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NorNec
08-06-2004, 06:42 AM
Its for outside and I am torn between a used one or new...

Any of you have a hot tub? Costs? monthly heating bills?

2cent
08-06-2004, 09:01 AM
Wish I could help you out. I'm in the same boat, so I hope you get some replies. :)

WCP
08-06-2004, 09:17 AM
NorNec, I know all of the answers to your questions as I have had both gas and electric Jacuzzis...but because you are a prick, I won't share that information with you. ;D

I will with .02, though, if she wants me to via IM. :-*

jeny
08-06-2004, 10:27 AM
ROFL!!!!!

I-RIGHT-I
08-06-2004, 07:04 PM
Its for outside and I am torn between a used one or new...

Any of you have a hot tub? Costs? monthly heating bills?


You should do your own research on costs. I've never had one but I know people who do and was present when they bought. They are expensive, costly to operate and tend to become more of a bother and a passing fancy than something to enjoy for a long time. If you live in the North it's going to be expensive to operate. If you live in the south there's only going to be a few weeks out of the year when you can stand the heat.

The only reason I'd consider one is because I abused my body in my contact sports days and have a few aches and pains a hot bathtub just doesn't handle anymore. But still I think a good club with the sauna and hot tubs is a better choice for the money.

jeny
08-06-2004, 08:06 PM
Nornec, I would wait until all your kids are old enough to get in it. The temperature of a hot tub is too high for toddlers and pre-schoolers and you will be listening to unending crys of, "NOT FAIR!" when some of the kids can use it and others can't. ;D

On the other hand, you could ban ALL the kids from use of the hot tub and enjoy it with your wife after bedtime. My mom and Dad have one and they use it every single night.

LanceALott
08-07-2004, 11:51 AM
I have had a hot tub out in my back yard for several years now. -- Enjoy the heck out of it, even in those cold winters, unless the wind is blowing. -- I've been in the tub in sub zero weather during snow storms, and it's fun; but you tend to grab your bath robe real quick when you get out.

As for cost, I would guess it costs me less than fifty a month.; but I've got a nice insulated top.

My total bill for 05/08 - 06/06 was $110.19; but I have an all electric home, electric heat, water heater, stoves, AC, etc. -- I used 1953 KWH that month, so that comes out about 5.6 cents per KWH; and that varies considerably depending on where you live and who provides the electricity.

BTW, that is a six man, 600 gal tub.

WCP
08-07-2004, 11:54 AM
Nornec, I would wait until all your kids are old enough to get in it. The temperature of a hot tub is too high for toddlers and pre-schoolers and you will be listening to unending crys of, "NOT FAIR!" when some of the kids can use it and others can't. ;D

On the other hand, you could ban ALL the kids from use of the hot tub and enjoy it with your wife after bedtime. My mom and Dad have one and they use it every single night.


I just use the Jacuzzi here when I'm too lazy to take a shower and my ass itches. I'm sure I'm not alone in that.

You have to be careful of Jacuzzi Hot Tub Gonorrhea. You know you have it if it feels like you're passing a bent sardine can lid.

Unca Walt
08-07-2004, 02:45 PM
It is time fer Unca to step in with Dutch Unca advice...

The Fabled PC and Your Humble Obdn't &tc were having our dream house built four years ago.

We wanted a spa. Sooo... bein' Dutch as can be, I did a LOT of research. I checked monthly costs, I checked warranties, I checked maintenance requirements and energy requirements. Initial vs long-term costs.

We gots TONS of data. Here is what washed out:

1. Get a "chemical free" spa. There are scare quotes around that, 'cause it IS necessary for us to put two tablespoons of Bicarbonate of soda in our spa once a week. What keeps it from gittin' yikkyyukky? There is a "silver anode" type of spa on the market now. It runs silver ions up into the water 24/7. You have to replace the source thingy oncet a year or so. (When it stops bubbling.) NO CHLORINE. Lemme say thet agin, chillun: NO FARGIN CHLORINE.

2. Get a COMPLETELY INSULATED spa. The sumbitch, if'n you lift it up, is SOLID, not hollow underneath. This does a LOTSA things: saves energy up the wazoo. Keeps bugs and creepies from living under there, 'cause there AIN'T no "under there"

3. Get a spa that automatically -- no extra charge -- comes with a TEN YEAR WARRANTY. These can only be acquired with high quality spas (duh. Wonder why???)

