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12-20-2002, 07:09 AM
Conning everyone that her daughter had cancer was bad enough - but this freak actually took her kid to psychologists to prepare her to DIE!

That kid needs a new home in a bad way.

She means nothing to that mother. Makes me wonder how far the bitch would have taken the con. To the little one's grave?

She would tell Hannah they were going to hospital to receive treatment, drive until she fell asleep, and then tell she had had her treatment when she woke up

She took her daughter to counselling to prepare to die

She put a plaster on the girl's back and told people it covered a "port" where chemotherapy was administered

She gave her sleeping pills before shaving her head

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38614000/jpg/_38614129_milbrandt_150220_ap.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2593691.stm

wendy
12-20-2002, 07:12 AM
Throw her ass UNDER the jail. >:(

12-20-2002, 07:15 AM
Throw her ass UNDER the jail. >:(


I'll second that!

jeny
12-20-2002, 09:09 AM
fucking bitch. Someone should shave her head AND give her chemo.

12-20-2002, 10:35 AM
I saw this on the news. Very sad...

Moonchild
12-20-2002, 01:58 PM
Sad indeed One Eye Jack. Do I sense a different attitude/understanding from you than we see in the rest of the posts?

sodaknomad
12-20-2002, 02:05 PM
Throw her ass UNDER the jail. >:(


Throwing the bitch under the jail might just be too good a punishment... :(

12-20-2002, 02:08 PM
Sad indeed One Eye Jack. Do I sense a different attitude/understanding from you than we see in the rest of the posts?


I think Jack has a really affinity for children and their plight. He and I do not agree on a lot - but I think he would do a lot - if it would help a child.

12-20-2002, 03:01 PM
Sad indeed One Eye Jack. Do I sense a different attitude/understanding from you than we see in the rest of the posts?


Maybe, but it's the same old One Eyed Jack here. What kind of attitude do my other posts convey?

Moonchild
12-20-2002, 10:44 PM
Sad indeed One Eye Jack. Do I sense a different attitude/understanding from you than we see in the rest of the posts?


Maybe, but it's the same old One Eyed Jack here. What kind of attitude do my other posts convey?


No, I meant diffrent from the other posters in this thread.

wendy
12-21-2002, 10:14 AM
Moonchild, could you clarify that? Do you see the mother as a 'victim'?

truelies
12-21-2002, 10:16 AM
There is a mental disorder in women which revolves around craving the attention which comes to the Mother of a sick, dying or deceased child.

12-21-2002, 10:19 AM
There is a mental disorder in women which revolves around craving the attention which comes to the Mother of a sick, dying or deceased child.


That's great. Sterilize those women.

Heeey BooBoo
12-21-2002, 10:31 AM
What this lady did is indeed regrettable, but it sounds like a classic case of 'crying out for help'. People with mental illness should be treated with dignity and respect until they receive proper treatment from their local mental health services. Judgementalism isn't the solution to these types of cases. Compassion is.

12-21-2002, 10:33 AM
What this lady did is indeed regrettable, but it sounds like a classic case of 'crying out for help'. People with mental illness should be treated with dignity and respect until they receive proper treatment from their local mental health services. Judgementalism isn't the solution to these types of cases. Compassion is.



Compassion is a weakness. It allows another to escape responsibility for their actions.

Who doesn't have a "mental illness?" I've never met anyone without one.

SENOR DON GATO
12-21-2002, 10:35 AM
To me, it sounds more like a disease of greediness for money than a mental illness.

truelies
12-21-2002, 10:38 AM
There is a mental disorder in women which revolves around craving the attention which comes to the Mother of a sick, dying or deceased child.


That's great. Sterilize those women.


The affliction is believed to have roots similar to a male condition which involves calling undue and often fraudulent attention to ones skills with and /or size of wang, guns, golf clubs or lawnmower. In either case there is no know cure and the sufferer is ALWAYS in a rigid state of denial.

12-21-2002, 10:41 AM
The affliction is believed to have roots similar to a male condition which involves calling undue and often fraudulent attention to ones skills with and /or size of wang, guns, golf clubs or lawnmower. In either case there is no know cure and the sufferer is ALWAYS in a rigid state of denial.


Public humiliation might go a long way in that cure. I've seen it work wonders on many an arrogant prick.

12-21-2002, 10:42 AM
Sad indeed One Eye Jack. Do I sense a different attitude/understanding from you than we see in the rest of the posts?


Maybe, but it's the same old One Eyed Jack here. What kind of attitude do my other posts convey?


No, I meant diffrent from the other posters in this thread.


