Sodomy, the Source of GAIDS

[I-RIGHT-I]

The Jews know a few things about Sodomites too. It's not just the Christians who hate what G-d hates.

Sodomy - The Pride of Liberal Secularism



An abomination which turned to be the pride of secular civilization:

Sodomy.

Which is one of the 365 negative commandments in the Torah. Non Jews, who are obliged by the seven Noachide Commandments, are forbidden from this perpetration as well. Since this misdeed turned to be in recent years one of the leading banners of secular liberalism, it's proper then to dedicate to it a special chapter in our agonizing survey of the maladies of secular civilization: AIDS.

Start with some references from the pillars of Judaism on the subject of sodomy.
(Note: the transgression of "Mishkav Zachor" ( = Sodomy) is perpetrated in the form of penetration of one male's sexual organ inside the rectum of another male):

What Does The Torah Say


A Deviation
Sodomy is a deviation. Normal people do not behave that way.

A society which endorses that behavior; uses the media to brainwash the masses to consider it as legitimate; combined with an all-out attack on the senses with promiscuous messages - is prone to lead to loosening of inhibitions, which eventually leads people to try and reach more and more sensual highs. Thus, enlarging the percentage of otherwise straight persons, who are joining the sodomizer circles.

People who have a born inclination (if there is one) to such a deviation should be encouraged to a psychological treatment, that will lead them to behave normal, like all deviations should be treated in a normal society.


Sodomy - The Source Of Aids
Besides being a moral abomination, sodomy is responsible for the spread of the Aids epidemic:

1. The decease was discovered in 1981 in the US.

2. When first identifying the virus in Paris in 1983, the frequency among over-all homosexual population was 10-15%, none in practical percentage in heterosexual population.

3. Today, 90% of the HIV's and active Aids sick are in the third world. 80% of the recorded active Aids sick are in western countries.

4. 55% of the Aids to day is in homosexuals, 25% in drug addicts, 5% hemophilia patients, 5% infected by blood transfusion, 5% heterosexuals, 5% unknown.

5. Scientist explain the phenomenon of the divergence reaction among different populations in the world to the disease, in the existence of different HIV subtypes. HIV sub-type B is, they say, the active one in the US. This one is being activated by blood contact (while others, in Africa for example, react to heterosexual sex). That's their explanation the spread of Aids mainly among homosexuals in the western world - the traumatic nature of homosexual sex accompanied by bloody fractures, in contrast to the milder heterosexual intercourse.

6. The fact is (be it because of poor medical system with no efficient registration) that also to day, 80% of recorded active AIDS sick are in western countries.

The source of the above facts, is Dr. Mayan, head of the Aids clinic in Hadasa hospital, Jerusalem.

the above is more than a sufficient proof that:

* Sodomizers are responsible for the spread of Aids in western countries.

* That sodomy sexual activity is still the main menace to world's health.

* That, beside using condoms - which is a first aid resort - the best defense against AIDS is changing behavioral patterns.


The Origins of AIDS
"The story of the detective hunt for the cause of AIDS is told by Randy Shilts in the best-selling book "And the Band Played On." (In 1994, Shilts, at the age of 42, became a casualty of the disease himself.)...

In the U.S., the first AIDS or AIDS-like death that we know for sure was also associated with HIV infection was that of a 17 year-old possibly homosexual male, who died of strange opportunistic infections in 1968, and whose preserved tissues also proved to be harboring HIV genetic material on testing decades later. This early AIDS-sufferer had never been out of the country, showing that the virus was already active in the Western Hemisphere in 1968.

Why, then, was the U.S. first hit with an AIDS epidemic only in the 1980s, with HIV infection quickly rising to 50% in some risk-groups? The answer may be that it was not the simple presence of HIV virus in the United States that changed; rather it was the social milieu.

beginning around 1969 (the date of the New York City "Stonewall" riots), homosexuals in the U.S. began to take open political power, and concomitantly one faction of male homosexuals began to engage in the high-infection risk "bathhouse lifestyle" chronicled by Shilts. In addition, the American homosexual- male community was apparently many times re-infected by many world-traveling disease "vectors" from other countries in the 1970s, including an airline steward named Dugas (described in Shilts as the C.D.C. "patient zero") who traveled widely in Europe, Canada, and the U.S., died of AIDS, and is known to have had sex with no less than 40 of the first 248 Americans to be diagnosed with AIDS by April, 1982...

What happened in the late 1970s in the U.S. is that when a large enough fraction of the American homosexual-male population became infected with HIV, the U.S. blood supply, maintained with volunteer donations only, finally became contaminated with the virus. (This started in 1978, as we know from later testing of archived serum samples taken from homosexual men originally for hepatitis B studies).

The dates are not coincidental--crossover between initial HIV infected groups occurred as some homosexual men experimented with IV drugs in the late 1970s, and male IV drug users in large cities turned to homosexual prostitution in order to obtain drugs...

The small incidence of AIDS in the American homosexual- male and IV drug-user communities before the late 1970s in no way subtracts from the reality of the dramatic increase in AIDS which took place in the early 1980s on the heels of exploding HIV infection rates in these groups...

Historically, what happened in the U.S. in 1981 was that in increasing numbers homosexual men began coming to physicians with very, very low CD4+ lymphocyte blood counts (but not lowered counts for other subtypes of lymphocytes), a destroyed immune system with lymphatic tissue destruction, opportunistic infections, and Kaposi's sarcoma. No one who had treated diseases in the male homosexual community could remember having seen anything remotely like what had began happening on an increasingly large scale in the early 1980s...

It was in the Summer of 1981 that alert physicians brought to the attention of the C.D.C. a mini-epidemic of immunodeficiency and pneumonia caused by unusual organisms (a fungus called Pneumocystis carinii, and a virus called CMV) in homosexual men in Los Angeles...

investigators found that of the first 19 cases of AIDS reported in Los Angeles, nine had direct or indirect (one intermediate partner) sexual contact with a single French-Canadian airline steward (previously mentioned), a man who was also sick with immunodeficiency...

By 1983, the C.D.C. was sure it had a new infectious disease on its hands... it was found that blood products AIDS patients had received had more often come from people who themselves were at "high-risk" for AIDS due to promiscuous male homosexual behavior...

The remarkable fact--from which there was no escape--was that AIDS in a transfusion recipient predicted the lifestyle of a blood- donor he or she had never met (a donor which generally turned out to be a promiscuous homosexual man who had thought himself to be perfectly healthy)...

it now seems likely from many studies that sexual transmission of HIV often requires mucosal tissue trauma, which is much more likely with anal intercourse, and/or a concomitant inflammation or ulcer from a second sexually transmitted disease. Because transmission may be inefficient even so, promiscuity also greatly enhances the chance of HIV spread. These requirement(s) for efficient HIV sexual transfer easily explain the difference between spread of HIV in tropical Africa vs. the developed countries.

They also adequately explain why a disease which spreads well sexually only in populations with an extreme level of both promiscuity and rectal mucosal trauma (i.e., one sub-segment of American homosexual men) has not yet become a generally spreading sexually-transmitted disease epidemic in the U.S."

Skeptic, vol. 3, no. 2, 1995, pp. 42-58.


The Statistics
Cases Among All Reported U.S.

Transmission Category*--------------AIDS Cases(%)

Injection drug use-----------------------24

Men who have sex with men----------------55

Men who have sex with men
and inject drugs--------------------------6

Heterosexual contact----------------------7

*Percentages do not add up to 100% because some transmission categories have been omitted.

Source: CDC National AIDS Clearinghouse
October 1993

The facts clealry demonstrate that:

1. AIDS was introduced by the homosexual community.

2. It is a new disease, not known before.

3. It was spread due to promiscuous behavior.

4. The correlation between the sexual homosexual habits and the spread of AIDS - is obvious.

5. That correlation is more striking than the one between smoking and lung cancer.

6. In order to protect itself, society must fight sodomy; If legally banning is not possible, then at least stop promoting and legitimizing it socially.

[Giancarlo]

More bullshit.

Specially this: " 55% of the Aids to day is in homosexuals"

Nearly all cases in Africa is in straight men and women.

[McBp_2003]

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More bullshit.

Specially this: " 55% of the Aids to day is in homosexuals"

Nearly all cases in Africa is in straight men and women.


If he was intrested in facts he would've looked them up rather than make them up.

[Giancarlo]

If he was intrested in facts he would've looked them up rather than make them up.


IRI interested in facts? That'll be the day. ;)

[I-RIGHT-I]

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More bullshit.

Specially this: " 55% of the Aids to day is in homosexuals"

Nearly all cases in Africa is in straight men and women.


Who cares about Africa? These are the Center for Disease Control and other government agencies in the West. The African are well....Africans. They'd just as soon screw a monkey as anything. Kinda like most of the queers in the USA and Europe. It's all about getting off and that's all it's about. "The Cult of the Penis".

