Immediate Help Needed - Please Read

[Tiger]

This isn't for me, of course. It's for a friend who is going to be given a drug test to get a job.

This friend might have smoked pot within the last 48 hours.

What can this friend do to pass the drug test? Any foolproof methods?

This friend has heard of niacin being of help.

If anyone knows about this - my friend would really appreciate knowing.

Maybe you have a friend whom this has happened to?

HELP!!!!!

[Tiger]

Poppy seeds? Yikes.

Someone out there MUST know something. How long does pot stay in a body?

[kathleen]

HELP!!!!!


There are some things sold in "head" shops (if you even have those anymore) that are suppose to work OK.

I've heard stories about sneaking in some "clean" urine but most testers are warned to look for things like this.

I can't help. I've never been tested. I've worked for both provincial and federal gov't departments, had to go through a RCMP security clearance both times, yet never had to go through a drug test.

Lucky, I guess. ;D

[ilovelucy]

Why does your friend have to take the test?

[kathleen]

How long does pot stay in a body?


A hair follicle test can detect the presence of marijuana months (up to 9 months, I think) after the event.

A urine test isn't that accurate.

[Tiger]

Why does your friend have to take the test?



It is a job with a company that is contracted by the Federal Govt. and deals with the handling of narcotics. Im not sure why the Fed's are a part of it - but they are. The sneaking in urine thing is interesting - they don't watch you pee do they?

Head shops - I think there is one in Hutch.

[kathleen]

6 to 8 weeks.

Did you have a urine test?

[Tiger]

A hair follicle test can detect the presence of marijuana months (up to 9 months, I think) after the event.

A urine test isn't that accurate.




Oh lovely. So my friend needs to shave their head, I guess. :-\

[Tiger]

6 to 8 weeks. When I was tested for SAIC for my security clearance I stayed clear of my neighbor who is like always smoking that stuff. Hanging out with her was Reefer Madness.



Did you pass the test? Was it a hair one?

[kathleen]

they don't watch you pee do they?

Sometimes they do (or so I've been told). :)

[Tiger]

Oh yea I passed but it was a urine test. I didnt smoke any tho. Just being around her you can test positive. SERIOUSLY she smokes like mad.



Second hand THC - I've heard about that.

I wonder if anything else would give a positive reading? Something that could be blamed if the test came out positive?

[Tiger]

Sometimes they do (or so I've been told). :)



Lovely. :-[

[ponygurl]

Just my opinion here.. and I'm sure Tiger will correct me if I'm wrong..
The Feds want a person who doesn't smoke pot for a reason. The job deals with drugs. They don't want a user in the postition.
Secondly,if the person is willing to hide the test results, it is a dishonest person. They don't want a dishonest person in the position.
I don't think your friend is the man (or woman) for the job.
:)

[NorNec]

Just my opinion here.. and I'm sure Tiger will correct me if I'm wrong..
The Feds want a person who doesn't smoke pot for a reason. The job deals with drugs. They don't want a user in the postition.
Secondly,if the person is willing to hide the test results, it is a dishonest person. They don't want a dishonest person in the position.
I don't think your friend is the man (or woman) for the job.
:)




You beat me to this. Having a person that uses drugs, lies to cover it up, cheats...
Hey, is your friend Bill Clinton?

[ponygurl]

You beat me to this. Having a person that uses drugs, lies to cover it up, cheats...
Hey, is your friend Bill Clinton?

To me it's a no brainer.. but then I expect people to be what they say they are.

[ponygurl]

Yep we even do drug testing if the case merits it at my place now. They know they are subject to it when they sign their employee handbook. I dont take drugs other than my asthma drugs and will have maybe a Corona once every 2 or 3 weeks. I dont think any employers want to hire someone with distorted senses. If you are paying good money for someone to do a job you want it done right.

Yep, and that can get their asses in there on time everyday.

[truelies]

Yep we even do drug testing if the case merits it at my place now. They know they are subject to it when they sign their employee handbook. I dont take drugs other than my asthma drugs and will have maybe a Corona once every 2 or 3 weeks. I dont think any employers want to hire someone with distorted senses. If you are paying good money for someone to do a <A TITLE="Click for more information about job" STYLE="text-decoration: none; border-bottom: medium solid green;" HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||job|AA1VDw">job</A> you want it done right.



But, But in this particular case would not a Drug that relieves intense PMS in Staff be a Good Thing, Business Casewise???????????

;)

Just trying to help.

[NorNec]

To me it's a no brainer.. but then I expect people to be what they say they are.



Not to pick on anyone here, but have our morales sunk to the point we are willing to help someone do another illegal act to cover a previous one?

[ponygurl]

Not to pick on anyone here, but have our morales sunk to the point we are willing to help someone do another illegal act to cover a previous one?

Yes.

[ponygurl]

But, But in this particular case would not a Drug that relieves intense PMS in Staff be a Good Thing, Business Casewise???????????

;)

Just trying to help.

Are you trying to be an asshole truelies, darling? :)

[ponygurl]

Im thinking of only having them be contracted to work 3 weeks a month. Hiring extra staff. Figure if they make my life hell they can earn one weeks pay less.

You oughta have 4 daughters.. holy shit. :o ;D

Do you have any menopausal women Julianna? Yikes!
I work with two, and when they can actually LEAVE the bathroom, they are that damn sour.. ;D

[ponygurl]

Not any more. We had one and I sent her packing because she kept coming to work late or not showing up and I got tired of cancelling or having to reschedule her appointments. She called in sick 5 times in her first 75 days. She did not make her 90 day probation. Then I had another one who picked fights with everyone, she gossiped, whined, she quit because I wouldnt listen to her ranting. (talk to the hand) She also was with us less than 90 days. I hate having so many women on my staff. I keep looking to hire men but I dont blame men for not wanting to work with so many women. Gay men are even worse than women sometimes....

I was gonna say.. aren't gay men operating on the same wavelength? ;D
Who interviews? Can you not get a gut instinct when you interview if they are whiners ? I'm pretty good off the cuff and I can usually get a pretty good handle on people the first time I meet them.

[Tiger]

Just my opinion here.. and I'm sure Tiger will correct me if I'm wrong..

I will. And you are. ;)


The Feds want a person who doesn't smoke pot for a reason. The job deals with drugs. They don't want a user in the postition.

What constitutes a "user"? There is a lot of presumption in that statement. Should everyone who has smoked pot once or twice in the last few years be construed a "user"?



Secondly,if the person is willing to hide the test results, it is a dishonest person. They don't want a dishonest person in the position.
I don't think your friend is the man (or woman) for the job.
:)



Suppose for an instant, if you can get off you self-righteous high-horse - that the person is highly qualified for the position, and is not any kind of habitual user - but smoked pot recently - not as a habitual thing - but in a social setting - that was very rare.

There are many things that constitute 'dishonesty'. I suppose one could call a person who 'vowed' to stay with another "till death do us part" dishonest if they did not keep that vow.

Would you immediately discredit that person?

How about someone who tells the teacher the child is ill - when they really are not?

There are many many instances that can be construed as 'dishonest' - but what you are suggesting here is that the person is not right for the job - when in acuality you have no idea what kind of person it is.

I think you better go back to bed and get out on the other side.

[ponygurl]

My my you are snippy when someone disagrees with your opinion Tiger.
I am a very happy camper this morning. I have no need to " get out on the other side".
My concern with your friend is that they are willing to lie on a job application.
Like I said.. my opinion.
I'm sure your friend will do as they see fit.
Carry on.. :)

[Tiger]

My my you are snippy when someone disagrees with your opinion Tiger.
I am a very happy camper this morning. I have no need to " get out on the other side".
My concern with your friend is that they are willing to lie on a job application.
Like I said.. my opinion.
I'm sure your friend will do as they see fit.
Carry on.. :)



I'm not being snippy - but folks who think they can judge a person when they don't know them - are aggravating, to say the least.

This is a thread asking for help and advice - not a holier-than-thou attitude.

But - I'm glad you are in a good mood - I'd hate to see you in a bad one. No wonder your ex wanted to get a little on the side.

<just kidding> ;)

[ponygurl]

I'm not being snippy - but folks who think they can judge a person when they don't know them - are aggravating, to say the least.

This is a thread asking for help and advice - not a holier-than-thou attitude.

But - I'm glad you are in a good mood - I'd hate to see you in a bad one. No wonder your ex wanted to get a little on the side.

<just kidding> ;)

Fuck off Tiger.

[Persephone]

Why would someone who normally doesn't smoke pot do so at a party when he/she is looking for a job? Lots of jobs require drug testing these days. That was only to be expected.

[Tiger]

Fuck off Tiger.



Gee, you're snippy.

