Patty Murray is losing it.....

I understand her sympathies for the people who live in the Middle East - but how anyone can defend anything about Bin Laden just reeks a little too much to me of Hanoi Jane.

http://www.columbian.com/12192002/clark_co/345147.html

"We've got to ask, why is this man (Osama bin Laden) so popular around the world?," said Murray, who faces re-election in 2004. "Why are people so supportive of him in many countries … that are riddled with poverty?

"He's been out in these countries for decades, building schools, building roads, building infrastructure, building day care facilities, building health care facilities, and the people are extremely grateful. We haven't done that.


In principal she may just be trying to avoid war - but to build up scum like bin Laden is not cool. IMHO

[The Guardian]

??? I would ask if is this "fact" or rhetoric?

[wendy]

??? I would ask if is this "fact" or rhetoric?


Bin Laden sends a ton of money to poor muslim areas to build ultra-fundie muslim schools. The kids are taught little more than their version of islam. So he builds a couple of roads, ect... Lots of other Muslim countries do that as well. They're SUPPOSED to do that. ::)

[lgllady]

Anyone who believes what she said is a total fool. Osama built day care facilities. Really, who for? Women are not allowed to work. They are not even allowed to leave the house unescorted by a male family member. It's hard to believe that they ever considered day care facilities.

Schools! Imagine that. Schools. Who went to those schools? Girls were forbidden to read or write. Only boys could attend the madrassas where they recited incessently from the Quoran until it was committed to memory. There are no other classes.

Health care facilities. Now there is a real big joke on P.Murray. Women could not be examined by a doctor at all. The male doctors are not even taught anything about dealing with female medical problems.

I am shocked and dismayed by such ignorance coming from a United States Senator.

[greginboise]

For once, I must agree with CB. The madrassas (school) are cesspools of hate for anything remotely Western.

[Jethro Tull]

Bin Laden did subsidize a number of madrassas. But the roads and structures that he "built" were not charitable actions. He made his vast fortune in the construction business begun by his father.

Patty Murray is stupid. Not because of this subject, just listen to her talk. There is no subject upon which she has the slightest clue. The dumbest person in the Senate, without a doubt - and that was no easy title to win.

[Meshuga Mikey]

I am shocked and dismayed by such ignorance coming from a United States Senator.




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[Flyrod]

I understand her sympathies for the people who live in the Middle East - but how anyone can defend anything about Bin Laden just reeks a little too much to me of Hanoi Jane.

http://www.columbian.com/12192002/clark_co/345147.html

"We've got to ask, why is this man (Osama bin Laden) so popular around the world?," said Murray, who faces re-election in 2004. "Why are people so supportive of him in many countries ? that are riddled with poverty?

"He's been out in these countries for decades, building schools, building roads, building infrastructure, building day care facilities, building health care facilities, and the people are extremely grateful. We haven't done that.


In principal she may just be trying to avoid war - but to build up scum like bin Laden is not cool. IMHO

CB, I think Patty Murray lost it many years ago!!! ;D

[Moonchild]

I understand her sympathies for the people who live in the Middle East - but how anyone can defend anything about Bin Laden just reeks a little too much to me of Hanoi Jane.

http://www.columbian.com/12192002/clark_co/345147.html

"We've got to ask, why is this man (Osama bin Laden) so popular around the world?," said Murray, who faces re-election in 2004. "Why are people so supportive of him in many countries … that are riddled with poverty?

"He's been out in these countries for decades, building schools, building roads, building infrastructure, building day care facilities, building health care facilities, and the people are extremely grateful. We haven't done that.


In principal she may just be trying to avoid war - but to build up scum like bin Laden is not cool. IMHO


Where does she do that? I'm not able to see it.

[sodaknomad]

I understand her sympathies for the people who live in the Middle East - but how anyone can defend anything about Bin Laden just reeks a little too much to me of Hanoi Jane.

http://www.columbian.com/12192002/clark_co/345147.html

"We've got to ask, why is this man (Osama bin Laden) so popular around the world?," said Murray, who faces re-election in 2004. "Why are people so supportive of him in many countries … that are riddled with poverty?

"He's been out in these countries for decades, building schools, building roads, building infrastructure, building day care facilities, building health care facilities, and the people are extremely grateful. We haven't done that.


In principal she may just be trying to avoid war - but to build up scum like bin Laden is not cool. IMHO


Looks like something for Slade Gorton to bash the ultimate sucker, er soccermom about...