4. Electricity. Forget gas.

5. Get a REALLY GOOD, piston-augmented thick spa cover. This will pay for itself in no time. Piston-augmented means just that... The Fabled PC can lift up the humongous cover on our spa with her dainty li'l weak fingies.

6. Essentially, the bigger the spa (this is a fairly good rule), the better you will like it.

7. Get one with a built-in soft headrest. Trust yer Unca on this one.

DO NOT GET A SECOND HAND SPA! I went that route. After I finish this epistle, I will append one of my humor articles. The spa in the humor article was EVERYTHING items 1 through 7... wasn't. Except that it was electric, and THAT blew up.

Be prepared to spend the dough... INITIAL LAYOUT ONLY heavy up front. Wazzat mean? It means the cheapest spas (long term) are more expensive to buy.

But if you look at, say, five-year cost... a $2500 spa will have cost you $15,000, and a $7500 spa will have cost you $8500 at the end of five years. And, at the end of five years, you have a spa (the initially "expensive" one) which is essentially NEW still only HALFWAY THROUGH WARRANTY!!!, and cheaper by the day in actual cost.

Your $2500 spa will be a freakin' wreck, no warranty, and it will cost a fortune to keep running, and it will look and work like shit.

There It Is.

Spend about $7500, or DON'T GET ANY SPA, 'CAUSE YOU AIN'T READY FOR A SPA YET.

"Cheap" does NOT equal "Inexpensive".

Dutch Unca Walt

Now for the article:

Beware Of Neighbors Bearing Hot Tubs


c Walt C. Snedeker


There are some Basic Laws of Nature that are hidden silently in the bushes, ready to pounce like cats on unwary folks. Like those kitty-poos, these Laws are not at all obvious. They have to be discovered by painful experience.

As a service to Humanitude, I'm going to spread the word on a particularly dangerous BLON (Basic Law Of Nature) lurking in the bushes of life.

It goes thisaway: If you come across a neighbor who offers you a hot tub ("spa" to you yuppie-types) free-fer-nuthin', RUN AWAY!! Go get some garlic and wear it around your neck. Develop a sudden interest in bungee-jumping, sky-diving, or some other far safer endeavor.

For it is a truth that when a hot tub comes your way "free", you're about to take a bath.

This harsh lesson began for me while I was helping Ken Twaddell as he labored on his wooden deck. It already covered the better part of an acre, but Ken was determined to "round it out" a little. My help was crucial as I was supplying him with an unending stream of sage advice for which wondrous help I did not charge a penny. I was being careful to explain to him where he was going wrong, and what he should do next, etc., etc.,

I could tell Ken appreciated my efforts, as he would stop work every now and then, and sort of stand stock still, with his eyes squeezed shut. He was obviously ruminating on various important points that I had made. It's good to feel appreciated.

And then it happened.

I had just asked Ken what the big hole in the deck over there was for. He mumbled something about conversation pit (at first I thought he said snake pit). And then he continued.

"Yeah, Walt, the hot tub used to go in there. That's it over there by the edge of the lawn."

There was a sudden, furtive gleam in his eye (the good one, not the one he keeps in a jar at night). He looked back and forth at the tub and me.

"Say, would you like a hot tub for free?" His face had a haunted look -- almost pleading; it was very strange.

"All you have to do is get the boys to carry it over to your place and hook it up."

Innocent that I was, my larcenous heart leapt at the thought of getting this neato thing gratis.

"Gee, thanks, ole buddy! I'll get the boys and haul it right outa here!" O, more fool, I! I could hear a cello somewhere playing two notes: da-DUM... da-DUM... , the theme from "Jaws". But I ignored it.

When my two fine sons, Scooter and Pucky went to pick it up, they pointed out to me that first we really should empty it. There was about eighteen inches of gummy liquid in it, composed of rainwater, lawn clippings, and small, green, unidentifiable reptiles. Much of the gummy stuff had migrated into those little holes they put in hot tub bottoms to blow cold bubbles. I could see I'd had a tough time cleaning them out, but oh, tra-la.

The sides were a little slimy. This caused a mild mishap as we carried the tub across the street and up my driveway: when it finally slipped, it took a pretty fair amount of paint off of my new car. The dent wasn't that bad, though. We got it hammered out a few months later. Overall, it only set me back $600. And another $600 for the paint job.

The real problem arose when we tried to get the hot tub into the screened pool enclosure. One of the panes of glass on the door got busted before we broke down and admitted that the doorway was too small. It wasn't until later that I found out you must buy a whole new door -- there's no way to replace the window panes. What a pain.