[ponygurl]

But - I'm glad you are in a good mood - I'd hate to see you in a bad one. No wonder your ex wanted to get a little on the side.

<just kidding> ;)

Once again Tiger shows her true colours.
Is there anyone or anything you will not stoop yourself low enough to say Tiger?
Comments like this reduce you Tiger.

[Tiger]

Why would someone who normally doesn't smoke pot do so at a party when he/she is looking for a job? Lots of jobs require drug testing these days. That was only to be expected.





She has a job. She did not expect this one to be offered to her, but it is a chance that rarely comes along.

It was a lake party last weekend, her parents were keeping her kids - she smoked with the group.

Not only does she not smoke regularly - but she hasn't gotten a chance to even get away and do something since she took a part time job to supplement her full-time one. The timing is not optimal - but it is what we're dealing with.

It really shouldnt' matter - she is a great person. She needs the job. She deserves the job. Her kids deserve a better life.

I'll do what I can to help.

If others want to sit in judgement - they can.

[Tiger]

Once again Tiger shows her true colours.
Is there anyone or anything you will not stoop yourself low enough to say Tiger?
Comments like this reduce you Tiger.




My true colors?

Maybe you ought to look in a mirror before you speak.

Before you go calling others 'dishonest' without knowing them...

[kathleen]

I don't think your friend is the man (or woman) for the job.


Marijuana drug testing is an insidious, extremely inaccurate way of determining the worthiness of a potential employee. Not only do the tests not pinpoint the exact time the drug was taken (was it during the weekend or during work hours) but cannot tell the tester the circumstances of the event (one toke off a joint 6 months ago shouldn't be enough to disqualify an applicant from a job opportunity).

The way the drug tests are run now a barely functional hard-core alcoholic has a better chance of getting this job than an occasional marijuana user. Is this right? Can the alcoholic be a better choice?

But I do agree with you on the honesty thing. Personally, I would probably just admit that I am a marijuana user and take my chances than try to hid the fact that I do use. I'd feel better about myself. But, on the other hand, I understand why some people feel compelled to hide their habit. The system is screwing them big time.

Again, not all marijuana users are deadbeat losers. The vast majority of us do get to work on time, are able to put in a good day's work and satisfy our employers with our commitment and dependability.

So there. ;D

[Tiger]

Thank you, kathleen. :)

There is not a chance in Hell that she will get the job if she does not pass the test.

[kathleen]

It really shouldnt' matter - she is a great person. She needs the job. She deserves the job. Her kids deserve a better life.

Any idea taken to an extreme is always wrong. A general anti-drug policy is not necessarily a bad thing but a zero tolerance policy is.

Because the current technology allows us to determine that a person has used marijuana in the last 6 months but not when or where or under what circumstance and not even if the user is a regular or occasional user, marijuana drug testing continues to be a very poor tool to determine personality.

[ponygurl]

Point made Kathleen. Thank you for making it in a respectful, non hurtful manner.
I appreciate your integrity. And I can see your point.
My apologies to Tiger's friend.

[WCP]

Anyone who takes drugs and applies for a position where the company requires drug testing is an idiot.

I say send them back to flipping burgers.

[Persephone]

I agree that it would be unfair for someone who normally doesn't do any kind of drug to get zapped on a job because of a rare smoke at a party.

But does disagreeing with the law make it right for a person to lie or cover up?

That's a very legit question.

[kathleen]

Thank you, kathleen. :)

There is not a chance in Hell that she will get the job if she does not pass the test.

I know. And that is unfortunate. Another thing that hasn't been mentioned is that mistakes are made on drug tests all the time. It's been found that the number of false positives are unusually high. That is why testers have started to ask for a list of your medications and sometimes ask questions about your diet and other lifestyle choices. Which I find all very intrusive and invasive. As if the drug testing isn't bad enough. ::)

[ponygurl]

I can see Kathlen's point.. alcohol abuse can be just as detrimental to an employees.. the point is.. Pot is ILLEGAL.. alcohol isn't.
The friend is applying for a gov't position.. they do not want someone who partakes in illegal activity.
Maybe this is a problem with the laws..

[Tiger]

Point made Kathleen. Thank you for making it in a respectful, non hurtful manner.
I appreciate your integrity. And I can see your point.
My apologies to Tiger's friend.



My apologies to you.

[ponygurl]

My apologies to you.

Noted.

[WCP]

I can see Kathlen's point.. alcohol abuse can be just as detrimental to an employees.. the point is.. Pot is ILLEGAL.. alcohol isn't.
The friend is applying for a gov't position.. they do not want someone who partakes in illegal activity.
Maybe this is a problem with the laws..



Pot is only illegal to sell. It is not illegal to smoke.

[kathleen]

But does disagreeing with the law make it right for a person to lie or cover up?

That's a very legit question.


Indeed.

Depends how you look at it. Whether you are a person that goes along to get along (the government has made a law and even if I don't agree with it I will respect it because a law is a law) or a person that is more rebellious (the gov't is totally wrong with this law so fuck them - let the revolution begin). ;D

[Persephone]

Pot is only illegal to sell. It is not illegal to smoke.


In California.

[ponygurl]

Pot is only illegal to sell. It is not illegal to smoke.

You do not have possession laws?

[WCP]

In California.


Tell me...how is any other state, even with a gaschromatograph intoximeter going to determine "under the influence" of a narcotic substance such as marijuana great enough to be measured an impairment?

That's what's illegal. That's why no one gets put in the tank for being stoned on pot.

[Tiger]

Okay, okay.

The gal could pass on the job - not be tested - and stay in her current position - but how does that help her? Her kids?

She didnt' expect to be offered a shot at this job - an insider got her foot in the door for her.

Of course, had she known this would come up - I doubt she would have smoked pot. She didn't.

She is far from an idiot, despite BNs assertion.

She is in a bad situation.

She has a couple of options. Stay down in the life she has now - or try to get past the test - and have a better one.

Sure, pot is illegal - but so is driving over the speed limit.

Should folks who have gotten a speeding ticket be exempt from a better life?

And let me clarify - this is NOT a govt job, this is a job where the company has contracted with the Feds. I don't know how.

But, the gal is no thief. She is NOT going to steal anything. She made a mistake. I don't think it should cost her a shot at a better life.

[WCP]

You do not have possession laws?


Yes. You have to be in possession of MORE than an ounce for it be determined that you are in possession of the drug with the intent to sell.

[Persephone]

Tell me...how is any other state, even with a gaschromatograph intoximeter going to determine "under the influence" of a narcotic substance such as marijuana great enough to be measured an impairment?

That's what's illegal. That's why no one gets put in the tank for being stoned on pot.


If you had a car accident and killed someone and tested positive for pot, you don't think they'd nail your ass for that?

[ponygurl]

Yes. You have to be in possession of MORE than an ounce for it be determined that you are in possession of the drug with the intent to sell.

Gotcha..

[WCP]

Okay, okay.

The gal could pass on the job - not be tested - and stay in her current position - but how does that help her? Her kids?

Fuck her and her kids. She's the one that made the decision to take a hit. No one else.

She doesn't deserve that job. She may need it, but she surely doesn't deserve it and I think the kids should be told why their lifestyle is remaining the same because mommy smoked pot.

A perfect example of a life lesson.

[Tiger]

Seriously, guys, I understand the feelings that some of you have, and I shouldnt' have jumped on Pony - that was a mistake. I hadn't given enough information for anyone to make a fair determination - but if ANY of you knew this person - you would pull out all stops to help her.

[kathleen]

Pot is ILLEGAL.. alcohol isn't.

This is the point I hope people start using the brains God gave them. Because a law is a law does it make it right? In some states there are still laws on the books which make oral sex (even between a married couple) illegal. Would you agree that people should be penalized for breaking this law because "the law is the law"?

Maybe this is a problem with the laws........

I would say. ;D

[Tiger]

Fuck her and her kids. She's the one that made the decision to take a hit. No one else.

She doesn't deserve that job. She may need it, but she surely doesn't deserve it and I think the kids should be told why their lifestyle is remaining the same because mommy smoked pot.

A perfect example of a life lesson.



You're not often dead wrong - but today you are. ;)

[WCP]

Seriously, guys, I understand the feelings that some of you have, and I shouldnt' have jumped on Pony - that was a mistake. I hadn't given enough information for anyone to make a fair determination - but if ANY of you knew this person - you would pull out all stops to help her.




I wouldn't. She hasn't adhered to "the rules" of the company she wants to work for.

No mercy.

[WCP]

You're not often dead wrong - but today you are. ;)


I'm dead right.

[Persephone]

The drug policies at my job are written so that even taking Sudafed at work could be cause for dismissal. Everyone breaks them on a regular basis. But that's no real protection for anyone who happened to get called on the carpet for it.