[Moonchild]

I'm still not seing how she builds up bin Laden.

[Flyrod]

I understand her sympathies for the people who live in the Middle East - but how anyone can defend anything about Bin Laden just reeks a little too much to me of Hanoi Jane.

http://www.columbian.com/12192002/clark_co/345147.html

"We've got to ask, why is this man (Osama bin Laden) so popular around the world?," said Murray, who faces re-election in 2004. "Why are people so supportive of him in many countries ? that are riddled with poverty?

"He's been out in these countries for decades, building schools, building roads, building infrastructure, building day care facilities, building health care facilities, and the people are extremely grateful. We haven't done that.


In principal she may just be trying to avoid war - but to build up scum like bin Laden is not cool. IMHO


Where does she do that? I'm not able to see it.

1- Osama made his fortune in construction!! Hummm....
2- Kinda a Jane Fonda thing as the pressing question is whether or not he is a threat to the USA!!
3- As to "We haven't done that" , I don't believe our economy is designed to prop up every 3rd world country in the world, especially an area so rich in oil reserves!! Apparently this rich area hasn't done much since so much poverty remains!!

[truelies]

Just remember, one of her MAJOR constituencies is the folks in Redmond who write Code for Microsoft. Is it ANY shock therefore that she is a total fool without a clue as to how things work IRL and that every time she opens her mouth shit sprews out that she swears is candy???????

I'm still not seing how she builds up bin Laden.


I am not sure what you are looking for.... In my realm of understanding - complimenting someone is generally known as "building them up". Now, if you look at all the wonderful accomplishments she heaped upon bin Laden - you will find that they fall into that category.

I am not saying that her 'anti-war' stance is not admirable and that she has every right to speak out against the war.

But there is a fine line here - albeit a politically correct one, that, IMHO, she crossed when she extolled the virtues of a man responsible for killing thousands of American citizens (if we can believe the accounting our government has given us). She, in my opinion, was attempting to portray a mass murder as a kind and compassionate person. And maybe he is - to his own.

But that is really a moot point at this time in the US when we are - for all intents and purposes - at war against this very gentleman. If she can come up with some facts that disprove his involvement in the WTC attacks - she should present them. But, as an American citizen there are some lines that I draw in the sand when it comes to patriotism. I do not want us to attack Iraq - but the bottom line is - this country has been good to me and I will reciprocate.

When she spoke so highly of bin Laden - it left a very sour taste in my mouth. To me - he lost all credibility of any good he has done when he killed so many.

[Moonchild]

Not at all Cherrybomb. What she is saying is that we have to look at why some people look at him as a hero. Any dictator / leader / terrorist does good deeds, or try to be seen as doing good deeds, in order to gain support.

Some, I’m sure see how the allied forces drop bombs on them, and how Bin Laden provides money for needed goods, and draw their conclusions from that. This is just noting facts. No value judgment what so ever. No building up.

Now that this is out of the way, let’s take it a step further.

Bin Laden, as most people I believe, is a complex human being with different facets. I’m sure that somewhere in the back of his mind, he wants what he perceives as good for his people. He might care for them, while hating the allies with vengeance, or if not hate then at least view them as a preferable enemy. Just look at Bush. He behaves moderately within the US borders, Christian fundamentalism aside, while seemingly having no regard for the lives and destinies of non Americans.

PS. Patriotism is not agreeing with what ever a gouvernment does. Patriotism is doing what you deem as best for your country no matter what personal consequenses it has.

[sodaknomad]

Not at all Cherrybomb. What she is saying is that we have to look at why some people look at him as a hero. Any dictator / leader / terrorist does good deeds, or try to be seen as doing good deeds, in order to gain support.

Some, I’m sure see how the allied forces drop bombs on them, and how Bin Laden provides money for needed goods, and draw their conclusions from that. This is just noting facts. No value judgment what so ever. No building up.

Now that this is out of the way, let’s take it a step further.

Bin Laden, as most people I believe, is a complex human being with different facets. I’m sure that somewhere in the back of his mind, he wants what he perceives as good for his people. He might care for them, while hating the allies with vengeance, or if not hate then at least view them as a preferable enemy. Just look at Bush. He behaves moderately within the US borders, Christian fundamentalism aside, while seemingly having no regard for the lives and destinies of non Americans.

