Kindergartner Performs Oral Sex on Classmate

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Report of sex in kindergarten investigated
Saturday, November 23, 2002
BY PETE SHELLEM
Of The Patriot-News

Harrisburg School District and county authorities are investigating allegations that a 5-year-old kindergarten girl performed oral sex on a male classmate in school last week.

City spokesman Randy King said the incident took place Nov. 15 in a classroom at Melrose Elementary School.


It wasn't clear yesterday where the teacher was at the time. She left a memo for the principal detailing the incident before she went on leave earlier this week and has yet to be interviewed. King said the teacher has a terminally ill relative and is out of town.

District officials learned of the incident after a classmate told her mother last weekend. The mother notified school district officials Monday, and they immediately launched an investigation.

Harrisburg police have turned the matter over to county social service agencies because of the age of the children.

There will be no criminal charges, King said, because of the children's age and because the act was not forced.

"However, Children and Youth Services will be investigating the matter," King said. "Children of this age who engage in such conduct don't necessarily get this from television."

The boy's mother contacted the news media yesterday, saying the school district was being unresponsive to her inquiries about the incident.

The mother, whose name is being withheld by The Patriot-News to protect the identity of the child, said that when the girl who performed the act was questioned, she admitted she had done it.

The mother said she wasn't immediately notified, and after she was, district officials told her the matter had been turned over to Dauphin County Children and Youth, told her to get her son counseling and refused to discuss it further.

She said she is concerned for her son as well as the girl, because she feels a child exhibiting such behavior may be being abused.

"This isn't kids fighting or cutting up in school," the mother said. "This is a serious matter."

District solicitor Nate Waters said that while the incident has been turned over to social service agencies, it is still not clear exactly what happened.

"Nobody that I have talked to has assured me that these things have happened," Waters said. "We don't want to keep on moving on with hearsay from 5-year-olds. We're currently attempting to contact the teacher and get some answers."

Waters said he doesn't doubt the incident took place.

"We're trying not to sensationalize 5-year-olds having sex," Waters said. "We don't want to alarm people who have 5-year-olds in classes all over the city.

"This has never happened before to my knowledge and very likely is never going to happen again," he said. PETE SHELLEM: 255-8156 or pshellem@patriot-news.com

I am just too stunned to speak. Thoughts?

[nascarfan]

:o

That is totally unbelievable. Is there where our schools are heading, where 5 year olds not only know how to do such acts, but are left alone to do so!

[Persephone]

This is a child who has been sexually abused. The only way a five year old girl would know about this act and do it would be if she'd been instructed to do it before...by an adult.

How horrific.

[wendy]

This is a child who has been sexually abused. The only way a five year old girl would know about this act and do it would be if she'd been instructed to do it before...by an adult.

How horrific.


I agree. You would think that would have been the focus of the story.

When they say she preformed oral sex - I wonder what that actually entailed?

Like did the boy or some other kid dare her to do something?

About 10 years ago a friend of mine was babysitting two brothers (both nasty little things) and the oldest - probaby 5 or 6 at the time dropped his drawers and told her to come suck his dick! She slapped his face.

The mother (we both knew her) got very upset and did not bring her sons back to be babysat. But in the boys household they often played pron videos. Once we went to a barn party there and their kids were running around and they had movies going. sick.

I guess I am saying in my clockmaker fashion that kids can learn this stufff just about anywhere. I hope they get to the bottom of this soon.

[Persephone]

Ugh. What kind of moronic assholes would show their children porn videos? That sounds like its own form of abuse.

Ugh. What kind of moronic assholes would show their children porn videos? That sounds like its own form of abuse.


They were a sick couple - divorced for years now. I think that IS abuse.

Why did you change your little angel to a Tasmanian Devil?

Don't you think I found a nifty tiger?

I had a different one to begin with but when I transfered it it had a warning that I was stealing copyrighted property. Scared the shit outta me.

[Satan]

This is a child who has been sexually abused. The only way a five year old girl would know about this act and do it would be if she'd been instructed to do it before...by an adult.

