The Rev. Jesse Jackson

[IM]

I'm kinda tired of you dumb ass conservatives and racists in this forum who just keep on bashing Rev. Jackson.

You say that he is a race pimp, yet, every time you guys say something like that, something comes up that shows that Jackson is no race pimp, and that race is still a very bothersome issue to people in this nation.

Also there is evidence presented that racism and the belief that we should go back to separate and unequal, or the states right to deny rights.

Well, I'm gonna tell you people something about Rev. Jesse Jackson, that none of you seem to understand.

First of, if not for people like Jackson who put their lives on the line, and some of them died, I would not have the freedom I have today. I would still have to get off the sidewalk if a white person walked on it. I would still have to call every white person sir or maam, even if they were a infant, and accept being called boy, even by 3 year olds while I am a grown man. I would have to sit in the back of the bus, I would not be able to eat in the restaurants I want, not live in the neighborhood I want.

None of your consrevative idiots put their lives on the lines for anyone like that.

Rev. Jackson is not the only black person out there that has credentials and is considered a leader. But white america, specifically dumb ass conservative racist America has appointed Rev. Jackson as the only voice of black America. It's either him or Rev. Sharpton.

Do any of you know Rev.Lowery? What about Tavis Smiley? What about Cornell West? How About Mfume, Julian Bond, Andrew Young? Shelia Lee, Maxine Watters, John Lewis, Conyers, or Charles Rangel? I mean I can keep on going.

To you idiots, the only blacks worth listening to are people like Ward Connerly, a great denialist, or Sowell, people who you can agree with, and people who want to ignore the reality that race has mattered inthis nation, and that whites have gotten and continue recieving most of the race based preferences.

Several in this forum have stated that blacks don't know what to do with thinkers like Sowell. Yes we do, we ignore him, because if he was thinking he would make statements which are consistent with reality.

White people have a problem with real black intellectuals such as Dr. West. Dr. West criticsizes white society, and does so with credentials, and fact. You will not see him on Fox talking to Hannity or O'Reilly because they know that this man has too much on top for them.

Sowell and others like him cannot match up intellectually with this man either.

In times like these, the individual the people hate the most, is the individual who is telling the greatest truth. GWB and your conservative icons are lying to you, and you people are too dumb to see it. Rev. Jackson is telling you the truth, yet you hate him because what he is saying attacks your core belief.

Change the way you think about your fellow man. Doing this small thing will save the lives of approximately 50-100,000 American lives in the very near future.

Trent Lott did not put his life on the line to make sure that I could have the same rights as every American who was white. In fact he stood against it, he was one of the people who supported ending lives or beating blacks down to put them in their places.

Neither did Robert Byrd. At a point in his life, we was for the murder of blacks just as Ternt Lott still is.

So when you guys make your jabs on Jackson, remember that number one, he will never be Martin Luther King Jr. Jackson knows that.

But, that he is in my estimation just as patriotic as any person you can name simply hecause he stood in harms way, so that I could have the basic fundamental rights that the constitution was supposed to grant all people.

He's earned what ever he gets. None of you would have done what he did.

[Meshuga Mikey]

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[Bassman]

I'm kinda tired of you dumb ass conservatives and racists in this forum who just keep on bashing Rev. Jackson.

You say that he is a race pimp, yet, every time you guys say something like that, something comes up that shows that Jackson is no race pimp, and that race is still a very bothersome issue to people in this nation.

Also there is evidence presented that racism and the belief that we should go back to separate and unequal, or the states right to deny rights.

Well, I'm gonna tell you people something about Rev. Jesse Jackson, that none of you seem to understand.

First of, if not for people like Jackson who put their lives on the line, and some of them died, I would not have the freedom I have today. I would still have to get off the sidewalk if a white person walked on it. I would still have to call every white person sir or maam, even if they were a infant, and accept being called boy, even by 3 year olds while I am a grown man. I would have to sit in the back of the bus, I would not be able to eat in the restaurants I want, not live in the neighborhood I want.

None of your consrevative idiots put their lives on the lines for anyone like that.

Rev. Jackson is not the only black person out there that has credentials and is considered a leader. But white america, specifically dumb ass conservative racist America has appointed Rev. Jackson as the only voice of black America. It's either him or Rev. Sharpton.

Do any of you know Rev.Lowery? What about Tavis Smiley? What about Cornell West? How About Mfume, Julian Bond, Andrew Young? Shelia Lee, Maxine Watters, John Lewis, Conyers, or Charles Rangel? I mean I can keep on going.

To you idiots, the only blacks worth listening to are people like Ward Connerly, a great denialist, or Sowell, people who you can agree with, and people who want to ignore the reality that race has mattered inthis nation, and that whites have gotten and continue recieving most of the race based preferences.

Several in this forum have stated that blacks don't know what to do with thinkers like Sowell. Yes we do, we ignore him, because if he was thinking he would make statements which are consistent with reality.

White people have a problem with real black intellectuals such as Dr. West. Dr. West criticsizes white society, and does so with credentials, and fact. You will not see him on Fox talking to Hannity or O'Reilly because they know that this man has too much on top for them.

Sowell and others like him cannot match up intellectually with this man either.

In times like these, the individual the people hate the most, is the individual who is telling the greatest truth. GWB and your conservative icons are lying to you, and you people are too dumb to see it. Rev. Jackson is telling you the truth, yet you hate him because what he is saying attacks your core belief.

Change the way you think about your fellow man. Doing this small thing will save the lives of approximately 50-100,000 American lives in the very near future.

Trent Lott did not put his life on the line to make sure that I could have the same rights as every American who was white. In fact he stood against it, he was one of the people who supported ending lives or beating blacks down to put them in their places.

Neither did Robert Byrd. At a point in his life, we was for the murder of blacks just as Ternt Lott still is.

So when you guys make your jabs on Jackson, remember that number one, he will never be Martin Luther King Jr. Jackson knows that.

But, that he is in my estimation just as patriotic as any person you can name simply hecause he stood in harms way, so that I could have the basic fundamental rights that the constitution was supposed to grant all people.

He's earned what ever he gets. None of you would have done what he did.









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You get paid by the word?

Hymietown earned what he has?Yep.Just like Fat Tony Salerno,Giancana,Gotti,Luciano,and any other protection racket boss.
Ask Budweiser.Hymietown said "boycott" and...
TA DAAAAAAAA....
Bud distributorsuip for his sons(which baby mommy,I wonder?)in a flash.Bud distributorships are VERY difficult to get.The Hymietown love children got theirs very quickly.
Save the racist bullshit jargon,too.I'm not racist.I dislike everybody equally,until they prove worthy of my friendship or admiration.

[truelies]

Rev. Jackson is not the only black person out there that has credentials and is considered a leader. But white america, specifically dumb ass conservative racist America has appointed Rev. Jackson as the only voice of black America. It's either him or Rev. Sharpton.

Do any of you know Rev.Lowery? What about Tavis Smiley? What about Cornell West? How About Mfume, Julian Bond, Andrew Young? Shelia Lee, Maxine Watters, John Lewis, Conyers, or Charles Rangel? I mean I can keep on going.



No you can stop anytime. It would appear that your ideas of what a Black 'leader' is begins and ends with whiny socialistic redistributionism in blackface. Not one of the fucking these idiots you worship is worthy to pinch a pimple on the butt of great thinking Americans like Thomas Sowell or Walter Williams. Take your crap back to democratsunderground. There you might find a few honkies who are goddamned stupid enough to take it seriously.

[nickg]

jackson is a black hypocrite idiot asshole. deal with it.

so where do you want the reparations check sent to?

[Jethro Tull]

Jackson is an extortionist. He threatens to organize boycotts and/or demonstrations against corporations, unless they adopt some approved form of his "minority outreach" programs. This entails hiring some Jackson crony's company to put on "diversity seminars" or even sit on the board of directors. Or, sometimes, as mentioned already, giving his SONS distributorships they could never have qualified for by experience or financial backing.

If you find this admirable, you are probably a thief, too. With any luck, one or both of you will draw a substantial prison sentence one of these days.

[lgllady]

Blacks are waking up to Jackson's perfidity. He weaseled a position based on lies (Martin Luther King, Jr. died in his arms) and used that position to benefit his friends. Being his friend means that the proceeds of the benefits conferred are shared with Jackson. That's what he did wrong. During his career there were hundreds of deserving and struggling black businesses that could not come up with a sufficiently large donation to his cause so he ignored them to promote his buddies. Forget the Anheuser Busch franchise given to Jackson's son. Forget his self-serving promotion in Africa where he out and out blackmailed African businesses, then sent the impoverished governments the bill for his first-class accommodations. Even forget his use of El-Runkn gang members to intimidate businesses who would not play Jackson-Ball. What the black community will not forget is his disastrous to the black community Wall Street Project which cut out many black businesses who could not afford his up front participation fees, and which created billionaires out of his select group of friends.

Jess Jackson has been an enemy of the black community since the day he was tossed out of seminary school.

[Meshuga Mikey]

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[lgllady]

One other thing that emerging black leaders will never forget. JJ got his buddy an 8A contractor's license to qualify for government construction jobs, and hired all the white subcontractors because they kicked back. His Friend was the only black to make a dime out of billions in government construction.

[Meshuga Mikey]

Blacks are waking up to Jackson's perfidity. He weaseled a position based on lies (Martin Luther King, Jr. died in his arms) and used that position to benefit his friends. Being his friend means that the proceeds of the benefits conferred are shared with Jackson. That's what he did wrong. During his career there were hundreds of deserving and struggling black businesses that could not come up with a sufficiently large donation to his cause so he ignored them to promote his buddies. Forget the Anheuser Busch franchise given to Jackson's son. Forget his self-serving promotion in Africa where he out and out blackmailed African businesses, then sent the impoverished governments the bill for his first-class accommodations. Even forget his use of El-Runkn gang members to intimidate businesses who would not play Jackson-Ball. What the black community will not forget is his disastrous to the black community Wall Street Project which cut out many black businesses who could not afford his up front participation fees, and which created billionaires out of his select group of friends.

Jess Jackson has been an enemy of the black community since the day he was tossed out of seminary school.


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[IM]

Paid by the word. Have to use a lot of words, this is the only way you people can understand. Gotta break it down to the simplest component.

Well, I got the expected.

The dumb ass drivel of Mikey. Who says he calls it as he sees it, yet cannot see who the real race pimps are.

The rest of you,

I think that Rev.Jackson long time ago stated that he did not hold King in his arms at his death. However, what seems to be forgotten is that Jackson was a one of King's confidants. He was in the inner circle, and he did stand in those lines in the south, risking his very life.

This is something you guys want to forget. He put his life on the line so that ALL Americans could be free. Yet people much like you guys said he was a troublemaker, and that the problem was not segregation, because all the "Nigra's" was happy with the system. A classic case of white denial as Blacks had fought this system tooth and nail since it was instituted.