And don't forget. Just like the Africans in the USA are a minority and commit most of the crime, the Homosexuals are a TINY minority at 2% and represent more than half of the AIDS carriers. Now, I wonder how that could be? Must be the Christians fault for making those boys poke each other in the ass, right?

[Giancarlo]

Who cares about Africa? These are the Center for Disease Control and other government agencies in the West. The African are well....Africans. They'd just as soon screw a monkey as anything. Kinda like most of the queers in the USA and Europe. It's all about getting off and that's all it's about. "The Cult of the Penis".

And don't forget. Just like the Africans in the USA are a minority and commit most of the crime, the Homosexuals are a TINY minority at 2% and represent more than half of the AIDS carriers. Now, I wonder how that could be? Must be the Christians fault for making those boys poke each other in the ass, right?




Idiot. AIDs doesn't affect any specific group. It doesn't infect only gay people but actually moreso straight people. Secondly, the fastest growing segment of AIDs is in the straight women.

The GLBT population is actually closer to 10%.

[kathleen]

What's GAIDS? ???

[I-RIGHT-I]

If he was intrested in facts he would've looked them up rather than make them up.


I think G is going to priss right uip to you and give you a great big wet kiss for that Gumby. It seems you two have more in common than a couple of dog pictures eh?

[McBp_2003]

What's GAIDS? ???


Probably a reference to Gay people being inflicted with Aids moreso than anyone else, using the statistics put up by I-R-I of course.

[Giancarlo]

I think G is going to priss right uip to you and give you a great big wet kiss for that Gumby. It seems you two have more in common than a couple of dog pictures eh?


You are disgusting. Go jerk off to more porn, you closet homosexual.

[kathleen]

Who cares about Africa?

We all should, unless there is a way of isolating that continent from the rest of the world.

Whatever happens there is going to spread elsewhere.

Globally, 4 out of 5 people affected with AIDS lives in Africa. Unless you are willing to argue that the people of the continent are almost all "sodomites", your arguement doesn't wash.

[McBp_2003]

I think G is going to priss right uip to you and give you a great big wet kiss for that Gumby. It seems you two have more in common than a couple of dog pictures eh?


Well if thinking your full of Bullshit gets a kiss from GC then just about everyone in this forum is going to get one.

[Giancarlo]

Well if thinking your full of Bullshit gets a kiss from GC then just about everyone in this forum is going to get one.


LOL... ;) Umm.. women.. well.. on the cheeks I guess. ;)

[I-RIGHT-I]

What's GAIDS? ???


This is GAIDS, originally known as GRID (gay-related immune deficiency or Gay Cancer. Now is HIV/AIDS or just GAIDS for short.) Without the loving kindness the Left has shown to these losers we'd not have an AIDS pandemic.


1981, June
The federal Centers for Disease Control (CDC) reports the first cases of the illness that will be known as AIDS.

July
A New York Times article announces a "Rare Cancer Seen in Homosexuals."

August
Alarmed by the report, 80 men gather in New York writer Larry Kramer's apartment to hear a doctor speak about "gay cancer.'

October
The CDC declares the new disease an epidemic.

1981, December 31
152 cases of the mysterious new disease have been reported in the U.S.

1982, January
Six gay men -- Nathan Fain, Larry Kramer, Larry Mass, Paul Popham, Paul Rapoport and Edmund White -- meet in Kramer's apartment in January and officially name themselves Gay Men's Health Crisis.

September
The illness doctors are calling GRID (gay-related immune deficiency) or "gay cancer," is officially named by the CDC: acquired immunodeficiency syndrome, or AIDS.

1985, August
AIDS cases have now been reported in every populated continent in the world.

1986, October
GMHC's original client pool of gay men has expanded to include heterosexual men and women, hemophiliacs, intravenous drug users and children.

1986, December 31
37,061 AIDS cases have been reported in the U.S.; 16,301 people are dead.

1987, February
The AIDS Coalition to Unleash Power (Act Up) is founded

October
Senator Jesse Helms, "disgusted" by GMHC's Safer Sex Comix, amends a federal appropriations bill to prevent funding of AIDS education efforts that "encourage or promote homosexual sexual activity." GMHC, working with the ACLU, proceeds to litigate against the amendment.

1987, December 31
59,572 are diagnosed with AIDS in the U.S.; 27,909 people are dead.

1988, December 31
89,864 cases of AIDS have been reported in the U.S.; 46,134 people are dead.

1989, February
GMHC leads successful effort to draft and pass New York State's AIDS confidentiality bill preventing the wrongful disclosure of AIDS-related information.

1989, December 31
115,786 cases of AIDS have been reported in the U.S.; 70,313 are dead.

1990, June
Protesting immigration laws that bar HIV-infected individuals from entering the U.S.

December
In New York, AIDS deaths surpass those of the great influenza epidemic 1918, making AIDS the worst epidemic in the state's history.

1990, December 31
161,073 cases of AIDS have been diagnosed in the U.S.; 100,813 are dead.

1991, January
Tuberculosis cases in New York City are reported to have increased by 38% in a one-year period.

February
GMHC joins fight for New York City Schools' Chancellor Fernandez' HIV/AIDS initiative, including condom availability. The Board of Education approves the plan on February 28.

1991, December 31
206,392 cases of AIDS have been diagnosed in the U.S.; 132,233 are dead.

1992, July
New York State passes landmark legislation against HIV discrimination, barring mandatory testing of health care workers and requiring all insurers to offer open enrollment and community rating.

August
In protest of U.S. immigration policies that bar entrance to people with HIV, Harvard University holds the VII International Conference on AIDS in Amsterdam.

1992, December 31
Over 242,000 cases of AIDS have been reported in the U.S.; 160,000 are dead.

1993, December
San Francisco researchers warn of a second wave of HIV infections among young gay men; studies project that a majority of 20-year-old gay American men will eventually have the virus.

1993, December 31
361,509 cases of AIDS have been reported in the U.S.; 220,871 are dead.

1994, Januar
y GMHC creates "Young, Hot, Safe" safer sex subway campaign aimed at gay, lesbian and heterosexual young adults.

August
The Senate votes 63 to 36 on an amendment drafted by Senators Helms and Smith to deny funds to school districts "encouraging or supporting homosexuality as a positive lifestyle."

1994, December 31
441,528 cases of AIDS have been reported in the U.S.; over 250,000 are dead.

The above are excerpts from a GMHC document, in which they brag about their fight to "prevent" Aids.

No sane person can evade a sober evaluation of this parade of fools, without drawing the conclusions.

The secular liberal media brainwashed the masses with the wrong notion that sodomy is to be considered as a normal behavior, rather than what it realy is, namely, a deviation caused by circumstances which can be avoided when the right educative measures are taken

[arod]

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More bullshit.

Specially this: " 55% of the Aids to day is in homosexuals"

Nearly all cases in Africa is in straight men and women.


What I'm missing is any contradiction between the quote you object to and your "refutation" of it.

[NorNec]

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Idiot. AIDs doesn't affect any specific group. It doesn't infect only gay people but actually moreso straight people. Secondly, the fastest growing segment of AIDs is in the straight women.

The GLBT population is actually closer to 10%.



AIDS only affects those that are sodomites or have sex outside of wedlock.....the rest are victims of the other selfish bastards that are as bad as animals.

It's very simple ... just watch where you put your pecker. ::)

[Giancarlo]

AIDS only affects those that are sodomites or have sex outside of wedlock.....the rest are victims of the other selfish bastards that are as bad as animals.


That is utter fucking bullshit. Utter bullshit. I don't think you even deserve the dignity of being replied to you disgrace of a human being.

[NorNec]

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You are disgusting. Go jerk off to more porn, you closet homosexual.



What does an open homosexual "jerk off" to ?

[arod]

We all should, unless there is a way of isolating that continent from the rest of the world.

How about requiring AIDS testing for immigrants?

[McBp_2003]

It's very simple ... just watch where you put your pecker. ::)


And make sure you're using protection.

[NorNec]

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That is utter fucking bullshit. Utter bullshit. I don't think you even deserve the dignity of being replied to you disgrace of a human being.




Fuck you you dumb queer. Name a non-sexually active person that got AIDS without the help of the other flaming blood donors.

[Giancarlo]

And make sure you're using protection.


AIDs doesn't discriminate against anybody. So protection is a must. Besides I only have sex with somebody I am committed to and in a relationship with. I only have had one relationship in my life.

[Giancarlo]

Fuck you you dumb queer. Name a non-sexually active person that got AIDS without the help of the other flaming blood donors.


No fuck you, you dumbshit. Nearly 3 out of 4 cases of AIDs in this world is in the straight population, you arrogant stupid fuck.

[NorNec]

And make sure you're using protection.



