What did God teach us?

[jeny]

What is evangilism? What is compassion? What did God teach us through Jesus? I think he taught us to be a credit to his name through example, and not through lip service? I think he taught us to search for the good in everyone, no matter who they are. I think he taugt us that we are all the same, no one is above anyone else. I think a lot of "Christians" would do well to remember this. Over the last few years, I have watched this fight between the Chrstians and the not Chirstians raging on and on with in several forums that I post at, and I don't understand. Did God mean for us to hate eachother so much, in his name?

[Satan]

I tell ya', if this don't boost your post-count, nothing will. ;D

In answer to your question, I think God would have us all try to get along with each other, even if it means just leaving each other the hell alone. ;)

[arod]

National Brotherhood Week - Tom Lehrer



Oh, the white folks hate the black folks,
And the black folks hate the white folks.
To hate all but the right folks
Is an old established rule.

But during National Brotherhood Week, National Brotherhood Week,
Lena Horne and Sheriff Clarke are dancing cheek to cheek.
It's fun to eulogize
The people you despise,
As long as you don't let 'em in your school.

Oh, the poor folks hate the rich folks,
And the rich folks hate the poor folks.
All of my folks hate all of your folks,
It's American as apple pie.

But during National Brotherhood Week, National Brotherhood Week,
New Yorkers love the Puerto Ricans 'cause it's very chic.
Step up and shake the hand
Of someone you can't stand.
You can tolerate him if you try.

Oh, the Protestants hate the Catholics,
And the Catholics hate the Protestants,
And the Hindus hate the Moslems,
And everybody hates the Jews.

But during National Brotherhood Week, National Brotherhood Week,
It's National Everyone-smile-at-one-another-hood Week.
Be nice to people who
Are inferior to you.
It's only for a week, so have no fear.
Be grateful that it doesn't last all year!

[jeny]

I'm not sure what to make of your post arod.

[arod]

What is evangilism? What is compassion? What did God teach us through Jesus? I think he taught us to be a credit to his name through example, and not through lip service? I think he taught us to search for the good in everyone, no matter who they are. I think he taugt us that we are all the same, no one is above anyone else. I think a lot of "Christians" would do well to remember this. Over the last few years, I have watched this fight between the Chrstians and the not Chirstians raging on and on with in several forums that I post at, and I don't understand. Did God mean for us to hate eachother so much, in his name?

Jeny, you know as well as I do the answer is no. Isn't the real question why?

If you look at what happened on NM all the time, usually some heathen would cast aspersions on Chrisitanity, then some Christian would take offense - at which point they were done for, having lost the power to overcome evil with good. The antagonist felt justified by the childish reaction from one who ought to have known better.

As Lehrer illustrated so well with his song, the phenomenon is not religious at its core. It happens between Catholic and Protestant, rich and poor, black and white...

[LanceALott]

Well, I've turned over a new leaf. I'm gonna love all you fat, dumb, ugly stupid people who are inferior to me; even if you are a Christian, and I'll even try to love the mean-spirited and incompetent Republicans, or a stupid liberal.

Personally I think God has been butchered on these forums. One thing is for sure, we have created God in our image. ::)

[jeny]

Personally I think God has been butchered on these forums. One thing is for sure, we have created God in our image. ::)


yup

"What is evangilism? What is compassion? What did God teach us through Jesus? I think he taught us to be a credit to his name through example, and not through lip service? I think he taught us to search for the good in everyone, no matter who they are. I think he taugt us that we are all the same, no one is above anyone else. I think a lot of "Christians" would do well to remember this. "

I think you are right.

I also think that people here have a double standard. They have an expectation that Christianity turns people into a doormat that they can wipe their feet on any time they choose. They frequently feel superior to Christians because they believe they are the enlightened elite who have progressed beyond mysticism and superstition, as they choose to mischaracterize christianity. They bait people with the sole intention of slamming them for the slightest sign of unchristian behavior... as THEY define it.