How horrific.


Horrific, yes. But I don't think it necessarily points to sexual abuse of the girl (outside the school). It could just as easily point to sexual abuse of the boy.

[Persephone]

Why did you change your little angel to a Tasmanian Devil?

Don't you think I found a nifty tiger?

I had a different one to begin with but when I transfered it it had a warning that I was stealing copyrighted property. Scared the shit outta me.


Non-fem thought it was a Christmas tree topper, so I decided to be a devil for a few days. Who knows what I'll be next. My avatar plans to be bi-polar. :)

[Persephone]

Horrific, yes. But I don't think it necessarily points to sexual abuse of the girl (outside the school). It could just as easily point to sexual abuse of the boy.



You do have a point. Now that I think about it, it does sound a little fishy that the mother of the boy is the only one who said anything about abuse, and she pointed it toward the girl's parents. Could it be one of those things where the guilty party throws the first stone?

This definitely needs to be investigated.

[BrandonL]

:o

Definately need to take a close look at both kids parents' lives and homes..

[nascarfan]

:o

Definately need to take a close look at both kids parents' lives and homes..


Lokking at both sets of parents would be the logical place to start, but would not also agree that there should be some sort of investigation into how they were afforded the oppurtunity at all to do and carry on the act in a school.

I want to know where the damn teacher was and why these kids had the opurtunity at all to do this at 5 years old, there should be a little bit more supervision than that. >:(

[Persephone]

Lokking at both sets of parents would be the logical place to start, but would not also agree that there should be some sort of investigation into how they were afforded the oppurtunity at all to do and carry on the act in a school.

I want to know where the damn teacher was and why these kids had the opurtunity at all to do this at 5 years old, there should be a little bit more supervision than that. >:(



I suspect that like many schools these days there are too many children in one classroom for one teacher to watch.

She could have been anywhere. She could have been breaking up some other crisis situation. She could have just had her back turned while she helped other students with their work.

In kindergarten, the kids are often divided up into activity modules, and the teacher's attention is divided among many activities. I can see where she could have been in the room and had no idea this was happening.

[BrandonL]

...but would not also agree that there should be some sort of investigation into how they were afforded the oppurtunity at all to do and carry on the act in a school.

I want to know where the damn teacher was and why these kids had the opurtunity at all to do this at 5 years old, there should be a little bit more supervision than that. >:(
Well, without all the information-I'm not going to make any accusations one way or the other.

Even going back to when I was in kindergarten (decades ago), there were times where you were relatively unsupervised where this could have happened. Times such as the playground, sometimes even naptime. Without going into too much detail about "the act" I'm wondering if it was nakedness or if she just, ahem, kissed it...we'll likely never know though.

But, yeah-I'd like to see the teacher's testimony as to where she was at the time. Have to keep an eye on the story (that is if the press releases that info).

[Superpopanz]

Maybe the kids in the USA are different, but here in the old world its not much to worry about. Human beings are sexual beings from the craddle to the grave, just ask a nurse. ;D
Having heard several stories from both Europe and North Africa from friends who are also parents/grandparents/etc i would even go so far and bet that if you put two kids ( 5/6 years old) in the tub and leave them alone for 30 mins there is a good chance that they`ll start "experimenting". I know i did and the science (atleast the euro-commie-pervert-liberals 8)) says its not unusual. Of course, when i was young we didnt know all the modern stuff like BJ´s... ;D

[jeny]

superpopanz, I bet you're right, more innocent than they're making it out to be.

Everyone is hypersensitive to this stuff. Remember this?

Are the 1990's taking sexual harassment to an extreme? Even though sexual harassment is a serious problem that we must deal with, some people may agree with the former question. In North Carolina, a six-year-old boy was accused of being a sexual harasser when he kissed a classmate. This instance is hard to judge, many say that this type of behavior and others is typical behavior of a six-year-old. I remember when I was kissed in kindergarten by a five-year-old, and I really did not think much of it, nor did the teacher.