PS. Patriotism is not agreeing with what ever a gouvernment does. Patriotism is doing what you deem as best for your country no matter what personal consequenses it has.


Loki,

If SoDamn Insane were threatening your country [Norway] with biological and possibly nuclear weapons, as he is ours, and if it can be proven that he is sponsoring and aiding al-Quaeda, what would be your opinion be? Right now the US IS gathering that proof armed with a "search warrant" in the name of a UN resolution. If our accusations prove true, then "justice" should be swift and sure.

[Moonchild]

Loki,

If SoDamn Insane were threatening your country [Norway] with biological and possibly nuclear weapons, as he is ours, and if it can be proven that he is sponsoring and aiding al-Quaeda, what would be your opinion be? Right now the US IS gathering that proof armed with a "search warrant" in the name of a UN resolution. If our accusations prove true, then "justice" should be swift and sure.


That has noting to do with the topic of this thread. I don't agree with you, but that we can discuss in other threads.

The thing is that Murray asked a legitimate question, and that doing so in no way validates Bin Laden.

Not at all Cherrybomb. What she is saying is that we have to look at why some people look at him as a hero. Any dictator / leader / terrorist does good deeds, or try to be seen as doing good deeds, in order to gain support.

From her speech - it sounded more like a 'humanizing' of bin Laden - an apology - if you will.

Some, I’m sure see how the allied forces drop bombs on them, and how Bin Laden provides money for needed goods, and draw their conclusions from that. This is just noting facts. No value judgment what so ever. No building up.

Wrong! Some (as you say) may see that if they are the recipients - Some...but not the country who had thousands slaughtered by him. But she WAS estoling his virtues. And there was a DEFINITE value judgement from her when she said "WE DON"T DO THAT". A direct comparison - placing the US in a lesser light. No way around that observation.

Now that this is out of the way, let’s take it a step further.

Yes, I am glad you finally understand.

Bin Laden, as most people I believe, is a complex human being with different facets. I’m sure that somewhere in the back of his mind, he wants what he perceives as good for his people. He might care for them, while hating the allies with vengeance, or if not hate then at least view them as a preferable enemy. Just look at Bush. He behaves moderately within the US borders, Christian fundamentalism aside, while seemingly having no regard for the lives and destinies of non Americans.

Well, that last paragraph tells me where your loyalties lie - and I am okay with that - as long as you are not in a position of political power in the US. However, your assumptions are quite inaccurate as Bush has put the value of Israeli lives (non-American's if you will) WAY above the welfare of American soldiers. IMHO.

PS. Patriotism is not agreeing with what ever a gouvernment does. Patriotism is doing what you deem as best for your country no matter what personal consequenses it has.


Well, that is a creative and apologetic view of patriotism. However the term "patriot" comes from Latin roots meaning, one who loves his or her country and supports its authority and interests .

Therefore, going against the authority of one's country (its governtment) is not acting in a patriotic manner.

You may be a pacifist. You may be a supporter of Patty. I do not know where your sentiments are coming from. And I respect them. But when she compared our country in a negative light against the virtues of the many who slaughtered thousands of us - she made an error in judgement. Of that - there is no question.

[Moonchild]

Cherrybomb

From her speech - it sounded more like a 'humanizing' of bin Laden - an apology - if you will.

He is a human being Cherry. Do you need him to be absolutely biblically Evil? What happens if he goes home at night and hugs his children?

I just don’t see how describing the methods he use to gain support in any way validates what he did. He _ has _ support. Do you find it unbelievable that some of the support comes from people that in _ one _ way have benefited from his actions?

Wrong! Some (as you say) may see that if they are the recipients - Some...but not the country who had thousands slaughtered by him. But she WAS estoling his virtues. And there was a DEFINITE value judgement from her when she said "WE DON"T DO THAT". A direct comparison - placing the US in a lesser light. No way around that observation.


Not at all. It means that he builds roads and hospitals we don’t. That has consequences. That is a description.

There is also an implied ought, which I agree with. We ought to do more than bombing people. We should use other means, and not only because it works but because we believe in certain values. I don’t know to what extent Bin Laden cares for ‘his’ people, and to what extent he is using them. What he apparently does, is to provide them with something they want.

Yes, I am glad you finally understand.

Don’t know what you are referring to.

Well, that last paragraph tells me where your loyalties lie - and I am okay with that - as long as you are not in a position of political power in the US. However, your assumptions are quite inaccurate as Bush has put the value of Israeli lives (non-American's if you will) WAY above the welfare of American soldiers. IMHO.