Selfishness and hatred are very commonplace and powerful within human nature. Expecting someone to be utterly free of them just because they claim to be Christian is unrealistic. We all need compassion, forgiveness, patience, etc. To expect it from Christians while denying any need for it in yourselves is unrealistic.

Lastly, those who do express hatred for other denominations or races aren't Christians after all. They do not concern themselves with what Jesus taught or how they behave toward others. They are only christians in name for whatever it is that they get out of it.

[LanceALott]

Amen, brothers and sisters, Preach it! I agree with all of you today.

Each of us know, understand, and practice SOMETIMES the ideals that the Man from Galilee taught; but I'm afraid none of us (except me of course) know and understand everything, or even enough about the Nazarene.

I agree with Jung, everyone in the West sees himself as Christ, in that we all see ourselves as the ideal, and Christ is the source of our understanding of our Western ideal. I am afraid, no one sees himself as Evil, unless maybe girls do. In our own mind, everything we do is the right thing for the situation, even when we screw up badly.

The problem seems to me to be, that none of us truly understand everything or even enough about Him.

[IM]

Well certainly you can't call, or think of another person a heathen and expect that they will see the good in you.

It goes beyond christians loving just christians. It destroys our America is the greteast nation ever conceived arrogance and reaches out to show the true extent of what love and compassion really is.

That compassion goes far beyond praising God on the internet, while saying that you stand for policy and laws which hurt your fellow man.

It means to extend your hand out to those like the perpetrators of 9-11 and not scream"let's kill them all because we are the most morally pure country on the planet and God tells us that we must purge the world of the non-believer!", while we talk about how crazy others are in the world for screaming JIHAD! JIHAD!

I agree with Jenny.

[arod]

It means to extend your hand out to those like the perpetrators of 9-11 <snip>

Uh huh...just as you no doubt extended your hand to Lawrence Powell and company for an "outrage" immeasurably less heinous than 9/11.

What a flaming hypocritical weasel you are.

[buzaw]

1. With religion, eternal destiny is at stake so far as is the thinking of those who believe wrong choices bring eternal sorrow and right choices bring good. We're talkin eternity here.
2. Folks who love, want folks who they consider headed wrong to hear their message so as to be spared eternal sadness/suffering.
3. This involves exposing what loving folks consider dangerous doctrine of another's religion.
4. Folks who don't like to hear bad things about their religion get teed off.
5. Debate ensues.
6. Folks who debate without getting bent outa shape are cool. 8)
7. Folks who don't keep their cool aren't cool.

These forums are for discussion and yes, even debate, and yes even debate on religious issues. It's not hateful to debate religion no more than politics or the current events. Folks who can't handle that need to find other passtimes.

[ilovelucy]

Jeny and others.


I don' really know sometimes what God teaches us.

I get perplexed by the weight of what I should be versus the way I am.

God teaches me often that I am not perfect, so therefore, I should try to understand the imperfections of others. Even though, I deny sometimes my own gross imperfections and try to make myself look like Iam a better person than I am deep inside....

God teaches me that love is a more viable option than hate.

God teaches me that he loves me even though I do not deserve the love he offers nor the sacrifice of Christ for me.......And therefore, he teaches me to try to be more understanding of others regardless, because, ultimately, we are of the same cloth....

[LanceALott]

Buzz: 3. This involves exposing what loving folks consider dangerous doctrine of another's religion.

LaL: Boy are you in trouble now! I agree with everything you said in your last post. My sanction should be the kiss of death! -- ;D

I copied the one statement of yours above, because I particularly agree with this, and it is what I have been trying to do to you, bro Buzz. I think you are basically a good, honest, and sincere person, just like Arod, Lazarus, Lonestar, Jenney, and the rest who have commented on the religion threads. I have no problem with any of you as a person, but I do take exception to some of your beliefs. I think all of you are doing the best you can, where you are, with what you have to work with.