That brings me to the issue of extortion. Jackson using minority "outreach" program as extortion. How much does that sound like the southern argument which made King the troublemaker instead of segretationists.

According to one here, Jackson extorts by threatening corporations with boycotts unless they agree to the so-called shakedown. How ignorant that sounds.

First of all there is such a thing as law. And the law according to this issue is that if a company has a proven track record of under utilization of minorities, they must put a mechanism in place to remedy such a disparity.

So if there is no underutilization, then there can be no so-called extortion.

Also, I think that he threatened a boycott for example against texaco a few years ago. Now ask yourself this question:

Where is the extortion in this case?

Company CEO's were talking racial shit and what they said was recorded as part of company records. Jackson threatened a boycott in this case, and since extortion involves trying to get something for nothing, threatening
Texaco with a boycott based upon racial discrimination is valid, especially given the conversation.

Jethro Tull,

Did you vote for GWB? If you didn't do you support him today?

All again,

To consider Sowell or Walter Willimas great thinkers and the only great thinkers in the black community shows that the only positions you people are willing to consider is the easy option. Just follow those people who you can easily agree with. That's because you're too simple minded to expand your mindsets to not only understanding competing philosophies, but developing a philosophy that can be moderate and not leaning too far to one side.

Whiny socialistic redistributionist in black face huh?

Well dumb ass, you better understand that this nation is crumbling and not because we pay too much in taxes to support the poor. None of your arguments support the reality of what is happening in America today. We stand at the brink of a high level of blood shed. Not because you pay too much to the government, but because more and more people do not have enough to eat, a decent place to live, and cannot get help when they are sick.

Now we have tried the system you people claim is the greatest ever for more than 200 years. It has died at least twice, and many people lost everything. Now we have those in our numbers who have gotten very rich cooking the books and lying to people who were putting their money into accounts based upon beleiving that the lies were true.

These same people made off with millions, perhaps billions of dollars, while those who believed their lies are broke. More than 200 of our largest businesses have done this. Yet all you narrow minded, dumb ass, head in the sand, conservatives want to complain about is how you pay too much in taxes.

This nation is broke, it was broke during all of Clintons years. The surplus was projected, which meant that if we continued on the path we were using, that surpluses would come. Yet we did not, we rejected this because most of you dumb asses fell for rthe rhetoric of the right wing, who only want to send everyone to war, and make sure that the richest get even richer.

To Nickg,

Send the reparations to your momma. If not for people like Jackson, I probably would not be freed today. And that's the bottom line.

Finally,

Jackson is not the only black "leader." However he is the "leader" you people pick out to target. Go ahead and target Jackson all you want, because there are others coming, and these people will not be standing up in boycott lines asking for your support.

These people will demand economic equality in the marketplace, and will use the same means to make it as the white man did. Some will use hook and crook, but this is the way of capitalism. These people will use the 500 billion dollars we spend in this nation(the 9th largest GDP in the world) to exert pressure on American business and those who are elected.

You see there is a left, and there is a right, then there is the most dangerous combination of all, people who are centrist and can dig out positives of both sides to create a solution.

None of you are in this number. But we'll clean up the mess you have made of this nation.


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[Meshuga Mikey]

Well, I got the expected.
The dumb ass drivel of Mikey. Who says he calls it as he sees it, yet cannot see who the real race pimps are.


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[IM]

Dumbass, backwoods, inbred, racist, jackass Mikey,

Instead of wasting bandwidth with your stupid ass illustrations, why don't you post up the numerous scams Jackson has done to the white man, and I will answer what I know about them.

Then we shall examine the scams GWB and Cheney, Lamar Alexander, and other white men have done to everyone relative to stock options, buying out and selling stocks and purchasing companies on sale while having insider information others did not have.

After this, we shall compare the amount of money each has stolen.

We'll start with the fact that when Jackson ran for President in 1988 he reported earnings and assets of just about 250,000 dollars, making him the poorest candidate running that year.

Now after we compare the amounts of money stolen by Jackson and your conservative boys, we will certainly see who is the biggest crook.

So post up the numerous scams,

or;

BE QUIET!

[cobe]

"Then we shall examine the scams GWB and Cheney, Lamar Alexander, and other white men have done to everyone relative to stock options, buying out and selling stocks and purchasing companies on sale while having insider information others did not have.

After this, we shall compare the amount of money each has stolen.

We'll start with the fact that when Jackson ran for President in 1988 he reported earnings and assets of just about 250,000 dollars, making him the poorest candidate running that year.

Now after we compare the amounts of money stolen by Jackson and your conservative boys, we will certainly see who is the biggest crook.

So post up the numerous scams"

Excellent suggestion!

Instead of falling for the racial divide and conquer game politicians play against us to their own advantage, it would be better to illustrate what a bunch of slimy crooks politicians of all races and parties are.

[Meshuga Mikey]

Dumbass, backwoods, inbred, racist, jackass Mikey,

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Instead of wasting bandwidth with your stupid ass illustrations, why don't you post up the numerous scams Jackson has done to the white man, and I will answer what I know about them.

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Then we shall examine the scams GWB and Cheney, Lamar Alexander, and other white men have done to everyone relative to stock options, buying out and selling stocks and purchasing companies on sale while having insider information others did not have.

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[Satan]

I'm kinda tired of you dumb ass conservatives and racists in this forum who just keep on bashing Rev. Jackson.

You see, this is why I rarely read any of your bullshit. You charge straight out of the gate every fucking time with ad hominem attacks. Where did you learn these tactics? The Julianne Malveaux School of Loud-Mouthed Argument? I got news for you. I'm kinda tired of your condescension, and I can be nastier than you ever dreamed of being.

You say that he is a race pimp, yet, every time you guys say something like that, something comes up that shows that Jackson is no race pimp, and that race is still a very bothersome issue to people in this nation.

Race is only a 'bothersome issue' because we can't get people like you to shut the hell up about it. And when I say 'we' I don't mean 'white folks', I mean anybody who doesn't view themself as a damned victim.

Also there is evidence presented that racism and the belief that we should go back to separate and unequal, or the states right to deny rights.

Let me guess. You're one of those who hears the words 'states' rights' and automatically thinks of some redneck wishing that 'all the niggers would just get back out in the cottonfields where they belong'. Of course that's the only thing you want it to mean, because that's what suits your purpose. History be damned.

Well, I'm gonna tell you people something about Rev. Jesse Jackson, that none of you seem to understand.

First of, if not for people like Jackson who put their lives on the line, and some of them died, I would not have the freedom I have today. I would still have to get off the sidewalk if a white person walked on it. I would still have to call every white person sir or maam, even if they were a infant, and accept being called boy, even by 3 year olds while I am a grown man. I would have to sit in the back of the bus, I would not be able to eat in the restaurants I want, not live in the neighborhood I want.

None of your consrevative idiots put their lives on the lines for anyone like that.


Bullshit. Desegregation was inevitable. MLK and those like him may have hastened the cause, but they were NOT the cause itself. Ordinary people, black and white, caused the changes to occur. If Jesse did anything even remotely heroic, it has been overshadowed by his deserved reputation as a media whore.

Rev. Jackson is not the only black person out there that has credentials and is considered a leader. But white america, specifically dumb ass conservative racist America has appointed Rev. Jackson as the only voice of black America. It's either him or Rev. Sharpton.

Do any of you know Rev.Lowery? What about Tavis Smiley? What about Cornell West? How About Mfume, Julian Bond, Andrew Young? Shelia Lee, Maxine Watters, John Lewis, Conyers, or Charles Rangel? I mean I can keep on going.

Oh for the love of God, don't. If ANY of those people (with the possible exception of John Lewis) can be considered 'leaders', race will FOREVER be a 'bothersome issue'. It's the ONLY issue they give a damn about, because it's the ONLY issue that keeps them in their jobs and in the spotlight.

To you idiots, the only blacks worth listening to are people like Ward Connerly, a great denialist, or Sowell, people who you can agree with, and people who want to ignore the reality that race has mattered inthis nation, and that whites have gotten and continue recieving most of the race based preferences.

Several in this forum have stated that blacks don't know what to do with thinkers like Sowell. Yes we do, we ignore him, because if he was thinking he would make statements which are consistent with reality.

Perhaps if YOU were thinking, you'd reexamine your concept of 'reality'. You ignore him simply because he refuses to promise you everything you ever wanted at the expense of all white people. He refuses to pander to you because he doesn't need your vote to keep his crooked ass in a House seat. And MOST OF ALL, he refuses to accept your fucking whining about how mistreated you are, and fully expects you to make a man of YOURSELF, without a pity-handout from me. THAT is the reality of it. I don't give a rat's ass whether you WANT to believe it or NOT, but if you don't, be prepared to end your days pushing a broom and bitching about your white landlord (that would be me). Pissing and moaning never bought a damned thing for Jesse's 'people', but it damn sure has made him wealthy. Of course, YOU AIN'T JESSE. You're just another one of his suckers.

White people have a problem with real black intellectuals such as Dr. West. Dr. West criticsizes white society, and does so with credentials, and fact. You will not see him on Fox talking to Hannity or O'Reilly because they know that this man has too much on top for them.

Sowell and others like him cannot match up intellectually with this man either.

Since I've never heard West 'debate', I'll reserve comparison, but I do believe that ANY liberal would be hard pressed to take Sowell on.

In times like these, the individual the people hate the most, is the individual who is telling the greatest truth. GWB and your conservative icons are lying to you, and you people are too dumb to see it. Rev. Jackson is telling you the truth, yet you hate him because what he is saying attacks your core belief.

"In times like these, the individual the people hate the most, is the individual who is telling the greatest truth. [Jesse Jackson] and your [liberal] icons are lying to you, and you people are too dumb to see it. [Larry Elder] is telling you the truth, yet you hate him because what he is saying attacks your core belief."

See how easy that was?

Change the way you think about your fellow man. Doing this small thing will save the lives of approximately 50-100,000 American lives in the very near future.

???

Trent Lott did not put his life on the line to make sure that I could have the same rights as every American who was white. In fact he stood against it, he was one of the people who supported ending lives or beating blacks down to put them in their places.

Neither did Robert Byrd. At a point in his life, we was for the murder of blacks just as Ternt Lott still is.

And once a racist, always a racist, right? ::) Hey, I don't like Lott or Byrd either, but it's a tad hypocritical for you to bitch that we hold up Jackson and Sharpton as examples, while you trot out the Klan, don't you think?

So when you guys make your jabs on Jackson, remember that number one, he will never be Martin Luther King Jr. Jackson knows that.

You bet he does. He also knows that a great many black people don't, and he works it like a two-bit hooker.

But, that he is in my estimation just as patriotic as any person you can name simply hecause he stood in harms way, so that I could have the basic fundamental rights that the constitution was supposed to grant all people.

