Regarding the use of members' real names

[Satan]

I find it absolutely RIDICULOUS that I even have to SAY this, much less make it a 'rule'. ::)

BUT...

There will henceforth be a new RULE enforced:

Thou shalt NOT use the familiar (given) name of any other poster when posting messages on this board (unless their username is their given name). Ever. Period.

Some of us know each other quite well. Privately, I'd give most of you my full name, home address and phone number if you asked. But there are always 'Guests' about, and there are some who've visited us that I don't even want knowing my first name.

If you want everyone to call you by your real name, change your 'displayed name' to reflect it, and we will. But unless someone else has done that, we must assume that their reason for NOT doing so is quite simple: THEY DON'T WANT STRANGERS TO KNOW IT.

Amnesty (for prior actions) is granted to everyone who has previously engaged in this practice, just so I don't have to hear all about 'who started what', 'who does it more', etc. It doesn't matter. Water under the bridge, and all that.

But from now on, the first offense will be punishable by a two-week suspension of posting priviledges; and the second offense by permanent banishment. A word to the wise (and two weeks off. if necessary) should be sufficient.

[WCP]

Yeah, well, if there was a Kenneth on this board.... ::)

[the bib]

Yeah, well, if there was a Kenneth on this board.... ::)


Couldn't be. This board's not that bad! ;D

[Satan]

Yeah, well, if there was a Kenneth on this board.... ::)


What was that guy's name? 'Shoes'? ;D

[the bib]

Sky ... your comment makes me wonder.

Are there a lot of lurkers/guests and what harm can they do?

I'm sincere in my question, and how much info can be gleaned by first names anyway?

[NorNec]

Damn it all to hell.

since posting IM's is against the rules, and using someone's real name is against the rules, you could get a newbie in a lot of trouble by sending them an IM to please just call you by your real name on the boards..

[WCP]

Damn it all to hell.


Backwards, forwards, jumbled, any anagram you can come up with...just let someone know when you're wishing to leave CONUS for a while, okay?

[truelies]

Thou shalt NOT use the familiar (given) name of any other poster when posting messages on this board (unless their username is their given name). Ever. Period.



is it OK to use their Family name?

[WCP]

is it OK to use their Family name?


Oh, sure. And while you're at it, it's fine to post their email address, their age, their telephone number, their social security number and their middle name. Just not the first name. :o

[Satan]

Are there a lot of lurkers/guests and what harm can they do?

There are almost always at least one or two around. I know who some of them are by their IP addresses (sometimes they're just us not wanting to be disturbed in our reading), but not always.

I'm sincere in my question, and how much info can be gleaned by first names anyway?


Just from knowing a first name? Not much, probably. But there are lots of 'puzzle-pieces' scattered about for those who are curious. For instance, I've probably already dropped enough info between NewsMax and here for you to call my office on Monday morning. You just wouldn't know who to ask for. ;)

[NorNec]

What about calling wives of posters whores and crap like that? And what about posting pictures of other posters children? I sure hope its ok, cause I don't want to see you know who taped shut.

[NorNec]

Oh, sure. And while you're at it, it's fine to post their email address, their age, their telephone number, their social security number and their middle name. Just not the first name. :o



What if they need saving and we contact a family member? :-X

[truelies]

Oh, sure. And while you're at it, it's fine to post their email address, their age, their telephone number, their social security number and their middle name. Just not the first name. :o


What about golf scores & whether or not they pay social security taxes on their illegal alien nannies?

[the bib]

Thanks, sky.

[WCP]

What about calling wives of posters whores and crap like that? And what about posting pictures of other posters children? I sure hope its a no, cause I don't want to see you know who tape shut.


As for what your wife is, I can't comment.

As for the picture of ******, that was previously posted on this board (per your request). I know this because I had to rename it to post it here and I won't do it again...unless you ask me to again.

[Satan]

since posting IM's is against the rules, and using someone's real name is against the rules, you could get a newbie in a lot of trouble by sending them an IM to please just call you by your real name on the boards..


Those are the same people that AOL has to keep reminding NOT to give out their damned passwords. ::)

If that were the case, we'd have to consider the circumstances and they'd probably first get a warning to NOT BE SO STUPID.

[NorNec]

As for what your wife is, I can't comment.

As for the picture of ******, that was previously posted on this board (per your request). I know this because I had to rename it to post it here and I won't do it again...unless you ask me to again.



Oh yes you Cen

[Satan]

What about calling wives of posters whores and crap like that?