But in my true story of Laura Lee Rice on another thread, I tried to show the danger of believing things that are not so. And I'm truly sorry, Buzz, but I can see you do not have everything right, and some of the things you put the most faith in are the most wrong and the most dangerous to you and to everyone around you.

So when I post to you, or to anyone else, I'm doing what you suggest is the right thing to do, even if my words get sharp and hurt. They are designed to jolt you out of your complacency, and out of your faith in yourself and in YOUR beliefs. I am not doing it for myself. I am doing it because it is what is good for you.

[jeny]

LAL, if we didn't "take exception" to some each other's beliefs, it would be one dull wold now wouldn;t it? ;)

Now tell me which of my beliefs you take exception to, so I can tell you why you're wrong, in His name, of course. ;D

[LanceALott]

He taught us to "LOVE OUR NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF."

The selfish and greedy right-wingnuts reject this outright; But the liberals and the con men amongst us also distort it and fail to even see the last part: "AS THYSELF."

And in their twisted definition of "love" they come up with something called "altrusim," which literally means to love others instead of, or at least more than, you love your self.

The wise Man of Galilee said "AS!" That means an equal amount, not more, nor less.

And while I am on this subject, I'm gonna add my own opinion and give you my definition of "Love = anything that is good for someone."

One last shot: WHAT IS GOOD FOR SOMEONE DOES NOT ALWAYS FEEL GOOD, sometimes it HURTS.

[kathleen]

By the way, Jen, did you have your baby baptised?

[LanceALott]

Jenny: Now tell me which of my beliefs you take exception to, so I can tell you why you're wrong, in His name, of course

LaL: In His name, and in mine, on another thread I tried to jab you in the butt and tell you that your beliefs about welfare not being a responsibility of all of us (government) is just plain not in your best interest or in mine. And I think that dangerous belief has a defective religious foundation.

[jeny]

By the way, Jen, did you have your baby baptised?


No, not yet, I'm not sure I'm going to either. I don;t think much of that particular sacrement, as it's more for the parents than for the child. It's a commitment to God that one simply cannot make for another person.

[jeny]

Jenny: Now tell me which of my beliefs you take exception to, so I can tell you why you're wrong, in His name, of course

LaL: In His name, and in mine, on another thread I tried to jab you in the butt and tell you that your beliefs about welfare not being a responsibility of all of us (government) is just plain not in your best interest or in mine. And I think that dangerous belief has a defective religious foundation.


You totally misunderstand my position on charity. It's that it is not the role of the government, and that's that. Not only that, but they do a bad job of it.

[kathleen]

I don;t think much of that particular sacrement, as it's more for the parents than for the child.

Some might say that your belief makes you a very bad Catholic.

I agree with you on the commitment to God thing. How could a infant possibly know about God/Satan, good/evil?

And by consenting to a baptism, you are essentially saying that your perfect little angel is not so perfect after all, that she has the stain of original sin.

[jeny]

I don;t think much of that particular sacrement, as it's more for the parents than for the child.

Some might say that your belief makes you a very bad Catholic.

I agree with you on the commitment to God thing. How could a infant possibly know about God/Satan, good/evil?

And by consenting to a baptism, you are essentially saying that your perfect little angel is not so perfect after all, that she has the stain of original sin.


I am a bad Catholic. What can I say? I'll be sure to mention that at confession. ;)

When Alexa is older, she can decide if she wants to be baptized, you don't have to be a baby to be baptized.

[LanceALott]

Jenny: You totally misunderstand my position on charity. It's that it is not the role of the government, and that's that. Not only that, but they do a bad job of it.

LaL: It is the job of the government. That neighbor of mine is a damn Republican who will not pay his fair share of the bribes as charity to keep the poor from revolting, and I cannot afford to pay his share. Hell, that Republican neighbor SOB is already trying to make me pay his share of the water bill. Republicans did not get all that wealth by giving it away to charity, nor did they pay taxes.