So we took out a section of screen. It was easy to choose which section... we took the one that we ripped when we staggered back from breaking the door. There's no way anyone could tell me that you can't get screen material (although the Fabled PC said that now I'd have to replace all of the 36 panels, because the colors no longer matched). Wow! That stuff comes dear; I found out later I was down another $600, I should have caught the significance of the 6-6-6, but since that information came later, I innocently pushed on.

Now the hot tub was in the screened porch. Unfortunately, the Fabled PC said that it was too big, and we would have to extend the porch. Which means we retained the Fools R Us contracting company to have a new slab poured. And to have a new screen enclosure addition built on. And the gutter system now had to be routed out over the screened area, which resulted in the fact that the roof began to leak. And the 220-volt separate electrical system had to be installed (along with the new junction box on the side of the house). And the hot tub heater/pump had to be replaced. Ken was honest about that; he had told me that it was no good.

And then it got really bad.

The bedroom wall got knocked out, to be replaced with sliding glass doors. This meant new wall-to-wall carpeting in the bedroom, as the old carpet was somewhat crusty with the concrete poured on it by Fools R Us.

But the day came when we climbed in the hot tub, wineglasses in hand, to savor the luxury. The moment lasted for at least two minutes. That was how long it took me to realize that the 15 thousand dollar mortgage extension I'd gotten was entirely spent.

Ken stays away a lot, now.

jeny
08-08-2004, 01:14 AM
I just use the Jacuzzi here when I'm too lazy to take a shower and my ass itches. I'm sure I'm not alone in that.

You have to be careful of Jacuzzi Hot Tub Gonorrhea. You know you have it if it feels like you're passing a bent sardine can lid.


Best reason in the World to have one in your own backyard. I'm quite sure there ain't nothin' my dad's got that my mom ain't got by now, and vice versa. ;)

2cent
08-08-2004, 07:19 AM
Best reason in the World to have one in your own backyard. I'm quite sure there ain't nothin' my dad's got that my mom ain't got by now, and vice versa. ;)


[Bad, you are sooo bad. ;D. But feel free to IM me, if you like.]

Here's one in a backyard that I don't quite get. As y'all know, we work in a subdivision; the type of neighborhood where your backyard practically IS the next guy's back yard.
Anyway, the super bought a place there, and has his hot tub in his backyard...in view of the entire neighborhood. I mean, we're talking no privacy lattice or anything. Why not just put your private life on 'real t.v.'?
I think that's odd. Then again, I'm not the type who could live in an area like that to begin with.

jeny
08-09-2004, 09:01 AM
Well 2cent, <blush> I am NOT thinking of what my mom and dad might DO in that hot tub <barf> just commenting on badnew's disease comments. ;D

As for privacy, they've got all kind of lattice and vines and stuff. Again, I do NOT want to know why. 8)

2cent
08-09-2004, 09:48 AM
Shoot, Jeny, this guy is single. I wasn't even going beyond stepping in. Personally, I could not relax doing nothing but trying to relax and maybe stare at the stars. Wouldn't happen in front of the entire neighborhood.
(Btw, I knew you weren't going there. Neither would/could I. ;) )

jeny
08-09-2004, 09:57 AM
Shoot, Jeny, this guy is single. I wasn't even going beyond stepping in. Personally, I could not relax doing nothing but trying to relax and maybe stare at the stars. Wouldn't happen in front of the entire neighborhood.
(Btw, I knew you weren't going there. Neither would/could I. ;) )


I know what you mean. We have the patio furniture arranged in such a way so the neighbors can't even watch us eat dinner. :D I like my neighbors, and I also like my privacy.

ilovelucy
08-09-2004, 10:02 AM
My nearest neighbor is two acres away, and I still wouldn't want a hot tub.....yuck.

I guess it is the thought of it that irks me. I don't want to see my neighbors doing anything.....I am spoiled this way. No curtains except for the rooms that get intense sunlight.

Tiger
08-09-2004, 05:09 PM
Lucky you, Sock, we get ripped on electricty. I try to conserve and still rarely make it under 300 a month. And I have propane, too.

I don't have an outside hot tub, we have considered on - and may get one in the next house - but I am not sure I would use it that much. I have a personal Jacuzzi in my master bath and I use it some in the winter - but it takes a shit load of water to fill it - so by the time I get it all ready - I feel like I need to spend about an hour listening to my music and relaxing. Gee, that's horrid. ;)

But, I have heard and I would really like to know if anyone has any info on this:

Is it possible to reduce your meter readout by using magnets or placing bags of sand on the top of the meter?

