View Full Version : Re:C-BABE'S ABORTION CHALLENGE
Satan
01-21-2003, 01:15 PM
Are you talking to yourself now, Yukon? ::)
Are you talking to yourself now?
No kiding, "hello Sybil"
Satan
01-21-2003, 02:06 PM
OK, that's better.
Oh, good God. You mean there's something we actually agree on? ::)
OK, that's better.
Oh, good God. You mean there's something we actually agree on? ::)
oh Sky, you know how much I luv ya! (Starlight I mean that in the "punch his shoulder buddy ole' pal kind of way)
I forgot to mention that YouCON habitually plagiarises
The above piece has been stolen from HERE (http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/civilize.html)
This is a nasty habit of his (one of the few that does not involve farm animals) that regularly gets him banned from message boards with any respect for copyright laws.
tileman
01-21-2003, 05:22 PM
I forgot to mention that YouCON habitually plagiarises
The above piece has been stolen from HERE (http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/civilize.html)
This is a nasty habit of his (one of the few that does not involve farm animals) that regularly gets him banned from message boards with any respect for copyright laws.
I knew that was too well written to be his.... ;D
The Guardian is gonna want to talk to that boy..
I forgot to mention that YouCON habitually plagiarises
The above piece has been stolen from HERE (http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/civilize.html)
This is a nasty habit of his (one of the few that does not involve farm animals) that regularly gets him banned from message boards with any respect for copyright laws.
I knew that was too well written to be his.... ;D
The Guardian is gonna want to talk to that boy..
Yes, allow it to be a GIVEN that ANYTHING he writes articulately.......... is stolen
::)
http://www.cyberkook.com/forums/uploads/av-3.jpg
Geez, she really is a babe.
If that's really her...
No, that's my evil twin.
I'm the pretty one.
;D
Thank you for the compliment, my man will be happy to know he scored a 'babe" ;)
So Yukon's a happy man then? ;D
Thems fight words, bro :o
All in fun.
Im glad.
Particularly since Yukon's affinity is for moose (or is it mooses ???)
C-Babe murdered her unborn baby when she was 19. She MUST pay for that crime, and she will. Her soul will burn in the everlasting pit of hell where there shall be weeping and knashing of teeth.
DAMN your SOUL you MURDEROUS WENCH !!!!!!!!!!
Her "accusation" is correct. On every board I have watched you ply your trade you have always plagerized.
Thou art the quintessential "no brainer".
ps - blowme all the way to kokomo
The C-Babe issues a challenge and than gets all pissed off when she can't provide rational response to arguement.
I'm sure she knows as well as I do that in your case, it's a complete waste of time. ;)
kathleen
01-21-2003, 08:55 PM
Her soul will burn in the everlasting pit of hell where there shall be weeping and knashing of teeth.
No she won't. She's repented of her sin and don't you know that makes everything OK?
It is now her job to condemn every other woman that finds themselves in the same situation that she was in when she was 19. What was good for her is not for them. ::)
Her soul will burn in the everlasting pit of hell where there shall be weeping and knashing of teeth.
No she won't. She's repented of her sin and don't you know that makes everything OK?
It is now her job to condemn every other woman that finds themselves in the same situation that she was in when she was 19. What was good for her is not for them. ::)
Your logic is flawed. It WASN'T good for her, but you seemed to have missed the obvious.
I will acknowledge YouCON's argument the moment he offers one.
Kathleen,
As ALS said.. It most certainly was not good for me.
In all honesty, at the time I considered what I was going thru nothing more than an inconvenience. Kind of like a toothache. I made the appointment with ease. my biggest concern at the time was overcoming my fear of the IV needle. I didn't consider what i was really doing for a moment.
I was numb and ignorant to reality.
I don't know you, Kathleen, but I will tell you that I respect your stance because i've been there, but with genuine sincerity I humbly suggest that you are simply numb to the bigger picture.
I had an abortion followed by 3 live births, 2 late term miscarriages (which one doctor attributed to my abortion) and one early miscarriage.