Hey Squirt. I'll pay for your condom and the hooker that has full blown aids......Will ya? come on ,,,,,,you got the protection.....

[arod]

link=board=18;threadid=4926;start=msg160269#msg160 269 date=1070305569]The GLBT population is actually closer to 10%.


That, of course, is an utterly unsubstantiated myth which has its roots in the fraudulent, agenda-driven "research" of that heralded academic champion of perversion, Alfred Kinsey.

[McBp_2003]

How about requiring AIDS testing for immigrants?



Aids can lay dormant for a while before showing up, it would only slow it down.

[Giancarlo]

That, of course, is an utterly unsubstantiated myth which has its roots in the fraudulent, agenda-driven "research" of that heralded academic champion of perversion, Alfred Kinsey.


And your own statement is unsubstantiated. Prove that I am wrong dipshit.

[NorNec]

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No fuck you, you dumbshit. Nearly 3 out of 4 cases of AIDs in this world is in the straight population, you arrogant stupid fuck.



FUCK YOU YOU DUMB SHIT! I said it is the gays and the straights without morals that are spreading this shit. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST FUCK I HAVE EVER MET..... I BET YOU HAVE GAIDS. SORRY IF I HURT YOUR FEELINGS.....

[kathleen]

How about requiring AIDS testing for immigrants?



I have nothing against that idea. But it wouldn't completely solve the problem of the spread of the disease. And would the christian God look kindly on the West if we leave the Africans to die in the dust because we think it isn't our problem?

[McBp_2003]

Hey Squirt. I'll pay for your condom and the hooker that has full blown aids......Will ya? come on ,,,,,,you got the protection.....


Hey now, my comment was in addition to what Lonestar said "Watch where you put your pecker (add in my comment)... And use protection"

[Giancarlo]

FUCK YOU YOU DUMB SHIT! I said it is the gays and the straights without morals that are spreading this shit. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST FUCK I HAVE EVER MET..... I BET YOU HAVE GAIDS. SORRY IF I HURT YOUR FEELINGS.....


Morals? You said gay people only. Never said straight people.

And secondly, I do have morals. That is why I only have had one boyfriend in my life and he was my bestfriend for four years. And considered, I had more with him than many striaght adolescence had with their girlfriends.

[kathleen]

Hey Squirt. I'll pay for your condom and the hooker that has full blown aids......Will ya? come on ,,,,,,you got the protection.....


How can the hooker (I'm assuming female) have AIDS if it is a "gay" disease the way that IRI contends?

[arod]

I have nothing against that idea. But it wouldn't completely solve the problem of the spread of the disease.

We could severely restrict immigration from that country by anyone. That would be a substantial barrier to AIDS transmission from Africans.

And would the christian God look kindly on the West if we leave the Africans to die in the dust because we think it isn't our problem?


Why wouldn't He? Why IS it our problem? Are we making them copulate, thus producing children they can't take care of?

[McBp_2003]

We could severely restrict immigration from that country by anyone.


*note Africa is a continent, not a country. Carry on.

[kathleen]

Why wouldn't He? Why IS it our problem?

So much for the good Samaritan story.

[McBp_2003]

So much for the good Samaritan story.


Add the rolling eyes and your post becomes funny.

[blurb]

I have nothing against that idea. But it wouldn't completely solve the problem of the spread of the disease. And would the christian God look kindly on the West if we leave the Africans to die in the dust because we think it isn't our problem?


Let 'em die. Everyone has to die some time, and it's too expensive to try and save them all. Only treat the one's who got it through no fault of their own (blood transfusion etc)

Let me put in terms that you should understand...

It's just the natural cycle of life and death.
Evolution in action - survival of the fittest.
It helps our world over population problem.

[kathleen]

Add the rolling eyes and your post becomes funny.


I wasn't trying to be funny. Christians who pick and choose pieces of their theology to fit their purposes (and discard the rest) aren't really christians, are they? ;)

[kathleen]

Let 'em die. Everyone has to die some time, and it's too expensive to try and save them all.

You can extend that argument to say that it is too expensive to save anyone and therefore all medical treatment should cease for everyone.

That will leave us plenty of money to kill those nasty muslims. ;)

[blurb]

We could severely restrict immigration from that country by anyone. That would be a substantial barrier to AIDS transmission from Africans....


You must have missed this from IRI's info...

"1990, June
Protesting immigration laws that bar HIV-infected individuals from entering the U.S."

"August
In protest of U.S. immigration policies that bar entrance to people with HIV, Harvard University holds the VII International Conference on AIDS in Amsterdam."

The homo's see this as some kind of civil rights issue.....fuck everyone else who can catch this shit from them....and fuck everyone who has to bear the costs of treating these people who got this shit because they couldn't control themselves.

It makes about as much sense as this...

"1989, February
GMHC leads successful effort to draft and pass New York State's AIDS confidentiality bill preventing the wrongful disclosure of AIDS-related information."

Or this....

"1992, July
New York State passes landmark legislation against HIV discrimination, barring mandatory testing of health care workers and requiring all insurers to offer open enrollment and community rating."

So do they want to stop this shit or not?

[arod]

So much for the good Samaritan story.


In that story, the victim was innocent. People who screw virgins in the hope that their AIDS will be cured are not.

Remember that while lack of charity may not be terribly Christian, neither is casting one's pearls before swine. :)

[blurb]

You can extend that argument to say that it is too expensive to save anyone and therefore all medical treatment should cease for everyone.


They're already doing it...it's called futile care theory or 'why waste the resources on this hopeless case'. If they can do this to people who got sick through no fault of their own, they can certainly apply this to people who got sick through irresponsible behavior of their free will (I would include smokers in this too BTW).


That will leave us plenty of money to kill those nasty muslims. ;)


Be my guest...watch out though, I hear that they sometimes shoot back.

[kathleen]

In that story, the victim was innocent. People who screw virgins in the hope that their AIDS will be cured are not.

There is no way you can prove that every African with AIDS has done this.

Remember that while lack of charity may not be terribly Christian, neither is casting one's pearls before swine. :)

Which "sin" would you consider worse?

The answer may be useful for the christians who need such guidance in order to determine how to live a "moral" life pleasing to God. ;)

[arod]

There is no way you can prove that every African with AIDS has done this.

Obviously. However, it is undeniable that sexual irresponsibility is the rule on the continent. Otherwise the problem would not exist to the extent that it does.

Which "sin" would you consider worse?

I don't know that one is worse than the other.

The answer may be useful for the christians who need such guidance in order to determine how to live a "moral" life pleasing to God. ;)

Anyone who would base his actions on the idea that one sin is worse than another is a fool.

[kathleen]

They're already doing it...it's called futile care theory or 'why waste the resources on this hopeless case'.

Expect more and more of this to start happening. With an aging population living longer and less taxpaying workers to pay for these retirees, it's soon to be obvious to the most thickheaded idiot that the price of medical care is increasing faster than the money set aside to pay for it.

If they can do this to people who got sick through no fault of their own, they can certainly apply this to people who got sick through irresponsible behavior of their free will (I would include smokers in this too BTW).

Don't forget those who are obese and/or eat too much (over 50% of the general population including over 30% of American children), those who drink (socially or not), those who don't exercise on a regular basis, those who get injured because of reckless driving, those who don't take proper care of their teeth which leads to cavities, those who go outside and breathe smoggy air, etc, etc............... ::)

Be my guest...watch out though, I hear that they sometimes shoot back.


It wouldn't be a war if they didn't. ;D

[kathleen]

Anyone who would base his actions on the idea that one sin is worse than another is a fool.


You couldn't possibly be thinking of anyone in particular.........

;)

Fuck you you dumb queer. Name a non-sexually active person that got AIDS without the help of the other flaming blood donors.



Praise the Lord. ;D

I see NorNec's time away from us has helped him with his Christianity. ;D

[Giancarlo]

Praise the Lord. ;D

I see NorNec's time away from us has helped him with his Christianity. ;D


I had to ask him if getting hit in the head by a two by four and suffering brain damage hurts...

[arod]

You couldn't possibly be thinking of anyone in particular.........

;)


I suppose I could be, but I'm not.

[kathleen]

Fuck you you dumb queer. Name a non-sexually active person that got AIDS without the help of the other flaming blood donors.


::)

A mother passing the virus through the placenta to her developing baby.

She couldn't have gotten pregnant if she was gay.

[kathleen]

I suppose I could be, but I'm not.


You should.

He's the person that needs this lesson.

[blurb]

Expect more and more of this to start happening. With an aging population living longer and less taxpaying workers to pay for these retirees, it's soon to be obvious to the most thickheaded idiot that the price of medical care is increasing faster than the money set aside to pay for it.


So you agree with me then that butt fuckers 'who knew the risks but did it anyway to get their rocks off', should be at the top of the list for medical rationing/removal.