My loyalties lie with certain values. Values GWB claims to believe in, but does nothing to promote, at the contrary in fact. Bin Laden does not promote those values either. Both seem to follow the principle of might makes right, and the end justifies the means.

Well, that is a creative and apologetic view of patriotism. However the term "patriot" comes from Latin roots meaning, one who loves his or her country and supports its authority and interests .


We would have to look at what interests mean then, and to equate interests with use of military and unquestioning support of a regime in my view is wrong.

Therefore, going against the authority of one's country (its governtment) is not acting in a patriotic manner.

So Schindler was not a patriot? If not, I don’t care much for the label.

You may be a pacifist. You may be a supporter of Patty. I do not know where your sentiments are coming from. And I respect them. But when she compared our country in a negative light against the virtues of the many who slaughtered thousands of us - she made an error in judgement. Of that - there is no question.

I’m not a pacifist. I don’t know much about Patty, but I felt from what you quoted that she was misrepresented.

Bush started his war on terror with promising to fight terrorism with other means than just war, he has not delivered. I think it’s hurting the fight against terror, and it should be discussed. Why do people feel that a terrorist represent them better than we do?

I would kill Osama myself if I ever ran into him than I would hike his carcass up a flag pole in New York City just high enough for any young man 12 and up could piss on his rotten remains.

Can us girls, 12 and up - throw rocks? ;D

Can us girls, 12 and up - throw rocks? ;D


Oh yes indeed. ;D

Moonchild.

You have the wrong idea of me if you think I attribute 'biblical evil' to anything.

Patty could easily have said that bin Laden garnished support from the people there by provided all kinds of charitable things WITHOUT comparing his acts favorably against the UNITED STATES.

But, instead, she did one of those, "He does good things - we do not". Go and read her words. That is what she did.

Then I said that crossed a personal line for ME and that it reminded me of Hanoi Jane.

Nothing incorrect in that statement as far as I can see.

PS - Shindler was NO patriot as far as I can tell. How do you see him as such?

Actually, Patty has now begun the rapid backpeddling:

Sen. Murray Statement on America's Role in the World

Having a challenging and thoughtful discussion about America's future reflects the best values of a free democracy;

To sensationalize and distort in an attempt to divide does not

For Immediate Release: December 20, 2002


Osama Bin Laden is an evil terrorist who is responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans. Bringing him to justice, dismantling his terrorist network, and protecting our nation from further attacks must continue to be our government's highest priorities, and I continue to vigorously support those efforts in the Senate.



So I guess she realized what her priorities needed to be all along. I would still keep an eye on her though, of only for posterity's sake.

[Moonchild]

CherryBomb

Moonchild.

You have the wrong idea of me if you think I attribute 'biblical evil' to anything.

That was me being evil ;) I know how you stand on religion.

Patty could easily have said that bin Laden garnished support from the people there by provided all kinds of charitable things WITHOUT comparing his acts favorably against the UNITED STATES.


Not if she want the US to take the mantle of Bin Laden, and start wearing it for it self. It’s sound advice. Here is where we are, here is where we should be. Give people credit for being able to see things in perspective. She did not say that Bin Laden is good / heroic.

But, instead, she did one of those, "He does good things - we do not". Go and read her words. That is what she did.

No she say that he does _ some _ good things, and that we are not seen doing those things. If you ask here what she thinks about BL in general I bet it’s not favorable.


Then I said that crossed a personal line for ME and that it reminded me of Hanoi Jane.

Noting like her, and neither is Sean Pen ;)

PS - Shindler was NO patriot as far as I can tell. How do you see him as such?

He worked more in the interests of Germany than Hitler in my view. Hitler’s actions did not promote a German society that most could or at least should accept.

Actually, Patty has now begun the rapid backpeddling:

Sen. Murray Statement on America's Role in the World

Having a challenging and thoughtful discussion about America's future reflects the best values of a free democracy;

To sensationalize and distort in an attempt to divide does not

For Immediate Release: December 20, 2002


Osama Bin Laden is an evil terrorist who is responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans. Bringing him to justice, dismantling his terrorist network, and protecting our nation from further attacks must continue to be our government's highest priorities, and I continue to vigorously support those efforts in the Senate.



So I guess she realized what her priorities needed to be all along. I would still keep an eye on her though, of only for posterity's sake.