Have you ever seen a first or 2nd trimester baby outside of the womb? Let me tell you a little about it...
I miscarried at almost 18 weeks (17 wks +5days). The BABY was completely formed with no anomalies. SHE (Rose) was the size of a small doll. She had fingers, toes, eyes...etc. It's at this stage of development that many babies are aborted because it's at this stage that women get results of their AFPs (alphaFetalProtein). This test shows "POTENTIAL" abnormalites. This test is very often (undeniably) inaccurate. Anyway...back to my point. I lost my baby because my cervix was incompetent (from being pried open for an abortion). Other women specifically have babies that size yanked out because they MIGHT not be perfect. Many of these babies are delivered ALIVE. Let me also tell you that I worked in labor & delivery for over 6 years. I've assisted in hundreds of vaginal and surgical deliveries of babies. I've watched women go into premature labor at 18 weeks only to deliver a live baby that they had held till death. The last baby lived for 10 minutes outside it's mother's womb.
At 14 weeks the baby is smaller but still has all the qualities that most people consider a baby. It has a body, head, limbs, toes...etc.
At 9 weeks my daughter was able to respond to stimuli from within my womb. She too had..arms legs etc... all things attributable to a human baby.
I don't think i need argue with you how repulsive 3rd trimester abortion is.
When I became pregnant with my firstborn son and felt him move within me for the first time, the psychological anesthetic of my abortion wore off. The guilt and sorrow is indescribable. I have asked forgiveness but my guilt lives on. The baby I aborted was no less a baby than the 3 children I raise today.
Abortion is much more than a procedure. it's the stopping of a beating human heart. Nothing you label it can change it... not abortion, not D&C..nothing. It is the premeditated taking of life.
Now please feel free to tell me what part of the abortion argument I have not touched on and will be glad to do so.
LanceALott
01-22-2003, 07:12 AM
C-Babe, I have a message from God for you: you are forgiven. Go and sin no more, and stop punishing yourelf. Forgive yourself. It is over, make the best of it.
Be happy! Life is too long to live it punishing yourself.
Satan
01-22-2003, 07:27 AM
A message from God? I thought you were God. Make up your damned mind, will ya?
8)
The Guardian
01-22-2003, 07:33 AM
For publicly available copyrighted information, there is such a guideline known as "fair usage". This means that we can quote a lead-in to an article or work AS LONG AS the source is cited/linked. This is a more detailed post in the announcements forum, please read this if you are unclear on what I am talking about.
This is not a problem in debates or formal papers. And most reporters WANT US talking about their articles. They just want credit for them. (Note that under no circumstances should information from a pay-subscription site ever be posted. THAT is considered theft.)
Acknowledge your sources people, particularly if you get it elsewere. 8)
IM me if anyone is unclear.
C-Babe, I have a message from God for you: you are forgiven. Go and sin no more, and stop punishing yourelf. Forgive yourself. It is over, make the best of it.
Be happy! Life is too long to live it punishing yourself.
This I know.
As for punishing myself...
I don't really think I do. Guilt is natural & healthy.
I would rather feel pain than be numb as I was at 19.
Thank you for the kind advice.
Thanks Stevie
I love you too :-*
LanceALott
01-22-2003, 10:41 AM
Sky: A message from God? I thought you were God. Make up your damned mind, will ya?
LanceLott, AKA God: Well, I am God, but I've been trying to keep it a secret.
You see the last time I raised that dipshit Lazarus from the dead, he went around shooting off his mouth, telling everybody I was God, and the crooked priests got scared I was going to tell them to eat shit and put them out of a job so they got the whole Roman army to nail my butt to a Cross.
LanceALott
01-22-2003, 01:02 PM
Now that my secret is out, you just can't trust some guys to keep a secret (no girls can be trusted BTW), anyhow. Here it is:
The Gospel according to LanceALott
Okay, so now that you know I’m God, I might as well let you in on a few secrets of the universe, and correct a few things some of my old saints and prophets got wrong.
For instance, Moses must have been a little hard of hearing, ‘cause what I told him was “Thou shalt not ADMIT adultery.”