Greenfield, Meg. "Sexual Harasser?" Newsweek
7 Oct. 1996: 90.

Cases like these are appearing everywhere. In New York City a seven-year-old boy was suspended for five days as a sexual harasser for kissing a classmate. The boy also pulled a button off of the girls' blouse. When the young boy was questioned about his behavior he responded quite frankly that he liked the girl. When questioned about the button, he talked about Corduroy, the bear who has a missing button in a popular childrens' book. Eventually the boy's suspension was limited to three days. Well, maybe punishing children now is the right thing to do in order to prevent it from happening again. At least we know that sexual harassment policies in schools are not setting a minimum for age offenses.

In 1993, the American Association of University Women created "Hostile Hallways," which describes sexual harassment and how to protect yourself. This report shot up school harassment charges by 81%.

Leo, John "Expel Georgie Porgie Now." U.S. News & World Report 14 Oct. 1996:37.

http://www.stedwards.edu/educ/eanes/sexualharr.htm

[tileman]

I think the worst thing they could do is totally flip out on the kids. Who the hell didn't play doctor? And I have to admit that as a child, trying to look up the girls dresses was about all that made school bearable. (Even in college, come to think of it. ;) )

[Persephone]

Bump for NC3PO.

:P

[tileman]

Looks like I would have been banned myself........geeze :P

[Persephone]

Looks like I would have been banned myself........geeze :P


Well, of course you would have. We believe in you, bud. Don't worry. You'll get to go out for the next bannishable moment that comes along. :-*

[Satan]

I think we oughta invade Apolyton next. I could take some serious REVENGE on those nerds.

(JUST KIDDING LANCE. REALLY.)

Speaking of Apolyton, I hope Rush eventually makes his way here...

[tileman]

Looks like I would have been banned myself........geeze :P


Well, of course you would have. We believe in you, bud. Don't worry. You'll get to go out for the next bannishable moment that comes along. :-*


It's one thing to have rules........but dang, they could at least wait untill they're broken.

Some people like and/or need a safe haven though, and lack the skin thickness to fend off the more personal attacks. I'm glad they have a place. I also think NM screwed up by not giving them a corner to call home, where language and what not could be controlled.

I don't think that those of us who enjoy balls out interaction are the only ones with rights. but then again, if lines are to be drawn, their crossing should be the time for action. It shouldn't be assumed we are incapable of civil discussion upon arrival.

There are several people over there I really like, but I'd hate to think I couldn't express a legitimate opinion, as above, without being shown the door. They've taken it to some ridiculous extremes imo, and like NM, are limiting their likelihood of balanced opinion.

[Lazarus]

I am really not sure there is all much there to worry about. It might have been "kiss me there" and playing "doctor".

People can be so paranoid about these things and if it is nothing but natural childhood curiousity, then irreparable harm might be done to these kids (like making them feel that their private parts are "dirty" or something).

Still, it might be worth interviewing THE PARENT'S and THE SIBLINGS, because sometimes it is sibling-sibling activity that is being manifested outside the home.

[Meshuga Mikey]

Considering the rather startling rate of Moral Decline in this nation I see this "incident" as being a but a small sample, of the TIP OF THE ICEBERG OF ABSOLUTE SOCIAL DEGRADATION~!!

THE LITTLE MEN OF THE WORLD,.. ARE NO DOUBT VEIWING THIS WITH GLEE~!!!

A KINDERGARTEN CLASS~!!!!! :'(

[Superpopanz]

Considering the rather startling rate of Moral Decline in this nation I see this "incident" as being a but a small sample, of the TIP OF THE ICEBERG OF ABSOLUTE SOCIAL DEGRADATION~!!

THE LITTLE MEN OF THE WORLD,.. ARE NO DOUBT VEIWING THIS WITH GLEE~!!!

