Guido

[ponygurl]

;D
I have a water pump.. which pumps water from my 60 ft well.. in which there is planty of water.
There is a foot valve in the well..
When the pump first starts after I have opened a tap..it goes immediately to 20 psi.
Then the pressure drops instead of climbing, down to 5 psi.. and the water becomes a trickle.
The pressure on the pump guage never runs above 20 psi.
I cannot afford a plumber if I don't have to pay for one.
Any ideas of what could be happening?
Would something affecting the injector or the foot valve affect the pump presure? Or would dirt or something clogging the pipes affect pump presure? Or is this strictly going to be a pump related problem?

[WCP]

Faulty solenoid valve.

[WCP]

I know it's the solenoid valve because I've had it explained to me during a deposition. A female attorney asked:

Female Attorney: Q. How does a solenoid valve work?
Expert Witness (male): A. Well, ma'am (he takes his left index finger and touches tip of finger to tip of thumb forming a circle...with his right index finger, he inserts it rapidly in and out of that circle formed by the index finger and the thumb.)

At which point I almost pissed myself laughing...

[ponygurl]

Faulty solenoid valve.

new pump?

[ponygurl]

oh.. and disregard my snothole citified man comment. ;D

[arod]

new pump?


I think bad's pulling your leg. ;)

I'm not an expert, but I believe the problem could be either the ejector or the pump. Dirt in the foot valve would cause the pump to lose its prime eventually - unless the screen is clogged. If it were mine, I'd try to get a pressure reading on the pressure line going into the well, if there is a fitting available. If the pressure in that line is high, that would indicate to me a problem in the ejector/foot valve rather than the pump.

More info:

http://www.flintandwalling.com/jet_troubleshooting-e.htm

Or plug your pump manufacturer's name into Google.

Meanwhile, I'll wait for guido to show up and make me look like an idiot. :)

[jeny]

Pony, did I mention that the ejector pump in the bathroom downstairs broke? When the plumber came to replace it, he found condoms in the pipes. I assure you, they do not belong to us. LOL. I'll leave it to badnews to apply this anecdote to his courtroom story. ;)

[ponygurl]

Well..I asked my brother in law if it could be a cellenoid..at which he laughed and said.. only car starters have those..
At that point I thought.. was Bn pulling my leg.. or is the poor bastard as motor dumb as me..
;D ;D
I left it hanging..
And my pump is fixed.. :)

[ponygurl]

I think bad's pulling your leg. ;)

I'm not an expert, but I believe the problem could be either the ejector or the pump. Dirt in the foot valve would cause the pump to lose its prime eventually - unless the screen is clogged. If it were mine, I'd try to get a pressure reading on the pressure line going into the well, if there is a fitting available. If the pressure in that line is high, that would indicate to me a problem in the ejector/foot valve rather than the pump.

More info:

http://www.flintandwalling.com/jet_troubleshooting-e.htm

Or plug your pump manufacturer's name into Google.

Meanwhile, I'll wait for guido to show up and make me look like an idiot. :)

Arod..thank you. I had searched about the pumps and trouble shooting stuff..but I''m pretty dumb about such things..
It was a problem with the presure tank. :)

[WCP]

Well..I asked my brother in law if it could be a cellenoid..at which he laughed and said.. only car starters have those..
At that point I thought.. was Bn pulling my leg.. or is the poor bastard as motor dumb as me..
;D ;D
I left it hanging..
And my pump is fixed.. :)


Your brother in law is a moron. Solenoid valves are used to control the flow of ANY liquid.

It's the solenoid valve.

[WCP]

Solenoids valves are also used to control the flow of gaseous materials, vapors.

Tell your brother in law he don't know shite.

[arod]

Your brother in law is a moron. Solenoid valves are used to control the flow of ANY liquid.

It's the solenoid valve.


You and her BIL are both morons. Solenoid valves are used in some water systems, especially in irrigation, but most home potable water supply systems don't have any need for them.

pony:

Was the pressure tank waterlogged?

[guido]

Pony

I'm sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. I got called back to work for 2.5 hrs just as soon as I walked in the door tonight.

I'm glad you got your problem fixed.

My first two guesses were bad pressure switch, or bad tank.

Remember, a clogged screen or plugged pipe won't drop your pressure, it will lower your flow rate (gpm) If the guage is reading below the set point on the pressure switch......(usually 30-50 or 40-60psi) then your problem is the pump itself, the pressure switch, or the bladder tank.

Sometimes people mistake low volume for low pressure. Water coming in at a lower g.p.m. can seem like low pressure, so always check your guage.

Low flow problems are caused by plugged screens and clogged pipes.

[ponygurl]

You and her BIL are both morons. Solenoid valves are used in some water systems, especially in irrigation, but most home potable water supply systems don't have any need for them.

pony:

Was the pressure tank waterlogged?

Yes..
I have had an ongoing problem in this house for three years.. well.. 2.. since I didn't live in it for one year.. my ex did.
Lack of pressure..
Seems the OLD pressure tank was too large for the pump.. and we had bad water pressure..
This is a brand spankin' new tank.. and it was waterlogged.. .. tank drained, pumped up and I'm in business.
Nothing more irritating than having 5 days of camping laundry and no water.. argghhh..

[ponygurl]

Pony

I'm sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. I got called back to work for 2.5 hrs just as soon as I walked in the door tonight.

I'm glad you got your problem fixed.

My first two guesses were bad pressure switch, or bad tank.

Remember, a clogged screen or plugged pipe won't drop your pressure, it will lower your flow rate (gpm) If the guage is reading below the set point on the pressure switch......(usually 30-50 or 40-60psi) then your problem is the pump itself, the pressure switch, or the bladder tank.