Not that I would do that - but I want to know. I was told it would work. Around here - if I got caught - they would likely cut all power to my house. Assholes.

We had to get an attorney just to be able to trench in our electric lines. The 'farmer mentality' here puts the damn things up like chopsticks. They totally destroy the look of the land. Anyway - I sometimes wonder if the electric company isnt' punishing me for not going along with what they wanted to do. You would think we were doing them a favor - paying for that, since the rest of their damn lines go down in just about every storm. grrrr.....

Anyway - how do you like your hot tub?

I really want a dry sauna. If I could have my pick - that would be what I would choose.

I won't sit in public tubs - I swear to God - I once saw a yellow-spreading cloud coming from an old fart in the tub. Bleech. No can do.

LanceALott
08-09-2004, 05:29 PM
I love my tub.

Our home is on a one acre lot, surrounded by a twenty foot tall elm hedge; and I planted over a hundred trees and who knows how many bushes. You can't see my home from the road anymore; and in my patio area, you can only see the top of the home of the nieghbor on the hill, about a quarter of a mile away.


The patio, red wood deck that surrounds the tub on two sides is surrounded by a honysuckle hedge, and just outside that is a caraganna hedge that surrounds the west and south side of the lot. Both six to ten feet tall.

I have a twleve feet tall garden shed to the north of the tub that blocks the wind and the view of neighbors. To the east is a 20 foot tall Colorado blue spruce and a red maple tree.

Further To the east, my neighbor put in a ten foot tall lilac hedge bewteen our lots; and I could juump in my tub naked, and no one would know; and it's none of your business if I have, unless you want to join me.


As for catching STDs in a hot tub, that depends on what you are doing in the tub, and who you are doing it with..

Tiger
08-09-2004, 05:35 PM
LAL - Your tub and setting sound divine. I, too, get spoiled by the lack of watchful eyes. My nearest neighbor is about a half mile, little less, and we have an alarm on the drive - at the entrance - which is approximately a half mile off the side road, so we are alerted to anyone coming. I tend to run around in just about anything, or nothing, if I so desire.

;)

NorNec
08-09-2004, 05:53 PM
Ours is in an patio enclosure so no one can see us relaxing in the tub watching the stars we have more privacy than our big fat assed neighbors who have the pool behind us. YUK talk about fat people ewwwwwwwww. He looks just like fat bastard in the movie Austin Powers.



Geeeez's you are a bit Judgemental... :o

NorNec
08-09-2004, 05:54 PM
LAL - Your tub and setting sound divine. I, too, get spoiled by the lack of watchful eyes. My nearest neighbor is about a half mile, little less, and we have an alarm on the drive - at the entrance - which is approximately a half mile off the side road, so we are alerted to anyone coming. I tend to run around in just about anything, or nothing, if I so desire.

;)



I know ;) I was wondering about an alarm...NOT ANYMORE ;D

Unca Walt
08-09-2004, 06:54 PM
The Fabled PC and Your Humble Obdn't &tc just got OUT of our spa.

We kin go in nekkidy 'cause the neighbors are so far away, and the spa is screened.

Loverly.

Unca Walt

ponygurl
08-10-2004, 08:51 AM
Speaking of privacy fences..
I am like Luce.. no curtains.. we have hedges blocking everything except the view to the bathroom window..
Me and the neighbours kind of have a pact.. since we can both see into each other's bathrooms.. let's just not look. ;D
I was thinking yesterday though.. my spruce trees are now large enough that I cannot see thier kitchen anymore.. I'm thinking I'll extend the line of spruces so that I cannot see any of their house. Fast growing trees, and I really love them.

MADG
08-15-2004, 07:28 PM
Its for outside and I am torn between a used one or new...

Any of you have a hot tub? Costs? monthly heating bills?



Get the biggest and most well-equipped hot tub that you can afford… ”Budget the luxuries first.”


Go to a “home improvement” convention. Find someone willing to “kick one off a truck” for you…

… then hire someone else to install it.

Heck… hire someone else to take care of it, if you can.


(400 gallons should seat ten… just not too often…)


You should set it up in such a way that it’s private… yet open to the night sky…

Never mind the underwater lights… never mind the outdoor stereo… go for the powerful pumps…

… (yet nobody should be able to tell when you’re straddling a stream of bubbles…)


Mind the cover… don’t try to open it if it’s snow-covered… it’s essentially Styrofoam…

You might have to fence it in… check your local ordinances…

Oh yeah… this is VERY IMPORTANT!!!