Is your wife a whore? ::)

[NorNec]

Is your wife a whore? ::)



Some mod here has said so...would you like a link?

[I-RIGHT-I]

Yeah, well, if there was a Kenneth on this board.... ::)


Yeah...if there was I'd bet it would be him with his pissy little name and pissy little attitude that started all the trouble.

[WCP]

Some mod here has said so...would you like a link?


NorNec, we can go back into the archives and find all kinds of good shit we've insulted each other about.

I don't think that's the purpose of this thread.

[WCP]

Yeah...if there was I'd bet it would be him with his pissy little name and pissy little attitude that started all the trouble.


Sky, have I complained to you once about this? Or any other Administrator? Have I even mentioned it? (excluding comments in "The Secret Place")

[NorNec]

NorNec, we can go back into the archives and find all kinds of good shit we've insulted each other about.

I don't think that's the purpose of this thread.



I think the purpose of this thread is that I made a mistake and so did you and another person...you just felt it was your duty to inform me that I would be banned if it happened again...only reflecting on a rule you could validate to enforce a certain power you neglegt to enforce on the whole forum...I understand.

[I-RIGHT-I]

Sky, have I complained to you once about this? Or any other Administrator? Have I even mentioned it?


Your memory is about as long as your dick.

[WCP]

I think the purpose of this thread is that I made a mistake and so did you and another person...you just felt it was your duty to inform me that I would be banned if it happened again...only reflecting on a rule you could validate to enforce a certain power you neglegt to enforce on the whole forum...I understand.


Well, now you know better. I'm happy, you're happy, Sky's happy.

Kumbaya.

[tileman]

Those are the same people that AOL has to keep reminding NOT to give out their damned passwords. ::)

If that were the case, we'd have to consider the circumstances and they'd probably first get a warning to NOT BE SO STUPID.


LOLOLOL...........just what you want to hve to dick with on a Sunday morning, eh Sky? Having coached a women's soccer team for several years, I can imagine what some of these old ninnies must put you thru.. ;D

[WCP]

Your memory is about as long as your dick.


Oh, I forgot to thank you for knuckling under to "orders" to cease and desist. It must have killed you inside. ;D

[NorNec]

Well, now you know better. I'm happy, you're happy, Sky's happy.

Kumbaya.



Hey, at least you know the limits now.

[arod]

Silliest rule I ever heard of.

Permanent banning on the second offense?? What the hell is this, DU??

What if a user has no objection to being called by their first name, but likes their username the way it is?

[WCP]

Hey, at least you know the limits now.


Oh, you don't understand. They don't apply to me. ;D Just to YOU!! <snicker>

[NorNec]

Oh, you don't understand. They don't apply to me. ;D Just to YOU!! <snicker>



Got it...want a copy of my IM's..or would that be redundant?

[WCP]

What if a user has no objection to being called by their first name, but likes their username the way it is?


Say, I have an idea. What's your first name? ;D

[Satan]

Yeah...if there was I'd bet it would be him with his pissy little name and pissy little attitude that started all the trouble.


Or someone else who didn't want anybody to know who he was in his previous life. ::)

[WCP]

Got it...want a copy of my IM's..or would that be redundant?


Oh, sure. Why don't you take it upon yourself and post it here? Quintiple dog dare ya. :-*

[NorNec]

Oh, sure. Why don't you take it upon yourself and post it here? Quintiple dog dare ya. :-*



Pyschopath...I said "do YOU want a COPY" you are such a flatterer. ;)

[Satan]

Silliest rule I ever heard of.

Me, too. ::)

Permanent banning on the second offense?? What the hell is this, DU??

How many times do you think people should be warned not to do shit they KNOW not to do anyway?

What if a user has no objection to being called by their first name, but likes their username the way it is?


I would say that you can't have your cake and eat it, too.

[Edit: Well, whaddya know...you can.] ::)

[WCP]

Pyschopath...I said "do YOU want a COPY" you are such a flatterer. ;)


Nope. I've got many copies. So does the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, your local police, six copies in my socks (just in case). Also, I send a copy of it to Lance/Sky/Wendy on a daily basis just to make sure they got it.

It's what they live for.

[NorNec]

Nope. I've got many copies. So does the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, your local police, six copies in my socks (just in case). Also, I send a copy of it to Lance/Sky/Wendy on a daily basis just to make sure they got it.

It's what they live for.




But..But.....Pyschopath...damnit.

[WCP]

Sky,

Surely this chickenshit rule is only meant for the "common" members on here and not the "popular" members, right? :o

[truelies]

Or someone else who didn't want anybody to know who he was in his previous life. ::)


So if you knew someone here in a past life it is OK to call them by that name?