Sometimes people mistake low volume for low pressure. Water coming in at a lower g.p.m. can seem like low pressure, so always check your guage.

Low flow problems are caused by plugged screens and clogged pipes.

Guido... no problem.. thanks..
I have water and Arod and BN will argue about who's a moron..
All's well. ;D

[arod]

Remember, a clogged screen or plugged pipe won't drop your pressure, it will lower your flow rate (gpm)


It will if the restriction is on the suction side.

[ponygurl]

It will if the restriction is on the suction side.

THAT's what I was most afraid of..

[guido]

It will if the restriction is on the suction side.


Yes.....it will. I've heard of people firing blanks down into their well point to clear debris........not something I recommend ;D

Alot of people are buying a new type of pump. The impeller runs constantly, slower or faster depending on if there's any flow or not. It keeps the pressure up all the time, and you can control the pressure via electronic device. You can junk the huge tanks and replace them with a tiny 2 gal tank.

[arod]

Yes..
I have had an ongoing problem in this house for three years.. well.. 2.. since I didn't live in it for one year.. my ex did.
Lack of pressure..
Seems the OLD pressure tank was too large for the pump.. and we had bad water pressure..
This is a brand spankin' new tank.. and it was waterlogged.. .. tank drained, pumped up and I'm in business.
Nothing more irritating than having 5 days of camping laundry and no water.. argghhh..


I should have asked if the pump was cycling - turning on and off rapidly. That would have been a dead giveaway.

[arod]

THAT's what I was most afraid of..


Pulling out 60' of pipe isn't that hard, if it's plastic pipe. Of course in your area, you might have a pitless adapter or some such because of the frost line, which I've never dealt with.

If you ever have to replace the pump, consider a 3-wire submersible. No foot valve or ejector to get plugged up, and more energy-efficient.

[ponygurl]

Pulling out 60' of pipe isn't that hard, if it's plastic pipe. Of course in your area, you might have a pitless adapter or some such because of the frost line, which I've never dealt with.

If you ever have to replace the pump, consider a 3-wire submersible. No foot valve or ejector to get plugged up, and more energy-efficient.

I have helped pull up the pipe.. it's a double thingy..
I was not impressed the time I did help.. it was November and cold as a witch's tit out.. my hands were frozen and the whole pipe was covered with this reddish.. slime.... :-X ;D

[I-RIGHT-I]

I have helped pull up the pipe.. it's a double thingy..
I was not impressed the time I did help.. it was November and cold as a witch's tit out.. my hands were frozen and the whole pipe was covered with this reddish.. slime.... :-X ;D


I could tell you how to fix this but you've pissed me off. Call your ex.

[ponygurl]

I could tell you how to fix this but you've pissed me off. Call your ex.

He'd like you. He is a lot like you.. he spouts off bullshit , thinks he knows it all, lives thinking he's god's gift to women and never thinks he's wrong.

Oh.. and i piss him off too.. *snort* ;D

[I-RIGHT-I]

He'd like you. He is a lot like you.. he spouts off bullshit , thinks he knows it all, lives thinking he's god's gift to women and never thinks he's wrong.

Oh.. and i piss him off too.. *snort* ;D


I don't know it all but I know a lot. Not only that but I can get you distributor's cost on all of the material and provide the design. When the mechanical engineer's who supervise the Guido's of the world can't figure it out they call me.

PS...I give "special rates" to lonely, helpless and defenseless women living out there all alone in the wilderness. Send me $ 100.00 US and a full lenght photo and I'll provide a turnkey price for a new system. Don't forget the photo as that will go a long way in determining the final installed price including supervised start-up. 8)

[WCP]

I don't know it all but I know a lot. 8)


NorNec's taught me more than you have.

Oh, yes...and before you aske me "What's that?"

It ain't squat.

The only difference between you and NorNec is that you hate people of the "walking dead persuasion" more than he does.

Praise Jesus.

[guido]

[color=Purple]I don't know it all but I know a lot. Not only that but I can get you distributor's cost on all of the material and provide the design. When the mechanical engineer's who supervise the Guido's of the world can't figure it out they call me.

What do they call you for? To tell you your idea wasn't worth a crap?

[ponygurl]

What do they call you for? To tell you your idea wasn't worth a crap?



He's the parts boy at Home Depot. ;D

[I-RIGHT-I]

What do they call you for? To tell you your idea wasn't worth a crap?


See for yourself. Next time you have a steam, water, air or liquified gas, generation, distribution, recovery or process problem let me know. If I can't fix it I'll fix it so it can't be fixed. ;D

[guido]

See for yourself. Next time you have a steam, water, air or liquified gas, generation, distribution, recovery or process problem let me know. If I can't fix it I'll fix it so it can't be fixed. ;D


Ah........a fix it till it's broke kind of guy. You'd fit right in

[I-RIGHT-I]

Ah........a fix it till it's broke kind of guy. You'd fit right in


You should be nice to me. Not only have I pulled your asses from innumerable cracks but I've bought a lot of beer and pizza for you guys. "You guys" = facility maintenance on some of the biggest campus' in the country. I've never been to Notre Dame but I'd like to. Any additions or upgrades to the physical plant coming up?

[guido]

You should be nice to me. Not only have I pulled your asses from innumerable cracks but I've bought a lot of beer and pizza for you guys. "You guys" = facility maintenance on some of the biggest campus' in the country. I've never been to Notre Dame but I'd like to. Any additions or upgrades to the physical plant coming up?


None that I've heard of. ND had haulted construction of any kind through the end of last winter. They had a spell of almost a year with no construction of remodeling whatsoever.

That's changed since the economy has gotten better, but the jobs that are going right now are jobs that were in the planning two years ago, so there's a lot of catch up going on.

They have kicked around the idea of adding their own waste water treatment plant but they've yet to propose a viable plan.