While we are on the topic of sex, abortion is not only wrong; it’s just plain stupid. I mean I gave you all many methods of birth control, so there should never be an unwanted pregnancy, except in cases of rape; and then you’ve got my permission, even my blessing, to terminate any pregnancy; and by the way, terminate the guys balls while you are at it. Don’t make it painless. Put them in a vice and slowly tighten it until they are mush.
And now that the damn Russians have invented the AIDS virus and released it on mankind, I think anyone that does not double up his birth control with a condom obviously has his head up his butt; and the head up the butt position is not one of the fun positions for sex I invented and gave you in the Karma Sutra.
And all the stupid sick control freak jerks that try to load people down with guilt so they can’t have any fun with sex, well, Jeez, you know, if I didn’t want it to be fun so you’d do it and populate the world, I could have made it hurt; but I didn’t. So go for it with a smile, and flip the bird at the guilt-mongers. I don’t know where those stupid fundamentalists got the idea that anything fun had to be sin. In the immortal words of Shaggy IT WASN'T ME!
And you know you humans have invented some ways to have fun I never thought of. I mean, I’d like that Monica gal to come show me her way and earn her Heavenly kneepads. Heck, I’d even return the favor, and I wouldn’t use a cigar.
Meshuga Mikey
01-22-2003, 01:54 PM
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Stevo is still miffed he lost the wet shorts contest at the Purple Piston Club last night, and the night before, and the night before, and the night before, and the night before, and the night before, and the night before, and the night before, and the night before, and the night before, and the night before, and the night before, and the night before, and the night before, ad nausaum and so forth.
How's that retarded grandchild of yours doing ?
Running out of playmates, are you? :)
Implantation.
Your turn, pud..
When does life begin?
LanceALott
01-22-2003, 04:29 PM
Life begins when you are sitting in the bar and she gets your attention from across the room, looks deep in your eyes, smiles, points her boobs at ya, and gives you a beaver shot.
Man, that's life.
BrandonL
01-22-2003, 06:03 PM
Implantation.
So, you don't have an issue with drugs that stop implantation, right?
ilovelucy
01-22-2003, 06:12 PM
Look.
Why don't we simply agree not to argue about abortion anymore.
There are such strong arguments for and against. I just fought with a 72 year-old nurse who is a friend of mine about the issue..She is pro.
We made our beds here in this country and so it stands legally. Those who feel strongly about a choice are not going to back down. Those who are against are fighting a brick wall...Because, there is an agenda stronger than we are(those opposed) which makes perfect rational sense given our current cultural beliefs....freedom to choose...
Freedom is a very valuable asset in a culture, as it is, and so many freedom-minded people will say that those who are against abortion are anti-freedom. I think you are right. We are against certain cultural freedoms if it comes down to killing the innocent.
But, then, one can argue, what about the freedom to do other things detrimental to one's health (well, abortion is detrimental to one's health for that matter, but...)
This is a no win situation.
We gave abortion a chance.
It is killing many babies of all shapes and sizes...
Ah, but freedom does get in the way..................
ilovelucy
01-22-2003, 06:17 PM
Iaminshockandcan'tget up...
Yukon, you actually said something positive about something I said?????
Iaminshockandcan'tget up...
Yukon, you actually said something positive about something I said?????
Of course. To him, you're saying pro-life advocates should accept the status quo.
ilovelucy
01-22-2003, 06:26 PM
Arod.
Is that what I am saying? Really? :)
Arod.
Is that what I am saying? Really? :)
It could easily be taken that way, and Yukon obviously did.
BrandonL
01-22-2003, 06:30 PM
Hey arod, check the spelling of "country" in your sig... 8)
back to the discussion....
ilovelucy
01-22-2003, 06:31 PM
There always remains the deadly sense of the ironic in all human life.....
Hey arod, check the spelling of "country" in your sig... 8)
Thanks, dude. ;)
Implantation.
So, you don't have an issue with drugs that stop implantation, right?