Don't forget those who are obese and/or eat too much (over 50% of the general population including over 30% of American children), those who drink (socially or not), those who don't exercise on a regular basis, those who get injured because of reckless driving,


Yeah. If you should've known better, but do it anyway, why would you expect others to pay for your stupidity? If these people want to have medical insurance, at the least they should pay increased rates in relation to their increased risks.


those who don't take proper care of their teeth which leads to cavities, those who go outside and breathe smoggy air, etc, etc............... ::)


Sometimes shit happens...I wouldn't penalize people for 'normal wear and tear'.


It wouldn't be a war if they didn't. ;D


I didn't know "we" were at war with "muslims"...or is that just Canada?

[McBp_2003]

I wasn't trying to be funny. Christians who pick and choose pieces of their theology to fit their purposes (and discard the rest) aren't really christians, are they? ;)


Just add the rolling eyes.

[kathleen]

So you agree with me then that butt fuckers 'who knew the risks but did it anyway to get their rocks off', should be at the top of the list for medical rationing/removal.

Why should they be at the top? Why should anything they do be worse than any other risky behavior? If you want to catagorize the behaviors than eating too much food should be on top after smoking. The donuts and burgers and other junk people eat (and every cig smoked) will always affect their health in a negative manner. Not every homosexual act leads to the spread of AIDS.

I didn't know "we" were at war with "muslims"...or is that just Canada?


Point out one non-muslim "terrorist cell" your government has gone after.

[truelies]

Point out one non-muslim "terrorist cell" your government has gone after.



National Right to Life Committee, National Rifle Association, RJ Reynolds Corp and Colt Arms during the Clinton years. 8)

[truelies]

How can the hooker (I'm assuming female) have AIDS if it is a "gay" disease the way that IRI contends?


Exchange of infected blood is much more likely in the womans direction and many sex workers are also IV drug users.

[blurb]

Why should they be at the top? Why should anything they do be worse than any other risky behavior? If you want to catagorize the behaviors than eating too much food should be on top after smoking. The donuts and burgers and other junk people eat (and every cig smoked) will always affect their health in a negative manner. Not every homosexual act leads to the spread of AIDS.

Ahh...I didn't specify homo's did I...I said butt fuckers (although homo's is what I meant). They should be at the top because I judge them to be at higher risk of worse health consequences (more expensive treatment) and with more severe possible consequences to others (contagious desease) than the obese, and I do not like the idea that I might be paying to subsidize some lowlifes monkey fucking. I don't mind as much paying more for fat people, but that's just me <shrug>
I also mentioned the possibility of charging higher health insurance rates, based on increased risks due to chosen behavior...if this was left to the insurance companies to calculate, who do you think would be paying more?


Point out one non-muslim "terrorist cell" your government has gone after.


I could hazard a guess at at least one, and I have read insinuations in the past about state militia's being domestic terrorist groups, but I suppose they might have all been Moslems as well so I won't challenge your superior knowledge about this.
Are you saying then that "we" are indeed at war with "muslims"?

[MADG]

Ummm… has IRI cited his source (http://sami119.tripod.com/shemaisrael/)? Even though I’m keen on intellectual honesty… I may have missed it.

[MADG]

Let 'em die. Everyone has to die some time, and it's too expensive to try and save them all. Only treat the one's who got it through no fault of their own (blood transfusion etc)

Let me put in terms that you should understand...

It's just the natural cycle of life and death.
Evolution in action - survival of the fittest.
It helps our world over population problem.




I believe that there is a classical Greek term for such egalitarianism.

How do you say “hillside” in Spartan?

???

[MADG]

That, of course, is an utterly unsubstantiated myth which has its roots in the fraudulent, agenda-driven "research" of that heralded academic champion of perversion, Alfred Kinsey.




As you know, I am more than happy to discuss this.

Kinsey’s “10%” was “more-or-less exclusively homosexual for at least (lifetime) 3 years.”

If by “gay” you actually mean: open, self-described, and willing-to-admit-it-to-a-pollster “homosexuals”… then ten percent is way high.

But if by “gay” you mean: “anyone that has ever ‘tried the gay thing,’” then 10% is… ***wink, wink***… just about right….

… conservatively.


;D

[MADG]

Praise the Lord. ;D

I see NorNec's time away from us has helped him with his Christianity. ;D


It was a trick question... the answer was "unborn persons."

;)

[arod]

Kinsey’s

agenda and bias have been exposed. His data are worthless.

[Giancarlo]

agenda and bias have been exposed. His data are worthless.


And your uneducated guesses of 1-3% is worthless too.

[MADG]

agenda and bias have been exposed. His data are worthless.


But only if you have "faith"... and politics.

[MADG]

Ahh...I didn't specify homo's did I...I said butt fuckers (although homo's is what I meant).

Thank you Captain Obvious.

They should be at the top because I judge them to be at higher risk of worse health consequences (more expensive treatment) and with more severe possible consequences to others (contagious desease) than the obese, and I do not like the idea that I might be paying to subsidize some lowlifes monkey fucking[…]

Hmmm… if we compare gay male HIV infection to… oh, let’s say… ABORTION… PLUS societal support of unplanned and unwanted children… oops, I mean, “gifts from God”… you know… little bungles of joy… which is the real “crisis?”

(Less than one million US gay Aids deaths in more than twenty years… compared to one million abortions PER YEAR?!!! Yeesh… at least >>>I’m<<< not leaving a bloody trail of broken baby parts behind me…)

I also mentioned the possibility of charging higher health insurance rates, based on increased risks due to chosen behavior...

Actuary tables are blind to sexual orientation… as they should be.

[arod]

But only if you have "faith"... and politics.

On the contrary, it is faith and politics which give Kinsey's lies any value.

[McBp_2003]

agenda and bias have been exposed. His data are worthless.


IS

[blurb]

Hmmm… if we compare gay male HIV infection to… oh, let’s say… ABORTION… PLUS societal support of unplanned and unwanted children… oops, I mean, “gifts from God”… you know… little bungles of joy… which is the real “crisis?”


Abortion?....ok

Irresponsible sexual behavior....perhaps even monkey fucking...same so far....consequence equals baby....parent(s) and society says "kill the little bastard because we don't want to get stuck with the tab"....unborn babies can't scream, yell, protest or vote so....one dead baby and "problem" solved....major difference though is that the baby is completely innocent and did not "choose" anything....other major difference is that society will end up paying dearly to keep that HIV infected person alive....and for what? I'd say the same thing to the mother and father of the baby...you chose to do what you did, now take responsibilty for the results.


(Less than one million US gay Aids deaths in more than twenty years… compared to one million abortions PER YEAR?!!! Yeesh… at least >>>I’m<<< not leaving a bloody trail of broken baby parts behind me…)



So now its ONLY one million gay aids deaths?

I'm glad you're not leaving a bloody trail of broken baby parts behind you, now just don't get aids, and you'll be doing ok....and its not either/or, abortion/gay.

[MADG]

On the contrary, it is faith and politics which give Kinsey's lies any value.


Sorry, hon... it's called SCIENCE... anathema to both faith AND politics...

[MADG]

Abortion?....ok

Irresponsible sexual behavior....perhaps even monkey fucking...same so far....consequence equals baby....parent(s) and society says "kill the little bastard because we don't want to get stuck with the tab"....unborn babies can't scream, yell, protest or vote so....one dead baby and "problem" solved....major difference though is that the baby is completely innocent and did not "choose" anything....other major difference is that society will end up paying dearly to keep that HIV infected person alive....and for what? I'd say the same thing to the mother and father of the baby...you chose to do what you did, now take responsibilty for the results.
So now its ONLY one million gay aids deaths?

In the US? No… I said “less than”… in the past twenty-plus years… which means that abortions and unwanted offspring outpace “gay” problems by about AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE… (don’t even get me started on divorce…)

… which should make you wonder why so many try to blow "gay rights" out of proportion… try to make it an “election issue”… question their motives.

Unrestricted yet state-sanctioned opposite-gender interactions… at least ten times more abuse, rape, poverty, and death…

Unrestricted yet state-sanctioned SAME-gender interactions… at least ten times more… ummm… uhhh… suburban homes and poodles?

I'm glad you're not leaving a bloody trail of broken baby parts behind you, now just don't get aids, and you'll be doing ok....and its not either/or, abortion/gay.

Although I appreciate your goodwill… don’t friggin lecture me. Instead, HELP me advocate RESPONSIBLE… and realistic… adult interactions.

“Abstinence only until marriage” covers only a fraction of the population (notably excluding gay folks... for now)… and “fidelity AFTER marriage” covers an even smaller fraction…

I am NOT the problem here…

[arod]

IS


Actually, "data" is the plural of "datum", even though it is common to hear "his data is..."

[arod]

Sorry, hon...

Take your girl talk and shove it, creep. Talk to me like a man, or don't talk to me at all.

it's called SCIENCE...