He's earned what ever he gets. None of you would have done what he did.

THE CONSTITUTION DOES NOT 'GRANT RIGHTS'. The Creator granted rights. The Constitution is meant to protect them. Learn it, so you can live by it.

That said, let me give you some personal insight. I was born just south of Atlanta, GA, and with the exception of a few years in Birmingham AL (the other old bastion of racism), I've lived here all my life. My grandfather was as racist as the day is long, and two of my uncles were card-carrying members of the Ku Klux Klan. I fought hard to keep that shit from poisoning me. I've also watched as Jackson, Lowery, Bond and Young drove damn near ALL the white people out of Atlanta with their pandering and preferential treatment of blacks, and then listened to them whine about 'white flight'. I've seen enough racism to last me a HUNDRED lifetimes, and I've seen it on BOTH sides.

It just about killed my grandfather when I became a hippie in the late 60's. As if the long hair wasn't bad enough, I started hanging around with <gasp!> 'niggers'. I went to school with them, I worked beside them, I played in bands with them. I couldn't help but become friends with some of them. In that day, they truly wanted to be my equal, and I considered them to be. And why not? They put their pants on one leg at a time, and they worked and played and lived just like I did. Hell, I've never been 'white-bread' a day in my life, and it was more surprising to them than me that we could be friends, in spite of the times. But we found that we had things in common, just as I had things in common with my white friends, and our friendships proved our equality (a concept no doubt you cannot grasp), much to my grandfather's dismay. He died a bitter old man, and I was determined not to follow in his footsteps, seething in hatred of something he had no control over, nor any right to control.

But those friends are, for the most part, still my friends. (And before you even ask that tired old question, YES, they come to my house, and I go to theirs. Hell we even go out in public together. Imagine that.) They are as resentful of their parents and grandparents for their belief in people like Jesse Jackson as I was of my grandfather for his belief in J.B. Stoner. They are successful in their lives because they determined for themselves that they would be, and worked from there. They're mostly conservative politically, and NOT ONE feels like I owe him anything. And they despise people like you, who make a mockery of their achievements.

Funny thing is, they call themselves 'black' or 'American' (NOT Hyphenated-Americans), but for all your sucking up to folks like those you rattled off, they'd call you 'nigger' to your face in a New York minute. Perhaps they're 'more equal' than me after all. I'd end up in jail for that.

[Moonchild]

THE CONSTITUTION DOES NOT 'GRANT RIGHTS'. The Creator granted rights. The Constitution is meant to protect them. Learn it, so you can live by it.




Well then, all you got to do is to _ prove _ that there is a creator, and that he granted those rights. Should be simple enough! ::Moon holds his breath in anticipation::

[Moonchild]

IM;

I’m not that fond of the way you debate, and I have some doubts to its sincerity, but the topic is interesting.


I'm kinda tired of you dumb ass conservatives and racists in this forum who just keep on bashing Rev. Jackson.

I don’t know enough about Rev. JJ to say what kind of man he is, and will not try to do so here. I will rather concentrate on the broader picture.

I think I have detected a pattern of personal attacks/bashing of people as a political tool, and find it utterly distasteful. On that at least I think we agree.

Many of the discussions are in my view based on nothing but lies and misrepresentations. Bold headings which has noting to do with the text quoted, misrepresentation of statements, irrelevant characteristics.

I suspect that sites like Free Republic organize such deliberate misrepresentations as they appear on numerous different BB’s with the same breach in logic and at the same time.

It does not create a good environment in which to discuss important matters, and neither does it breed good character. It’s an abomination.

It’s also sad to see that people who I in general find to be intelligent and honest, fall for the rhetoric and turn into vindictive slanderers, following the general flow of the times.

[Satan]

Well then, all you got to do is to _ prove _ that there is a creator, and that he granted those rights. Should be simple enough! ::Moon holds his breath in anticipation::




I used 'the Creator' because it's part of the wording of the Declaration of Independence. Contrary to Republican belief, proof of 'God' is neither implied nor must it necessarily be proven in order to make the statement true (contrary to Democratic belief). If one believes strictly in evolution, then 'the Creator' is evolution. The fact remains that by our very existence we have inherent and unalienable rights: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

[Jethro Tull]

The point, which those with limited reasoning powers cannot seem to grasp, is that government can not "grant" anyone any rights at all; they can ONLY take rights away.

Much disinformation about Jesse Jackson is being spewed forth, even as his perfidy is ignored.

Jackson DID claim for years that he cradled the dying King in his arms, even used to brandish a blood-stained shirt. Jackson was NOT in King's "inner circle," as he was a very young bullshit artist who had done nothing to gain the respect or attention of either King nor the other real leaders of SCLC. He was the one who fetched coffee.

Neither was Jackson present for any of the demonstrations where lives were really at stake. He is a chicken shit self-promoter. He never gave a flying fuck about how many blacks got hired at Texaco or any other company he targeted: he ONLY cared that his friends got contracts so they could kick back part to him. His track record on this is clear and consistent.

Jackson's sons have absolutely no experience or independent financing that would catapult them to the top of the long waiting list of Budweiser distributors - AHEAD of many more-qualified black applicants, btw. But once they got their distributorship, Jesse's threatened boycott went away. That's extortion, no matter what spin the ignorant care to put on it.

HINT: Attempting to cover stupidity with verbosity never works. You only give us more examples of your stupidity. Perhaps both of you should take a class in remedial English.

[Meshuga Mikey]

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Get a grip. You cannot possibly be comparing Jesse Jackson to the late great Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. or Rosa Parks. Those people stood up for what they truly believed in and waged war against the one, great injustice. Jesse Jackson goes around making mountains out of mole hills and stirring up people's emotions and making issues out of things that nobody but him gives a damn about. He does this in order to keep HIMSELF in the spotlight, to keep HIMSELF employed or funded by whomever it is that funds his stupid shit. He takes every chance he has to glorify HIMSELF and further HIS agenda. There is no selflessness in his deeds. He isn't putting his life and that of his loved ones on the line. He's living like royalty and celebrity off of whomever funds his stupid shit.

BTW I am forever fascinated by how the media portrays racism as a white affliction. Most of the white people I know could not care less about black people. Not giving a shit about someone and their plight is not the same thing as hating them. On the other hand I have met black people too numerous to count who actively and daily find reasons to hate white people. I will boldly declare that there is more REAL racism among blacks than among whites. The gravest charge you could level against most whites is one of apathy.

Jesse Jackson is trying to get everyone to give a shit about anything and everything having to do with blacks. Well I don't give a shit. I have my own life to live and my own way to make in this world and if it is a bit harder for a black man to do it well boo fucking hoo. Hard work builds character.

[Meshuga Mikey]

YOU WITE PEOPLE OWES US DAMBIT~!!!!

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[Moonchild]

I used 'the Creator' because it's part of the wording of the Declaration of Independence. Contrary to Republican belief, proof of 'God' is neither implied nor must it necessarily be proven in order to make the statement true (contrary to Democratic belief). If one believes strictly in evolution, then 'the Creator' is evolution. The fact remains that by our very existence we have inherent and unalienable rights: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.


What does inherent mean? What makes someting inherent?

[Satan]

From Webster's (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary):

inherent

involved in the constitution or essential character of something : belonging by nature or habit : INTRINSIC

[lgllady]

Rosa Parks! Give me a break, the whole incident was a lie from the Rosa Parks poor seamstress to her being forced to give up her seat. Rosa Parks was a communist and a secretary who sat on her butt all day. She rode that bus for hours waiting for just the right time to pull her publicity stunt.

[Meshuga Mikey]

Jaskasses Attempted Scam EXTORTION of Qualer Oats the Makers Of AUNT JEMIMA Products is the First SCAM to be listed here,..YOUR ASSIGNMENT if you have the GUTS to go after it,.... FO YOSEF,... is to investigate the additional Plethora of Scams, Extortions and and Failed attempts perpetrated by the Revrunt Jackass~!!

Happy Hunting BIGMOUTH~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lgllady]

Fortunately much of JJs scams were already researched and published in Shakedown.

Although JJ cheated white guys, he never cheated them as badly as he cheated the blacks who supported him.

[Meshuga Mikey]

Fortunately much of JJs scams were already researched and published in Shakedown.

Although JJ cheated white guys, he never cheated them as badly as he cheated the blacks who supported him.

Did you expect that these whiney Juvenile Race baiting Chilldrings might actually PURCHASE and or READ Shakedown?

I am of the opinion they are posing as adamant militants and are in fact 12 year old PUNKS, bored with doom and MYST, who have discovered that they can Piss Mommy and Daddy Types off,.... by posting absolute nonsense on the net~!!!

I've gotten the sense also that some of the posters on this forum are either precocious children or adults with arrested developement. I'm not sure which is worse, although I think it is truly tragic that the latter group might be breeding.

[Moonchild]

From Webster's (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary):

inherent

involved in the constitution or essential character of something : belonging by nature or habit : INTRINSIC


Well do you feel up to explaining how those rights are exclusively inherent from an evolutionary point of view. (PS. You might have better luck proving God)

[Satan]

And I might have better 'luck' explaining it to someone who will think for themselves and offer counter-argument rather than play 'cat and mouse' with me. Nevertheless...

In answer to your question, I might feel up to explaining it to you, if you felt up to giving me some hint as to where this is leading, or why you find what I've already said to be objectionable. In the meantime, consider this: I COMMAND you to do my laundry for one year. If you feel that I am outside my right to make such a demand, then by all means tell me why. Otherwise I will expect you at my doorstep bright and early on Monday morning. ;)

[IM]

I wanna read Shakedown. Whos the author?

Moonchild,

I debate as I do for a reason. I don't like looking and reading posts which are laced with racism. I also am stating a personal opinion, I am tired of conservatives. I mean half truth is not the entire truth. Also I have tired of the constant bashing of Rev. Jackson, who did place his life on he line, and all blacks know this to be true. We have known for years that Jackson did not hold Rev. Kings blood stained shirt, and we have known for years that Rev. Ralph Abernathy was his right hand man.

But as Rev. Abernathy got old and had alzhiemers, certain statements were attributed to h m by the right wing press pertaining to Dr. King's fidelity which have been used by those on the right as reasn to denounce what King did, yet Abernathy's statements have never been proven correct.

What Jackson has done, and others like hm, is dedicate their lives to making everyone's life better. Of course those who are not interested in this, but are interested in making sure that whites rule, will tell everyone that Jackson is a shakedown artist who practices extortion on innocent corporations to force them into hiring minorities. Yet the law is clear, and it sems that when Jackson has visited these corporations, they were in violation of the law. This is a point that seems to be missed by the right wing.

Mikey,

You said numerous scams, Aunt Jemima, the bottle and everything else does represent racist connotations and bad memories for blacks. NO SCAM!