Invest in a cheap kitchen timer… something that will RING after 45-60 minutes… and won’t get bollixed by falling in the water…

… and LIVE by it.

No matter how relaxed you feel… (especially if something other than hot water is MAKING you feel relaxed)… you have to GET OUT after a relatively short period of time…


Don’t screw around with this… it feels wonderful… but it’s also a responsibility…

I-RIGHT-I
08-16-2004, 05:57 PM
I love my tub.

As for catching STDs in a hot tub, that depends on what you are doing in the tub, and who you are doing it with..


You oughta know.

http://www.dailyprobe.com/arcs/021902/asm2.jpg

2cent
08-16-2004, 09:39 PM
Lucky you, Sock, we get ripped on electricty. I try to conserve and still rarely make it under 300 a month. And I have propane, too.

Say what???!!! I know the area you live in... a little bit, anyway, I think. My husband grew up in Inman, between McPerson and Hutch. I don't recall his relatives complaining of THAT high an electric bill. (We are ALL electric here in AR, and our electric bill has NEVER been over $150 - closer to $100 over the last 4 years or so. Something's wrong there, I should think.)

But, I have heard and I would really like to know if anyone has any info on this:
Is it possible to reduce your meter readout by using magnets or placing bags of sand on the top of the meter?

Not that I would do that - but I want to know. I was told it would work. Around here - if I got caught - they would likely cut all power to my house. Assholes

Just what makes them "assholes"? Plum rotten of them to get annoyed with a trivial thing like customers stealing from them.
Yes, it is possible, and it does work. You will also be charged with a crime if caught doing it, and the electric company will (rightfully) charge you a phenomenal deposit fee to get it turned back on. I wouldn't suggest it. Our neighbors got caught doing that. [note that I said 'neighbors', not 'friends'.]


We had to get an attorney just to be able to trench in our electric lines. The 'farmer mentality' here puts the damn things up like chopsticks. They totally destroy the look of the land. Anyway - I sometimes wonder if the electric company isnt' punishing me for not going along with what they wanted to do. You would think we were doing them a favor - paying for that, since the rest of their damn lines go down in just about every storm. grrrr.....


I don't get what you're getting at here. You mean they wanted to put up utility poles, and you preferred to have your lines buried? And then you PAYED for it YOURSELVES? I'd think they'd be kissing the ground you walked on; not the other way around.

the bib
08-16-2004, 11:09 PM
I don;t want a hot tub.

I have a Jacuzzi.

Never use it.

Unca Walt
08-17-2004, 07:16 AM
Tiger:

"Is it possible to reduce your meter readout by using magnets or placing bags of sand on the top of the meter?"

"And the answer IS: ...........No."

Your electric meter is a very simple thingummy. And being very simple, there is only one way to beat it.

Uh-ohhh... Unca Waltie is gonna go the "blow the pond all to hell" route agin, I kin tell...

Your meter is jus' a simple electric motor that is speed-governed by the voltage drop on a sealed VLVPR (Very Low Value Precision Resistor). ALLA them electrons whut zips inter yer housie HAVE to go through this resistor. This causes a voltage drop which varies, depending on just perzackly HOW MANY of them there electrons go zipping through. This makes that motor go faster or slower (visible by that flat turny plate), and that counts your electrons.

Since it is a sealed unit, you can't get yer fingies onnit. (Note: KerryALott has a fantasy; file it with his others. I won't even mention it here.)

Doesn't mean you cannot beat that little motor, though. You can run a shunt around the meter... Just a great big, thick, heavy, monstrous piece of wire.

BIIIIG Problem: The power companies thought of this around 1915 or so. They are ahead of you on the curve. If you run a shunt, it will be "visible" two ways:

1. It is a big wire, and you gotta CUT the source wire. This cannot be hidden. Cut = Caught.

2. The usage fluctuation will "flag" a computer, and we go immelialy to Step 1.

Result: The three or four people who tried this out of the 300 MILLION that have electricity have all been caught. Immediately. Providing they din' git kilt actually doin' it.

Unca Waltie respectfully suggests: It is easier, safer, less trouble, and more productive to just go rob a friggin' bank. Trust me.

Unca Walt

LATE PS: AHA!! I WROTE AN ARTICLE ABOUT THIS!!!

The History Of Electricity
(The Shocking Truth Revealed!)
c Walt C. Snedeker


Today's scientific question is: What in the world is electricity? And where does it go when it leaves the toaster?