Uh huh. So is astrology. Just ask anybody who believes in it. :)

[McBp_2003]

Actually, "data" is the plural of "datum", even though it is common to hear "his data is..."


Insolent fool.


Let me have this one, I'm running on nothing.

[arod]

Insolent fool.


Let me have this one, I'm running on nothing.


;D

You caught me on Africa being a continent. That'll have to do for now. ;)

[blurb]

In the US? No… I said “less than”… in the past twenty-plus years… which means that abortions and unwanted offspring outpace “gay” problems by about AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE… (don’t even get me started on divorce…)

… which should make you wonder why so many try to blow "gay rights" out of proportion… try to make it an “election issue”… question their motives.

Unrestricted yet state-sanctioned opposite-gender interactions… at least ten times more abuse, rape, poverty, and death…

Unrestricted yet state-sanctioned SAME-gender interactions… at least ten times more… ummm… uhhh… suburban homes and poodles?


WTF? Some logic...there are so many bad things going on...compared to ALL these things, how can you say anything against irresponsible and stupid sexual behavior???....And a nuclear bomb was dropped on Japan, so therefore you have no basis to be concerned about murder.

"Gay rights" makes as much sense to me as "foot lickers rights", or "nose pickers rights", or "leather wearers rights".


Although I appreciate your goodwill… don’t friggin lecture me. Instead, HELP me advocate RESPONSIBLE… and realistic… adult interactions.


I don't have any goodwill for you. I don't know you or care to. I am neutral towards you. I AM helping you advocate responsibility...."If you fuck up, you will die" is about as powerful a message as you can get...if that's not enough to change someones behavior, then nothing will.

Some people were educated about HIV prevention and yet they got it anyway...because they ignored it intentionally, or couldn't control themselves...no amount of "education" will help these kinds of people.



“Abstinence only until marriage” covers only a fraction of the population (notably excluding gay folks... for now)… and “fidelity AFTER marriage” covers an even smaller fraction…


You and I have different realities. I want to keep it that way. I caught a glimpse of your reality when I lived in the SF bay area. I moved to get away from it. Do what you want with your life but keep it, and the consequences of it, away from me.

[McBp_2003]

;D

You caught me on Africa being a continent. That'll have to do for now. ;)


Oh that was you wasn't it. Ok, well I'm good til tomorrow.

[mancow]

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More bullshit.

Specially this: " 55% of the Aids to day is in homosexuals"


Exactly, it's more like 58 percent. And that's coming from a guy who supports gay rights. Bernard Goldberg in his book, Bias.

[mancow]

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That is utter fucking bullshit. Utter bullshit. I don't think you even deserve the dignity of being replied to you disgrace of a human being.


Does the word "Utter" imply a beastiality fetish by a fag which might support a theory there is a link between or at least a similarity of beastiality and homosexuality?

[mancow]

What does an open homosexual "jerk off" to ?


http://members.tripod.com/j.ronzio/859a4a40.gif
OR
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:E7aJtA1e_psC:www.joanprice.com/images/simmons.jpg

[Giancarlo]

Does the word "Utter" imply a beastiality fetish by a fag which might support a theory there is a link between or at least a similarity of beastiality and homosexuality?


No link. There is a link between you an mental retardation however.

[kathleen]

They should be at the top because I judge them to be at higher risk of worse health consequences (more expensive treatment) and with more severe possible consequences to others (contagious desease) than the obese, and I do not like the idea that I might be paying to subsidize some lowlifes monkey fucking. I don't mind as much paying more for fat people, but that's just me <shrug>

Ahhhh, so yours is an emotional argument rather than a logical one.

You are certainly right about the contagion part, but tell me, how is cutting off the medical treatment to AIDS patients going to help us slow the spread of the virus? As for the rest, it's unsupported nonsense. More expensive? Have you seen the cost of cancer treatments lately? What about the cost of a hospital stay after a heart attack or stroke? Obesity is responsible/linked to these conditions plus more - diabetes, high blood pressure, gallbladder disease, liver disorders, osteoarthritis, gout, respiratory problems, sleep apnea and reproductive difficulties. What happens with AIDS sufferers? Quite frankly, many sicken and die. After death, the cost to society is zero. What happens with the obese? Well, they can live long lives, suffer decades of progressive degeneration, causing lost productivity and more health costs.

Your assertion that AIDS wrecks a heavier economic cost to society does not stand up.

I also mentioned the possibility of charging higher health insurance rates, based on increased risks due to chosen behavior...if this was left to the insurance companies to calculate, who do you think would be paying more?

I know who will be paying more - both groups. The insurance companies have data on a whole bunch of things which help them calculate risk. Will homosexuals be looked at as a riskier group to insure? I have no doubt. Will the obese? Absolutely.

Are you saying then that "we" are indeed at war with "muslims"?


You don't think so?

Does the word "Utter" imply a beastiality fetish by a fag which might support a theory there is a link between or at least a similarity of beastiality and homosexuality?



Ah mancow, I-RIGHT-I's butt fuck, how ya been? ;D

[sinceabout]

On the contrary, it is faith and politics which give Kinsey's lies any value.


I can't believe you two are arguing a fifty year old study by a 1920's Harvard Grad who had gone from the speciation of the Gall Wasp to measuring *sexual* reactions in little kids. ::)

[blurb]

Ahhhh, so yours is an emotional argument rather than a logical one.


All of this is emotional isn't it? What is logical about spending vast amounts of money to attempt to cure some 65 year old retired person of cancer for example. If everything were strictly logical, medical treatment decisions would be based on a cost vs potential return system, or ability to pay. If you can afford it, then you get what medical treatment you want. If you want public money, then it would be based on your value to society. Someone who is young with a strong lifetime tax paying potential would be worth more medical "investment" than some barren middle aged unemployed women just for example. A highly educated skilled worker would be worth more than a high school drop out working at McDonalds. Bean counters are very good at figuring out this sort of stuff.

If everything were logical, your medical insurance costs would be based strictly on your risk factors. If you smoke, drink, are obese, or have other high risk behaviors, then you should pay more relative to the increased risk. If you eliminate the risk behavior, then you get a reduction in your costs. Do you think this would motivate people to eliminate these risk factors, and improve their health? Do you think this would be a fair system? Why should one person have to pay for another persons irresponsible behavior?


You are certainly right about the contagion part, but tell me, how is cutting off the medical treatment to AIDS patients going to help us slow the spread of the virus? As for the rest, it's unsupported nonsense. More expensive? Have you seen the cost of cancer treatments lately? What about the cost of a hospital stay after a heart attack or stroke? Obesity is responsible/linked to these conditions plus more - diabetes, high blood pressure, gallbladder disease, liver disorders, osteoarthritis, gout, respiratory problems, sleep apnea and reproductive difficulties. What happens with AIDS sufferers? Quite frankly, many sicken and die. After death, the cost to society is zero. What happens with the obese? Well, they can live long lives, suffer decades of progressive degeneration, causing lost productivity and more health costs.


Yeah...so obesity increases your risk factors, so they should pay more too (if their obesity is for other than medical reasons)... I don't want to cut them off so much as I don't want to pay for it (in the form of higher insurance premiums by included them in the same "pool" for example)


Your assertion that AIDS wrecks a heavier economic cost to society does not stand up. I know who will be paying more - both groups. The insurance companies have data on a whole bunch of things which help them calculate risk. Will homosexuals be looked at as a riskier group to insure? I have no doubt. Will the obese? Absolutely.


My assertion is that I do not want to pay for the medical treatment of people for medical conditions and deseases that result from reckless homo sexual behaviors. If they can pay for it themselves, or if you want to pay for it, then be my guest.
Your assertion is that I have no right to have my opinion and you would like to force me to pay for it anyway if you could.



You don't think so?


Answer a question with a question? I'm just interested in your perspective on this. My perspective is that [I] am not at war with the muslims, or anyone for that matter. If I was going to be at war with anybody, "muslims" would be waaaaay down my list, if at all. I certainly do not and would not support any war against "muslims".

Now your opinion? Do you think "we" are at war with "muslims"? If so...is this a war of Christians against Muslims, or a war of secular nations against a radical religion? Do you support this war against Muslims?

[mancow]

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No link. There is a link between you an mental retardation however.


Ah yes. Use the mentally retarded for an insult. How do you think this makes parents of mentally retarded children feel? This is much like Al Gore calling the religious right extra chromosome republicans.

You want praise and special rights with no insults for being a fag but you can heap insults on retarded kids. Go back to Spain you fudge packing bastard!

[Giancarlo]

Ah yes. Use the mentally retarded for an insult. How do you think this makes parents of mentally retarded children feel? This is much like Al Gore calling the religious right extra chromosome republicans.

You want praise and special rights with no insults for being a fag but you can heap insults on retarded kids. Go back to Spain you fudge packing bastard!