Now since you made the statement that Jackson committed NUMEROUS scams, it is your duty to back up your statement with facts.

OAG

This is the problem, white apathy. People like you feel that since you may not be q racist, that racism does not exist. You need to start listening to people who say it does, because it does.

Then you state that you see blacks who find reasons to hate white people. You don't see white racism because you are apathetic to it. Yet you are out looking for any instance of black anger then will turn it around and call it racism.

There are some blacks who are very angry at the system and at what seem to be an attempt to move back to the days when blacks were considered second class citizens, even sub human.

I mean, given the history of this nations treatment of blacks can you understand why there might be a few blacks out there who are just a little mad?

Then you also need to unmderstand racism. It is an unjustified hatred of people, and a belief in the superiority of your race. Less than 100,000 blacks believe that they are superior to anyone, and these people belong to the Nation Of Islam. That is less than 1/2 of one percent of the black population pal. OOPS, you aren't my pal, so I guess I should say buddy.

Just how many whites believe that they are superior to blacks?

More than that number.

You see OAG you don't have to look for racism when you are black, it finds you. No it does not happen every day, well unless you watch the Fox network or listen to talk radio. And then you have the choice not to listen or watch the offending shows. You are working very hard looking for black "racists" so that you can continue denying that race is still a MAJOR problem in America.

And when you say that whites are apathetic to this issue, you show that there are others who want to deny the problem just like you do.

Finally you sit on your ass talking about boo fucking who, then alternately cry about how the government should not force people to do something. Well it was the government at every level that forced blacks into second class citizenship, and it is the government at all levels today, through the acts of individuals within, who continue making sure that their white buddies will get most of the opportunities.

If things were equal, and everyone had a fair shot at the belt, then I would agree wioth you OAG. But it's not, and this advantage you white people were given was created by a system which made sure that people like you got every preference in the book. This is why I wonder why white boys like you are crying about the goverment. After all this goverment was created by you, and soley for your benefit.

So when I here a white boy crying about the goverment, I should be like you and say that I don't give a damn about white boys crying. I mean it's not racist for me not to care. I have my own life to live and my own way to make it in this world and if it is becoming harder for a white man to make it in this world, well boo fucking who. Hard work builds character. I mean after all OAG, the white man has really never done much hard work, if you study history it will bear this out.

Lglady,

I think that part of what you say is true, a very small part. Rosa Parks was a seamstress, her sit down was organized. She did not ride the bus for hours, and she was not the first to work on the buses to desgegregate. There was a bus tour earlier in the 1950's from Washingotn D.C. through the south, with whites and blacks riding the bus as a statement against discrimination. But since you are a fool for right wing rhetoric, you still should understand just how courageous the move was. Her life and health was still in jeopardy, and no matter how much you right wingers want to dismiss this, you cannot.

Now I want to know tha authors name of Shakedown. Is it another right wing author whose agenda is discrediting Jackson to the masses so that the southern strategy can be implemented?

Is there a link to the book and author I can read?

[Meshuga Mikey]

IM you poor PATHETIC MORON,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, the SCAM was JESSE'S ATTEMPTED EXTORTION OF MONEY from,...... the QUAKER OATS COMPANY~!!!!


IM ,.....YOU POOR PATHETIC MORON THAT YOU"D ATTEMPT TO FORCE OTHERS TO USE A SEARCH ENGINE,,,, TO FIND THE LOCATION OF AN EASILY OBTAINABLE BIT OF INFORMATION ON THE BOOK SHAKEDOWN MORE THAN ADEQUATELY ILLUSTRATES WHAT A PATHETIC POSTURING LAZY SOB YOU TRULY ARE~

TRY AMAZON ----DOT---COM you simple flake~!!!

[Satan]

IM you poor PATHETIC MORON,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, the SCAM was JESSE'S ATTEMPTED EXTORTION OF MONEY from,...... the QUAKER OATS COMPANY~!!!!


IM ,.....YOU POOR PATHETIC MORON THAT YOU"D ATTEMPT TO FORCE OTHERS TO USE A SEARCH ENGINE,,,, TO FIND THE LOCATION OF AN EASILY OBTAINABLE BIT OF INFORMATION ON THE BOOK SHAKEDOWN MORE THAN ADEQUATELY ILLUSTRATES WHAT A PATHETIC POSTURING LAZY SOB YOU TRULY ARE~

TRY AMAZON ----DOT---COM you simple flake~!!!


I guess he figures that when you're black, you don't have to look for information, information finds you.

[IM]

Sky,

I guess he figures that when you're black, you don't have to look for information, information finds you.

I guess you figure that when you're white you don't have to pay attention to facts, you just keep repeating the same lie enough times and it will miraculously turn to the truth.

Mikey,

You have until Monday to post up every scam that you claim Jackson has committed. Since you are the expert on Jacksons scams, you should have the facts readily available.

Aunt Jemima and Quaker Oats are just 2 of the many you claim. I suppose that Texaco and Denny's are scams too.

So far what you call scams are cases where acts of discrimination actually happend. Cases where U.S. law was broken. And there was hard evidence that showed that those at the top were the law breakers.

No Scam!

I think if you call Jackson an adulterer, I would agree. And I would agree that he was wrong to have a mistress and pay that mistress with any money from any fund, except from his own salary for child support. But if this is the only scam you can find, we can contrast that with your right wingers and you will see that you may have to just;

SHUT UP!

[Jethro Tull]

The companies that Jesse Jackson targets are NOT in violation of the law, else they would be handled by LAW ENFORCEMENT. Jackson is not the LAW, and cannot threaten anyone with it.

JJ threatens boycotts of companies he considers insufficiently "diverse." He does NOT force these companies to hire minorties at all. He drops his threat of boycott when the companies agree to hire his FRIENDS as "diversity consultants" or give them seats on the company board. He couldn't CARE LESS about minorities other than his rich black kickback pals.

Ignorant people may repeat the garbage about JJ "putting his life on the line" over and over; it still doesn't make it true. The FACT remains that Jackson is nothing but a self-promoting jive turkey.

[Satan]

Sky,

I guess you figure that when you're white you don't have to pay attention to facts, you just keep repeating the same lie enough times and it will miraculously turn to the truth.

Damn, IM, is that the best you can come up with? I'm disappointed, boy. I could very well say the same to you, and it would be worth just about as much. But then, so would a hill of shit.

Just keep on keepin' on, Brutha Man. Fight the Power and all that bullshit. ::)

[Flyrod]

Sky,

I guess you figure that when you're white you don't have to pay attention to facts, you just keep repeating the same lie enough times and it will miraculously turn to the truth.

Damn, IM, is that the best you can come up with? I'm disappointed, boy. I could very well say the same to you, and it would be worth just about as much. But then, so would a hill of shit.

Just keep on keepin' on, Brutha Man. Fight the Power and all that bullshit. ::)


Well Sky, you just keep on hitting the nail, so all I say is keep on hitting!!!!! Bingos!!!!!

[Flyrod]

The companies that Jesse Jackson targets are NOT in violation of the law, else they would be handled by LAW ENFORCEMENT. Jackson is not the LAW, and cannot threaten anyone with it.

JJ threatens boycotts of companies he considers insufficiently "diverse." He does NOT force these companies to hire minorties at all. He drops his threat of boycott when the companies agree to hire his FRIENDS as "diversity consultants" or give them seats on the company board. He couldn't CARE LESS about minorities other than his rich black kickback pals.

Ignorant people may repeat the garbage about JJ "putting his life on the line" over and over; it still doesn't make it true. The FACT remains that Jackson is nothing but a self-promoting jive turkey.
JT, I agree and the reverend Jackson is just using PC bull shit to reach his goals!! Jackson is no more a reverend than my dog!!!

[Moonchild]

I wanna read Shakedown. Whos the author?

Moonchild,

I debate as I do for a reason. I don't like looking and reading posts which are laced with racism. I also am stating a personal opinion, I am tired of conservatives. I mean half truth is not the entire truth. Also I have tired of the constant bashing of Rev. Jackson, who did place his life on he line, and all blacks know this to be true. We have known for years that Jackson did not hold Rev. Kings blood stained shirt, and we have known for years that Rev. Ralph Abernathy was his right hand man.

But as Rev. Abernathy got old and had alzhiemers, certain statements were attributed to h m by the right wing press pertaining to Dr. King's fidelity which have been used by those on the right as reasn to denounce what King did, yet Abernathy's statements have never been proven correct.

What Jackson has done, and others like hm, is dedicate their lives to making everyone's life better. Of course those who are not interested in this, but are interested in making sure that whites rule, will tell everyone that Jackson is a shakedown artist who practices extortion on innocent corporations to force them into hiring minorities. Yet the law is clear, and it sems that when Jackson has visited these corporations, they were in violation of the law. This is a point that seems to be missed by the right wing.




IM the way you target Conservatives is akin to racism. (Racism is similar to prejudice). It will make it harder for you to find the truth.

Its easy and convenient to have an opponent to bounce of, but I don’t find it constructive. I try to look at the idea it self, and don’t care much for what group that supports it. In other words if Rev. JJ say something I’ll look into the merits of the argument, just as when G.W.B say something.

I find your post to be very simplistic and frankly untrue regarding the motives of the conservatives, and I’d say probably about R JJ as well. It’s not that clear cut.

R JJ could do some good for race matters, and be corrupt at the same time. It’s not an either or deal.

[Satan]

Well Sky, you just keep on hitting the nail, so all I say is keep on hitting!!!!! Bingos!!!!!


I'm a carpenter, flyrod. Hitting the nail ain't no trick. I've been building bridges for thirty-some years now, and I've built quite a few. But every time I try to build one to reach people like IM, I get two feet off the shore, and they swim over and torch it, then swim back to 'their side' and mouth off about how I'm not working hard enough. Fuck it. I ain't putting down another board until I see his ass pick up a hammer on the other side of the damn stream.

[greginboise]

Sky,

I guess he figures that when you're black, you don't have to look for information, information finds you.

I guess you figure that when you're white you don't have to pay attention to facts, you just keep repeating the same lie enough times and it will miraculously turn to the truth.

Mikey,

You have until Monday to post up every scam that you claim Jackson has committed. Since you are the expert on Jacksons scams, you should have the facts readily available.

Aunt Jemima and Quaker Oats are just 2 of the many you claim. I suppose that Texaco and Denny's are scams too.

So far what you call scams are cases where acts of discrimination actually happend. Cases where U.S. law was broken. And there was hard evidence that showed that those at the top were the law breakers.

No Scam!

I think if you call Jackson an adulterer, I would agree. And I would agree that he was wrong to have a mistress and pay that mistress with any money from any fund, except from his own salary for child support. But if this is the only scam you can find, we can contrast that with your right wingers and you will see that you may have to just;

SHUT UP!