Welfare is the price we all must pay to keep living our own life of splendor, and charity simply does not spread the burden far enough to do the dirty job. We can either keep our mouth shut and pay our fair share of the tax-bribery to the masses, or they will gang up and kick our asses.

We can pay them now, or we can pay them later; and if we try to cheat them and pay them later, we will put them in an anti-survival situation, and they will feel justified to kill us first in self-defense. the price then will most likely be our own lives.

So if I misunderstood your position on charity, why don't you tell me what that position is?

[jeny]

oh puuuulease, I do not buy that they're gonna kill us if we don;t pay them BS. Get a new line, that one ain;t working on me

[arod]

We can either keep our mouth shut and pay our fair share of the tax-bribery to the masses, or they will gang up and kick our asses.

Congratulations on having written off the lower classes as nothing but thieves and murderers at heart, and therefore worthy to be used as cannon fodder by clever manipulators; and thank you for revealing yourself as the elitist you are - a true brother in the spirit to Marx. :)

[LanceALott]

Arod: Congratulations on having written off the lower classes as nothing but thieves and murderers at heart, and therefore worthy to be used as cannon fodder by clever manipulators;

LaL: Have you always had a reading defficiency? I said the lower classes will not revolt as long as they can survive on the crumbs that fall of the rich man's table. Until their survival is threatened by a failing system, no clever manipulater, like me, or a real general, can recruit them to become theives and murderers, that is revolutionaries. But once that Last Great Depression hists because the establishment has taken too damn much and broken the system, then they have no other sane choice except to destroy the establishment and replace it with one that works.

Arod: and thank you for revealing yourself as the elitist you are -

LaL: Elitist? Maybe? But I see myself as a pragmatic survivalist who has tuned in to the Karma of this world and is looking for a survival strategy.

Arod: a true brother in the spirit to Marx.

LaL: Marx was smarter than you and I put together, but his spirit is the Ghost of Chrismas Past. but he is not my brother. He was an ugly old goat who just happened to be right about the future he saw, and he gave history a little push in what he thought was the right direction. And once he pushed, the fate of the rest of us was to the feel the pain of the coming Time of Great Trouble he saw.

And you can go around praying for the Rapture, and trying to call upon your book of magic to change where this world is going until some Commie slaps you along side the head with A-rod, but unless there really is a god up there who loves you and hates the rest of us, you will not change the outcome of this Great Tribulation.

[IM]

arod,

Nice try. Since you have never heard me ask for the death of Mr. Powell, nor have I asked for us to send troops to LA to kill all the white police officers. So your point is way off the mark.

Plus Mr. Powell's act was really unwarranted. The acts of those on 9-11 no matter how terrible, and no matter how much YOU don't want to hear it, was brought on by OUR foreign policy.

It's not my place to forgive Powell, he has done me no physical harm. I was pointing out an example where police used unnecessary force against a black man which supported my statement that blacks face more of the instances than whites do.

And since that's the truth, you can call me whatever you want.

Since this nation was founded up nsuch raditional morality arod, we should not be suffereing from terrorists attacks because we would be the example of the love of Christ for the world. But since we are not, that also destroys your claim of moral superority.

Asking for proper justice and demanding or threatening to kill everyobody claiming it's justice are two different things. Once you understand that, you will have grown as a human being.

[arod]

Arod: Congratulations on having written off the lower classes as nothing but thieves and murderers at heart, and therefore worthy to be used as cannon fodder by clever manipulators;

LaL: Have you always had a reading defficiency? I said the lower classes will not revolt as long as they can survive on the crumbs that fall of the rich man's table. Until their survival is threatened by a failing system, no clever manipulater, like me, or a real general, can recruit them to become theives and murderers, that is revolutionaries.

IOW, they won't become thieves and murderers until they have reason to. Thanks for confirming what I said. ;)

But once that Last Great Depression hists because the establishment has taken too damn much and broken the system, then they have no other sane choice except to destroy the establishment and replace it with one that works.