YOu are so messed up. Get on your knees bitch so I can fuck your brains out.

[mancow]

Ah mancow, I-RIGHT-I's butt fuck, how ya been? ;D


Are you talking to me or IRI's butt f...

If you are talking to me, then I am doing fine. Thankyou for caring.
What about you?

[blurb]

A Seattle AIDS group has published a manifesto that has stirred controversy among homosexuals because it acknowledges homosexual men must take responsibility for sexual excesses that spread the disease.

"Gay, Bisexual, and other men who have sex with men must act against the behaviors and attitudes responsible for the increased spread of these diseases. Today, one in seven Gay, Bisexual, and other men who have sex with men are infected with HIV."...

"To all Gay, Bisexual, and other men who have sex with men:

If you have multiple sex partners, use a condom for anal sex and get tested regularly for HIV and STDs.

Know your HIV and STD status, disclose your status to sex partners, and ask them to disclose theirs to you.

Challenge any sex partner who doesn't know his HIV and STD status.

In disclosing to potential sex or drug partners, give an honest, accurate HIV/STD history, including test results and how long since your last tests.

Realize that medications for HIV are expensive and damaging to a person's system-even with today's advances, HIV infection is never trivial.

If you choose to use mind-altering substances, like poppers or crystal, you risk letting down your guard-being high is not an excuse for unsafe sex.


Accept that your actions have consequences."

Manifesto (http://www.homohealth.org/taskforce/manifesto.htm)

[Giancarlo]

Blurb, there is something faulty wtih your argument. AIDs doesn't discriminate. It infects straight people too and right now the fastest growing segment of AIDs infected people are straight women. Additionally, many gay men choose to have only one partner they are committed to as myself. So learn how to read you damn idiot.

[guido]

Blurb, there is something faulty wtih your argument. AIDs doesn't discriminate. It infects straight people too and right now the fastest growing segment of AIDs infected people are straight women. Additionally, many gay men choose to have only one partner they are committed to as myself. So learn how to read you damn idiot.


I hate the term "aids doesn't discriminate"...........how could it?

The facts are, that aids is a condition carried mostly by gay people and by striaghts who are deprived of any moral discrimination in terms of their sexual activity.......most of which were infected by those men that say their gay......then change their minds.....(I know people like this, so don't tell me it's not true.) and by bisexuals.

[Giancarlo]

I hate the term "aids doesn't discriminate"...........how could it?

The facts are, that aids is a condition carried mostly by gay people and by striaghts who are deprived of any moral discrimination in terms of their sexual activity.......most of which were infected by those men that say their gay......then change their minds.....(I know people like this, so don't tell me it's not true.) and by bisexuals.


Some people think it does discriminate and only infects gay men because they are gay.

Keep in mind I am not one of those people. Anybody who chooses to have many sexual partners, gay, striaght, or bisexual, are at risk. Also somebody is either gay or not. Having gay sex does not make them gay.

[guido]

Also somebody is either gay or not. Having gay sex does not make them gay.


Tell that to the guy that changes his mind........Who should know better? Him, or you? Perhaps, you'll change your mind at some point. I remember back at Newsmax when you were struggling with whether you were or not.

[Giancarlo]

Tell that to the guy that changes his mind........Who should know better? Him, or you? Perhaps, you'll change your mind at some point. I remember back at Newsmax when you were struggling with whether you were or not.




I am sorry but somebody who is gay like me doesn't change their mind. I am gay whether I like it or not. And I knew it before I had sex with one partner.

And back at newsmax you are pretty much wrong about that, I wasn't sure if I could tell my parents or not. I had a boyfriend at the time if you wanted to know.

[guido]

And back at newsmax you are pretty much wrong about that, I wasn't sure if I could tell my parents or not. I had a boyfriend at the time if you wanted to know.


Well.......wouldn't be the first time I was wrong.......probably the second ;)

[Giancarlo]

Well.......wouldn't be the first time I was wrong.......probably the second ;)




Oh and if you were wondering my parents were cool with it.. supported me anyways. ;)

[I-RIGHT-I]

Oh and if you were wondering my parents were cool with it.. supported me anyways. ;)


They love you. But I doubt they were aware of the options they had when you were a kid to deal with it. It's not too late to check into those options yourself. I'd like to kick you in the ass.

[Giancarlo]

They love you. But I doubt they were aware of the options they had when you were a kid to deal with it. It's not too late to check into those options yourself. I'd like to kick you in the ass.


You are pathetic... the options you state are visiting witch doctors supported by the evil doctrine of Christian fundamentalists as yourself. You don't even know me so don't comment on me. You have never met me, and I doubt you would have the balls to say these things to me in real life.

[I-RIGHT-I]

You are pathetic...


I am I-RIGHT-I, you are a princess. Things can change.

[McBp_2003]

[color=Purple]I am I-RIGHT-Icolor]

And what the hell is that anyways?

[kathleen]

And what the hell is that anyways?


Something we call a closet homosexual.

[kathleen]

The facts are, that aids is a condition carried mostly by gay people and by striaghts who are deprived of any moral discrimination in terms of their sexual activity.......most of which were infected by those men that say their gay......then change their minds.....(I know people like this, so don't tell me it's not true.) and by bisexuals.


Prove it.

The truth is that we are not really certain of the epidemiological history of the disease. Just because we noticed it when it was predominantly in the gay population doesn't mean it started there.

Even if what you say is true, it's in the heterosexual population now. And there is nothing you can say and do to change that. It's not just a "gay disease" anymore.

[MADG]

From recent article: The Philippines’ war vs HIV/AIDS (http://www.mb.com.ph/news.php?art=43478&sect=9&fname=HL03120743478f.txt ) (excerpts, with emphasis)

AIDS or acquired immunodeficiency syndrome was first recognized as a disease entity in 1981 when it surfaced in the United States, mainly Los Angeles and New York, and affected a number of homosexual males. It was subsequently established that the cause of the disease is either of two viruses: HIV-1 or HIV-2 (HIV means human immunodeficiency virus). Up to now, the origin of the HIV virus is unknown, but we now know that the virus actually existed decades before it appeared in the US. A blood sample taken from a man from the Democratic Republic of Congo in 1959 tested positive for the virus. This has promoted some experts to speculate that the virus came into existence between 1926 and 1946 and that it jumped from chimpanzees to humans.

(MADG- See: Researchers trace first HIV case to 1959 in the Belgian Congo (http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9802/03/earliest.aids/).)

It is not known how many people got infected with HIV and died of AIDS prior to 1980, but current evidences suggest that by the time AIDS was noticed by the medical community in 1981, the pandemic has already spread to at least five continents (North America, South America, Europe, Africa and Australia).


In the Philippines, more than 60 percent of HIV infections have been acquired through heterosexual contact and less than 18 percent have been acquired by homosexual contact.

[I-RIGHT-I]

According to
government figures (http://www.remedios.com.ph/html/mk3q2003_cros.htm) there are 540,000 legal sex workers both male and female in the Philippines and 10,000 injecting drugs. There is no formal study or accounting of AIDS infected people and the figures cited are probably very low due to the desire to keep the international sex trade alive and "well", at least in the minds of the customers. Since all of the AIDS cases reported fall into these two groups the fact that 60% of the infected are reported to be heterosexual is meaningless. In addition there is still a great stigma attached to homosexuality in Catholic Philippines and so it's unlikely that many would be honest in answering that question.

In any event there's little doubt or debate as to the genesis of the epidemic in the USA. Irresponsible, insatiable and perverted sex between men in the homosexual community following their "liberation" is the cause of the epidemic and still the cause for the greatest number of new infections in the USA. The legal roadblocks that have been put in place to protect the identity of the infectious only can mean that the disease will continue to spread in the heterosexual community. Add to that the drug regimes that keep them alive and sexually active for years it is clear to see that homosexual activists and the Left are willing to sacrifice innocent lives in order to perpetuate their 'deathstyle' to further undermine the health of our nation.

Pointing out that HIV/AIDS is not just for homosexuals anymore in no way removes the responsibility of the homosexual community and the Liberal Left as the source and the perpetrators of the AIDS epidemic or for the innocent lives it has stolen. If anything the fact that HIV-1 has mutated to be infectious to people through heterosexual sex should be the final straw on the pile of indecencies and crimes the homosexuals have visited upon the normal people in this country. The homosexual community in the USA can thank God for the fact that most of us here are Christian, at least to the point of abstaining from murder. If that weren't the case, ironically, we would not have an AIDS epidemic. It's the fear of God that keeps the homosexual activists alive to infect the minds and bodies of this generation, not drug cocktails.

