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12-18-2002, 01:28 PM
There is always a lot of debate about how the Jews are gods chosen people. A lot of Christians believe that.

But the Jews deny that Jesus was the Messiah. They believe he was a false prophet. They are still waiting for their Messiah.

What biblical basis do they have for making these assumptions?

The Bible gave a warning about a dangerous, false prophet who would arise to test our faith in G-d. In Deuteronomy 13, G-d describes this false prophet as a member of the Jewish people (v. 2, 7) who would tell true prophecies and would have the power of miracles. G-d Himself would give this false prophet the power to perform miracles and reveal prophecy, but the false prophet would try to seduce the people away from G-d's Law and towards strange gods unknown to Judaism. The purpose would be to test whether we are truly committed to living under the Law, or whether we will be dazzled and fall for the temptation to join a false path to salvation (v. 3-6, 7-8, 11). In this Biblical passage, G-d repeatedly commands the Jews to kill this false prophet, lest the evil spread and destroy many souls.

and their reasoning seems to point straight towards the Jesus the Christians believe as the real Messiah to be just what God told them the fake one would be:

In Deuteronomy 17, this false prophet is also described as someone who would rebel against the authority of the judges of the Jewish people, and who should be put to death for his rebelliousness (v. 8-13, esp. v. 12). Who are the judges? The highest court in Israel was the Sanhedrin, which was established by Moses (Exodus 18:13-26; Numbers 11:16-29), and which lasted more than 15 centuries. The members of the Sanhedrin were the rabbis known as "Pharisees" (Pirushim, "those with the explanation"). G-d gave permanent authority to these judges to interpret the Law and G-d's Word, and it is a commandment to follow their decisions without turning even slightly to the right or the left (Deut. 17:11). But the false prophet would challenge the authority of the Sanhedrin, thus revealing himself to be an evil man.

I am not going to judge one way or the other but I think that it would behoove Christians to at least look at the evidence the bible presents to back up the Jewish thought that it is a foolish and evil step one takes when they accept without first hearing them out:

http://www.noahide.com/yeshu.htm

12-18-2002, 02:10 PM
Thales,

I guess my position is 'what if they are right'? They use scripture very well to back their stance. And even if you lose the Talmud stuff there is some good evidence they post.

Not that I believe it. I am just saying that when it comes to religions - shouldn't we all learn as much as possible to assure we are armed with the best knowledge out there?

I do not believe them or the Christians but I think it would help if both read and heard each other's reasoning so they could better understand where the other person is coming from.

12-18-2002, 02:36 PM
That is the biggest problem I have with most religions. They each need to prove the others wrong and attack them for their's to be right.

The Jews attack and defame Jesus - the Christians attack and defame Mohhamed - the Muslims defame Buddah, and so on.

Then they want to start killing the others to reduce the 'enemy of God'. It seems so silly and dangerous.

Does religion ever help more than it harms?

truelies
12-18-2002, 03:31 PM
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That is the biggest problem I have with most religions. They each need to prove the others wrong and attack them for their's to be right.

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How is that so terribly different from your motivations? You put a lot of effort into attempts to discredit/disprove Chritianity. Indeed sorry to say I think you devout more time/energy into dragging people away from Christianity than the great majority of Christians expend to lead the Lost to Christ. You are positively evangelical about this cause it seems. I don't know if you have ever managed to crumble someone's Faith (probably not), but if so I expect it was an incredible rush for you. IMHO even thinking about doing so is a bit of a thrill for you. For sure maintaining your comfort level with your current ideas about things spiritual requires constantly reminding yourself and others about how wrong Christianity is.

12-18-2002, 03:36 PM
truelies,

I do not set out to just discredit Christianity - but I want Christians to understand how ir must feel to those of a different religion who feel the same way.

I don't really want to destroy anyone's faith. And I don't think I can.

I like to point out discrepancies in religions and comparisons so that people realize that they are not so unlike others.

But I go too far. I am worried that I hurt lonestar's feelings - as we have been friends for a long time - and so I am going to back off (a bit) and for (a while).

Sorry.

truelies
12-18-2002, 03:51 PM
truelies,

I do not set out to just discredit Christianity - but I want Christians to understand how ir must feel to those of a different religion who feel the same way.

I don't really want to destroy anyone's faith. And I don't think I can.

I like to point out discrepancies in religions and comparisons so that people realize that they are not so unlike others.

But I go too far. I am worried that I hurt lonestar's feelings - as we have been friends for a long time - and so I am going to back off (a bit) and for (a while).

Sorry.


There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with expounding on what you believe to be truth. By the same token there is nothing wrong when I, buzz, thales or lonestar do the same thing from our viewpoints. I have to think though that on some level you get a rush out of getting a rise out of people or you would not be here (same holds true for most everyone else here). As to lonestar- give the good old boy a hug & a kiss and I am sure you will be buds again.

buzaw
12-18-2002, 05:01 PM
That is the biggest problem I have with most religions. They each need to prove the others wrong and attack them for their's to be right.

The Jews attack and defame Jesus - the Christians attack and defame Mohhamed - the Muslims defame Buddah, and so on.

Then they want to start killing the others to reduce the 'enemy of God'. It seems so silly and dangerous.

Does religion ever help more than it harms?

To understand this, you must understand that there's an evil Satan who wishes to deceive. One religion is true. He offers a smorgasboard of counterfeits to distract from truth. Our debates n so forth are about sorting this out to hopefully come to truth.