[I-RIGHT-I]

Or someone else who didn't want anybody to know who he was in his previous life. ::)


I think anyone who uses the purple without my permission should be banned.

[WCP]

So if you knew someone here in a past life it is OK to call them by that name?


I think this board is a little light on the Zen crowd since we lost Slipped Mickey.

[I-RIGHT-I]

So if you knew someone here in a past life it is OK to call them by that name?


Why? You want us to call you NumBnUTs?

[truelies]

I think this board is a little light on the Zen crowd since we lost Slipped Mickey.


there are some in the closet

[WCP]

there are some in the closet


Yeah, but most of them are just hoping to come back as a woman's bicycle seat. ::)

[arod]

Me, too. ::)

I got a better idea. How about we let the crybabies who have previously posted their names live with the consequences of their actions, and let the rule about not posting personal info take care of the rest?

Or is that too libertarian for you?

How many times do you think people should be warned not to do shit they KNOW not to do anyway?

The question is whether the punishment fits the crime. You guys take months to ban Yukon, and then you're gonna axe somebody for this on the second offense?

I would say that you can't have your cake and eat it, too.

It is within your power to cater to whatever fetishes anyone might have. Why catering to badnews' particular fetish over anyone else's strikes you as fair escapes me.

[WCP]

fair


There it is. The "fair" word.

You up-to-date on your NoPC membership annual dues, champ?

[NorNec]

I got a better idea. How about we let the crybabies who have previously posted their names live with the consequences of their actions, and let the rule about not posting personal info take care of the rest?

Or is that too libertarian for you?The question is whether the punishment fits the crime. You guys take months to ban Yukon, and then you're gonna axe somebody for this on the second offense?I would say that you can't have your cake and eat it, too.It is within your power to cater to whatever fetishes anyone might have. Why catering to badnews' particular fetish over anyone else's strikes you as fair escapes me.



I don't know, but I think you've stumped the "experts"

[NorNec]

There it is. The "fair" word.

You up-to-date on your NoPC membership annual dues, champ?



Sky....would your company keep a guy like this employed if he spouted..."Fuck you bitch...it works the way it does.." Next dumb fucking question?

[tileman]

It is within your power to cater to whatever fetishes anyone might have. Why catering to badnews' particular fetish over anyone else's strikes you as fair escapes me.


Most guys will do anything rather than listen to IT any more...... ;D

[WCP]

Most guys will do anything rather than listen to IT any more...... ;D


I'm telling you, not a word has been said to an Admin on this. You have me confused with some other blubberer...like yourself, perhaps.

IT this. <crotch grab> ;D

[NorNec]

I'm telling you, not a word has been said to an Admin on this. You have me confused with some other blubberer...like yourself, perhaps.

IT this. <crotch grab> ;D



You are a GOD DAMN LIAR, why else did this happen? Not me.

[tileman]

I'm telling you, not a word has been said to an Admin on this. You have me confused with some other blubberer...like yourself, perhaps.

IT this. <crotch grab> ;D


Did I point at you?.....

[NorNec]

Shhhhhh. quiet...the Gaurdian is here...I love you BN.

[WCP]

You are a GOD DAMN LIAR, why else did this happen? Not me.


Take a momentary felatio break from IRI and ask him. Hopefully via IM.

[The Guardian]

Lets be sensible about this, please.

Posting private information is NOT allowed. If someone wants you to use their name, fine. (In fact, my other userid IS my name...Lance) I personally do not care.

However, some people do care and are immensely private. And these offenses are in the eye of the beholder, not the person posting the information.

Best practice would be to assume the displayed name of the poster is what the poster wishes to be known by. If that displayed name is their real name...so be it. If it is not, then it should be pretty obvious what the member desires.

[arod]

Did I point at you?.....

Sure you did, even if you don't know it. ;)

[NorNec]

Take a momentary felatio break from IRI and ask him. Hopefully via IM.



That is rich.....bwahahaahhaaaaa.. you crack me up.

[The Guardian]

I might add that if a member posts the information, then comes whining to the admins about someone using it...too bad. So don't include your names in attachments, signatures, and so on...if you care.

[WCP]

Lets be sensible about this, please.

Ooops...lost most of 'em already, Lance.

Don't you know while you've been absent, this has been made into a Democracy?

[NorNec]

Lets be sensible about this, please.

Posting private information is NOT allowed. If someone wants you to use their name, fine. (In fact, my other userid IS my name...Lance) I personally do not care.