They've never done drug testing before, but there is nothing to say they couldn't...even with no real notice.

I don't smoke pot on a regular basis or do any kind of drug. Maybe two or three times a year I might share someone else's pot. If I happened to be tested, maybe I'd test positive, and maybe I wouldn't. If I did test positive, and they took action against me for it, I'd consider it unfair. But who would I have to blame?

[kathleen]

I'm dead right.


I think you make a good point. As much as I am anti-drug testing, I am a big believer in "you make your bed, you lie in it".

She can try to cheat on the drug test or not. Her choice.

[Tiger]

I wouldn't. She hasn't adhered to "the rules" of the company she wants to work for.

No mercy.



How so?

As far as I know - she has signed nothing saying she would not try to "study" for her test.

What rules has she broken?

[WCP]

If your employer says you can't take drugs (even when not in the employ of their company) and the drug happens to be "illicit" or "illegal," they have every right in the world to look after their best interests, i.e. lawsuits because Mary Jane FUBAR'd the computer system (or any number of instances) by not hiring her.

[WCP]

How so?

As far as I know - she has signed nothing saying she would not try to "study" for her test.

What rules has she broken?




The company rules. They say "We will not hire anyone who has drug residue in their system."

[Tiger]

The drug policies at my job are written so that even taking Sudafed at work could be cause for dismissal. Everyone breaks them on a regular basis. But that's no real protection for anyone who happened to get called on the carpet for it.

They've never done drug testing before, but there is nothing to say they couldn't...even with no real notice.

I don't smoke pot on a regular basis or do any kind of drug. Maybe two or three times a year I might share someone else's pot. If I happened to be tested, maybe I'd test positive, and maybe I wouldn't. If I did test positive, and they took action against me for it, I'd consider it unfair. But who would I have to blame?



I smoke pot occasionally - but I need not hide it - I own the fucking company. ;D Not like I'm going to fire myself.

But - if we disagree with the premise of a law - should or should we not strictly adhere to it.

There is a larger issue here than I wanted to discuss.

I simply wanted to know of ways to pass a drug test.

Suddenly this has become a moral issue.

It has become so difficult in the work force these days. Men are getting fired for innocent comments that some gal construed as "sexual harrassment".

It is natural for a person to try and defend themself. I believe we even have an ammendment that one may call upon so as not to incriminate oneself.

But - then there is another side - the one of being a human.

[Tiger]

The company rules. They say "We will not hire anyone who has drug residue in their system."



And if there is no residue in the system.......?

That's my point.

[WCP]

This "rule" must be important to them because it costs hundreds of dollars to perform on each prospective employee.

She should look elsewhere...or stop smoking pot or for that matter hanging around with known pot smokers until she gets the job...further, even after she gets the job...if she wants to keep the job.

Hard cheese, huh?

Very controlling and invasive, isn't it?

Tough shit. They're paying the bills. Don't like it? Go out and compete with that company.

[WCP]

And if there is no residue in the system.......?

That's my point.


Well, then this discussion would be ridiculous if there is no residue in the system.

[Tiger]

If your employer says you can't take drugs (even when not in the employ of their company) and the drug happens to be "illicit" or "illegal," they have every right in the world to look after their best interests, i.e. lawsuits because Mary Jane FUBAR'd the computer system (or any number of instances) by not hiring her.



She is NOT in their employ. This was before a chance at a job there was even a possibility.

[Tiger]

Well, then this discussion would be ridiculous if there is no residue in the system.



Brings me right back to my original query.

How do we get the residue out?

[WCP]

She is NOT in their employ. This was before a chance at a job there was even a possibility.




I think it's safe for a company to assume if an employee comes in and has smoked pot in the past that there is no reason for them to believe that they will immediately stop once they get on the payroll.

[Persephone]

I'm more of a Thoreau on this one. Civil disobedience is great...if you are willing to face the consequences of standing up for what you believe.

[WCP]

Brings me right back to my original query.

How do we get the residue out?


Oh.

Well, the answer to that would be...."You can't."

So, I suppose we should stick with the facts.

[Tiger]

There is also a 'loyalty' factor here.

[Tiger]

I think it's safe for a company to assume if an employee comes in and has smoked pot in the past that there is no reason for them to believe that they will immediately stop once they get on the payroll.




The company can assume until they are blue in the face - I know better - that is why I asked for help.

[WCP]

Oh.

Well, the answer to that would be...."You can't."

So, I suppose we should stick with the facts.


Let me restate that.

You CAN get the residue out...it takes time. How much time? Unknown. Every body is different.

[Tiger]

Oh.

Well, the answer to that would be...."You can't."

So, I suppose we should stick with the facts.


Others here have said it IS possible. That is what I am looking for - that information.

[WCP]

There is also a 'loyalty' factor here.




If it was that great a "factor," they would waive the drug testing.

[wendy]

I'm more of a Thoreau on this one. Civil disobedience is great...if you are willing to face the consequences of standing up for what you believe.


Yep.

Very few people are willing to actually take responsibility for their actions.

[WCP]

Others here have said it IS possible. That is what I am looking for - that information.


They are wrong.

[kathleen]

I'm more of a Thoreau on this one. Civil disobedience is great...if you are willing to face the consequences of standing up for what you believe.


I agree.

[Tiger]

Let me restate that.

You CAN get the residue out...it takes time. How much time? Unknown. Every body is different.



I have no idea how much time she has. She will go in today to fill out the ap - and have an interview.

Her body is kinda plump - not fat, probably 5' 4" and about 125. Size 8 to 10.

They said she did not smoke a lot and that was Sunday - 5 days ago.

If it has to build up over a period of times in her system - to register - they won't find it. But if it only takes a tiny amount - she could be sunk.

[WCP]

They are wrong.


I take that back.

You can get it out of your system by a complete blood transfusion, replacing every organ in your body, including your brain, all of your hair.

Better be a pretty decent paying job to go to those extremes, however.

[Tiger]

If it was that great a "factor," they would waive the drug testing.



Not to them - to me. They won't help her - I will.

[kathleen]

They are wrong.


I heard it may be possible but I have no first hand knowledge of it myself.

There are some products made for the specific purpose of removing the residue but there are limits to how well they work (if they even work). As far as I know, there is nothing that can be done about the hair follicle test (except to shave your whole body bare perhaps).

[Tiger]

I take that back.

You can get it out of your system by a complete blood transfusion, replacing every organ in your body, including your brain, all of your hair.

Better be a pretty decent paying job to go to those extremes, however.



And just HOW, may I ask, do you know this?

[WCP]

But if it only takes a tiny amount - she could be sunk.


If THC registers on their meters, it means she's smoked pot. It only takes a trace amount these days.

These labs know exactly what to look for. They've had years of experience with people trying to "tweak" the system with their magic cocktails.

[Tiger]

I heard it may be possible but I have no first hand knowledge of it myself.

There are some products made for the specific purpose of removing the residue but there are limits to how well they work (if they even work). As far as I know, there is nothing that can be done about the hair follicle test (except to shave your whole body bare perhaps).



The follicles would still be there under the skin. ;)

[wendy]

Tiger, the more body fat you have, the more "storage space". Since she smoked pot fairly recently, I doubt she has a chance of getting it out of her system.

[Tiger]

If THC registers on their meters, it means she's smoked pot. It only takes a trace amount these days.

These labs know exactly what to look for. They've had years of experience with people trying to "tweak" the system with their magic cocktails.



Then she will not get the job.

[kathleen]

The follicles would still be there under the skin. ;)


I think you need the follicle and the hair for the test to work.

[WCP]

And just HOW, may I ask, do you know this?


Let's see...30 years of experience with gaschromatograph intoximeters, blood analyses, hundreds of depositions with Ph.D.'s in the field of expertise of determining "under the influence of illicit and illegal drugs."

I've taken the testimony of the guy who established the legal limits of under the influence of alcohol and drugs in California about 100 times in felony matters...

There have been other cases...

[Tiger]

Tiger, the more body fat you have, the more "storage space". Since she smoked pot fairly recently, I doubt she has a chance of getting it out of her system.



Then it may be best at this point for her not to chance it. From what I understand they have a policy of not allowing anyone to reapply for two years if they test positive. And I don't think, even then, they would hire her.

Maybe the best thing to do is wait it out and see if she can get another chance in a few months, as unlikely as that is.

[Persephone]

COMMON WAYS TRIED BY DRUG-USERS TO BEAT A DRUG TEST

Using commercial "screens" (marketed everywhere, including all over the Internet) like Goldenseal, QuickKlean, or Mary Jane Super Clean 13. They do little more than dilute a sample. Any of them will "flag" the urine sample at the lab as "tampered-with". Under U.S. Department of Transportation regulations, D.O.T -covered employees whose sample is determined to be tampered with are automatically reported as "positive" on their drug test and they must be immediately removed from their positions by their employer.