Hey, peckerwood, anyone mention the Toyota scam yet? Further, where does the govt. (or anyone else)get the idea that a private business isn't allowed to discriminate? I must have missed that part of the Constitution. We ALL discriminate all the time. Even you.

[Flyrod]

Well Sky, you just keep on hitting the nail, so all I say is keep on hitting!!!!! Bingos!!!!!


I'm a carpenter, flyrod. Hitting the nail ain't no trick. I've been building bridges for thirty-some years now, and I've built quite a few. But every time I try to build one to reach people like IM, I get two feet off the shore, and they swim over and torch it, then swim back to 'their side' and mouth off about how I'm not working hard enough. Fuck it. I ain't putting down another board until I see his ass pick up a hammer on the other side of the damn stream.
Yeah, I know what you mean! IM ignores and distorts facts and keeps spouting this same ole PC bullshit!! I'm real busy now, but I'll try to explain some things to him in the future. He is playing games and it's like trying to hit a moving target or no target when he ignores you! Maybe the best to hope for is to be as nuts as he is and get the idiot more pissed off!!! ;D

OAG

This is the problem, white apathy.

I disagree. I think a larger problem is black apathy. The only thing preventing blacks from making something out of themselves is blacks.

People like you feel that since you may not be q racist, that racism does not exist. You need to start listening to people who say it does, because it does.

What a tupid thing to say. I never once said that racism doesn't exist. What I said was that there is more of it in black culture than in white culture...at least in my corner of the world.

Then you state that you see blacks who find reasons to hate white people. You don't see white racism because you are apathetic to it. Yet you are out looking for any instance of black anger then will turn it around and call it racism.

Don't hand me that "black anger" crap. Everyone in the world can find stuff to be angry about. Racism is racism and trying to justify it with some sort of generalized anger is a huge crock and I don't buy it.

There are some blacks who are very angry at the system and at what seem to be an attempt to move back to the days when blacks were considered second class citizens, even sub human.

What system? Do you mean the one that offers grants and scholarships to blacks ten times more readily than white suburban kids? The system, as you refer to it, has tried to fix things and make things fair and it has failed miserably. Affirmitive action is the worst thing ever done to black culture. Anything that creates a sense of entitlement is detrimental. Anything that instills a desire for hard work and accomplishment has been pushed out of black culture. Striving for achievement in this country is seen as "acting white" and is discouraged. If blacks should be angry about anything or at anyone it should be their own culture, dey homies who run dem down fo' actin' all white an' shit.

I mean, given the history of this nations treatment of blacks can you understand why there might be a few blacks out there who are just a little mad?

History shmistory. Get over it all ready. It is 2002. Whatever was done to your grandparents is over with and if THEY are angry about it they probably have a right to be. What about now? What good does sitting around angry do anyone? If you don't like something fix it. Bitching about it and being angry about it just makes you look stupid.

It is an unjustified hatred of people, and a belief in the superiority of your race. Less than 100,000 blacks believe that they are superior to anyone, and these people belong to the Nation Of Islam. That is less than 1/2 of one percent of the black population pal. OOPS, you aren't my pal, so I guess I should say buddy.

Look, I'm not your pal or your buddy. I imagine I could be because I have nothing against you. I know exactly what racism is and any of my old newsmax cohorts can tell you that I'm the first and the rudest person to attack racists when they show up posting their garbage on these forums.

I don't know where you get your stats from but I'm not inclined to agree with them or your assertion that racism stems from a feeling of superiority. I think it is probably the opposite. A person might have an inherent view that their race makes them superior to another human but when they see the reality that the other human is actually smarter, more successful, more desired by women, etc. they resent or hate that person and everyone else who looks like them.

Just how many whites believe that they are superior to blacks?

Who cares? People believe any number of stupid things. I've encountered a few antisemites on newsmax. They believe that they are superior to jews for some odd reason. Getting pissed off because someone believes they are superior to you is a waste of time. Let them believe it and then prove them wrong.

You see OAG you don't have to look for racism when you are black, it finds you. No it does not happen every day, well unless you watch the Fox network or listen to talk radio. And then you have the choice not to listen or watch the offending shows. You are working very hard looking for black "racists" so that you can continue denying that race is still a MAJOR problem in America.

I don't have to look hard for black racism as long as JJ is on the TV. I don't look for it. I don't care. I have no need to deny anything. Race is not a problem in America unless you MAKE it a problem. Decent people come in every race and so do losers, racists and scumbags. I don't care. I don't care to see race or culture in people. I CHOOSE to see what people are like in spite of that stuff and if they are good people I accept them.

If things were equal, and everyone had a fair shot at the belt, then I would agree wioth you OAG.

What belt? There are black people in every career, every field and every branch of government up to but not yet including the vice presidency. One of the hardest lessons to learn in life is that life IS NOT FAIR. No one ever promised you it would be and no one can possibly alter the fact that it is not. It is not fair that some people are born ugly. They don't get treated as well as the good looking people and statistically they don't make as much money. I don't see JJ going to bat for more fair treatment of ugly people.

But it's not, and this advantage you white people were given was created by a system which made sure that people like you got every preference in the book.

So go back in time and alter reality so that blacks sailed to America and established colonies and then went to Europe and took slaves to work the fields. What you are telling me is that America was established by white people. That isn't news to me. What I'm telling you is to stop bitching about the past. Wah wah wah blacks were second class citizens 100 years ago. So were women. So what? Shame on that generation. Today a black person has every opportunity at an education, the same chance to get a business loan, and the same opportunities to work hard and increase their income as any other race in America. Do you think that Asian immigrants don't encounter hostility and racism, or Middle Eastern immigrants? Why don't we hear them bitching about it? It is because they are too busy making a life for themselves, doing their jobs and raising their families. I have seen large numbers of able bodied blacks (and whites for that matter) doing none of the above. Screw 'em.

This is why I wonder why white boys like you are crying about the goverment.

I'm not crying. I have nothing to cry about. I am overtaxed and it makes it difficult for me to provide for my own family and save up to put two kids through college. Other than that I couldn't care less about the government. It is corrupt and out of control and sooner or later I'm going to have to defend my family against it but at the moment I'm a happy middle-class citizen with everything a guy could want.

After all this goverment was created by you, and soley for your benefit.

You have mistaken me for Thomas Jefferson. Don't worry I get that alot.

So when I here a white boy crying about the goverment, I should be like you and say that I don't give a damn about white boys crying. I mean it's not racist for me not to care. I have my own life to live and my own way to make it in this world and if it is becoming harder for a white man to make it in this world, well boo fucking who. Hard work builds character. I mean after all OAG, the white man has really never done much hard work, if you study history it will bear this out.

I'll grant you that if it weren't for the hard work of the black slaves at the founding of this country America wouldn't exist. As for white people never doing much hard work I could simply point to the cities of Europe or refer you to any number of examples of the white man's feats of engineering and inginuity. While Europeans were building cities most of the world and virtually all of the Africans were still living in huts.

You have a tendency to make broad sweeps with your sword of "black anger". One of these times you'll tell me that MY people made slaves of YOUR people. Well I'm not Portugese, I'm Lithuanian. I defy you to find me one historical reference to Lithuanian slave traders. How many white men fought and died in a war to end slavery? If this were that time in history I would be willing to fight that fight. White men may have enslaved black people but so did other black people. White men may have explioted slaves but other white men died to free them. If you want to talk about history let's do so without some revisionist agenda.

[nickg]

hey IM -- instead of listening to rev. jesse jackson why don't you lend an ear to Rev. Jesse Peterson. he is one black conservative leader who doesn't worship at the altar of jackson and his ilk. he too is tired of all the blame that blacks hurl towards whitey. he too is tired of the reparations game. he too is tired of the "where's my welfare check" scams.

he is one gentlemen who actually has the balls to say that blacks live in their own squallor and ignorance because they are too lazy to do anything to change it and quit blaming others.

so you see, not all blacks are whitey finger pointers and actually DO accept responsibility for their own actions.

so maybe if you would change your admiration of the Jesses you follow you might actually find one with brains.

[IM]

Rev. Jesse Peterson?

This man is a joke. I debated this guy on a radio talk show in 1995. He makes no sense. All he does is say what you people want to hear. There are better conservatives who I have read and agree with than this man.

Robert Woodson is one. I don't agree with all of what he says, but I do agree that there should be a better strategy of economic development in the hoods around America.

greginboise,

Toyota? A scam?

Another case of corporate executives caught discriminating against people of color.

NO SCAM!

Flyrod,

I will be waiting for your explanation. I don't think that actual historical instances can be distorted, nor can supreme court decisions and documented acts of individual aggression. Nor can real modern cases of discrimination.

Also there is no distorting the fact that Rev. Jackson did put his neck out there for me. He was not the only one, and he was not the main one either, but he did so. Again the more you people diss jackson, the more he will be embraced by blacks. This is how things work.

Sky,


Just what kind of bridge are you trying to build?

OAG,

I disagree. I think a larger problem is black apathy. The only thing preventing blacks from making something out of themselves is blacks.



I would say that is part of the problem, but I would also dare say that it is not the main part of the problem.

Redlining is real, and if it were not, then why would the federal government create the Community Reinvestment Act?

Do you know what the Community Re Investment Act is OAG?

What a tupid thing to say. I never once said that racism doesn't exist. What I said was that there is more of it in black culture than in white culture...at least in my corner of the world.


YAWN! Where do you live? And what is racism based upon OAG? If a group of people have a 200 year track record of instituting law and policy designed to abuse another group of people, is it right for the group of people who have been abused to trust those who have abused them?

And it has not only been government policy and law OAG, but individual acts, which if committed by a middle easterner today would be called terrorism by that same group of people. Then now, you have blacks who dislike white people because they have been wronged, their parents have been wronged, their grandparents have been wronged, etc, etc.

This hate was created by the hate whites had for blacks from the start. This is what is called bad karma, what goes around comes around OAG, and this is the bitter pill whites must swallow when we start talkiing about this issue.

I am not saying it's right, HELL NO! Racism is wrong period. But to say that there are more black racists than are whites is simply incorrect, and also stated with a simplistic notion of what has gone on in this nation for more than 200 years.

Don't hand me that "black anger" crap. Everyone in the world can find stuff to be angry about. Racism is racism and trying to justify it with some sort of generalized anger is a huge crock and I don't buy it.


Not justifying anything OAG, just stating fact and history the way it happened. There are some angry black people out there. And they have right to be. They do not have the right to blame every white person, but white people have a responsibility as a entire race to make sure that the cause of this anger is eradicated.

What system? Do you mean the one that offers grants and scholarships to blacks ten times more readily than white suburban kids? The system, as you refer to it, has tried to fix things and make things fair and it has failed miserably.