I have an issue with them. Just not the ones you think.
LanceALott
01-23-2003, 07:28 AM
Lucy: Why don't we simply agree not to argue about abortion anymore.
LL: Right. Stop arguing, and just agree with me!
BrandonL
01-23-2003, 07:48 AM
I have an issue with them. Just not the ones you think.
What are your issues with them? If they stop implantation-they aren't killing an unborn child, since (to you) life begins at implantation.
Or is it that you don't agree with the use of contraceptives?
I have an issue with them. Just not the ones you think.
What are your issues with them? If they stop implantation-they aren't killing an unborn child, since (to you) life begins at implantation.
Or is it that you don't agree with the use of contraceptives?
The effects of the drugs on the baby if it fails
BrandonL
01-23-2003, 02:57 PM
The effects of the drugs on the baby if it fails
So what do we do about people who take such drugs, or have abortions?
If you'd say jail them for murder-then, what next? Go after women who smoke or dink while pregnant? Women who don't follow a good diet while pregnant? Women who take illegal drugs while pregnant?
ilovelucy
01-23-2003, 03:14 PM
Pretty soon you'll just have to go after women who are pregnant....lock them up until the baby is born to insure they won't do anything suspicious....
I drank so much coca cola while I was pregnant I should have floated away. I CRAVED it, couldn;t get enough. ad to be straight from the can with a straw. Weird. SOmeone should have locked me up. :D
I never suggested outlawing the morning afterpill.
I just wouldn't encourage it's use.
Should it not work... that baby has then been introduced to massive quantities of dangerous hormones.
We're not talking about the subtle dangers of caffine.
I craved coke too.
and chocolate
and taco bell
Actually, during the second trimester of pregnancy, a lot of women crave sex.
I bet an ugly fat bitch like you craves the "real" thing 24-7 ?
hmm, still propositioning me Yukkie? I told you, I'm not into teenage bi-sexuals. I'm sure yahoo has a message board for people like you though.
BrandonL
01-24-2003, 02:13 PM
I bet an ugly fat bitch like you craves the "real" thing 24-7 ?
Yukon-she isn't fat, and she certainly isn't ugly. Just trying to insult for insult's sake?
I bet an ugly fat bitch like you craves the "real" thing 24-7 ?
Yukon-she isn't fat, and she certainly isn't ugly. Just trying to insult for insult's sake?
aww, thanks brandon. :D
Right Wing
01-24-2003, 09:00 PM
So what do we do about people who take such drugs, or have abortions?
If you'd say jail them for murder-then, what next? Go after women who smoke or dink while pregnant? Women who don't follow a good diet while pregnant? Women who take illegal drugs while pregnant?
I don't think any prolifer is advocating jailing women who have abortions. The whole theory behind outlawing abortion is to eliminate abortions. Why should the medical field, sworn to save lives, be used to take life?
tileman
01-24-2003, 09:22 PM
Yet "they'll" refuse to assist someone who's quality of life is such that they beg to die.........
Yet "they'll" refuse to assist someone who's quality of life is such that they beg to die.........
Some will, some won't, same with abortion.
Right Wing
01-24-2003, 09:29 PM
That is a different end of the life spectrum, but devalues life just the same. When have you ever heard a baby beg to die, by the way?
That is a different end of the life spectrum, but devalues life just the same. When have you ever heard a baby beg to die, by the way?
I never heard a baby beg to die, what's your point?
Have you ever heard an adult beg to die? I have.
Right Wing
01-25-2003, 03:15 AM
Well, I guess we could also turn this into a euthenasia thread. Afterall, both procedures involve the medical community being used to snuff out life.
For whatever reason you have heard an adult beg to die, I am sorry. I am sorry he or she felt they needed to die, I am sorry if they were in pain, and I am sorry you obviously were emotionally affected by it.
However, it is never the right thing to do to snuff out innocent human life. I know there are people foaming and warming up their keyboards, as they can't wait to respond with the typical, "What about war?" or "But you support the death penalty!" For those people, notice the key word being innocent.