Listen, imbecile: people stupid enough to blame others for their misfortune can hardly be expected to replace an imperfect system with something better - as if it hadn't been proven countless times in history already, most notably in 1917.

Arod: a true brother in the spirit to Marx.

LaL: Marx was smarter than you and I put together, but his spirit is the Ghost of Chrismas Past. but he is not my brother. He was an ugly old goat who just happened to be right about the future he saw, and he gave history a little push in what he thought was the right direction.

Uh huh. So did Hitler and Stalin.[/quote]

[arod]

arod,

Nice try. Since you have never heard me ask for the death of Mr. Powell, nor have I asked for us to send troops to LA to kill all the white police officers. So your point is way off the mark.

You have said we should reach out to the perpetrators of 911. Answer me if you dare, you gutless fraud: what have you done to reach out to LA police?

Plus Mr. Powell's act was really unwarranted. The acts of those on 9-11 no matter how terrible, and no matter how much YOU don't want to hear it, was brought on by OUR foreign policy.

If we are to blame for 911, perhaps...I mean, could it just possibly be...that Rodney King was responsible for the beating he got? :)

It's not my place to forgive Powell, he has done me no physical harm.

Fair enough. Where the hell do you get off saying we should forgive the perps for 911 then, since they did you no physical harm either?

Since this nation was founded up nsuch raditional morality arod, we should not be suffereing from terrorists attacks because we would be the example of the love of Christ for the world.

That is perhaps the most idiotic thing I ever heard, in light of the fact that the greatest example of such love the world ever saw was villified and crucified.

But since we are not, that also destroys your claim of moral superority.

No other country has come closer to it, as our treatment of our vanquished enemies after WWII clearly demonstrates.[/quote]

[LanceALott]

Arod: Listen, imbecile: people stupid enough to blame others for their misfortune can hardly be expected to replace an imperfect system with something better

LaL: Unless the "blame" rises above blame and was the real cause of the failing establishement.

[arod]

Arod: Listen, imbecile: people stupid enough to blame others for their misfortune can hardly be expected to replace an imperfect system with something better

LaL: Unless the "blame" rises above blame and was the real cause of the failing establishement.

Perhaps you'd care to restate this in English? :)

[LanceALott]

Dimrod: people stupid enough to blame others for their misfortune can hardly be expected to replace an imperfect system with something better

LaL: Unless the "blame" rises above blame and was the real cause of the failing establishement.


Arod: Perhaps you'd care to restate this in English?

LaL; Well that was English, but for those who are so dumb they do not understand english, I will restate it in words so simple that even Arod can understand:

What you call "blame" actually rises to the level of CASUE AND EFFECT. -- Oh, shit that won't do it because no "Christian" understands something as complicated as cause and effect. Let me try again: "people stupid enough to blame others for their misfortune can hardly be expected to replace an imperfect system with something better" unless those stupid people are smarter than the failing establishment.

[arod]

Dimrod: people stupid enough to blame others for their misfortune can hardly be expected to replace an imperfect system with something better

LaL: Unless the "blame" rises above blame and was the real cause of the failing establishement.


Arod: Perhaps you'd care to restate this in English?

LaL; Well that was English, but for those who are so dumb they do not understand english, I will restate it in words so simple that even Arod can understand:

What you call "blame" actually rises to the level of CASUE AND EFFECT. -- Oh, shit that won't do it because no "Christian" understands something as complicated as cause and effect. Let me try again: "people stupid enough to blame others for their misfortune can hardly be expected to replace an imperfect system with something better" unless those stupid people are smarter than the failing establishment.

Yeah, I figured it was nonsensical. Obviously those who allow themselves to be emotionally manipulated to believe they are entitled to largesse from the public treasury are NOT smarter than those who, like jeny, do not.

My apologies for having given you the benefit of the doubt. :)