If it has failed, it has failed because of lack of enforcement, and refusal of those in power to recognize the law. And I would like to see this system that gives black kids scholarships and grants ten times more than white suburban kids. You see OAG, a lot(NOT ALL) of white suburban kids do not have to worry about scholarships or grants, their parents pay for their schooling. A lot of white suburban kids do not have to work their way through college, their parents pay their way and provide them with spending money. A lot of white suburbab kids do not have to worry about paying rent, because their parents have paid that too.

There is somthing wrong with a system where the majority of a race of people cannot afford to send their children to college, forcing them to become wards of the government through grants and have to become indebted to that same government because they had to get loans for an education.

Affirmitive action is the worst thing ever done to black culture. Anything that creates a sense of entitlement is detrimental.

A sense of entitlement. The sense of entitlement was given to white men from day one of this nation. The reason the issue of AA is so hot now is because white men feel that they are losing their entitlement. Don't give me that crap about sense of entitlement pal, it a bogus argument, and should not be uttered by anyone who is a white male.

Anything that instills a desire for hard work and accomplishment has been pushed out of black culture. Striving for achievement in this country is seen as "acting white" and is discouraged. If blacks should be angry about anything or at anyone it should be their own culture, dey homies who run dem down fo' actin' all white an' shit.

Let's see, I went to college and was never told I was acting white. I have dated mostly white women, and have never been told I was acting white. I have a lot of white friends, and hang out with them quite a bit more than I do with my black friends, yet I have never been told I am acting white.

Striving for achievement has been the legacy of black people in this nation fool! How do you go from a group of people who were not allowed to read, write add or subtract, to a group of people who have for the most part mastered the English language and in less than 40 years have moved from very poor to the 9th largest economy in the world?

No greater lie can be spread than the one you believe about AA. This is why I keep on saying that it has been white men who have received the majority of race based preferences and who feel entitled to rule of this nation.

History shmistory. Get over it all ready. It is 2002. Whatever was done to your grandparents is over with and if THEY are angry about it they probably have a right to be. What about now? What good does sitting around angry do anyone? If you don't like something fix it. Bitching about it and being angry about it just makes you look stupid.


What is stupid is ignoring history. If you ignore it, the same thing is liable to happen again. And it's more than slavery OAG. Jim Crow is still around. Anger can be constructive also. It was anger that created Martin Luther King. It was anger that create Marcus Garvey and Liberia. It was anger that created slave revolts, Harriett Tubman and the underground railroad.

Sitting around angry is counterproductive. Creating an action plan to solve the issue you are angry about is positive. I do that, while people like you sit on your ass telling me that I should not be sitting around angry and that I can't do anything about what happened to my grandparents.

I will do something about what is happening now. In fact I have already been a part of that change.

Look, I'm not your pal or your buddy. I imagine I could be because I have nothing against you. I know exactly what racism is and any of my old newsmax cohorts can tell you that I'm the first and the rudest person to attack racists when they show up posting their garbage on these forums.

We probably could be pretty cool as long as we don't discuss politics. I just threw the pal in to fuck with you.

I don't know where you get your stats from but I'm not inclined to agree with them or your assertion that racism stems from a feeling of superiority. I think it is probably the opposite. A person might have an inherent view that their race makes them superior to another human but when they see the reality that the other human is actually smarter, more successful, more desired by women, etc. they resent or hate that person and everyone else who looks like them.


I get my stats from the reporting agencies such as the FBI, Dept. of Justice, HUD, H&HD. Each week we get information from the Public Policy Institute relative to poverty and all it's associated issues, because we work with low income people.

I work for Habitat for Humanity, and I have seen a lot of people get up, build there own homes to live in. Most of them have been black. So to say that blacks don't want to work and want handouts is incorrect. That's what a lot of people in forums like this say. Conservatives.

You don't have to believe my stats, but the stats are fact. I am not a musician, you are. I will not argue with you over your area of expertise in the music industry. I just happen to work in Human services, and have done so since I was 21 years old, and that will be 21 years in February. I deal with the people you guys are talking about. So when I do make statements on the issues that affect these people, I do so with confidence that I know what I am saying.

Racism simply defined is a feeling of surperiority because you are of a particular race. This is what I meant when i said that. Personally I tend to agree with you somewhat in the fact that racism really comes from a feeling of inferiority, insecurity, or fear.

Who cares? People believe any number of stupid things. I've encountered a few antisemites on newsmax. They believe that they are superior to jews for some odd reason. Getting pissed off because someone believes they are superior to you is a waste of time. Let them believe it and then prove them wrong.


OAG, if it were a matter of simply belief, then we would not be having this discussion. No man is superior to me, and I am superior to no other man either. That's the way it is. We all have our talents.

It's more than a matter of being pissed off because someone says they are better than I am. It's about creating policies which deny me the ability to show my talents and limit my ability to be equal.

This goes on today, and on another job we had to get an entire City Funding process changed because it did not represent the population of the city we were in, plus it consistently denied organizations who were founded, organized and administrated by blacks and other colored minirities funds each and every year.

The place I lived in at that time is NOT the only city in America that has such practices in place. I believe that in 1994, Tulsa Oklahoma had to call in the NAACP to change policies of their City Administration for doing the same thiing.

This is why I say that local government is NOT the best and most effective way to go.

So it's much more than sitting around being mad because someone white thinks they are better than me OAG. If every white person in the world thought they were better than me I wouldn't give a good goobly damn. I know how I feel about myself, and that's all that counts.

I don't have to look hard for black racism as long as JJ is on the TV. I don't look for it. I don't care. I have no need to deny anything. Race is not a problem in America unless you MAKE it a problem. Decent people come in every race and so do losers, racists and scumbags. I don't care. I don't care to see race or culture in people. I CHOOSE to see what people are like in spite of that stuff and if they are good people I accept them.

Calling Jesse Jackson a racist is like calling Britney Spears a man. You have denied that race is a problem when you say that race is not a problem unless you MAKE it one. Certainly good people come in all complexions, and so do riff - raff. However when riff raff has the ability to create law and policy that affects lives, then we have a problem. Trent Lott is such an example, and there are others like him.

Because YOU choose to see what people are like doesn't mean that there are others who refuse to do the same, or who refuse to allow people who don't look like them the same opportunities to succeed.

More Oag,

What belt? There are black people in every career, every field and every branch of government up to but not yet including the vice presidency. One of the hardest lessons to learn in life is that life IS NOT FAIR. No one ever promised you it would be and no one can possibly alter the fact that it is not. It is not fair that some people are born ugly. They don't get treated as well as the good looking people and statistically they don't make as much money. I don't see JJ going to bat for more fair treatment of ugly people.


Let's see OAG, you have shown yourself without even trying. Blacks are in every office in the government except the VP. Why didn't ypou just say that blacks are in every office of the government except the presidency?

Blacks have made great strides, yet there are those who have opposed every stride taken, and would like to see the laws that made these strides possible end. If these laws end, you will see a mass firing of blacks at all levels.

The glass ceiling is real OAG, and cases such as Texaco, Toyota and others which have been called acts of extortion by Rev. Jackson should show anyone who has a logical cell in their heads that there are those who will not allow everyone the same shot at the "belt."

Again, I don't need you to tell me how that life is not always fair. I know that far better than you ever want to know. But the reality of the black experience is that when you get knocked down, get your ass back up and fight. There are those who have been knocked down and want to stay on the ground, but that's such a small number of blacks that conservatives should actually be ashamed of even mentioning that blacks do this. People like nickg should be ashamed for mentioning people like Jesse Peterson who will use the small number technique demagogue style. Your last analogy used for Rev. jackson was really stupid.

A rainbow coalition that has fought for famers, steelworkers, for economic development in Appalachia, for workers rights at places like Enron should not be called racist. It seems like you conservtives miss this part of what rev. jackson has done, but you gladly focus on when he stands up for black people so that you can call him a racist, and perpetuate the lie the conservative leaders want to continue inflicting upon this nation.

So go back in time and alter reality so that blacks sailed to America and established colonies and then went to Europe and took slaves to work the fields. What you are telling me is that America was established by white people. That isn't news to me. What I'm telling you is to stop bitching about the past. Wah wah wah blacks were second class citizens 100 years ago. So were women. So what? Shame on that generation. Today a black person has every opportunity at an education, the same chance to get a business loan, and the same opportunities to work hard and increase their income as any other race in America. Do you think that Asian immigrants don't encounter hostility and racism, or Middle Eastern immigrants? Why don't we hear them bitching about it? It is because they are too busy making a life for themselves, doing their jobs and raising their families. I have seen large numbers of able bodied blacks (and whites for that matter) doing none of the above. Screw 'em.


When will you understand that I am not bitching about the past? When will you understand that I am talking about policies and laws which today are either lackadaisically enforced, or not enforced at all, or policies and procedures which allow people of color to be cut off from funds that would help their communities?

With an income base of approximetly 500 billion dollars, I must again remind you that the black population has the 9th highest GNP in the world. This holds true even with approximately 33 percent of all blacks living in poverty. So instead of investing in foreign countries with aid packets, which are handouts, we should be investing in our troubled areas in THIS nation.

Japanese got Reparations for WWII to the tune of something like $25,000 per person. Suddenly Japanese starting buying property in the hood and starting businesses. Of course you are against reparations for blacks, yet if this did happen, the same thing would happen with blacks, and the economy would be stimulated.

Very few Middle Easrtern people I have met in this nation are poor. Since they have money and I mean M-O-N-E-Y, they have the necessary capital to start businesses. A banker will fund a relative of the prince of Saudi quick, but he won't give a loan to Prince Washington on Northeast 5th. And that is even if he has the capital, or collateral to protect the loan.

I have seen more than one black business owner goto the bank and put up their business as collateral and get denied, or asked for more collateral.

I'm not crying. I have nothing to cry about. I am overtaxed and it makes it difficult for me to provide for my own family and save up to put two kids through college. Other than that I couldn't care less about the government. It is corrupt and out of control and sooner or later I'm going to have to defend my family against it but at the moment I'm a happy middle-class citizen with everything a guy could want.


We are all overtaxed. And if you voted for GWB, you voted for government intrusion. When we take the money out of campaigns the government will be less corrupt because they will not have to bend over backwards to do whatever the largest campaign contributor wants.

I'll grant you that if it weren't for the hard work of the black slaves at the founding of this country America wouldn't exist. As for white people never doing much hard work I could simply point to the cities of Europe or refer you to any number of examples of the white man's feats of engineering and inginuity. While Europeans were building cities most of the world and virtually all of the Africans were still living in huts.

It certainly should not be revisionist to point out that Africa had Medicine, Art, to include architecture, mathematics, and other sciences well before the european did. The Great Pyramid is located in what country?

Not in England or France or even Lituania. Egypt. Egypt is on the continent of Africa.

The only comparable society was the one in South America and what is now Mexico.