The elderly and terminally ill still have life left in them, and the medical community should not be involved in ending that life, but finding cures so they will not be in pain. The baby should not have his or her life ended either.
The medical field is about saving lives not ending them.
RIGHT-WING wacko,
What about state sanctioned murder as a form of punishment.......do you support it ?
You mean abortion/baby slaughter?
no i don't
u?
so that's how u signal your boyfriend.... ;D
so that's how u signal your boyfriend.... ;D
Heh. You should see what he "packs" him for lunch in a prophylactic. :)
well we know it ain't sperm cuz he's hung like a squirrel, so it must be something related to bowel movements since that's all he talks about/does...
well we know it ain't sperm cuz he's hung like a squirrel, so it must be something related to bowel movements since that's all he talks about/does...
Last time we brought up felching a month or so back, we almost gave the entire board of EZ a collective heart attack.
Right Wing
01-26-2003, 12:46 AM
RIGHT-WING wacko,
What about state sanctioned murder as a form of punishment.......do you support it ?
I just looked up state sanctioned murder in the glossary of the liberal handbook. It is defined as the death penalty or capital punishment. I looked up capital punishment in Webster's dictionary and found the following:
a : punishable by death <a capital crime> b : involving execution <capital punishment> c : most serious
Take note the words execution and capital crime. Obviously, the offender is executed. The reason is due to the conviction of the offender for committing a capital crime.
Crime is defined as:
an act or the commission of an act that is forbidden or the omission of a duty that is commanded by a public law and that makes the offender liable to punishment by that law; especially : a gross violation of law
Notice that the offender is liable to punishment by that law. Therefore, if someone is convicted in a court of law for committing murder, then the death penalty is perfectly acceptable.
Let's take the common sense approach. Capital punishment creates a deterrence of commission of heinous crimes to include murder. It is also the only guarantee the offender will never committ murder again.
This sounds fair to would be future victims, as they will not be victims, at least not by this offender.
It is also fair for closure to the family of the victim, so they can begin their healing process of grieving.
Again, it all comes down to innocence. A person who committs a heinous crime is far different than a baby. The baby does not deserve to die.
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Right Wing
01-27-2003, 05:43 AM
ROTWANG,
I love the southern accent. Where are you from, Alabama?
kathleen
01-27-2003, 08:30 AM
Again, it all comes down to innocence. A person who committs a heinous crime is far different than a baby. The baby does not deserve to die.
How do you know you got the right guy?
Quite realistically, our current criminal justice system is not 100 percent foolproof. Mistakes happen, and innocent men are either imprisioned or executed unjustly. They deserve to die as much as the babies do.
Right Wing
01-27-2003, 09:02 AM
First, there is the burden of proof on the prosecution. A defendant never has to be found innocent, just not guilty. The defense has to raise the very slightest reasonable doubt and the defendant is not convicted.
It is difficult to convict someone who did committ the crime. Imagine how it would be with one who did not.
Second, the technology we have with evidence gathering and investigation. They can tell if blood had ever been on a wall, and cleaned up. They can tell, if a right or left handed person cleaned it. They can match a hair to someone. Fingerprints are accurate. Profiling has been effective and accurate. What about DNA? It is coutless times more accurate than a fingerprint.
Finally, evidence has to coincide with witnesses, testimony, motives, and everything else the investigation turns up. The prosecution has to use all of this to make a case. Then, when it all goes to trial they have to convince 12 people there is no reasonable doubt the defendant committed the crime.
Do you really think someone innocent could be prosecuted these days?
Yes right wing, innocents can be rail roaded by an over zealous prosecutor, or by a frenzy fed media.
Take the Laci Peterson case in the news lately. If this guy is innocent, it doesn;t matter, he's already been convicted by the media, and by the public.
Right Wing
01-27-2003, 09:19 AM
But not by the court system. The public and media cannot send him to prison or death row. Slander is a practice, which is wronng, but evident in our society. Unfortunately, it will always be there. However, it cannot prosecute anyone.
The overzealous prosecutor still has a case to prove. He still needs to convince a jury.