However, some people do care and are immensely private. And these offenses are in the eye of the beholder, not the person posting the information.

Best practice would be to assume the displayed name of the poster is what the poster wishes to be known by. If that displayed name is their real name...so be it. If it is not, then it should be pretty obvious what the member desires.




I agree...not sucking up like a certain person whom you have given power to. My name is Mark, and I have a hairlip. That being said: when I type my name Ken comes up, so sue me.

[WCP]

I agree...not sucking up like a certain person whom you have given power to. My name is Mark, and I have a hairlip. That being said: when I type my name Ken comes up, so sue me.


You're fearless, aren't you?

[NorNec]

You're fearless, aren't you?



I have a disability....are you insured?

[arod]

I might add that if a member posts the information, then comes whining to the admins about someone using it...too bad. So don't include your names in attachments, signatures, and so on...if you care.


Then what's the point of the rule, since there is already a rule against posting personal info?

[NorNec]

Then what's the point of the rule, since there is already a rule against posting personal info?





Bingo....give this man a prize....

[The Guardian]

You can post your OWN personal info to your heart's content. WE do NOT care. The rule is against a member posting some other member's personal info WITHOUT their consent.

[arod]

You can post your OWN personal info to your heart's content. WE do NOT care. The rule is against a member posting some other member's personal info WITHOUT their consent.

We know that. What I'm asking is why this new rule is needed, since Rule 4 already prohibits that.

[NorNec]

You can post your OWN personal info to your heart's content. WE do NOT care. The rule is against a member posting some other member's personal info WITHOUT their consent.



Does slander about a spouse who has never posted count?

[Persephone]

Not that he isn't fully capable of throwing a hissy, but badnews was not the one who brought this issue up in the admin forum. ;)

[WCP]

We know that. What I'm asking is why this new rule is needed, since Rule 4 already prohibits that.


Because there are some idiots on here that think it's cute to subvert the rule.

I don't want anyone knowing my name on here anymore than YOU want anyone knowing anything about you.

It's a privacy issue. It's been explained to you over and over again. There are new members on here that some of us don't trust enough to share that information with them.

It's unimportant whether you understand the rule...just that you obey it.

[WCP]

Does slander about a spouse who has never posted count?


Sure it counts. It counts as much as some members slandering others by calling them baby murderers.

[arod]

Not that he isn't fully capable of throwing a hissy, but badnews was not the one who brought this issue up in the admin forum. ;)


That may be. However, he did say this: (http://nopc.antares-dev.com/yabbse/index.php?action=display;board=8;threadid=8371;sta rt=msg293538#msg293538)

I can pretty much guaranty you that if you don't stop using my familiar name, you will be removed from this board.

While he may not have directed this at an admin specifically, he could be reasonably sure an admin would read it.

[the bib]

Because there are some idiots on here that think it's cute to subvert the rule.

I don't want anyone knowing my name on here anymore than YOU want anyone knowing anything about you.

It's a privacy issue. It's been explained to you over and over again. There are new members on here that some of us don't trust enough to share that information with them.

It's unimportant whether you understand the rule...just that you obey it.


I've known your given name since NM, although I never use it. (Shithead is infinitly more appropos. ;D Just joking! )

Others have used it since. I didn;t realize you minded.

[Annie04]

New members this, new members that....I know I wouldn't want any of the OLD members to have my personal information.

Glad that's said and done.

Edited: Except for Unca Walt!

[tileman]

It's unimportant whether you understand the rule...just that you obey it.


uh oh................the O word........... ::)

[WCP]

While he may not have directed this at an admin specifically, he could be reasonably sure an admin would read it.


Everyone knows that everyone reads every word I type as if it was directly typed by God Almighty.

When Wendy and Sky come on here, the VERY first thing they do is go to "badnews" and do a search for the last 100 posts I've put on here, have a good old laugh, about a dozen or so ::)'s and then they get down to the business of carrying out my direct orders.

I have them in my pocket. Ask them if you don't believe me. ::)

Bonehead.

[WCP]

uh oh................the O word........... ::)


That was specifically for you, rabble rouser. ;D

[Persephone]

That may be. However, he did say this: (http://nopc.antares-dev.com/yabbse/index.php?action=display;board=8;threadid=8371;sta rt=msg293538#msg293538)

I can pretty much guaranty you that if you don't stop using my familiar name, you will be removed from this board.

While he may not have directed this at an admin specifically, he could be reasonably sure an admin would read it.


He said it after it had already been established that actions were going to be taken to put a stop to the use of real names without permission.