And as history shows us, the Moors came into Europe and brought the Europeans new ideas in many ways. I think that this was what lead Europe out of the dark ages and into Renaissance as well as the Moors were part of the Renaissance.

You have a tendency to make broad sweeps with your sword of "black anger". One of these times you'll tell me that MY people made slaves of YOUR people. Well I'm not Portugese, I'm Lithuanian. I defy you to find me one historical reference to Lithuanian slave traders. How many white men fought and died in a war to end slavery? If this were that time in history I would be willing to fight that fight. White men may have enslaved black people but so did other black people. White men may have explioted slaves but other white men died to free them. If you want to talk about history let's do so without some revisionist agenda.


I am not so preoccupied with slavery as you conservatives seem to be. I am not talking about slavery as I am talking about a consistent pattern of policy creation which has done the same thing over and over again. That is deny access to people looking like me from every resource they need to make their neighborhoods safe and financially viable.

You want to talk about you being Lithuanian and how no Lithuanian ever owned a slave, then double back and tell me about how many white men died in the fight against slavery. You try comparing that to the number of blacks who died fighting slavery, and that includes every single black slave who fought while enslaved. I mean there were many non violent and passive aggressive actions taken by black slaves which lead to their beatings and death by those same beatings.


If you would have been williing to fight the fight then, perhaps you had better start studying the law as it pertains to AA before you start talking about qoutas and reverse discrimination. Quotas are illegal, and reverse discrimination means that blacks are discriminating against whites by not hiring them on jobs, or allowing them into black schools or black government leaders are not giving whites their share of construction contracts simply because they are white.

You want to tell me that blacks owned other blacks, yet at a time in slavery 97 percent of all blacks living in this nation were enslaved. In the book,"Black Slaveowners" it was documented that blacks did buy their family members because they wanted to keep the family together. A husband would buy his wife and children, wives would buy their husbands and children, a grown kid would buy his aging parents, etc., etc. So I think that when you guys mention this in your attempt to deny everything, maybe you had better study the facts.

I don't think you can revise history OAG. I know exactly what white men have done, and what they have not done. I know that the first victory in the Civill War was bythe FIrst Kansas Volunteers, a group of Black Soldiers fighting for freedom. I do also know that while white men died, not so much for slavery, but to keep the Union together. Oh yeah there were some who died because they felt slavery was unfair too.

Yet despite the many white men you want to say died to free the slaves, after the Civill War, a system was put in place that has lasted far longer than slavery. White men created this system and the system is called Jim Crow. We no longer live in De Facto Jim Crow today, it's more of a De Jure type of Jim Crow. We can talk about history, but we won't lie about it, nor will we only talk about half of history which makes white men feel good about their accomplishments.

Because these accomplishments were not done by white men alone. Neither was blacks gaining their Civil Rights done by blacks alone. But of course to mention that aspect of American hisotry and give credit to white people is not revisionist, but to state that this nation has been and still is the number one rogue nation and has a history of terror which spans more than 200 years is revisionist.

History cannot be revised OAG. What can happen is that we can discover more and more about what went on.


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[Flyrod]

"Flyrod,

I will be waiting for your explanation. I don't think that actual historical instances can be distorted, nor can supreme court decisions and documented acts of individual aggression. Nor can real modern cases of discrimination.

Also there is no distorting the fact that Rev. Jackson did put his neck out there for me. He was not the only one, and he was not the main one either, but he did so. Again the more you people diss jackson, the more he will be embraced by blacks. This is how things work."

=IM, there has always been slavery in different parts of the world. Why don't you tell us what the perpetrators in other countries in the past have done other than abolish slavery??? That damn Jesse Jackson has been blackmailing corporations for cash donations in these PC times for years, among other things!! Now if you can't see this as fact, you are oblivious to the damn obvious, just for starters!!!!!
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[Satan]

Sky,
Just what kind of bridge are you trying to build?

The kind where reasonable white people meet reasonable black people in the middle. I'm sure the thought has never crossed your feeble and quite unreasonable mind. You can drown for all I care.

You are absolutely one of the most self-contradictory people I have ever met. You carry on about the '9th largest economy', then immediately follow it with poor-mouthing about how black people can't afford this or that, and should be given reparations for slavery (which you aren't preoccupied with.)

What the fuck do you want, IM?

The problem I have with 'you people' is this:
When I call the bank and ask them the balance on my mortgage, they tell me. To the penny. When I ask 'you people' what it is that you think I owe you, you say, just keep throwing cash, we'll tell you when we feel better, and then you can stop. Fuck that.

So you went to school with white folks. Your friends are white folks (hard to believe that). Most of the women you date are white. Face it, IM. Your main problem is that you're pissed off because YOU JUST WANT TO BE WHITE. It eats you like a cancer.

The only 'bitter pill' to be swallowed is yours: Get the hell over it, bitch. We don't owe 'you people' shit, and your incessant pissing and moaning makes you look like just another pathetic nigger looking for a free ride.

(Don't like that word? Tough shit. Consider it your 'karma' biting you on the ass.)

[nickg]

"The only 'bitter pill' to be swallowed is yours: Get the hell over it, bitch. We don't owe 'you people' shit, and your incessant pissing and moaning makes you look like just another pathetic nigger looking for a free ride.

(Don't like that word? Tough shit. Consider it your 'karma' biting you on the ass.) "
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now THAT'S funny Sky. ;D ;D

the more the negroes keeping holding out their hands and some libs are ready to give it to them, the more they will keep holding out those same hands.

[Satan]

Nick, of course I'm aware, as are you, that there are plenty of white people who will do the same. As far as I'm concerned, they're 'niggers' too. (I'm sure to get a 'history lesson' for saying it, though. ::))

IM, don't misunderstand me: You work for Habitat? Good for you. It's admirable that you make an effort to help those in need. I build stuff too. Hell, if we showed up on a jobsite together, we wouldn't even know each other, and might accidentally be constructive together. (Oh wait, I'm white. I'd never do any charity work, right? ::))

But your frequent use of terms like 'you people' insinuates your belief that no white person is willing to treat black people 'fairly' (by whatever terms you define as fair).

You can surely see why I have a hard time understanding how you might have any white friends.

You help out black people in need? Good for you. Ever been to the hills of Tennessee and West Virginia? There are colored people in poverty there (you know, white-colored). Would you have a problem building a Habitat house for some of them?

(Now, do you want to get into how your problem is really with 'rich' white people?)

This is a simple fact: People don't help their enemies. If you want any cooperation from white people at all, you're gonna have to get over the history that can't be changed, and STOP treating 'us people' like the enemy. For God's sake, man, you're 40-something years old. Stop perpetuating the racial Cold War.

"Go often to the house of your friend, for weeds choke up the unused path."

[Meshuga Mikey]

BLUSTERING RACIST HOMEY ALERT~!!!--BLUSTERING RACIST HOMEY ALERT~!!!---

economic Development being a FUNCTION rather than simply an IDEA ---- no matter the JIBBER JABBER it is cloaked in ----does not give a RATS ASSS WHERE IT OCCURS~or what KOLOR the beneficiaries,... or the LOSERS,... are!
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KEEP PLAYIN an KEEP PAYIN FOO~!!!!

[IM]

Sky,

You went a little too far there.

I mean if I were facing you straight up I would kick your fuciking ass. But since I'm on the internet I can't do anything but read this bullshit.

I am not whiing about anything. The only people whining today are fucked up white boys like you.

You guys are crying about payng too much money to the government. You boys are crying about how unfair AA is bacuuse you think it's reverse discrimination. You boys are crying because you think everyone is standing up wanting a handout and taking your hard earned money.

Well what I am saying is that all of what you white boys are saying is a lie.

You seem to forget that blacks pay taxes too, and blacks get far less return on their tax payments than you do.

You want to sit on your asses crying about how blacks are on welfare, well take a look in the miror bitch, the face of welfare is white. You have white boys running around talking about how blacks are just fucking and the black man is running away from his family responsibility. Well tak a look in the mirror bitch, the face of the unwed mother is a white female aged 26.

You white boys are crying about how violent blacks are and how we are criminals and thugs. Well take a look in the mirror bitch, the face of crimnality in America is the white male. He represents almost 70 percent of ALL crime in America.

Yes, I said that blacks are the 9th largest GNP in the world. But the number one would probably be white America. Yet you are too stupid to see that if not for the contributions of blacks, white america would have little. So if we take away our 500 billion and invest it selfishly, then this nation will suffer as a whole.

Also, I have said that it has been policies created that are the problem, and the policies have been created with the goal of maintainng white male racial preference.

White boys like you are crying about racial prefences and whining about them being unfair, well take a look in the mirror bitch, because you will see the major recipient of race based preference in this country today. THE WHITE BOY!

As for me wanting to be white. HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!HA! HA! HA!

I can't help it if the white ladies love me. It's not my fault you white boys can't do what's needed.

You want to get down in the dirt and call someone a nigger, or a bitch. Well we all can do that sky.

I am not perpetrating anything. This is the problem.

Why is it that when we talk about race, blacks have to be the ones who are perpetrating something? Not one time have I heard any of you denounce what Trent Lott said. I have seen in this forum a lot of finger pointing, and even topics like how Clinton pandered to segregationists, or how Robert Byrd was in the KKK, or the mandatory reference to Rev. Jackson and his race pimping.

Not one time have I seen anyting from you conservatives which denotes the FACT that Lott was using the race card in a way which has been used and continues to be used to get white men mad enough and in past years angry enough to encite violence against minorities.

But let me say something and boy oh boy, I'm a racist, and I am creating division and I am making enemies when all you guys want to do is come together. I mean all of this amounts to a crock sky.

When you and others in forums like these can see how the race card is being played by white leaders, then we can constructively dialog about ways we can do something to solve the issue of race. All of ths so-called modern civil rights movement is nothing more than a bunch of white legislators using the race card to continue maintanence of white male preference.

Qoutas are illegal. This is fact, yet all of the conservative leaders scream about how unfair racial qoutas are. It is a distortion used to divide, and that is playing the race card.

When I use the term you people sky, I mean conservtive right wingers. If you are a conservative and not right wing, then what I say does not apply to you. If it does not apply to you, you should not feel offended.

I don't just help out black people in need sky. That's a narrow view. I said that the majority of the families we have built homes for are black. It's not because we only help blacks, because our Board of Directors consists of 16 whites and one black.

Also since you are new here sky, you do not know my history of posting. I have said from day one that the major problem in America has been caused by the white male elite. It was that white male elite who came together in the Constitutional Convention to create laws initiially granting certain rights only to those white men who had property.

I have also recognized the existence of indentured servitude and how that same white male elite has used the poorer white male as a puppet and a pawn to maintain power in this society.

This is exactly what is being done today by the right wing. And as long as people stand up and quote their ideology, as long as people put representatives in power with that same ideology, this nation stands in a sinkhole.