A KINDERGARTEN CLASS~!!!!! :'(


Consider this:
In certain native Asian tribes it was common that kids started to immitate their parents at the age of six. Since sex was no taboo in this primitive societies, i.e. when parents did it the kids saw it, the imitation was not restricted to hut building and food preparing, but it also consisted of imitating the act of copulation. The life in Europe was not very different untill little more than 100-150 years ago. Especially in poorer families it was common that parents and children slept not only in the same room, but often in the same bed as well, i.e. it was normal that kids saw their parents doing it. but sex was nothing to talk about and you can hardly accuse the societies of that time as being degenerated. The higher classes were different thou. It is known that special clothes and bondages were invented and forcefully used to stop child masturbation in the middle of the 19th century.
I grew up in communist Germany. Sex and pornography was virtually non existant in the media, education and the public life in general. But this didnt stop children from being curious and "experimentative", and as far as i know, it didnt do any harm. IMO todays society does not have a healthy and natural relationship with human sexuality, despite and because of the sex-trash on tv and in public. One can ask thou why the age of fertility is getting lower and lower. You might blame the oversexualisized behaviour of our youth on the media, sex-ed and morale or the lack off, but there is no way you can blame the lower age of physichal maturity on it.

[Superpopanz]

Still, it might be worth interviewing THE PARENT'S and THE SIBLINGS, because sometimes it is sibling-sibling activity that is being manifested outside the home.

Absolutely. Years ago i read about a scandal in New York, where a 14 and an 11 y/o brother were found to perfom incestuous activities. It was a familyx without a dad and since the mother failed to stop their sons from doing things they shouldnt, she got help from the social office. What followed was forced psychotheraphy, embarrasement in school and neighbourhood plus 4 weeks in jail for the 14 y/o. In the end both siblings were complete wrecks, had to live at different places and i wonder what the bigger harm was. Its tragedy enough to have incestuous feelings and i have no idea how i vwould have reacted, but what happend to these brothers was way over the line.

[Superpopanz]

Everyone is hypersensitive to this stuff.
Jeny, i`ve got a problem with this hype as well. Whenever a woman accuses a man of sexual assault or even rape, i have a hard time to make up my mind. How are we supposed to find out whether the man is a piece of shit who deserves instant castration or the woman is a lying bitch who should get what she didnt before? This is annoying, and even worse is the abuse accusation in cases of divorces. I`m glad i`m no judge.

[Superpopanz]

HELLO! Can somebody please call me a pervert and MichealJacksonite! Or a humanist loser! Because i actually think the little boy had a good time! Please, flame me! :D

[Meshuga Mikey]

HELLO! Can somebody please call me a pervert and MichealJacksonite! Or a humanist loser! Because i actually think the little boy had a good time! Please, flame me! :D


I'm not certain whether to laugh or cry when I contemplate the NUEROTIC,... ROMANTICIZING of the Poor, far away uncivilized savages,.. as being somehow more socially Relaxed Mellow or superior~!!

The "liberal" National Geographic mentality at work,..how quaint~!!

"-They're,... You know,.. like so Kewl,,... and Like Different,..and shit"......AND THERE YOU,...have it~!!!!

NO I DO NOT PROVIDE CLIFF NOTES~!!

[Superpopanz]

HELLO! Can somebody please call me a pervert and MichealJacksonite! Or a humanist loser! Because i actually think the little boy had a good time! Please, flame me! :D


I'm not certain whether to laugh or cry when I contemplate the NUEROTIC,... ROMANTICIZING of the Poor, far away uncivilized savages,.. as being somehow more socially Relaxed Mellow or superior~!!

The "liberal" National Geographic mentality at work,..how quaint~!!

"-They're,... You know,.. like so Kewl,,... and Like Different,..and shit"......AND THERE YOU,...have it~!!!!

NO I DO NOT PROVIDE CLIFF NOTES~!!

I recommend crying! Because for someone who always pokes fun at Fräulein Bösjud`s comprehension abilities you sure put a helluva (did i spell this amishit right?) things in my words! Or to say it differently, " Know where you come from to be prepared for where you`re going to"...