It wasn't that he had the "power" to convince admins to take action just on his behalf. It was that they had already stated their thinking on the matter in discussion with each other.

You are accusing Sky, Wendy and The Guardian of having no backbone to make their own decisions. They are not merely pandering to one member. This was discussed, and they had their own concerns about it, before it ever became an issue on the open board.

[WCP]

Others have used it since. I didn;t realize you minded.


I've never liked it. Never will like it. Hate it, in fact. Makes me cringe even when used by my closest colleagues on here.

I demand that my privacy be respected.

If that's too much for some people to bear, they will soon find an error message on here when they log on and they will be forced to find a board where posting personal information is allowed.

Good luck on the latter.

[the bib]

I demand that my privacy be respected.

If that's too much for some people to bear, they will soon find an error message on here when they log on and they will be forced to find a board where posting personal information is allowed.

Good luck on the latter.


What the hell is that about?

I've never used yours or the first names if anyone here.

[WCP]

What the hell is that about?

I've never used yours or the first names if anyone here.




I wasn't directing that at you, bib. You've never used my name on here except the times you were intoxicated. ;D

[arod]

He said it after it had already been established that actions were going to be taken to put a stop to the use of real names without permission.

And what exactly prompted that move?

It wasn't that he had the "power" to convince admins to take action just on his behalf. It was that they had already stated their thinking on the matter in discussion with each other.

Well how about them sharing some of their reasoning, seeing how no one has come up with any justification for what can only be called, by NoPC standards, a draconian mearsure?

You are accusing Sky, Wendy and The Guardian of having no backbone to make their own decisions.

I haven't done that...yet. :)

They are not merely pandering to one member. This was discussed, and they had their own concerns about it, before it ever became an issue on the open board.

I'm dying to hear why it is now a bannable offense to use a poster's first name whether he or she has previously posted it or not...and why there is a "2 strikes and you're out" policy on it.

[Persephone]

How hard can it be to understand why it isn't acceptable to use someone's real name without their permission?

How many times do you think someone should be warned?

[the bib]

I wasn't directing that at you, bib. You've never used my name on here except the times you were intoxicated. ;D


Oh, I admit to coming on after having tossed back a beer or two(even three or four!)

I still plead innocent to using any one's name, even, maybe especially then.

At times like those I have enough trouble remembering my OWN name, much less any of yours! ;D

what if someone registers using their real first name? should they be banned?

[WCP]

How hard can it be to understand why it isn't acceptable to use someone's real name without their permission?

How many times do you think someone should be warned?


Nope. You don't get it. It has to be laboriously explained in great detail the harm that could possibly be done in a million and one different circumstances of what could possibly happen by tossing out personal information around a public forum.

[WCP]

Oh, I admit to coming on after having tossed back a beer or two(even three or four!)


Woo Woo Credo Rule 13: Drink heavily while posting.

The Complete Woo Woo Credo...Credits to Sinceabout...whose "real" name is most likely not "Sinceabout" (http://www.skepticreport.com/funnies/woowoocredo.htm)

[Persephone]

what if someone registers using their real first name? should they be banned?


It's already been said several times that there is an "unless their username is their real name" clause.

[arod]

How hard can it be to understand why it isn't acceptable to use someone's real name without their permission?

The rule doesn't say anything about permission. What's more, Sky made it plain that a person could be banned for doing it without regard to the other person's consent.

How many times do you think someone should be warned?

I'll answer that after somebody answers my questions above.

[WCP]

I'll answer that after somebody answers my questions above.


I'm more than certain that at this VERY moment, Lance, Sky & Wendy are in a top level meeting behind closed doors formulating a detailed explanation to you as to why they conduct this board the way they conduct this board.

[Persephone]

The rule is there to protect privacy. It's just a reminder that respecting privacy of others is an ultimate priority around here. We can sit here all day and think of exceptions and/or ways the admins could potentially abuse the rule.

Sometimes people register with their real names and then change them. Or they register on one board with their real names and use another name here. It's hard then for people to remember which name to call them.

We can think of any number of scenarios in which people might "innocently" break the rule. But we don't have rules to nail the innocent. If someone gets banned because of this rule, and it seems unfair, everyone is perfectly free to bitch and moan...or go somewhere else.

[the bib]

I don;t know how they keep all the names and passwords straight.. ???

[wendy]

1.) Do not post personal information about other members without their express permission.

2.) I've you've been told to cease using a members given name on the forum, do so immediately.

This isn't neurosurgery, people. ::)