I think it would be wise to instead of knocking black people, who are just saying basically that this government has been rotten since day one, that you should join in and be part of a combined change of national policy and attitude. We are saying the same thing sky, the problem is that conservatives want more state power, blacks are saying that we need to remove the attitude, because it doesn't matter if states have more power or not, as long as the attitude continues to prevail by white right wing conservatives, the problems will remain the same, they will just shift from the federal government to state governments.

Finally sky, don't ever call me nigger again. I hope this is understood.

[Satan]

I read the first couple of sentences of that shit, and the last one, and skimmed through all the bullshit in the middle where you once again pull 'statistics' out of your ass.

Let's get a couple of things straight, motherfucker:

Number one, don't you EVER tell me what to say or what NOT to say. I'll say whatever the fuck I please.

Number two, if you heard me call you a nigger, it's your conscience talking to you. Go back and reread.

And number three, don't EVER threaten me, bitch. I'll have your ass for it. If Lance will let this one slide, so will I, but if you EVER do it again, he'll be the least of your fucking worries. That ain't a threat, that's a promise of retaliatory action.

I'm through playing with your ass. Can you feel me? I sure as hell hope so.

IM is a negroid? <stashing away reparation money>

Yo, bro!! <secret handshake>

'Sup?

[wendy]

Im, those of us who are under 40 are sick and fucking tired of hearing about the oppressive white man. Most of us didn't live under segregation and we went to school with whites and blacks.

We're tired if hearing about the past and how it's our fault that a black kid who cannot speak the english language can't get a job. We've got our own trash and we're not blaming anyone else for them.

I can tell you one thing...we are not paying "reparations" to anyone. We were brought up with the knowledge that you EARN your way through life and it ain't a free ride. My generation understands that the day of "white man patronage" and a job for life are OVER.

Stop living in the past.

[The Guardian]

:o Lets try and keep this thread on topic without it going too far over the line. I am going to leave this here for now, but will move it to the Inferno if this keeps up.

[Meshuga Mikey]

Im, those of us who are under 40 are sick and fucking tired of hearing about the oppressive white man. Most of us didn't live under segregation and we went to school with whites and blacks.

We're tired if hearing about the past and how it's our fault that a black kid who cannot speak the english language can't get a job. We've got our own trash and we're not blaming anyone else for them.

I can tell you one thing...we are not paying "reparations" to anyone. We were brought up with the knowledge that you EARN your way through life and it ain't a free ride. My generation understands that the day of "white man patronage" and a job for life are OVER.

Stop living in the past.


TELL IT MY WITE SISTUH.

Let MeHumbly suggest a REAL Alternative, that might very well satisfy the NEED these Young BRUTHUHS have to be BLACK..Know wut I'm SAYIN HEAH?

As it appears there are no REAL NEGROES on the horizon within the present HIERCHY of the Democrap Parties Inner Circles--- what is needed here is to present these whiney bepimpled young complainers a CLEAR ALTERNATIVE to wimpy wite men and House Negroes, and give them what they want~!! COOL HUH?

To that End I have set aside a fair amount of time and energy to promote the proposed candidacy of THEE ONE AND ONLY NEGROE Candidate that can BE what these young Pukes want THEIR PresidentiaL Candidate to BE~!!

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:o Lets try and keep this thread on topic without it going too far over the line. I am going to leave this here for now, but will move it to the Inferno if this keeps up.


I'm surprised we haven't heard "Kill The White Mother Fuckers" yet in this thread. ::)

<listening to some gentle rap to mellow me out>

[lgllady]

There may come a day when IM faces the truth about American Blacks. Unfortunately, this is not the day. Some blacks are facing themselves and don't like what they see. Like the fact that 70% of black babies are born to single women. Or a crime rate that has 13% of the entire population committing about 60% of all violent crime. Even the precious JJ has said that if he were walking down an alley, he' be afraid if a black male teen approached him.


Affirmative Action now does two things. One, it helps the sons and daughters of black doctors and lawyers, black bankers, and black men and women who are already successful and really don't need the help.

The second thing it does is harm black children who are getting what they don't deserve and can't handle. It gets them into college and universities when they really need remedial reading and basic arithmetic.

Oh, it does one other thing. It turns someone who truly deserves their success into a question mark. Did they really succeed, or are they AA babies?

The black ideology of victimhood has put more black men behind bars than are out on the streets.

[Satan]

Well, now that we 'understand' each other, IM, allow me to continue exposing you for the simple-minded parrot that you are...


Sky,

You went a little too far there.

You go too far in everything you post, I haven't begun to even the score.

Well what I am saying is that all of what you white boys are saying is a lie.

Easier to say than to prove. I'm about to teach you a lesson about that. Remember, the burden of proof falls upon he who makes the claim. Time to drop the rhetoric and hyperbole at which you seem to think you excel, and prove the insidious (and often downright ridiculous) claims you make. If you cannot do so, then you will stand exposed for the street-corner-preaching, race-baiting phony that you are.

You seem to forget that blacks pay taxes too, and blacks get far less return on their tax payments than you do.

Provide evidence to substantiate this claim. And I mean real data, not more of your 'oppression editorials'.

You want to sit on your asses crying about how blacks are on welfare, well take a look in the miror bitch, the face of welfare is white.

Again, hard data, please.

Well tak a look in the mirror bitch, the face of the unwed mother is a white female aged 26.

Provide substantiating evidence.

You white boys are crying about how violent blacks are and how we are criminals and thugs. Well take a look in the mirror bitch, the face of crimnality in America is the white male. He represents almost 70 percent of ALL crime in America.

ROFLMMFAO. 'ALL crime', huh? Jesus, this is the oldest trick in the book. OK, I'll bite...trot the numbers out, AND the corresponding charges. Let's talk about who does what crime. I'll hazard a guess in advance: you'll show me how, for every 3 oppressed black men who commit a murder, 7 rich white guys don't pay their income taxes. ::)

Yes, I said that blacks are the 9th largest GNP in the world. But the number one would probably be white America. Yet you are too stupid to see that if not for the contributions of blacks, white america would have little. So if we take away our 500 billion and invest it selfishly, then this nation will suffer as a whole.

Knock yourselves out. You've been trying to 'invest it selfishly' for years, with exclusive patronage of black-owned businesses, sending your children to 'all-black' universities, etc.. Where is all the resultant 'suffering'?

Also, I have said that it has been policies created that are the problem, and the policies have been created with the goal of maintainng white male racial preference.

Which policies, in particular? (Please spare me from more scattergun pontificating about 'The System'.)

White boys like you are crying about racial prefences and whining about them being unfair, well take a look in the mirror bitch, because you will see the major recipient of race based preference in this country today. THE WHITE BOY!

Let's see if I understand this...Suppose X Company is hiring a new employee. Two candidates apply: one white, the other black. All things other than pigmentation: education, grooming, presentation...all the things an employer looks for...being equal. (Yes, believe it or not, it is possible, regardless of your tireless efforts to prove that black people can't be successful). But wait...the Human Resources Director is a black man. Who will he hire? By your logic, the white guy is, by some unwritten rule, the automatic choice.

Now tell me that the Director will certainly hire the white guy because he is a) a 'sellout', or b) forced to hire the white guy by his white boss, or c) none of the above -- black men can't be Directors of Human Resources. (You're so predictable, I can smell it coming.)

I am not perpetrating anything. This is the problem.

I said perpetuating, not 'perpetrating', you simpleton. You really need to get outta the 'hood more often (figuratively speaking), and stop regurgitating Jesse's rhetoric. ::)

When I use the term you people sky, I mean conservtive right wingers.

When my 80 year-old Grandfather says that some 'good Christian folks' moved in next door, I know damned well he means 'white people'. I know what you mean, too. Don't pull that disingenuous bullshit with me. I wasn't born yesterday.

Time to put up or shut the hell up, IM. I await the mountains of data that no doubt support your falsifications.

[Satan]

TELL IT MY WITE SISTUH.

Let MeHumbly suggest a REAL Alternative, that might very well satisfy the NEED these Young BRUTHUHS have to be BLACK..Know wut I'm SAYIN HEAH?

As it appears there are no REAL NEGROES on the horizon within the present HIERCHY of the Democrap Parties Inner Circles--- what is needed here is to present these whiney bepimpled young complainers a CLEAR ALTERNATIVE to wimpy wite men and House Negroes, and give them what they want~!! COOL HUH?

To that End I have set aside a fair amount of time and energy to promote the proposed candidacy of THEE ONE AND ONLY NEGROE Candidate that can BE what these young Pukes want THEIR PresidentiaL Candidate to BE~!!

I GIVE YALL...................

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"For goodness' sake,
Let's eat some cake."

[Meshuga Mikey]

TELL IT MY WITE SISTUH.

Let MeHumbly suggest a REAL Alternative, that might very well satisfy the NEED these Young BRUTHUHS have to be BLACK..Know wut I'm SAYIN HEAH?

As it appears there are no REAL NEGROES on the horizon within the present HIERCHY of the Democrap Parties Inner Circles--- what is needed here is to present these whiney bepimpled young complainers a CLEAR ALTERNATIVE to wimpy wite men and House Negroes, and give them what they want~!! COOL HUH?

To that End I have set aside a fair amount of time and energy to promote the proposed candidacy of THEE ONE AND ONLY NEGROE Candidate that can BE what these young Pukes want THEIR PresidentiaL Candidate to BE~!!

I GIVE YALL...................

http://people.delphiforums.com/artcruncher/MyPalAl.gif

Feel Free to make all donations to the My Pal Al Campaign at

http://www.JessesRags-n-Tags.com/bullstuff.html/holyshit.cgi


"For goodness' sake,
Let's eat some cake."

HAHAHA AINT HE ONE ODD UGLY ASS SUNBITCH~!?AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA

WE GOTS TO KEEL: WITEY AND WHEN HE BURIED------ WE GOT TO DIG HIS ASS UP AND KEEEL HIM AGAIN~!!!!!AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA

IM

I'm tired of going over the same points again and again. I'll try to cut to the chase here. I'm a white guy. I come from an upper middle class family and my father is now retired and probably worth a few million. We didn't have stables and Rolls Royces growing up but I'm certainly what YOU would call priviledged. Yes, my father could afford to pay, in cash in one lump sum probably, for my college. Yes, my father went to a car dealership and wrote a check for three shiny new cars for my brother, sister and I. That sort of helping hand from him has allowed me to be where I am today. If not for that assistance I would be a few squares back but it would only take me a little longer to get where I am now because this is where I was determined to be and I've worked my ass off to get here.

Now for the blacks it might be a bit harder. I know a few black families with the kind of "priviledge" i enjoyed growing up but they are rare and I won't deny it. So it IS more work, it is more difficult and there are more