Drinking vinegar. It will lower the pH of urine, giving the lab evidence of tampering. Drinking enough to sufficiently "mask" a sample causes violent diarrhea (just what the druggie deserves).

"Doping" samples with soap, salt, eye drops, or some other substance. These techniques also flag the sample as "tampered-with".

Total Myths About What Will Help Cheat a Drug Test

Eating red meat will raise creatinine levels in a diluted sample. (Wrong!)

Dog urine can be substituted to pass a drug test. (Wrong!)

Stealing your specimen from the lab will prevent them from processing the results. (The invalid theory being, labs never admit they lose specimens, so they would report your test as negative and you'd get hired anyway.) Wrong!

Increasing your metabolism will reduce the amount of time a drug can be detected in your system, and, eating a high calorie diet and starting an intense exercise program will do the same. (Wrong on both counts!)

This year, approximately 2,200,000 drug tests results will come back from the labs reported as "positive" for one or more drugs. A greater percentage of those this year than last year will be from cheaters who tried to "pass" and were not successful. Cheaters will be caught during the specimen collection process or they will be discovered by the lab. As specimen collection procedures and lab analysis technology improves, it will be an even a greater percentage who are caught trying to cheat next year and the next.

http://www.ohsinc.com/cheat_cheating_drug_tests.htm

[Tiger]

I think you need the follicle and the hair for the test to work.



LOL - I bet no one would hire a totally hairless gal. Can you imagine?

[Persephone]

If she's caught trying to cheat a drug test, she'll never get a job.

[Tiger]

Let's see...30 years of experience with gaschromatograph intoximeters, blood analyses, hundreds of depositions with Ph.D.'s in the field of expertise of determining "under the influence of illicit and illegal drugs."

I've taken the testimony of the guy who established the legal limits of under the influence of alcohol and drugs in California about 100 times in felony matters...

There have been other cases...




well, okay. That's pretty impressive, although I didn't understand a word of it.....

[Tiger]

If she's caught trying to cheat a drug test, she'll never get a job.


I'm sure that is true.

[WCP]

well, okay. That's pretty impressive, although I didn't understand a word of it.....


The bottom line, Tiger, is if she took a hit off of a blunt, there will be residue in her system for a while. How long "a while" is is indeterminate as each person passes the "substance" out of their bodies at different intervals of time.

Honesty is the best policy ~lonestar


:)

[WCP]

I think we are all in agreement over this statement:

If you intend on applying for a job where you will be tested for drugs, don't use drugs.

Hell, I figured that out and I'm stupid. ::)

[Tiger]

The bottom line, Tiger, is if she took a hit off of a blunt, there will be residue in her system for a while. How long "a while" is is indeterminate as each person passes the "substance" out of their bodies at different intervals of time.



WEll, it sounds as if she does not stand a chance. Failing the test would be worse than not taking it.

I'll let her know - but it is a sad thing.

[WCP]

Honesty is the best policy ~lonestar


:)


You could use that approach I suppose. Be upfront with the employer..."Say, I went to a party a couple of weeks ago and someone made me smoke it."

Just say no ~ Nancy Reagan


:)

[Tiger]

I think we are all in agreement over this statement:

If you intend on applying for a job where you will be tested for drugs, don't use drugs.

Hell, I figured that out and I'm stupid. ::)



Had she known - I am sure she would not have. But that is a moot point now.

[WCP]

WEll, it sounds as if she does not stand a chance. Failing the test would be worse than not taking it.

I'll let her know - but it is a sad thing.


I wonder if she'll appreciate the irony of all of this, the consequences of getting high and will take a different approach in the future?

[Tiger]

Just say no ~ Nancy Reagan


:)



Tell everyone else to say "no" - but then do it, yourself ~~ Rush

[WCP]

Had she known - I am sure she would not have. But that is a moot point now.


Which brings us back to my point a page or two back.

It's a life lesson.

[Tiger]

I wonder if she'll appreciate the irony of all of this, the consequences of getting high and will take a different approach in the future?




I'm sure she will. They nearly had to drag her kicking and screaming to get her to go with them this weekend, and now, when she loses the chance to have one, instead of two jobs, I think it is likely she will not only never smoke it again - but never associate with those folks again. One of them is my daughter.

[Tiger]

Which brings us back to my point a page or two back.

It's a life lesson.



Life. It sucks.

[WCP]

I'm sure she will. They nearly had to drag her kicking and screaming to get her to go with them this weekend, and now, when she loses the chance to have one, instead of two jobs, I think it is likely she will not only never smoke it again - but never associate with those folks again. One of them is my daughter.


Know what I'd do? If it was that great of a job, I'd go to an independent lab and have myself tested to see what the results would be. It's gonna cost a couple of hundred bucks.

[Persephone]

You can buy a home drug testing kit at Walgreens.

[kathleen]

I'd go to an independent lab......

That's exactly what I was thinking.

[WCP]

You can buy a home drug testing kit at Walgreens.


::)

[Tiger]

Know what I'd do? If it was that great of a job, I'd go to an independent lab and have myself tested to see what the results would be. It's gonna cost a couple of hundred bucks.



That's an idea. :)

[Persephone]

::)


It doesn't sound like she has the money for independent labs to me.

[WCP]

It doesn't sound like she has the money for independent labs to me.


That's unfortunate. A $3.95 Test-Yer-Kid-Fer-Pot-Kit ain't gonna compare to the analyses the lab will do.

[Observer]

I had to stop reading this on page 5. It is about the most ridiculous thread I have ever read on any forum.

Tiger's "friend" committed an illegal act that if discovered will keep her from getting some job she wants and Tiger wants to conceal her crime to help her cheat the system.

She uses the rationale that "She's really a good person and it was just a little crime and she wouldn't have done it if she knew she was going to get caught" as justification to help her avoid the consequences of her actions.

What a pile of buffalo dung.

It doesn't matter whether you support or oppose current laws regarding the use of marijuana. The simple fact is that it is illegal. She used it anyway. Now she wants to cover her crime and circumvent the copmpany's hiring policies.

Who would want an employee like that? There are some real integrity issues here... not just for the job candidate, either.

[WCP]

I think since it was Tiger's kid who was present with the people smoking, she should pay for it. ;D

[Tiger]

It doesn't sound like she has the money for independent labs to me.



I don't think she does, but I feel really responsible - she was with my kid - and my kid instigated part of this. They came to me yesterday - maybe I should pay for it.

I know I am not legally responsible for my kid's stupidity since she is legal age - but I always feel responsible. Goes with the 'being a mom' territory, I guess. I will check on the test OTC, first. If she flunks that one - I think we should throw in the towel.

I called - she is already gone to the interview. I hope they don't test her before I talk to her.

[Persephone]

That's unfortunate. A $3.95 Test-Yer-Kid-Fer-Pot-Kit ain't gonna compare to the analyses the lab will do.


I'm sure it won't, but paying a lab may not even be an option for someone who is struggling to get by.

[WCP]

I had to stop reading this on page 5. It is about the most ridiculous thread I have ever read on any forum.

Tiger's "friend" committed an illegal act that if discovered will keep her from getting some job she wants and Tiger wants to conceal her crime to help her cheat the system.

She uses the rationale that "She's really a good person and it was just a little crime and she wouldn't have done it if she knew she was going to get caught" as justification to help her avoid the consequences of her actions.

What a pile of buffalo dung.

It doesn't matter whether you support or oppose current laws regarding the use of marijuana. The simple fact is that it is illegal. She used it anyway. Now she wants to cover her crime and circumvent the copmpany's hiring policies.

Who would want an employee like that? There are some real integrity issues here... not just for the job candidate, either.




Well, I'm certain she's a nice person...

[Persephone]

I think since it was Tiger's kid who was present with the people smoking, she should pay for it. ;D


;D

[Tiger]

I had to stop reading this on page 5. It is about the most ridiculous thread I have ever read on any forum.

Tiger's "friend" committed an illegal act that if discovered will keep her from getting some job she wants and Tiger wants to conceal her crime to help her cheat the system.

She uses the rationale that "She's really a good person and it was just a little crime and she wouldn't have done it if she knew she was going to get caught" as justification to help her avoid the consequences of her actions.

What a pile of buffalo dung.

It doesn't matter whether you support or oppose current laws regarding the use of marijuana. The simple fact is that it is illegal. She used it anyway. Now she wants to cover her crime and circumvent the copmpany's hiring policies.

Who would want an employee like that? There are some real integrity issues here... not just for the job candidate, either.





That is a pretty judgemental attitude. You should have read further.

How can I maintain my crush on you when you are so mean?

[WCP]

I don't think she does, but I feel really responsible - she was with my kid - and my kid instigated part of this. They came to me yesterday - maybe I should pay for it.