But not by the court system. The public and media cannot send him to prison or death row. Slander is a practice, which is wronng, but evident in our society. Unfortunately, it will always be there. However, it cannot prosecute anyone.
The overzealous prosecutor still has a case to prove. He still needs to convince a jury.
Most likely the entire jury has been watching the news coverage and has a idea about his guilt or innocence no matter what they say in voir doir.
kathleen
01-27-2003, 09:24 AM
Do you really think someone innocent could be prosecuted these days?
Do you actually believe that it never happens?
Right Wing
01-27-2003, 09:27 AM
The sreening process is very thorough to reduce the chances of prejudice or someone making a decisions ahead of time. The members of the jury still have to sit through the trial. They may hear something, which changes their mind from what the media led them to believe. Having to listen to the testimony and trial will be what is the most fresh in the juror's mind, and could still work out in favor of the defendant.
The sreening process is very thorough to reduce the chances of prejudice or someone making a decisions ahead of time. The members of the jury still have to sit through the trial. They may hear something, which changes their mind from what the media led them to believe. Having to listen to the testimony and trial will be what is the most fresh in the juror's mind, and could still work out in favor of the defendant.
Uh huh ::)
I concede that it doesn't happen often, but that doesn;t mean it doesn't happen.
Right Wing
01-27-2003, 09:36 AM
Do you really think someone innocent could be prosecuted these days?
Do you actually believe that it never happens?
Yes, in fact, the opposite senario occurs frequently. Our system was designed from the beginning to ensure even a guilty person would walk free before an innocent one would be convicted.
Look at O.J. In my opinion, he did it, and that was the most publicly displayed trial of our generation, Jeny. It was a media circus, and reasonable doubt was still raised. O.J. is free and even telling jokes about it.
kathleen
01-27-2003, 09:38 AM
I concede that it doesn't happen often, but that doesn;t mean it doesn't happen.
You see something Rightwing cannot.
What made you so smart? ;D
kathleen
01-27-2003, 09:47 AM
Yes, in fact, the opposite senario occurs frequently. Our system was designed from the beginning to ensure even a guilty person would walk free before an innocent one would be convicted.
While I agree that the collection of evidence has gotten better (I am fascinated by the merge of criminology and science), someone still has to interpret and judge the evidence.
Try as you might, you will never eliminate human bias, greed and stupidity from the justice system. As long as they exist, mistakes will happen.
Do you really think someone innocent could be prosecuted these days?
Do you actually believe that it never happens?
Yes, in fact, the opposite senario occurs frequently. Our system was designed from the beginning to ensure even a guilty person would walk free before an innocent one would be convicted.
Look at O.J. In my opinion, he did it, and that was the most publicly displayed trial of our generation, Jeny. It was a media circus, and reasonable doubt was still raised. O.J. is free and even telling jokes about it.
The OJ case is a perfect example of the way the media can affect the outcome of a trial.
Right Wing
01-28-2003, 08:15 AM
Yes, it is, and that is exactly my point. Even with the circus fiasco, a man who most likely committed double homicide (or at least conspiracy thereof) achieved reasonable doubt.
Now, back to the topic this thread is about. Since there has been an abundance of giving the defendant of a murder case the benefit of the doubt and concern over an execution of the innocent, could I expect you to also give the same to the unborn?
CBITCHjen is an admitted MURDERESS. She should at least be in prison for the rest of her natural life. In her case I would even suypport executing her by LETHAL INJECTION.
If abortion is MURDER than CBITCHjen is a MURDERESS and should be PUNISHED !
Right Wing
01-28-2003, 01:39 PM
Then, do we have on record that a liberal believes abortion is murder? Is that what you are saying? What a contradiction to the liberal mainstream.
By the way, there is something you would not understand. There is such thing as redemption. She made the wrong choice while young, yet now has used that to tell the horrors of abortion.
She has a prolife ministry. Who better to tell people how bad abortion is, than one who has personally experienced it and suffered from its badness?