Well, that's really two questions, but let's be scientifical and say it's just one big one.

Here is a simple experiment that will teach you an important electrical lesson: On a cool, dry day, scuff your feet along a carpet, then reach into a friend's mouth and touch one of his fillings. Did you notice how your friend twitched violently and cried out in pain? This teaches us that electricity can be a very powerful force, but we must never use it to hurt others unless we need to learn an important electrical lesson.

It also teaches us how an electrical circuit works. When you scuffed your feet, you picked up small batches of "electrons", which are very small objects that carpet manufacturers weave into carpets so they will attract dirt. (That will cause the carpet to wear out faster so you will need to buy a new one sooner, but that's another story.) the electrons travel through your bloodstream and collect in your finger, where they form a spark that leaps to your friend's filling, then travels down to his feet and back into the carpet, thus completing the circuit.

Amazing Electronic Fact: If you scuffed your feet long enough without touching anything, you would build up so many electrons that your finger would explode! But this is nothing to worry about unless you have carpeting.

Although we modern persons tend to take our electric lights, radios, mixers, etc. for granted, hundreds of years ago people did not have any of these things, which is just as well because there was no place to plug them in. Then came along the first Electrical Pioneer, Benjamin Franklin. Ben flew a kite in a lightning storm and received a serious electrical shock. This proved that lightning was powered by the same force as carpets, but it also damaged old Ben's brain so badly that he started speaking in maxims, such as "a penny saved is a penny earned". (Eventually, he got so bad he had to be given a job running the Post Office, but that's also another story.)

Now, after Franklin came a whole herd of Electrical Pioneers whose names have become part of our electrical terminology: Myron Volt, Mary Louise Amp, James Watt, Bob Transformer, etc.. These pioneers conducted many important electrical experiments. For example, in 1780, Luigi Galvani (this is the truth by the way) discovered when he attached two different kinds of metal to the leg of a frog, an electrical current developed, and the frog's leg kicked, even though it was no longer attached to the frog, which was dead anyway. Galvani's discovery led to enormous advances in the field of amphibian medicine. Today, skilled veterinary surgeons can take a frog that has been seriously injured or killed, implant pieces of metal in its muscles, and watch it hop back into the pond just like a normal frog, except for the fact that it sinks like a stone (they're still working on that).

But the greatest Electrical Pioneer of them all was Thomas Edison, who was a brilliant inventor despite the fact that he had little formal training and lived in New Jersey. Edison's first major invention, in 1877, was the phonograph, which could be found in thousands of homes, where it basically sat until 1923 when the record was invented. But Edison's greatest achievement came in 1879, when he invented the Electric Company. Edison's design was a brilliant adaptation of the simple electric circuit: The Electric Company sends electricity through a wire to a customer, then immediately gets the electricity back through another wire. Then (this is the brilliant part) sends it right back to the customer again.

This means the Electric Company can sell a customer the same batch of electricity thousands of times a day and never get caught, since very few customers take the time to examine their electricity closely. In fact, the last year any new electricity was generated was in 1937; the Electric Companies have merely been re-selling it ever since, which is why they have so much free time to apply for rate increases.

Today, thanks to men like Edison and Franklin, and frogs like Galvani's, we receive unlimited benefits from electricity. For example, in the past decade, scientists have developed the laser, an electronic appliance so powerful that it can vaporize a bulldozer 2,000 yards away, yet so precise that doctors can use it to perform delicate operations on the human eye, provided they remember to change the power setting from "Vaporize Bulldozer" to "Delicate".

the bib
08-17-2004, 04:59 PM
You take a shower tho right? :o


Every day! ;)

(And I wash everything! ;D )

the bib
08-18-2004, 12:07 AM
Well Bib as much as we agree on things you are a shower person and I am a bath person...I guess us Scorpios can be different! :)


I can't sit still and do nothing too long.

I miss my pool. I'd go out in the middle of a summer night (kept it warm like bath water) and just laze away and commune w/ nature, the stars, the black sky (the bats :o ).

But sitting doing nothing has no appeal.

I have a hard time sitting still for a hair cut ... have never had a professional manicure or pedicure in my life. Just not that vain OR PATIENT.

NorNec
08-20-2004, 08:33 AM
I hate you all....Now my kids have nothing...

wellkeptsecrets
08-20-2004, 11:22 AM
I hate you all....Now my kids have nothing...


Get a swimming pool for the poor things.