I know I am not legally responsible for my kid's stupidity since she is legal age - but I always feel responsible. Goes with the 'being a mom' territory, I guess. I will check on the test OTC, first. If she flunks that one - I think we should throw in the towel.

I called - she is already gone to the interview. I hope they don't test her before I talk to her.


Oh, shit!! Now if she fails the test, you're going to feel awful!! :o

[Tiger]

Well, I'm certain she's a nice person...



She is an incredible person. Lots of guts and initiative in a world that has dealt her more than a couple nasty blows.

Yes, dammit, I should pay for the fricking test. I am so pissed at my daughter - usually she is pretty sensible - but she fucked this one up royally.

[Tiger]

Oh, shit!! Now if she fails the test, you're going to feel awful!! :o



I feel like shit, already. :(

[WCP]

She is an incredible person. Lots of guts and initiative in a world that has dealt her more than a couple nasty blows.

Yes, dammit, I should pay for the fricking test. I am so pissed at my daughter - usually she is pretty sensible - but she fucked this one up royally.


I don't think it's out of the question that if this friend of yours doesn't get this job because of something she was exposed to by your daughter that the friendship may be over.

Even if it was her own decision.

[WCP]

Crikey. I feel like the doctor on Reefer Madness. ::)

[Tiger]

I can't just sit here not knowing.

I gonna drive out there. I'll let you know what transpires.


Thanks for all the advice, even if I wish some of it were different. That's what I wanted - the truth.

Damn you.

[wellkeptsecrets]

She is an incredible person. Lots of guts and initiative in a world that has dealt her more than a couple nasty blows.

Yes, dammit, I should pay for the fricking test. I am so pissed at my daughter - usually she is pretty sensible - but she fucked this one up royally.


Why is this your daughters fault? Your friend made the choice to smoke. She has to live with the consequences of that choice.

[WCP]

Why is this your daughters fault? Your friend made the choice to smoke. She has to live with the consequences of that choice.


I think the purpose of this exercise is to "mitigate the damages."

This is the equivalent of pleading guilty and making the best of it. I see no problem in people acknowledging they fucked up. Having to live with their fuck ups is an entirely different matter.

This has been an attempt to bring to the surface what one should expect from breaking "the rules," not necessarily "the law."

[Observer]

The bottom line here is very plain. There are only a couple of questions that need to be answered.

1. Did she smoke marijuana?
2. Is she trying to conceal it?

If the answer to those two questions is "Yes", everything else is irrelevant. As an employer, I would be more concerned about her attempt to conceal her actions than by the marijuana use itself.

[WCP]

The bottom line here is very plain. There are only a couple of questions that need to be answered.

1. Did she smoke marijuana?
2. Is she trying to conceal it?

If the answer to those two questions is "Yes", everything else is irrelevant. As an employer, I would be more concerned about her attempt to conceal her actions than by the marijuana use itself.


I can't argue with that.

[truelies]

Im thinking of only having them be contracted to work 3 weeks a month. Hiring extra staff. Figure if they make my life hell they can earn one weeks pay less.


That sounds to be a plausible path to take given the rather consistent attendance problems you are having with people in that line of work. What can you do but keep experimenting till you hit on a system that works?

[truelies]

Are you trying to be an asshole truelies, darling? :)


Not me :( I am trying to be helpful, with some out of the box thinking.

[ponygurl]

Not me :( I am trying to be helpful, with some out of the box thinking.

;)

[WCP]

I want everyone to note that it only took me two pages to be "dead wrong" for Tiger to have gotten in her car and driven over to see her friend so she could offer to pay for her independent drug test analysis. 8)

[ponygurl]

I want everyone to note that it only took me two pages to be "dead wrong" for Tiger to have gotten in her car and driven over to see her friend so she could offer to pay for her independent drug test analysis. 8)

Tiger's friend opted to smoke the pot. She will have to suffer the consequences. It is not anyone else's fault.
I think she should apply for the job and be honest about smoking the pot. *shrug*

[wellkeptsecrets]

I want everyone to note that it only took me two pages to be "dead wrong" for Tiger to have gotten in her car and driven over to see her friend so she could offer to pay for her independent drug test analysis. 8)


Tigers daughter should pay for it. It was all her fault after all. ;D

[WCP]

Tigers daughter should pay for it. It was all her fault after all. ;D


If I was Tiger's friend, I'd sue Tiger for lost wages if she doesn't get the job.

[wellkeptsecrets]

If I was Tiger's friend, I'd sue Tiger for lost wages if she doesn't get the job.


What I still don't understand is how her daughter became the guilty party? I am assuming her friend is an adult who knew what she was doing when SHE decided to smoke dope. It annoys me when people try to make excuses for others.

[tileman]

Ooops missed her.........drink about a gallon of orange juice or cranberry juice a day, for two days before.

Supposedly uses the same acidic poperties of the pill you get at head shops but works faster and flushes better.......... chokes down easier than gallons of water too.....

[tileman]

I'd rather have a pot smoker working for me than some damn drunk......any day.......

[ponygurl]

I'd rather have a pot smoker working for me than some damn drunk......any day.......

I'd rather have an unimpaired person working for me.

[tileman]

I'd rather have an unimpaired person working for me.


The next day a pot smoker IS unimpaired........a drunk is still a drunk

[WCP]

The next day a pot smoker IS unimpaired........a drunk is still a drunk


Both are impaired the next day if they consume a substance that impairs them.

[The Guardian]

Several things crossed my mind on this thread:

1. There is NO DESERVE in this situation. No one deserves a job, a cushy lifestyle, or anything. You have to earn that job or lifestyle or whatever you desire. Unless this is a commie state and I missed LaL's revolution.

2. This is a life-lesson. Learn from this situation. If what I am reading between the lines is correct, this "friend" has had some bad luck and made some poor decisions.

3. I am guessing this "friend" is a slightly older friend of Tiger's daughter. Not Tiger's age because normally older people don't hang out at the lake and smoke pot with teenagers and 20-somethings. Single mom with a couple of kids, probably mid-20s with a loser ex/SO would be my first guess based on this thread.

4. Everyone's body is totally different. Depending on your on metabolism, sensitivity, and the phase of the moon, a test like this could come out in multiple different ways.

5. There is an integrity issue here and while I may not state that issue quite as harshly as Observer did, I tend to agree with that reasoning myself. I also own a business, but do not have employees...yet. The reason businesses are so gun-shy about these types of things is that IF that person screws up...the person does NOT get nailed with the 50-million dollar lawsuit, the company does. As a result of run-away lawsuits, companies are doing everything in their power to minimize risk. And a druggie is a risk...particularly if they EVER get impaired on the job.

6. Another factor is "company image". Do you all remember the case of the nurse out in Nevada that got canned because she was doing an adult-site off-hours and this activity had nothing to do with her work? Yet the company found that negative image injured them and let her go. (I can't remember if she sued and won or just went away quietly...) Companies spend millions for stupid PR stunts and having a druggie on the payroll is a perceived negative. Particularly during the reign of Osama bin Bush.

7. If there is a high risk associated with taking the test and failing...I think I would take it on my own dime first. Otherwise, politely decline for some good "personal" reasons (kids are always a good excuse in the midwest), amend your behavior, and get in position to try it again quite a bit down the road.

8. A tampering reported test will look far far worse than taking the test and failing. I do not think I would take that risk.

[ponygurl]

The next day a pot smoker IS unimpaired........a drunk is still a drunk

The need to smoke, the need to drink.. whatever.. it's still a need..

[wendy]

Any idea taken to an extreme is always wrong. A general anti-drug policy is not necessarily a bad thing but a zero tolerance policy is.



Not at all.

An employer has a right to set the conditions of employment. If you don't want drug users, smokers or drinkers in your employ, you have a right to set those conditions. Anone who doesn't like them, need not apply.

[Tiger]

I'm back.

They did not give her the test today. She will have to have a second interview - next week. The first went well, she thinks. The only question on the app that concerned drug use asked if she was a hibitual user and she answered "no". She was not sure if she would have had the test today, but they are short-staffed for Reagan's funeral - or whether she would normally have it later, anyway. They are running a skeleton crew it sounds like.

Lance is partly correct - she is older (23) if you can call that 'older' - it is older than my daughter. She has a set of twins (3) and her ex (or soon to be - ex) was the one who hung out and rode motorcycles with my daughter and her boyfriend. He will have to pay child support - but he is not working right now. He is a farm-boy - moved back on daddy's farm - she says he is looking for work. With harvest here - he should be able to find it - any able-bodied person can right now.