A recovered drug addict makes a very good drug counselor, because he knows the badness of drugs, the goodness after recovery, and can relate to those he counsels.
I believe in abortion on demand. I am simply playing "devils advocate". Using the CBITCHjen's twisted logic she is in fact a MURDERESS and should be put to death. She wants to make the rules.......not me.
ilovelucy
01-29-2003, 01:01 PM
Yukon.
I rarely say this sort of thing to someone and I realize it is a bit unfair to say this now since the original YUKON will not have a chance to respond (although YUKONN can), but the fact is that devil's advocate or not, you are an incredibly insensitive and spiteful human being....
Yukon.
I rarely say this sort of thing to someone and I realize it is a bit unfair to say this now since the original YUKON will not have a chance to respond (although YUKONN can), but the fact is that devil's advocate or not, you are an incredibly insensitive and spiteful human being....
Im not........not at all.
ilovelucy
01-29-2003, 01:15 PM
If that is the case, then I would hope to see some proof.
By the way, do you write poetry?
LUCY,
You don't have the intellectual capacity to understand the proof that's available - you jusy keep watching Martha Stewart like a good girl.
ilovelucy
01-29-2003, 05:20 PM
I just love Martha Stewart. How did you know?
No, I am not the intellectual that many here are, but we all have different gifts.
tileman
01-29-2003, 10:56 PM
That is a different end of the life spectrum, but devalues life just the same. When have you ever heard a baby beg to die, by the way?
Since you recognize that I was talking about the other end of the life spectrum, your last question seems kind of dumb.
tileman
01-29-2003, 11:08 PM
Do you really think someone innocent could be prosecuted these days?
Wow...You've got to be in law enforcement and blowin' it out your ass........
Rampart
Or the outragious number of people that have been freed by dna testing (what of those with no dna evidence to prove their innocense?)
What a riduculous statement.
Right Wing
01-29-2003, 11:45 PM
Since you recognize that I was talking about the other end of the life spectrum, your last question seems kind of dumb.
Well, don't judge the question answer it! Given the context, it is obvious I was proving a point.
Right Wing
01-29-2003, 11:50 PM
what of those with no dna evidence to prove their innocense?
Everything these days has DNA involved, and we have the technology to recover and analize this evidence.
By the way, innocence does not need to be proven. Only a reasonable doubt has to be raised. The defense does not have the burden of proof. The prosecution has the burden of proof, while the defendant has the presumption of innocense. I thought we already discussed this on this forum.
Why did you change your nic from LipLocker to Right Wing ?
By the way, innocence does not need to be proven. Only a reasonable doubt has to be raised.
Indeed, that is the standard today. It is way too lax, IMO. No way in hell should a jury be able to send an innocent person to death and suffer no consequences, seeing how they have essentially done exactly what they have convicted the defendant of.
tileman
01-30-2003, 12:49 PM
what of those with no dna evidence to prove their innocense?
Everything these days has DNA involved, and we have the technology to recover and analize this evidence.
By the way, innocence does not need to be proven. Only a reasonable doubt has to be raised. The defense does not have the burden of proof. The prosecution has the burden of proof, while the defendant has the presumption of innocense. I thought we already discussed this on this forum.
Here's (http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/Innocentlist.html) a list of 103 inmates that had to prove their innocense to get off death row alone. What do you think that translates out to in the general population and lifers? Thousands wrongly convicted.....maybe tens of thousands? Regardless, it's a far cry from none.
Whether you already discussed it or not, I just saw your dumbass claim and had to address it as being bullshit.
The DEATH Penalty is nothing more than state sanctioned murder.
The DEATH Penalty is nothing more than state sanctioned murder.
Hey warthog, go out and get in your car and get it up to 100 mph and aim it into a tree. I know deep in your heart you want to help mankind and that would be a step in the right direction. ;)
Right Wing
01-30-2003, 03:06 PM
Tileman, now that we have even more technology at our disposal to insure the innocent are not convicted (DNA), this shouldn't be a problem anymore then right?