She's a politician, which means she can talk out of both sides of her mouth.

Moonchild,

The one thing I am sure of is that you and I have very different perspectives on what is and is not patriotic. I still think Patty screwed up and I think her latest statement that I quoted above shows her back peddling very quickly.

Schindler - to me - was a fictional character, for the most part. He existed - but the movie version was quite exagerrated. As for a patriot - no way. He went against the authority of his government. WAs he correct in doing so ? Sure. But being right and being patriotic are not the same.

[Moonchild]

Actually, Patty has now begun the rapid backpeddling:

Sen. Murray Statement on America's Role in the World

Having a challenging and thoughtful discussion about America's future reflects the best values of a free democracy;

To sensationalize and distort in an attempt to divide does not

For Immediate Release: December 20, 2002


Osama Bin Laden is an evil terrorist who is responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans. Bringing him to justice, dismantling his terrorist network, and protecting our nation from further attacks must continue to be our government's highest priorities, and I continue to vigorously support those efforts in the Senate.



So I guess she realized what her priorities needed to be all along. I would still keep an eye on her though, of only for posterity's sake.


It does not contradict what she said previously, in fact she specify what I thought she said. She did not praise Osama, she said that he did some things that made him popular in certain parts of the world.
She just had to use the small spoons for the peanut crowd ;)

Probably a 'freeper' type of deliberate campaign.

[Moonchild]

Moonchild,

The one thing I am sure of is that you and I have very different perspectives on what is and is not patriotic. I still think Patty screwed up and I think her latest statement that I quoted above shows her back peddling very quickly.

Schindler - to me - was a fictional character, for the most part. He existed - but the movie version was quite exagerrated. As for a patriot - no way. He went against the authority of his government. WAs he correct in doing so ? Sure. But being right and being patriotic are not the same.


CherryBomb

I’m sure you are right about the term ’patriotism’. I’m not skilled in languages, not even in my native tongue.

Let me ask you this though; with your definition is it a goal to be a patriot? To me it seems to equal lapdog. It seems that there should be a nobler meaning to the word in order to make it worth aspiring to.

[sodaknomad]

Can us girls, 12 and up - throw rocks? ;D


Oh yes indeed. ;D


Just make sure I'm finished with the piss before you start with the rocks...

[cobe]

"Just look at Bush. He behaves moderately within the US borders, Christian fundamentalism aside, while seemingly having no regard for the lives and destinies of non Americans."

He has no regards for the lives of Americans either.

"were threatening your country [Norway] with biological and possibly nuclear weapons, as he is ours, and if it can be proven that he is sponsoring and aiding al-Quaeda, what would be your opinion be?"

Absolutely ridiculous. Iraq has no capability of threatening anyone with nuclear or biological weapons. It certainly has no missiles anywhere near capable of reaching the US.
The USSA regime knows this, which is why they are going after him. Plain and simple, they want to steal his oil on behalf of petroleum corporations in return for campaign contributions to the Bush family.

Now, North Korea actually has nuclear weapons. They've announced it. The USSA regime is not going after them precisely because they know that their vassals in South Korea and Japan are vulnerable.

If Iraq did have these weapons, they would simply be in a situation of mutual assured destruction with Israel. And if there is anything Hussein is not, it's suicidal. But, his military and industry has been decimated by the decade long blockade. The USSA imperialist swine have intentionally (and admittedly - Albright copped to it) starved a million Iraqi children to death, and now they are going in for the kill to steal the oil. Disgusting.

Furthermore, it is well known that Saddam and Nin Laden hate each other. Iraq is a secular nation. Bin Laden wants Islamic law. They are also from different branches of Islam. The last thing Saddam would do would be aid Bin Laden. This is also a transparent lie by the USSA propaganda team. What is surprising is that they haven't even bothered to manufacture fake evidence.

"So Schindler was not a patriot? If not, I don’t care much for the label. "

Good. Patriotism is nothing to care for.

"Bush started his war on terror with promising to fight terrorism with other means than just war, he has not delivered."

Bush is the world's biggest terrorist.

"I would kill Osama myself if I ever ran into him than I would hike his carcass up a flag pole in New York City just high enough for any young man 12 and up could piss on his rotten remains."

Sounds like too good for the Bush family!

"But being right and being patriotic are not the same."

Exactly!

Patty Murray...no opinion, other than that all sitting politicians are scum.