Anyway - she has worked at the same clothing store for almost 2 years - but the pay is very low and she has an evening and weekend job at a bookstore. Her twins are in child-care, that's not cheap - but the ex pays for most of that (or his parents right now). And she gets to take them to the bookstore with her - and they are well-behaved, usually will just sit and color - or play with something she has brought for them. I've seen them in there.

Anyway, the job opened this week and my daughter's boyfriend pulled some strings. I guess they like him there. However, he would not have done so - had he known she had smoked any pot. Not only is he worried for her - he is worried for himself, as he recommended her. And, of course, he is a little preturbed at my daughter - although he is still doting on her - because they even HAD pot at the lake.

No - no one forced her to take a hit - but they sure coerced her. She doesn't normally drink or smoke. She normally works and goes home - period.

That is why there is a little guilt being felt now but the others who were there.

As far as a person - I like her - she is always very polite, if a bit quiet. Her kids are well-behaved, and she takes good care of them.

At first I thought she had smoked it in the last two days - but it was on Sunday - so that is 5 days.

I told her what everyone has said - I left out the part about her being a little 'plump".

She doesn't seem vindictive against the girls who talked her into smoking, she was more worried that if she did not pass the test it would reflect negatively on my daughter's boyfriend.

At this point - I am not sure what is going to happen. The second interview will be next week - if it is late in the week - that will be 10 to 12 days after.

My daughter's boyfriend says they do a pee test - not a hair test if that makes any difference.

Everyone is a little confused right now on what they should do.

[kathleen]

An employer has a right to set the conditions of employment.

Yes, of course.

I was making my statement in a very general way, referring to society as a whole rather than to private business.

I think other than a few general labour and environmental laws (we can't let employers bring back child labour or dump toxic chemicals in waterways that we all enjoy) private business owners should be allowed to run their company at their discretion. If a business owner hates black people it does no good to force him/her to make them part of their payroll. Same with women, the handicapped, drug users, whatever. Ultimately, I think the business owner will lose (profits, contracts, suppliers) because of his prejudices but that's part of living up to his personal responsibles or lying in the bed he makes for himself.

[Tiger]

Ooops missed her.........drink about a gallon of orange juice or cranberry juice a day, for two days before.

Supposedly uses the same acidic poperties of the pill you get at head shops but works faster and flushes better.......... chokes down easier than gallons of water too.....


That is interesting. I will pass that along too. And I will file that in my "in case you ever need it" file. :)

[jeny]

Tiger, I agree with Observer's assessment on this particular situation.

I do wonder why you are perturbed with your daughter?

[ponygurl]

I'm back.

They did not give her the test today. She will have to have a second interview - next week. The first went well, she thinks. The only question on the app that concerned drug use asked if she was a hibitual user and she answered "no". She was not sure if she would have had the test today, but they are short-staffed for Reagan's funeral - or whether she would normally have it later, anyway. They are running a skeleton crew it sounds like.

Lance is partly correct - she is older (23) if you can call that 'older' - it is older than my daughter. She has a set of twins (3) and her ex (or soon to be - ex) was the one who hung out and rode motorcycles with my daughter and her boyfriend. He will have to pay child support - but he is not working right now. He is a farm-boy - moved back on daddy's farm - she says he is looking for work. With harvest here - he should be able to find it - any able-bodied person can right now.

Anyway - she has worked at the same clothing store for almost 2 years - but the pay is very low and she has an evening and weekend job at a bookstore. Her twins are in child-care, that's not cheap - but the ex pays for most of that (or his parents right now). And she gets to take them to the bookstore with her - and they are well-behaved, usually will just sit and color - or play with something she has brought for them. I've seen them in there.

Anyway, the job opened this week and my daughter's boyfriend pulled some strings. I guess they like him there. However, he would not have done so - had he known she had smoked any pot. Not only is he worried for her - he is worried for himself, as he recommended her. And, of course, he is a little preturbed at my daughter - although he is still doting on her - because they even HAD pot at the lake.

No - no one forced her to take a hit - but they sure coerced her. She doesn't normally drink or smoke. She normally works and goes home - period.

That is why there is a little guilt being felt now but the others who were there.

As far as a person - I like her - she is always very polite, if a bit quiet. Her kids are well-behaved, and she takes good care of them.

At first I thought she had smoked it in the last two days - but it was on Sunday - so that is 5 days.

I told her what everyone has said - I left out the part about her being a little 'plump".

She doesn't seem vindictive against the girls who talked her into smoking, she was more worried that if she did not pass the test it would reflect negatively on my daughter's boyfriend.

At this point - I am not sure what is going to happen. The second interview will be next week - if it is late in the week - that will be 10 to 12 days after.

My daughter's boyfriend says they do a pee test - not a hair test if that makes any difference.

Everyone is a little confused right now on what they should do.

What would happen if she told the truth.. everything.. she is a single mom, went away for the weekend, smoked, would rather have a good job than ever smoke again..
IF I was the employer.. that would gain A LOT of respect in my eyes.. but trying to beat the test would be an automatic "file under G".

[kathleen]

My daughter's boyfriend says they do a pee test - not a hair test if that makes any difference.

It does but I still think there hasn't been enough time for the residue to leave the body. They'll still detect it.

Everyone is a little confused right now on what they should do.


There are still options to ponder over. She can quietly remove herself from the competition and hope for another opportunity. There's the private lab idea. There's telling the truth. Or try to cheat the test (though no one here knows exactly how to do it or if that even works).

[Tiger]

I agree with a lot of what some have posted here. I don't want a druggie working for me, either. But, if a person can do their job - do it well, then I don't care what they do in their spare time.

As far as smoking pot goes, I will occasionally, but have always taught my kids not to. And I would not let them know I ever smoked it. Maybe that is hypocritical - but I don't want to encourage them to do anything illegal - even if I feel it ought not be illegal.

However, I feel there is a human side to an issue like this. People can not be judged as to their value just because they take a hit of pot.

I think any employer has a right to terminate anyone who shows up at work impaired in any way. But some cold medicines have more impairment effects than pot.

That's just my take on it.

[Tiger]

Tiger, I agree with Observer's assessment on this particular situation.

I do wonder why you are perturbed with your daughter?




My daughter is an instigator. Usually, she instigates fun and harmless activities - this time - she didn't.

She admits she kept bugging her to smoke and drink a little - to 'live it up'.

I am MORE pissed at her - because pot, booze, and water don't mix.

She is the inveterate cheerleader and always has folks around her - trying to make her happy. Why? I don't know. I didn't paddle her when she was little - maybe I need to now!

The bottom line, for me, is that this girl really didn't want to go - didn't want to have a drink, didn't want to have a smoke - but she did - to be a part of the group.

[The Guardian]

Hmmm...I'd say I hit the target in the bulls-eye. I did not think this woman was your age Tiger; I figure you daughter is around 18-19 if memory serves me correctly. She might be 20, but probably not a lot older. I meant a little older than your daughter and 23 is right in that ballpark. (FWIW, she is just about the same age as my oldest daughter---who turned 24 yesterday.)

No education either, right? So that means she is trying to support a family on very low paying jobs. I think I even got it right down to the "ex"...

Spooky...

[ponygurl]

However, I feel there is a human side to an issue like this. People can not be judged as to their value just because they take a hit of pot.







I agree totally. What would bother me, as an employer, would be that they were willing to lie about it.

[ponygurl]

Hmmm...I'd say I hit the target in the bulls-eye. I did not think this woman was your age Tiger; I figure you daughter is around 18-19 if memory serves me correctly. She might be 20, but probably not a lot older. I meant a little older than your daughter and 23 is right in that ballpark. (FWIW, she is just about the same age as my oldest daughter---who turned 24 yesterday.)

No education either, right? So that means she is trying to support a family on very low paying jobs. I think I even got it right down to the "ex"...

Spooky...

Happy birthday to your daughter Lance.

[Tiger]

What would happen if she told the truth.. everything.. she is a single mom, went away for the weekend, smoked, would rather have a good job than ever smoke again..
IF I was the employer.. that would gain A LOT of respect in my eyes.. but trying to beat the test would be an automatic "file under G".



I dont' know. They are said to have a 'zero tolerance' - that if she does not pass it - even if it is something like Julianna said - from eating a poppy-seed muffin - she is out - for at least two years.

She has offered to 'back out'. I'm not sure what will happen.

She says she did not smoke but a couple of tokes. If that makes a difference.......

[Tiger]

Hmmm...I'd say I hit the target in the bulls-eye. I did not think this woman was your age Tiger; I figure you daughter is around 18-19 if memory serves me correctly. She might be 20, but probably not a lot older. I meant a little older than your daughter and 23 is right in that ballpark. (FWIW, she is just about the same age as my oldest daughter---who turned 24 yesterday.)

No education either, right? So that means she is trying to support a family on very low paying jobs. I think I even got it right down to the "ex"...

