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Persephone
01-04-2003, 09:04 PM
by Wallace Stevens

1
Complacencies of the peignoir, and late
Coffee and oranges in a sunny chair,
And the green freedom of a cockatoo
Upon a rug mingle to dissipate
The holy hush of ancient sacrifice.
She dreams a little, and she feels the dark
Encroachment of that old catastrophe,
As a calm darkens among water-lights.
The pungent oranges and bright, green wings
Seem things in some procession of the dead,
Winding across wide water, without sound.
The day is like wide water, without sound.
Stilled for the passing of her dreaming feet
Over the seas, to silent Palestine,
Dominion of the blood and sepulchre.

2
Why should she give her bounty to the dead?
What is divinity if it can come
Only in silent shadows and in dreams?
Shall she not find in comforts of the sun,
In pungent fruit and bright green wings, or else
In any balm or beauty of the earth,
Things to be cherished like the thought of heaven?
Divinity must live within herself:
Passions of rain, or moods in falling snow;
Grievings in loneliness, or unsubdued
Elations when the forest blooms; gusty
Emotions on wet roads on autumn nights;
All pleasures and all pains, remembering
The bough of summer and the winter branch.
These are the measure destined for her soul.

3
Jove in the clouds had his inhuman birth.
No mother suckled him, no sweet land gave
Large-mannered motions to his mythy mind.
He moved among us, as a muttering king,
Magnificent, would move among his hinds,
Until our blood, commingling, virginal,
With heaven, brought such requital to desire
The very hinds discerned it, in a star.
Shall our blood fail? Or shall it come to be
The blood of paradise? And shall the earth
Seem all of paradise that we shall know?
The sky will be much friendlier then than now,
A part of labor and a part of pain,
And next in glory to enduring love,
Not this dividing and indifferent blue.

4
She says, "I am content when wakened birds,
Before they fly, test the reality
Of misty fields, by their sweet questionings;
But when the birds are gone, and their warm fields
Return no more, where, then, is paradise?"
There is not any haunt of prophecy,
Nor any old chimera of the grave,
Neither the golden underground, nor isle
Melodious, where spirits gat them home,
Nor visionary south, nor cloudy palm
Remote on heaven's hill, that has endured
As April's green endures; or will endure
Like her remembrance of awakened birds,
Or her desire for June and evening, tipped
By the consummation of the swallow's wings.

5
She says, "But in contentment I still feel
The need of some imperishable bliss."
Death is the mother of beauty; hence from her,
Alone, shall come fulfillment to our dreams
And our desires. Although she strews the leaves
Of sure obliteration on our paths,
The path sick sorrow took, the many paths
Where triumph rang its brassy phrase, or love
Whispered a little out of tenderness,
She makes the willow shiver in the sun
For maidens who were wont to sit and gaze
Upon the grass, relinquished to their feet.
She causes boys to pile new plums and pears
On disregarded plate. The maidens taste
And stray impassioned in the littering leaves.

6
Is there no change of death in paradise?
Does ripe fruit never fall? Or do the boughs
Hang always heavy in that perfect sky,
Unchanging, yet so like our perishing earth,
With rivers like our own that seek for seas
They never find, the same receding shores
That never touch with inarticulate pang?
Why set pear upon those river-banks
Or spice the shores with odors of the plum?
Alas, that they should wear our colors there,
The silken weavings of our afternoons,
And pick the strings of our insipid lutes!
Death is the mother of beauty, mystical,
Within whose burning bosom we devise
Our earthly mothers waiting, sleeplessly.

7
Supple and turbulent, a ring of men
Shall chant in orgy on a summer morn
Their boisterous devotion to the sun,
Not as a god, but as a god might be,
Naked among them, like a savage source.
Their chant shall be a chant of paradise,
Out of their blood, returning to the sky;
And in their chant shall enter, voice by voice,
The windy lake wherein their lord delights,
The trees, like serafin, and echoing hills,
That choir among themselves long afterward.
They shall know well the heavenly fellowship
Of men that perish and of summer morn.
And whence they came and whither they shall go
The dew upon their feel shall manifest.

8
She hears, upon that water without sound,
A voice that cries, "The tomb in Palestine
Is not the porch of spirits lingering.
It is the grave of Jesus, where he lay."
We live in an old chaos of the sun,
Or old dependency of day and night,
Or island solitude, unsponsored, free,
Of that wide water, inescapable.
Deer walk upon our mountains, and the quail
Whistle about us their spontaneous cries;
Sweet berries ripen in the wilderness;
And, in the isolation of the sky,
At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
Downward to darkness, on extended wings

01-04-2003, 09:37 PM
Oh Wallace Stevens. He was one of the greats.