[Moonchild]

Absolutely ridiculous. Iraq has no capability of threatening anyone with nuclear or biological weapons. It certainly has no missiles anywhere near capable of reaching the US.
The USSA regime knows this, which is why they are going after him. Plain and simple, they want to steal his oil on behalf of petroleum corporations in return for campaign contributions to the Bush family.

I don’t think this is the way it works Kobe. Bush don’t want to steal the oil, he wants to control the flow of oil. I think Newsweek ran a story (before the 9/11), take this with a pinch of salt, where it said that a war to take control over oil would be worth fighting. It’s that important to US economy.

The Saudis have been increasingly more hostile towards the US, and the regime has been under threat from a disgruntled population. A toppled SA regime and a hostile Iraqi regime could wreck havoc on the US, economically speaking.

Something had to be done. Fuck a rule of law, fuck no first strike, fuck human rights … US interests demands a steady flow of oil.

Of course while in charge, US companies will get preferential treatment as well. Call it a bonus.

[Jethro Tull]

As usual, the idiot left cannot stay on topic. Without brains, higher motor function seems impossible.

Patty Murray was WRONG. bin Laden has NOT funded charity and infrastructure. It is a LIE. He has funded only the Islamist schools that preach his perverted form of the religion, excluding females of course. The ONLY infrastructure he has funded was that intended to improve his own operations - either in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Sudan, or Somalia.

In FACT, bin Laden has actually DIVERTED millions from legitimate charities in the Muslim world to aid his terrorist organizations.

You brain-dead leftists cannot even count. bin Laden's fortune is an estimated $300 million, and he spent an estimated $50 million in Afghanistan from the late 1970s to 2001. Where are all his great works? Do you know how much the United States has spent funding infrastructure and health care throughout the third world?

Murray wasn't "presenting an explanation of bin Laden's popularity" at the time she spoke, that is all spin after the shit hit the fan. If that were her intent, why would she not bother to get the facts right? She said what she really thinks - all of which is wrong, as usual - then started backtracking when it made the papers. She's just like the rest of you leftists.

Idiots. All of you.

[Moonchild]

Jethro, restate your post in a somewhat adult fashion and I'll answer it point by point.

[lgllady]

Two errors.

One, assuming because chatty patty said that bin laden did chairitable works makes it true. He didn't. His money went into arms and training terrorists. He didn't build roads, he excavated caves.

The second is that bin laden made his money in construction. He didn't. His family owns the biggest construction company in the ME. bin laden didn't actually make any money himself. His money is all inherited.

Bin laden was educated as an engineer but he never actually worked.

[Jethro Tull]

Jethro, restate your post in a somewhat adult fashion and I'll answer it point by point.




If you are too stupid to read plain English, bugger off!

[lgllady]

What's surprising is that no feminists have gone after chatty patty. After all, she was speaking kindly of a man who has 12 wives, believes that women should not work (day care centers, oh brother) or even leave the house unescorted. He believes that girls should not be taught to read or write. What's more, he imposed these ideas through the Taliban on the women of Afghanistan, and really would like to impose it on everyone throughout the world.

If this is what she believes are the charitable works of a kindly man, would she champion an American politican that said that girls should not attend school, women should cover their faces and women could not receive medical examinations for female problems?

No one has called her on this! Liberals and American haters will stop at nothing to cover up for one another.

[truelies]

Whatever gave you the idea that Feminists CARE about ordinary women???????? They are just another Marxist Front designed to undermine and destroy traditional America.

[greginboise]

With any luck these words will come back to haunt her in 2004, and the Repubs will regain the seat. Murray is an absolute retard who has no business being in govt.

[lgllady]

Whatever gave you the idea that Feminists CARE about ordinary women???????? They are just another Marxist Front designed to undermine and destroy traditional America.


What you say is true. However, shouldn't they at least keep up a pretense?

[lgllady]

Seems the Ms. Murray supported Bin Laden and the Taliban long before she opened her mouth.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30166

[Flyrod]

Seems the Ms. Murray supported Bin Laden and the Taliban long before she opened her mouth.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30166


lgllady, you just keep hitting the nail every time!! There are so many Idiots and Liars out there, it's like the 'Twilite Zone' or something!!! ;D

[lgllady]

I believe there's a petition circulating to remove Ms. Chatty Patty Murray. I will be SOOOOOO happy to sign it. :D