Spooky...



YOu have a crystal ball.

That is weird. And happy birthday to your daughter, too.

You even remembered my kid's age.

[Tiger]

I agree totally. What would bother me, as an employer, would be that they were willing to lie about it.




I am not sure she would lie if asked directly. But so far, the only question was if she was a habitual abuser. No one has asked if she smoked once in a while.

That might be a question they ask at the drug test.

But the nice thing is that both her employers offered to be references for her. Both would miss her - but neither can pay more than they do now.

She has the weekend to think about it.

I hope my kid thinks about it.

[NorNec]

She has the weekend to think about it.

I hope my kid thinks about it.


What do you think you did wrong to have your daughter act the way she does?

[jeny]

I hope my kid thinks about it.



Think about what? She is an adult, she merely did something you yourself admit to doing. You can reasonably use the "do as I say and not as I do" in a limited sort of way when your kids are minors, but not when they are adults. She has done nothing any more wrong that you do. You occasionally engage in an illegal activity, as does she. SHe is not resonsible for her friend's dilemma unless she tied her down and forced it down her throat.

[ponygurl]

I am not sure she would lie if asked directly. But so far, the only question was if she was a habitual abuser. No one has asked if she smoked once in a while.

That might be a question they ask at the drug test.

But the nice thing is that both her employers offered to be references for her. Both would miss her - but neither can pay more than they do now.

She has the weekend to think about it.

I hope my kid thinks about it.

Well.. sorry I pissed in your cornflakes when your kid already had. But you are still cranky under stress. ;D

[The Guardian]

Jeny: I think this statement is where Tiger's "upset" is: "I am MORE pissed at her - because pot, booze, and water don't mix."

Which is a very true statement. For example, I do enjoy wine or beer occassionally...but mix that with driving (bad idea) or flying (terribly bad idea) and it is a whole different ballgame.

Timing is everything. In this case, it sucks.

BTW, she would not be lying if she said "no" she is not a habitual user. They also will ask no question at the drug test...just have her take a pee in a cup. Some companies will do two tests if a positive comes back...just to ensure that they did not accidently get a false one.

[Tiger]

Think about what? She is an adult, she merely did something you yourself admit to doing. You can reasonably use the "do as I say and not as I do" in a limited sort of way when your kids are minors, but not when they are adults. She has done nothing any more wrong that you do. You occasionally engage in an illegal activity, as does she. SHe is not resonsible for her friend's dilemma unless she tied her down and forced it down her throat.



I understand what you are saying - and I love my daughter dearly - she is my best friend. But she is immature. She thinks everything in life is a bowl of cherries - just because for some strange reason - it usually is, for her.

She didn't realize, or respect the duty of her friend. She wanted her to go - to cheer her up, but she did not think any further than that.

I know she did not force her, but my daughter's friends do her bidding with glee - it makes me sick, sometimes. Her boyfriend,s mom buys her WAY too expensive of gifts - lets her drive the new Corvette and is trying to arrange a marriage there.

She is good hearted - but doesn't think thngs through. I always feel responsible for what my kids do.

And this girl is kind of like a wall-flower. Now she may lose an opportunity because she tried to go along.

Then, my daughter, sits around and cries - and suddenly everyone is petting HER - because she is SOOOOOOO sorrry. I'm getting madder.

I better go.

[jeny]

Jeny: I think this statement is where Tiger's "upset" is: "I am MORE pissed at her - because pot, booze, and water don't mix."





Sure, I agree with that part of it. But she did also say that her daughter was the "instigator" That doesn't fly with me.

[ponygurl]

Jeny: I think this statement is where Tiger's "upset" is: "I am MORE pissed at her - because pot, booze, and water don't mix."

Which is a very true statement. For example, I do enjoy wine or beer occassionally...but mix that with driving (bad idea) or flying (terribly bad idea) and it is a whole different ballgame.

Timing is everything. In this case, it sucks.

BTW, she would not be lying if she said "no" she is not a habitual user. They also will ask no question at the drug test...just have her take a pee in a cup. Some companies will do two tests if a positive comes back...just to ensure that they did not accidently get a false one.

That sounds more encouraging.

[jeny]

But she is immature.

I'm glad you said it because I was thinking that her "instigating" was a sign of immaturity and insecurity. Understandbale at her age. She will likely grow out of it.

[the bib]

This isn't for me, of course. It's for a friend who is going to be given a drug test to get a job.

This friend might have smoked pot within the last 48 hours.

What can this friend do to pass the drug test? Any foolproof methods?

This friend has heard of niacin being of help.

If anyone knows about this - my friend would really appreciate knowing.

Maybe you have a friend whom this has happened to?

HELP!!!!!


Give her some of yours ... unless of course, you won't pass it either. ;D

[NorNec]

Give her some of yours ... unless of course, you won't pass it either. ;D



I can see it now:

"Mom, thanks for all the support and help, especially going to the internet for this"

"you're welcome sweetheart, I have an idea.....What if I took a pee for your friend? I mean, everyone does it right? So, the way I see it is since I have not been the best example to you, and I know that you are a little...ummm, like me, lets get with the girl that you helped screw her life up with. I'll be in the bathroom, you fake an emergency and get the nurse to look after you, while I swap samples?"

"Mom, you are so friggin smart,.....I take back that slut remark, and also, you are'nt such a bitch"...Mom?

"Yes"?

"You'er the best"

"Ahhhhh, come here sweetheart"

[the bib]

I can see it now:

"Mom, thanks for all the support and help, especially going to the internet for this"

"you're welcome sweetheart, I have an idea.....What if I took a pee for your friend? I mean, everyone does it right? So, the way I see it is since I have not been the best example to you, and I know that you are a little...ummm, like me, lets get with the girl that you helped screw her life up with. I'll be in the bathroom, you fake an emergency and get the nurse to look after you, while I swap samples?"

"Mom, you are so friggin smart,.....I take back that slut remark, and also, you are'nt such a bitch"...Mom?

"Yes"?

"You'er the best"

"Ahhhhh, come here sweetheart"


I woul;dn;t do it EITHER ... but this tiger we're talking about! ;)

That she'd look for a method to circumvent in the first place shows she's on the moral equivalency side. ;)

[wendy]

Understandbale at her age. She will likely grow out of it.




A few years in the Armed Forces would take care of that problem. ;)

[NorNec]

I woul;dn;t do it EITHER ... but this tiger we're talking about! ;)

That she'd look for a method to circumvent in the first place shows she's on the moral equivalency side. ;)



Before she reads and posts to my snide remark....Remember what the topic was. ;)

[jeny]

A few years in the Armed Forces would take care of that problem. ;)


snort. You are in a mood today. ;D

[wendy]

snort. You are in a mood today. ;D


Well, this IS little Miss "I'd never allow my kids to join the military". Of course, if they had, they would't be out smoking pot and encouraging other to do the same.

[jeny]

Well, this IS little Miss "I'd never allow my kids to join the military". Of course, if they had, they would't be out smoking pot and encouraging other to do the same.



wouldn't it be funny if her DD joined the army? Most kids rebel by drinking too much and dating losers. Tiger's kids rebel by becoming christians and joining the military. ;D

[wendy]

ROTFL!! ;D

[the bib]

ROTFL!! ;D


Ditto! ;D

If they did, do you think she'd admit it??

Nah!

[NorNec]

wouldn't it be funny if her DD joined the army? Most kids rebel by drinking too much and dating losers. Tiger's kids rebel by becoming christians and joining the military. ;D



God works in Mysterious ways ;)

[NorNec]

Ditto! ;D

If they did, do you think she'd admit it??

Nah!



She's a lot of things we can say, but I think she would admit that.

[Tiger]

I woul;dn;t do it EITHER ... but this tiger we're talking about! ;)

That she'd look for a method to circumvent in the first place shows she's on the moral equivalency side. ;)



That is funny coming from someone who makes a profit off of other people's hardship and the foreclosure on their homes. ::) ;)

[Tiger]

wouldn't it be funny if her DD joined the army? Most kids rebel by drinking too much and dating losers. Tiger's kids rebel by becoming christians and joining the military. ;D



I think everyone should remember that this IS the kid who is a Christian.

But - the other thing - the military thing - she tried that number Junior year - some guy called "Staff Sargeant something or other" would not quit calling after she went to see him. I told him in no uncertain terms that there was no way in Hell - she was going to enlist. She threw a fit - but she got over it.

And it was really annoying - because he wanted to come out and meet with us - and I wouldn't let him. And then - he seemed to get upset that I called him by his name (it escapes me now) - but I could not remember that entire Staff Sargeant thing-a-ma-bob. Everytime I used his name - he corrected me.

He wouldn't give up until she told him that her gram paid her not to go. She did. The military would not want her - she would tell all the soldiers to climb the fence and jump in the pond - and by god, they would.