Not really -- they don't seem any happier about it than I am.

12-21-2002, 10:47 AM
Insanity is "doing the same thing over and over again, hoping for different results."

Chapter One. I walk down the street. There is a deep hole in the pavement. I fall in. I am lost. I am helpless. It isn't my fault. It takes forever to get out.

Chapter Two. I walk down the street; there is a deep hole in the pavement. I pretend I don't see it. I fall in again. I can't believe I'm in the same place, but it isn't my fault. It still takes a long time to get out.

Chapter Three. I walk down the street. There is a deep hole in the pavement. I see it is there. I still fall in. It's a habit. But now my eyes are open. I know where I am. It is my fault. I get out immediately.

Chapter Four. I walk down the street. There is a deep hole in the sidewalk. I walk around it.

Chapter Five. I walk down a different street.

SENOR DON GATO
12-21-2002, 10:51 AM
Why is it that some people seem doomed to read Chapter's Two and Three many, many times before they move on?

12-21-2002, 10:52 AM
Why is it that some people seem doomed to read Chapter's Two and Three many, many times before they move on?


I think we too easily confuse stupidity with insanity.

SENOR DON GATO
12-21-2002, 10:56 AM
Or, in the case of Clinton - it's just too damned fun!

Moonchild
12-21-2002, 11:58 AM
Moonchild, could you clarify that? Do you see the mother as a 'victim'?


I would not know. I don’t feel that it’s appropriate to jump unto a conclusion after reading a newspaper clip.

Often when we come to the bottom of such events, the only thing left to say is that it’s sad. This does not mean that there should not be any consequences mind you.

jeny
12-21-2002, 12:12 PM
Moonchild, could you clarify that? Do you see the mother as a 'victim'?


I would not know. I don’t feel that it’s appropriate to jump unto a conclusion after reading a newspaper clip.

Often when we come to the bottom of such events, the only thing left to say is that it’s sad. This does not mean that there should not be any consequences mind you.



The anger is understandable considering the exploitation and damage done to the child all in the name of money. If the fundraising efforts had not played a part, it may be different, but she made money off of her child in such a disgusting manner... any Mother can tell you the utter lack of love and concern and absence of primal maternal insticnt that the woman must encompass...

wendy
12-21-2002, 12:25 PM
Drugging you child, shaving her head and faking chemo is not just 'sad', it's criminal.

12-21-2002, 12:25 PM
I seriously doubt it was about the money. I think it was about the sympathy.

Moonchild
12-21-2002, 12:27 PM
Drugging you child, shaving her head and faking chemo is not just 'sad', it's criminal.


It could be both at the same time Wendya.

Persephone
12-21-2002, 12:32 PM
Holy shit. This is one of those cases where insanity is just no excuse. Sure, we can sympathize with the mentally ill, but any mental illness that becomes harmful to others, especially children, is a crime. It matters not what name it goes by. It's criminal, and she should face the consequences for it.

12-21-2002, 01:34 PM
When I heard it on the news, they said authorities were still trying to figure out what to charge her with. I think criminal negligence, child abuse, and fraud might be a good start.

Heeey BooBoo
12-21-2002, 01:52 PM
Holy shit. This is one of those cases where insanity is just no excuse. Sure, we can sympathize with the mentally ill, but any mental illness that becomes harmful to others, especially children, is a crime. It matters not what name it goes by. It's criminal, and she should face the consequences for it.



It's not the "mentally ill's" fault, it's society's failure to properly evaluate her marginal behavior and offer solutions accordingly. One possible method of evaluation would be the formation of a committee; whose task would be the interviewing of parents with children up to the age of 12. Any tell-tell signs of 'cognitive challenges' in parental behavior, i.e. corporal punishment etc, would be enough of a red flag to remove a child from such an environment. And once the parent has been properly treated at a licensed mental health care facility, parental rights would be returned....subject to annual review.

Persephone
12-21-2002, 01:56 PM
Holy shit. This is one of those cases where insanity is just no excuse. Sure, we can sympathize with the mentally ill, but any mental illness that becomes harmful to others, especially children, is a crime. It matters not what name it goes by. It's criminal, and she should face the consequences for it.



It's not the "mentally ill's" fault, it's society's failure to properly evaluate her marginal behavior and offer solutions accordingly. One possible method of evaluation would be the formation of a committee; whose task would be the interviewing of parents with children up to the age of 12. Any tell-tell signs of 'cognitive challenges' in parental behavior, i.e. corporal punishment etc, would be enough of a red flag to remove a child from such an environment. And once the parent has been properly treated at a licensed mental health care facility, parental rights would be returned....subject to annual review.