Send your condolences. I start my next Brit Lit class on Monday. More T.S. Eliot. Why can't we decide where to put him in the canon?

Persephone
01-04-2003, 09:40 PM
Sometimes it's that the Americans and the British want to claim him and sometimes it's that they both want to give him to the other. I don't know. I'm sure he'd appreciate being taught in every lit class in town.

His birth place is now a parking lot for AT&T. I find that incredibly appropriate.

01-04-2003, 09:48 PM
Sometimes it's that the Americans and the British want to claim him and sometimes it's that they both want to give him to the other. I don't know. I'm sure he'd appreciate being taught in every lit class in town.

His birth place is now a parking lot for AT&T. I find that incredibly appropriate.


I like his work, but I also know that I'll once again be studying The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock. This will be about the fourth time. Of course I don't have to read it anymore.

01-04-2003, 09:48 PM
Can we give Ezra Pound away? What a pretentious ass.

Persephone
01-04-2003, 11:26 PM
Can we give Ezra Pound away? What a pretentious ass.


I've spent a lot of time around people talking about poetry, and I've never once heard anyone say "oh, my favorite poem: Hugh Selwyn Mauberly." This is revenge enough. No one actually likes Pound's poetry no matter how influential it may have been. Somewhere, he knows this, and he is in Hell.

Wallace Stevens, on the other hand, kicks ass. He remembered to write some beautiful poems among the modernist diatribes.

01-05-2003, 08:03 AM
Can we give Ezra Pound away? What a pretentious ass.


I've spent a lot of time around people talking about poetry, and I've never once heard anyone say "oh, my favorite poem: Hugh Selwyn Mauberly." This is revenge enough. No one actually likes Pound's poetry no matter how influential it may have been. Somewhere, he knows this, and he is in Hell.

Wallace Stevens, on the other hand, kicks ass. He remembered to write some beautiful poems among the modernist diatribes.


The only good thing about Pound is that he edited The Wastelands down by about a hundred lines.

ilovelucy
01-10-2003, 08:56 AM
Suth--
This is one of my favorite poems as well.
I always like to think of Wallace Stevens writing while doing his professional work as an insurance salesman (if I recall correctly).....

One never knows who the poets among us are---:)

(ps I am back from my great adventure and a confirmed Arizona/Nevade/New Mexico lover....fabulous country! My first time to visit these states--I am ready to buy the horse ranch and learn Spanish!9

pss had problems getting online here while I was on the trip, but Lance and I had a tete a tete this morning and straightened things out--bless his heart!

ilovelucy
01-10-2003, 09:08 AM
I came back as ilovelucy and now I7m a virgin llama again--this is fun!

Persephone
01-10-2003, 09:14 AM
Welcome back, lucy. I thought about you when I posted "Sunday Morning." Somehow, I knew you liked it. :)

ilovelucy
01-10-2003, 09:16 AM
You sweet thing!

thanks.

ilovelucy
01-10-2003, 05:51 PM
Suth--

You know and feel these things so well...what makes a poet, anyway?

ilovelucy
01-10-2003, 07:20 PM
FRIDAY NIGHT....
We dreamed of tangerines, lost from Christmas
and the proverbial nuts.


to be continued........

Persephone
01-11-2003, 06:42 AM
Thanks for picking up this thread, lucy. I like the idea of writing "Friday Evening" to complement "Sunday Morning" very much.

As for what is a poet? A poet is someone with a compulsion for words who is arrogant enough to believe he/she has a shot at expressing the inexpressible.

We have a lot of them around here. :)

ilovelucy
01-11-2003, 07:56 AM
hmmm.

Compulsive and arrogant.

seems to fit:)

ilovelucy
01-17-2003, 04:47 PM
The Snowman

One must have the mind of winter
To regard the frost and the boughs
Of the pinetrees crusted with snow;

And have been cold a long time
To behold the junipers shagged with ice,
The spruces rough in the distant glitter

Of the January sun; and not to think
Of any misery in the sound of the wind,
In the sound of a few leaves,

Which is the sound of the land
Full of the same wind
That is blowing in the same bare place

For the listener, who listens in the snow,
And, nothing himself, beholds
Nothing that is not there and nothing that is.

(October 1921--Wallace Stevens)