[Satan]

I haven't read this whole thread, but in case no one has mentioned it (and it's not too late), send your friend to the local Herb Shoppe and have them ask for some Naturally KleenTM tea. It's worked every time my friends have used it. Or so I've heard... 8)


::knockknockknock::

[ponygurl]

I haven't read this whole thread, but in case no one has mentioned it (and it's not too late), send your friend to the local Herb Shoppe and have them ask for some Naturally KleenTM tea. It's worked every time my friends have used it. Or so I've heard... 8)


::knockknockknock::

She should take no chances that are not for sures.

[Tiger]

I haven't read this whole thread, but in case no one has mentioned it (and it's not too late), send your friend to the local Herb Shoppe and have them ask for some Naturally KleenTM tea. It's worked every time my friends have used it. Or so I've heard... 8)


::knockknockknock::



Thank you. Another great idea. A couple of similar things have been mentioned.

Maybe we ought to print them all out for reference later? ;)

[WCP]

I haven't read this whole thread, but in case no one has mentioned it (and it's not too late), send your friend to the local Herb Shoppe and have them ask for some Naturally KleenTM tea. It's worked every time my friends have used it. Or so I've heard... 8)


::knockknockknock::


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[Tiger]

She should take no chances that are not for sures.



Funny you should bring that up. This is off topic, but last year, when my daughter got West Nile - the infectious disease specialist for the State and I were discussing the situation and people were giving themselves shots for West Nile protection from Horse vaccines.

And young girls who get pregnant are known to swallow just about anything to 'help the situation'. Scary.

I noticed before that you are not a big herbalist.

[Tiger]

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Code: TE110
Unit Size: 18 caps. Weight: 0.06 lb
$11.05 This item can be shipped UPS
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INGREDIENTS: Dandelion Root, Burdock Root, Red Clover Top, Alfalfa Leaf, Chamomile Flower, Dog Rose Hips, Riboflavin.
Suggested Use: The day of desired cleansing on an empty stomach (no food or liquids 4-5 hours), begin by drinking 16 ozs. of water 3 hours prior to the time you want to be clean. Wait 30 minutes. Take 3 capsules with 16 oz of water every 30 minutes until you have finished the capsules. Capsules are effective for 2 hours after finishing. Urinate frequently. You will be drinking a total of 7 glasses of water, take all enclosed supplement capsules with your 4th glass.
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My opinion: Eat your fucking lawn. ::)






I think we can safely say that it will cause the runs. ;D

I think I will serve it to the naughty girls tomorrow at the wedding. Watch the bride and all the little bridesmaids run back and forth to the pot. Hee hee...

[WCP]

And young girls who get pregnant are known to swallow just about anything to 'help the situation'. Scary.



If they had "swallowed" in the first place, they most likely wouldn't have become pregnant.

[ponygurl]

Funny you should bring that up. This is off topic, but last year, when my daughter got West Nile - the infectious disease specialist for the State and I were discussing the situation and people were giving themselves shots for West Nile protection from Horse vaccines.

And young girls who get pregnant are known to swallow just about anything to 'help the situation'. Scary.

I noticed before that you are not a big herbalist.

I suppose I am not a big herbalist.
I watched my parents swallow handfuls of vitamins and herbal cures over the years.. and watched them exhibit signs of toxic levels. I am not a big pill person either.. I think meds should be used sparsely.
But I was actually referring to the fact that if she trusts this remedy without a test, and chancs it.. she may be sorrowly disappointed..

[Tiger]

Adult diapers come with that stuff?



They should give a $2-off coupon for a box of Depends when you purchase it. :D

[Tiger]

I suppose I am not a big herbalist.
I watched my parents swallow handfuls of vitamins and herbal cures over the years.. and watched them exhibit signs of toxic levels. I am not a big pill person either.. I think meds should be used sparsely.
But I was actually referring to the fact that if she trusts this remedy without a test, and chancs it.. she may be sorrowly disappointed..



I have seen that happen, too, and yet I am a pretty big herbalist.

I love comfrey tea and grow my own for that, and for owies. I can hear you screaming. ;)

But, some herbs do affect conditions, I am in favor of keeping them legal - but reducing the false claims on them.

[ponygurl]

I have seen that happen, too, and yet I am a pretty big herbalist.

I love comfrey tea and grow my own for that, and for owies. I can hear you screaming. ;)

But, some herbs do affect conditions, I am in favor of keeping them legal - but reducing the false claims on them.

We grew comfrey.. the bees.. egad.. great for pollination.
Actually.. if given the choice.. i would prefer herbals over traditionaal meds.. I guess i have just been lucky I've never required anything but tylenol..

[Tiger]

We grew comfrey.. the bees.. egad.. great for pollination.
Actually.. if given the choice.. i would prefer herbals over traditionaal meds.. I guess i have just been lucky I've never required anything but tylenol..


I was wrong about you. I must have been thinking of someone else.

The FDA here is now going after comfrey sellers. I don't sell mine - but the seeds are quckly becoming a commodity.

I dont like most med's, either. I appreciate modern medicine mostly for its capacity to deal with trauma - but other than that - I can take it or leave it. I have seen nurses that diagnose better than docs. Funny thing - lots of nurses seem to smoke, while the docs drink.

[ponygurl]

I was wrong about you. I must have been thinking of someone else.

The FDA here is now going after comfrey sellers. I don't sell mine - but the seeds are quckly becoming a commodity.

I dont like most med's, either. I appreciate modern medicine mostly for its capacity to deal with trauma - but other than that - I can take it or leave it. I have seen nurses that diagnose better than docs. Funny thing - lots of nurses seem to smoke, while the docs drink.

Doctors perscribe pills.. nurses work with prevetative..
In my job, I get quite frustrated.. we deal with three aspects of the medical field.. medicine, PT and OT.
Doctors give the pills.. sometimes until patients are almost drugged to imobility, PT aim for exercise and comfort, and OT aim for mobility.
Combine those.. and we never know what the hell we should be doing.. all opinions contradict. ::)

[Thunder Bay]

Sorry to end the drama, but your friend will be fine, Tiger. Unless she's smoked two or more consecutive days during the last two weeks. Tile's right about the OJ, but only one glass every other day 'til the test; NO cranberry juice, that implies tampering. Chronics only take six weeks to be pee-test ready, for that matter......I hear. 8)

[ponygurl]

Sorry to end the drama, but your friend will be fine, Tiger. Unless she's smoked two or more consecutive days during the last two weeks. Tile's right about the OJ, but only one glass every other day 'til the test; NO cranberry juice, that implies tampering. Chronics only take six weeks to be pee-test ready, for that matter......I hear. 8)



Gee.. you are knowledgable on this subject. ;D

[Thunder Bay]

I read a lot. 8)

I suspect this was a ruse, anyway; you know fleet-cheeks...uh...Tiger. Questionable motives in every post; all the lies, the sky-is-falling histrionics, ect. ;D

[ponygurl]

I read a lot. 8)

I suspect this was a ruse, anyway; you know fleet-cheeks...uh...Tiger. Questionable motives in every post; all the lies, the sky-is-falling histrionics, ect. ;D

;D

I'm glad you are well read. :)

[Thunder Bay]

;D

I'm glad you are well read. :)



I'm glad you're learning how to take care of old folks; aren't you, Tile? ;D

[wellkeptsecrets]

I'm glad you're learning how to take care of old folks; aren't you, Tile? ;D


Thunderluv, I don't think she plans on taking care of Tilekins in his advancing years. 8)

[truelies]

I read a lot. 8)...............................



Not much on comprehension, but hey nobody is perfect.

[Thunder Bay]

Thunderluv, I don't think she plans on taking care of Tilekins in his advancing years. 8)



I don't either. ;D

[Thunder Bay]

Not much on comprehension, but hey nobody is perfect.



Did the barren bodice send you? Or are you thinking for yourself this time? ;D

[ponygurl]

I'm glad you're learning how to take care of old folks; aren't you, Tile? ;D

::)
I mostly piss tileman off. ;D

[ponygurl]

barren bodice

Oh dear...

[Tiger]

I read a lot. 8)

I suspect this was a ruse, anyway; you know fleet-cheeks...uh...Tiger. Questionable motives in every post; all the lies, the sky-is-falling histrionics, ect. ;D



Oh yeah - I just got a wild hair up my ass and decided that I needed info to beat a drug test - all for excitement.

You need to get out more, little buddy. ;D


BTW - for the rest of you - her test is Thursday morn. She's just going to take it and let the chips fall where they may.

I'll let you know what happens. I passed on all the info here.

[Tiger]

::)
I mostly piss tileman off. ;D




I think you have a much different effect on him. And not a bad one. ;)