[Giancarlo]

***bullshit snipped***


HIV/AIDS overall effects the heterosexual population in the world more than the homosexual population. This is a fact as 9 out of 10 cases of AIDs in the entire world is of heterosexual people. In Africa, it is closer to 95% of the cases are in straight men and women. This is a fact as Africa has the most amount of reported AIDs cases. Sorry IRI.

[I-RIGHT-I]

Africa is of no consequence in this discussion as the average African tribesman will fuck anything. The African was probably screwing a monkey and got this disease going in the first place. This is about Western Judeo/Christian people being the victims of the Leftists and homosexuals.

[MADG]

What this is “about” has been clear from the very title… begin with a conclusion (like “blame gays for AIDS”), collect whatever tidbits support that conclusion, and ignore everything else… like history, truth, logic, and the rest of the planet.

[Giancarlo]

Africa is of no consequence in this discussion as the average African tribesman will fuck anything. The African was probably screwing a monkey and got this disease going in the first place. This is about Western Judeo/Christian people being the victims of the Leftists and homosexuals.


Africa is where AIDs came from. And it was mostly likely because Africans ate these monkeys. First off 95% of transmissions in this world are in the heterosexual population. So please don't give me this crap about victimization you arrogant prick. ::)

[I-RIGHT-I]

What this is “about” has been clear from the very title… begin with a conclusion (like “blame gays for AIDS”), collect whatever tidbits support that conclusion, and ignore everything else… like history, truth, logic, and the rest of the planet.




If there were no homo's there'd be no HIV/AIDs epidemic in the USA. Take the homosexual out of the equation and there is no base for the disease to spread from. It's pretty clear that Africa for example didn't have a problem before we did. But blame the monkey if you want to.

[MADG]

If there were no homo's there'd be no HIV/AIDs epidemic in the USA. Take the homosexual out of the equation and there is no base for the disease to spread from. It's pretty clear that Africa for example didn't have a problem before we did. But blame the monkey if you want to.


There is no way that you could possibly know what would or would not have happened. I love your stunningly illogical posts... saves me a lot of time.

[I-RIGHT-I]

There is no way that you could possibly know what would or would not have happened. I love your stunningly illogical posts... saves me a lot of time.

1982, January
Six gay men -- Nathan Fain, Larry Kramer, Larry Mass, Paul Popham, Paul Rapoport and Edmund White -- meet in Kramer's apartment in January and officially name themselves Gay Men's Health Crisis.

September
The illness doctors are calling GRID (gay-related immune deficiency) or "gay cancer," is officially named by the CDC: acquired immunodeficiency syndrome, or AIDS.

I don't blame you for being scared and trying to hold on to what's left of your self respect. I do blame you for perpetuating the lie and pushing homosexuality as valid and apparently because you self describe yourself as a Christian, a God given sexual orientation. At some level you MUST know how fucked up you really are. Get help.
Believe it or not, I don't hate you. I do hate what you represent. If you really are a Christian you must acknowledge that homosexuality isn't part of God's plan for your life. Use your head, not your heart.

[Giancarlo]

If there were no homo's there'd be no HIV/AIDs epidemic in the USA. Take the homosexual out of the equation and there is no base for the disease to spread from. It's pretty clear that Africa for example didn't have a problem before we did. But blame the monkey if you want to.


Funny how that is totally false.

[guido]

Funny how that is totally false.


Are you saying a disease that inflicted homosexuals almost exclusively until the late 80's would have still reached epidemic proportions if there were no homosexuals?

I find that hard to believe. What is your proof?

One of the pivotal events in the spread of AIDS, at least in the US, was the activity of "Patient Zero"**, Gaetan Dugas. Dugas was a Canadian flight attendant who was among the first few people to bring AIDS to the US. What made him significant was his international travel and the large number of sexual encounters he had, about 250 per year according to his own accounts. Several early cases of AIDS were attributed to him, either directly or indirectly. It also happened that Dugas was homosexual, and due to the way that networks function, the gay men that he had sex with had sex with other gay men and so on until many people were infected. If Dugas had been straight and promiscuous, it might have been a "straight disease" instead.***

[Giancarlo]

1982, January
Six gay men -- Nathan Fain, Larry Kramer, Larry Mass, Paul Popham, Paul Rapoport and Edmund White -- meet in Kramer's apartment in January and officially name themselves Gay Men's Health Crisis.

September
The illness doctors are calling GRID (gay-related immune deficiency) or "gay cancer," is officially named by the CDC: acquired immunodeficiency syndrome, or AIDS.

I don't blame you for being scared and trying to hold on to what's left of your self respect. I do blame you for perpetuating the lie and pushing homosexuality as valid and apparently because you self describe yourself as a Christian, a God given sexual orientation. At some level you MUST know how fucked up you really are. Get help.
Believe it or not, I don't hate you. I do hate what you represent. If you really are a Christian you must acknowledge that homosexuality isn't part of God's plan for your life. Use your head, not your heart.



You IRI, are a sick man. A very sick bastard.

[Giancarlo]

Are you saying a disease that inflicted homosexuals almost exclusively until the late 80's would have still reached epidemic proportions if there were no homosexuals?

I find that hard to believe. What is your proof?


I want your proof for that statement. How would you know? It could of easily spread to straight people.

homophobic bastard./

[kathleen]

If Dugas had been straight and promiscuous, it might have been a "straight disease" instead.***

Yes, of course.

He allegedly continued his activities even as he had become covered with Kaposi's Sarcoma. He would not reveal his condition until after sexual intercourse, whereupon he would turn on the lights, show his recent conquest his "gay cancer" and inform them that they now had it too. What a delightful little pixie he was. How thoughtful of these gay men to intentionally infect their lovers.

[guido]

I want your proof for that statement. How would you know? It could of easily spread to straight people.

homophobic bastard./


I ask you to prove a statement, and you ask me to prove a question I asked you?


BTW, save the insults for somebody within arms reach, Jr.

[arod]

One of the pivotal events in the spread of AIDS, at least in the US, was the activity of "Patient Zero"**, Gaetan Dugas. Dugas was a Canadian flight attendant who was among the first few people to bring AIDS to the US. What made him significant was his international travel and the large number of sexual encounters he had, about 250 per year according to his own accounts. Several early cases of AIDS were attributed to him, either directly or indirectly. It also happened that Dugas was homosexual, and due to the way that networks function, the gay men that he had sex with had sex with other gay men and so on until many people were infected. If Dugas had been straight and promiscuous, it might have been a "straight disease" instead.***




Forgot your link there, dude. (http://www.kottke.org/02/12/a-slight-twist-of-events) ;)

[guido]

If Dugas had been straight and promiscuous, it might have been a "straight disease" instead.***


If ifs and butts were candy and nuts every day would be Christmas.

Fact is, he wasn't striaght.

I want your proof for that statement. How would you know? It could of easily spread to straight people.

homophobic bastard./




I beg your pardon! You've just insulted a friend of mine with your shoot from the hip responses ... I don't care if you disagree with him or not but you owe him an apology for that stupid accusation you made.
>:(

[arod]

If ifs and butts were candy and nuts every day would be Christmas.

Fact is, he wasn't striaght.


Worse than that, many in the "gay" community are even now doing the same God damned thing.

[kathleen]

If ifs and butts were candy and nuts every day would be Christmas.

Fact is, he wasn't striaght.


So what?

The only situation in which you would be correct in calling it "a gay disease" is if it didn't affect heterosexuals. Since AIDS is not a discriminating virus (it doesn't have the intelligence to determine whether you are gay or straight ::)), it cannot honestly be considered "a gay disease" or "a gay problem" or "the gays' fault".

[arod]

So what?

The only situation in which you would be correct in calling it "a gay disease" is if it didn't affect heterosexuals. Since AIDS is not a discriminating virus (it doesn't have the intelligence to determine whether you are gay or straight ::)), it cannot honestly be considered "a gay disease" or "a gay problem" or "the gays' fault".

Strictly speaking that is correct, but of course anal sex lends itself to transmission of the disease more so than vaginal sex, and homosexuals are generally more promiscuous than heteros.

[guido]

So what?

The only situation in which you would be correct in calling it "a gay disease" is if it didn't affect heterosexuals. Since AIDS is not a discriminating virus (it doesn't have the intelligence to determine whether you are gay or straight ::)), it cannot honestly be considered "a gay disease" or "a gay problem" or "the gays' fault".


I never said it was a "gay disease"...........you seem to have a habit of putting words in my mouth tonight.

I don't see, however, how you can deny that the promiscuous behavior of the gay subculture at the onset is responsible for what it HAS turned into.

[Giancarlo]

I beg your pardon! You've just insulted a friend of mine with your shoot from the hip responses ... I don't care if you disagree with him or not but you owe him an apology for that stupid accusation you made.
>:(


NO.

So what?

The only situation in which you would be correct in calling it "a gay disease" is if it didn't affect heterosexuals. Since AIDS is not a discriminating virus (it doesn't have the intelligence to determine whether you are gay or straight ::)), it cannot honestly be considered "a gay disease" or "a gay problem" or "the gays' fault".