Get real.

12-21-2002, 02:05 PM
It's not the "mentally ill's" fault, it's society's failure to properly evaluate her marginal behavior and offer solutions accordingly. One possible method of evaluation would be the formation of a committee; whose task would be the interviewing of parents with children up to the age of 12. Any tell-tell signs of 'cognitive challenges' in parental behavior, i.e. corporal punishment etc, would be enough of a red flag to remove a child from such an environment. And once the parent has been properly treated at a licensed mental health care facility, parental rights would be returned....subject to annual review.




You actually sat there with abso-fucking-lutely nothing else to do and thought this up all by yourself? That's amazing. What's even more incredible is that you spent the time formulating this shit into words with the intent of sharing it.

Are you on drugs?

Heeey BooBoo
12-21-2002, 02:15 PM
It's not the "mentally ill's" fault, it's society's failure to properly evaluate her marginal behavior and offer solutions accordingly. One possible method of evaluation would be the formation of a committee; whose task would be the interviewing of parents with children up to the age of 12. Any tell-tell signs of 'cognitive challenges' in parental behavior, i.e. corporal punishment etc, would be enough of a red flag to remove a child from such an environment. And once the parent has been properly treated at a licensed mental health care facility, parental rights would be returned....subject to annual review.




You actually sat there with abso-fucking-lutely nothing else to do and thought this up all by yourself? That's amazing. What's even more incredible is that you spent the time formulating this shit into words with the intent of sharing it.

Are you on drugs?



You sound very hostile. If you have nothing to hide, then you have absolutely nothing to worry about. With PATRIOT ACT and SNOOPS already in place....or about to be in place, it's only a matter of time before abusive/aggressive people such as yourself will have to answer to the proper authorities.

And the only drugs I take were prescribed to me by my doctor.

jeny
12-21-2002, 02:18 PM
Holy shit. This is one of those cases where insanity is just no excuse. Sure, we can sympathize with the mentally ill, but any mental illness that becomes harmful to others, especially children, is a crime. It matters not what name it goes by. It's criminal, and she should face the consequences for it.



It's not the "mentally ill's" fault, it's society's failure to properly evaluate her marginal behavior and offer solutions accordingly. One possible method of evaluation would be the formation of a committee; whose task would be the interviewing of parents with children up to the age of 12. Any tell-tell signs of 'cognitive challenges' in parental behavior, i.e. corporal punishment etc, would be enough of a red flag to remove a child from such an environment. And once the parent has been properly treated at a licensed mental health care facility, parental rights would be returned....subject to annual review.




That is such bullshit. The day some government agnvy tries to take my kid away is the day they discover how many weapons I own.

12-21-2002, 02:21 PM
And the only drugs I take were prescribed to me by my doctor.


TAKE MORE!! ::)

I-RIGHT-I
12-21-2002, 02:41 PM
Well BooBoo I like your idea but the fact is all that is being done by social services right now. The problem as I see it are the flags. For example your mention of corporal punishment being a reason for action is exactly backwards. If there is a child that exhibits continued sassing, lack of respect for authority figures or other boorish behavior in school the parents should be interviewed and checked for Liberalism. If the symptoms aren't too great and in the opinion of the interviewers they can be cured then they should be allowed to continue to raise the children. If not then it's off to the orphanage for the children and the mental hospital for the parents. Subject to annual reviews, of course. What we as a society are slowly beginning to realize is this; Liberalism in all it's hideous forms is the number one killer of minds in the world. If you don't believe that just visit Indymedia or Dem. Underground. Ohhh.....the humanity!

Heeey BooBoo
12-21-2002, 04:12 PM
Well BooBoo I like your idea but the fact is all that is being done by social services right now. The problem as I see it are the flags. For example your mention of corporal punishment being a reason for action is exactly backwards. If there is a child that exhibits continued sassing, lack of respect for authority figures or other boorish behavior in school the parents should be interviewed and checked for Liberalism. If the symptoms aren't too great and in the opinion of the interviewers they can be cured then they should be allowed to continue to raise the children. If not then it's off to the orphanage for the children and the mental hospital for the parents. Subject to annual reviews, of course. What we as a society are slowly beginning to realize is this; Liberalism in all it's hideous forms is the number one killer of minds in the world. If you don't believe that just visit Indymedia or Dem. Underground. Ohhh.....the humanity!



I hope you don't like it too much, because everything I've posted to this board is total BS.