Yukonn, I could only hope you liberals someday will show the same compassion and concern for the victim and victim's family as you do for the offender of a heinous crime. Or maybe show a tenth of the compassion you have for a convict toward the unborn.
You people act like Adolf Hitler when it comes to unborn babies, then have the compassion of Mother Theresa when it comes to some shred of debris who killed someone.
Hitler opposed abortion for women carrying pure Aryan fetal tissue - all other fetal tissue was seen as less than human therefor disposable.
BrandonL
01-31-2003, 06:42 AM
You people act like Adolf Hitler when it comes to unborn babies, then have the compassion of Mother Theresa when it comes to some shred of debris who killed someone.
It could be argued that criminals are already established in the community (be it good or bad), and unborn babies are just that-unborn. Most people are going to side with taking care of what we have, not what we don't have (yet).
You people act like Adolf Hitler when it comes to unborn babies, then have the compassion of Mother Theresa when it comes to some shred of debris who killed someone.
It could be argued that criminals are already established in the community (be it good or bad), and unborn babies are just that-unborn. Most people are going to side with taking care of what we have, not what we don't have (yet).
Like, no shit BRAINDEAD............
BrandonL
01-31-2003, 06:54 AM
Like, no shit BRAINDEAD............
I can't figure out if you are agreeing with me or not...obviously not, with the insult tacked at the end. ::)
I'm agreeing with you.......you said nothing new.
tileman
01-31-2003, 10:30 AM
Tileman, now that we have even more technology at our disposal to insure the innocent are not convicted (DNA), this shouldn't be a problem anymore then right?
Where the hell did you get the idea that there is dna evidence at every crime or that it's even looked for? (Or that it can't be planted for that matter.)
Tileman, now that we have even more technology at our disposal to insure the innocent are not convicted (DNA), this shouldn't be a problem anymore then right?
Where the hell did you get the idea that there is dna evidence at every crime or that it's even looked for? (Or that it can't be planted for that matter.)
What the fuck does this have to do with CBITCHjen's Abortion Challenge? For christ sake why don't you two stupid cunts get back on topic ?
kathleen
01-31-2003, 10:40 AM
Where the hell did you get the idea that there is dna evidence at every crime or that it's even looked for? (Or that it can't be planted for that matter.)
Mistakes happen, even with our advanced investigative techniques.
I don't know anyone else who will state otherwise.
tileman
01-31-2003, 12:18 PM
Where the hell did you get the idea that there is dna evidence at every crime or that it's even looked for? (Or that it can't be planted for that matter.)
Mistakes happen, even with our advanced investigative techniques.
I don't know anyone else who will state otherwise.
Right Wing doesn't seem to think so.
Well if Yukon and I ever met, there would be DNA evidence everywhere. ;D
Well if Yukon and I ever met, there would be DNA evidence everywhere. ;D
Now you're threatening me you little cocksucker ?
Well if Yukon and I ever met, there would be DNA evidence everywhere. ;D
Now you're threatening me you little cocksucker ?
I'll meet you in Detroit you little prick, leave your sheep at home. What color is your bike?
tileman
01-31-2003, 12:32 PM
Well if Yukon and I ever met, there would be DNA evidence everywhere. ;D
Now you're threatening me you little cocksucker ?
I'll meet you in Detroit you little prick, leave your sheep at home. What color is your bike?
;D Cool a fight.........
LONESTINK,
Detroit, whatever, you're still nothing but a fucking cocksucker !
BrandonL
01-31-2003, 01:12 PM
fucking cocksucker !
Aren't those two different things? Either you are fucking-or you are sucking cock. Take your pick.
Unless, of course-Yukonn is into more than one guy at once.
LONESTINK can suck a Negro cock and fuck his chink buddy up the ass at the same time.
BrandonL
01-31-2003, 01:23 PM
LONESTINK can suck a Negro cock and fuck his chink buddy up the ass at the same time.
Yukonn's fantasy-on display for all to see.
tileman
01-31-2003, 01:29 PM
This isn't the inferno yukon/n. Be cool before you're using 3 n's asshole.....
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