Persephone
12-21-2002, 04:14 PM
Well BooBoo I like your idea but the fact is all that is being done by social services right now. The problem as I see it are the flags. For example your mention of corporal punishment being a reason for action is exactly backwards. If there is a child that exhibits continued sassing, lack of respect for authority figures or other boorish behavior in school the parents should be interviewed and checked for Liberalism. If the symptoms aren't too great and in the opinion of the interviewers they can be cured then they should be allowed to continue to raise the children. If not then it's off to the orphanage for the children and the mental hospital for the parents. Subject to annual reviews, of course. What we as a society are slowly beginning to realize is this; Liberalism in all it's hideous forms is the number one killer of minds in the world. If you don't believe that just visit Indymedia or Dem. Underground. Ohhh.....the humanity!



I hope you don't like it too much, because everything I've posted to this board is total BS.



No shit. Whose yank are you trying to chain?

Heeey BooBoo
12-21-2002, 04:23 PM
Well BooBoo I like your idea but the fact is all that is being done by social services right now. The problem as I see it are the flags. For example your mention of corporal punishment being a reason for action is exactly backwards. If there is a child that exhibits continued sassing, lack of respect for authority figures or other boorish behavior in school the parents should be interviewed and checked for Liberalism. If the symptoms aren't too great and in the opinion of the interviewers they can be cured then they should be allowed to continue to raise the children. If not then it's off to the orphanage for the children and the mental hospital for the parents. Subject to annual reviews, of course. What we as a society are slowly beginning to realize is this; Liberalism in all it's hideous forms is the number one killer of minds in the world. If you don't believe that just visit Indymedia or Dem. Underground. Ohhh.....the humanity!



I hope you don't like it too much, because everything I've posted to this board is total BS.



No shit. Whose yank are you trying to chain?



Nobody seemed to have a problem with most of the liberal shit I was posting. I used all the buzz words such as "compassion, tolerance, racism, bigotry etc." You can really put folks on the defensive with those. It pained me to play the liberal though, I must admit.

12-21-2002, 04:23 PM
I hope you don't like it too much, because everything I've posted to this board is total BS.


You do have to admit your last flatulance was a bit of a Stanley Pickle-ish?

Heeey BooBoo
12-21-2002, 04:25 PM
I hope you don't like it too much, because everything I've posted to this board is total BS.


You do have to admit your last flatulance was a bit of a Stanley Pickle-ish?



Thanks man.

Persephone
12-21-2002, 04:38 PM
The Pickle? Cool. I wondered when he'd show. I knew we couldn't have been abandoned. :-*

12-21-2002, 04:45 PM
I hope you don't like it too much, because everything I've posted to this board is total BS.


You do have to admit your last flatulance was a bit of a Stanley Pickle-ish?



Thanks man.


So so Boo Boo are are you you Stanley Stanley??

wendy
12-21-2002, 06:58 PM
So so Boo Boo are are you you Stanley Stanley??


Not if there is a God. ;D

Moonchild
12-22-2002, 12:12 AM
Well BooBoo I like your idea but the fact is all that is being done by social services right now. The problem as I see it are the flags. For example your mention of corporal punishment being a reason for action is exactly backwards. If there is a child that exhibits continued sassing, lack of respect for authority figures or other boorish behavior in school the parents should be interviewed and checked for Liberalism. If the symptoms aren't too great and in the opinion of the interviewers they can be cured then they should be allowed to continue to raise the children. If not then it's off to the orphanage for the children and the mental hospital for the parents. Subject to annual reviews, of course. What we as a society are slowly beginning to realize is this; Liberalism in all it's hideous forms is the number one killer of minds in the world. If you don't believe that just visit Indymedia or Dem. Underground. Ohhh.....the humanity!



I hope you don't like it too much, because everything I've posted to this board is total BS.



No shit. Whose yank are you trying to chain?



Nobody seemed to have a problem with most of the liberal shit I was posting. I used all the buzz words such as "compassion, tolerance, racism, bigotry etc." You can really put folks on the defensive with those. It pained me to play the liberal though, I must admit.





I pegged you as a troll the first post I read from you ::) You are not that clever you know. You spewed what conservatives like to portray the liberals to mean, no what they actually do mean.

One day I'm going to tell you about honesty, integrity and personal responsibility.

Descartes
01-07-2003, 09:57 AM
It's called Munchausen by Proxy.

http://nsweb.nursingspectrum.com/ce/ce209.htm

It's still no excuse.

Question: How many states allow a verdict of "Guilty but Insane"? (Normally results in psychotherapy until deemed well, with the rest of sentence served in prison.)