Well you’re right of course, actually the main problem with the spread of AIDS is people’s promiscuity, both homosexual and heterosexual but the question still remains, would it have spread as far and as deep if it didn’t first appear in the gay community?

[kathleen]

I never said it was a "gay disease"...........you seem to have a habit of putting words in my mouth tonight.

Oops, am I getting you confused with someone else? ???

Blame it on PMS. ;D

[guido]

I beg your pardon! You've just insulted a friend of mine with your shoot from the hip responses ... I don't care if you disagree with him or not but you owe him an apology for that stupid accusation you made.
>:(


Thanks, LS.......You're a stand up guy.

[kathleen]

would it have spread as far and as deep if it didn’t first appear in the gay community?


Yes.

To understand this answer, you have to understand what the virus is and what it does. :)

[guido]

Oops, am I getting you confused with someone else? ???

Blame it on PMS. ;D


I think Gian inferred something to that affect in one of my posts, because his response was that aids doesn't discriminate. Duh!

Anyway.......think nothing of it. Like I said earlier, I've made mistakes........at least two to my knowledge.

Yes.

To understand this answer, you have to understand what the virus is and what it does. :)


Do you think it would have been introduced eventually by hetrosexuals?

[arod]

NO.


Fine. It's not Guido's credibility that has been damaged here.

As for yours, I don't suppose you can damage what you don't have.

[guido]

NO.


Gian, I've never been anything but nice to you. I even started to feel comfortable enough with you to rib you every now and then. If you think I was intentionally stepping on your toes, then you take things WAY too seriously. I won't apoligize, because I meant what I said.

[arod]

Yes.

To understand this answer, you have to understand what the virus is and what it does. :)


It spreads more easily by anal inercourse than by any other means. It spreads faster among demographic groups which have 10 couplings a month than among groups which have 5 couplings a month. What more do we need to know?

NO.



Your loss pal ... like others I've tried to be nice to you but you make it pretty difficult.

[Giancarlo]

Guido, I had a change of heart. I misinterpreted what you said and I took it at heart. Yes this guy spreading the disease was gay. And? Just because he is gay does not mean the rest of us are like him. Nonetheless my behavior was out of line and I shouldn't of acted the way I did. Lonestar, you tried to be nice to me? Not to be rude, I never had that.

If ifs and butts were candy and nuts every day would be Christmas.

Fact is, he wasn't striaght.


That IS the point isn't it?

[MADG]

He allegedly continued his activities even as he had become covered with Kaposi's Sarcoma. He would not reveal his condition until after sexual intercourse, whereupon he would turn on the lights, show his recent conquest his "gay cancer" and inform them that they now had it too. What a delightful little pixie he was. How thoughtful of these gay men to intentionally infect their lovers.


You are describing a single person, not "these gay men."

[MADG]

1982, January
Six gay men -- Nathan Fain, Larry Kramer, Larry Mass, Paul Popham, Paul Rapoport and Edmund White -- meet in Kramer's apartment in January and officially name themselves Gay Men's Health Crisis.

September
The illness doctors are calling GRID (gay-related immune deficiency) or "gay cancer," is officially named by the CDC: acquired immunodeficiency syndrome, or AIDS.

I don't blame you for being scared and trying to hold on to what's left of your self respect. I do blame you for perpetuating the lie and pushing homosexuality as valid and apparently because you self describe yourself as a Christian, a God given sexual orientation. At some level you MUST know how fucked up you really are. Get help.
Believe it or not, I don't hate you. I do hate what you represent. If you really are a Christian you must acknowledge that homosexuality isn't part of God's plan for your life. Use your head, not your heart.





An interesting, appropriate, and very well stated letter:

Clichés go both ways (http://www.illinoisleader.com/letters/lettersview.asp?c=10470)

In response to the December 8 letter, "The gays I've met had abuse in their histories" (second letter), while there is no way of refuting Maureen Braun's history with gay men, I do have to admit I find it a bit hard to believe that her cousin, after a lifetime of being a religious man, would suddenly want to have HIV simply as a status symbol.

I realize that I am never going to convince anyone here, but I have met many gay men and lesbians who were not abused as children. They were not raised by a cruel mother or an absentee father. They are strong and brave people who are perpetually confounding those who try to figure out what is "wrong" with them.

It is quite amazing to assume that an entire segment of the population must have all been sexually abused or neglected in order to grow up gay.

Is there a culture in the gay community that focuses on drugs, mindless promiscuity, and shallow pleasures? Yes. That also exists in the straight community, and believe it or not, is not exactly uncommon amongst the "saved" ex-gays who do everything they can to try to deny the lie they are living.

The difference is that the gays who do want to settle down know that they will have absolutely no legal protections and that society will actually be punishing them for wanting to enter a monogamous relationship.

The so-called "moral" society refuses to grant homosexuals any route to acceptance other than damaging go-straight brainwashing, and yet they routinely chide homosexuals for not living a proper lifestyle.

This is a very hypocritical catch-22, as the constant prejudice and judgment from a majority of the straight community does absolutely nothing to induce homosexuals to want to be upstanding. Yet, many gays and lesbians are upstanding, do not do drugs and sleep around, and are in long-term relationships (20, 30, 40, 50 years). These people are not failures. They cannot be condemned with an overfamiliar Christian-based slur.

And to write them off as scarred and abused is as insulting as if all Christians were written off as bigoted zealots who care far more about feeling superior, amassing money and power, and playing mind games than about actually helping others.

James Barber
Macon, Georgia

[MADG]

Now, as to the “patient zero” myth:

In response to AIDS Without End (AUGUST 18, 1988) (http://www.nybooks.com/articles/4227)

To the Editors:

Diane Johnson and John Murray, in their discussion of the "patient zero" story in Randy Shilts' book And The Band Played On, say that epidemiologists no longer believe the story. They attribute this opinion to William Darrow in an interview with me.[1] This is not correct; the study on which the story is based was Darrow's; the opinion is mine. I do however feel that it should be his as well.

The patient zero story—in its various versions, that Gaetan Dugas, a Canadian flight assistant, "brought AIDS to" California or San Francisco or the United States—is based on a study by David Auerbach and Darrow published in 1984.[2] The study presented a "cluster" in which forty persons among the first few hundred reported with AIDS in the United States were linked together by sexual contact, self-reported or reported by "close companions," in the five years preceding onset of AIDS symptoms. Mr. Dugas (who was not identified) is placed at the center of the cluster: the inference is that he infected the persons who reported having sex with him, they infected the persons who reported having sex with them, and so on.

However, when the evidence given is examined in detail the cluster dissolves. There are nine of the forty pairs in the cluster for which the time between the alleged exposure and the onset of AIDS symptoms is given; in three of these both the alleged infector and the alleged infectee had onset of symptoms at about the same time; in six more the mean time from sexual contact to symptoms is eleven months. As we now know, the probability of clinical disease within two years of infection is extremely rare and the average time is on the order of eight to ten years: thus it is highly probable that none of these nine reported contacts was in fact responsible for the alleged transmission. No date is given for the other thirty-one contacts but they must be regarded as equally suspect.

Auerbach and Darrow constructed the supposed cluster to reflect what was then believed about the incubation period of AIDS—the time from infection to disease. As they say in the paper, based on studies of Kaposi's sarcoma in kidney transplants, it was then believed that the incubation period for AIDS was about one year. The cluster was constructed to fit this belief. The cluster is in fact a textbook example of constructing your empirical evidence to fit your theory.

The cluster is a myth. There is very little evidence that Gaetan was "patient zero" for the US or for California. There is, in particular, no reason to believe he "brought the virus to San Francisco." There were many opportunities for the virus to move from New York to San Francisco in the late 1970s: in a 1983 study[3] in which we interviewed about half of the first five hundred AIDS cases in San Francisco (i.e., most of those surviving), a third of those interviewed had had sex in New York in the late Seventies and were therefore eligible as transmitters of the virus.

Mr. Shilts, to give him credit, does not overstress Mr. Dugas' role. (But he does identify Dugas, and does not cite the Auerbach and Darrow paper.) Elsewhere, however, "patient zero" has been used extensively in marketing the book and its various spinoffs, and the story is still being used. Most recently California Magazine, which serialized the episode from the book, took a half-page advertisement in The New York Times in which it ran Mr. Dugas' photograph over text beginning: "The AIDS epidemic in America wasn't spread by a virus. It was spread by a single man…. A Canadian flight attendant named Gaetan Dugas…." This is a rather nasty phenomenon.

AIDS (the disease) is surrounded by an enormous tide of irrationality and folklore which sometimes threatens to rise up into the public health process and swamp it. It is a good idea to have as few myths floating around as possible. Mr. Shilts and Dr. Darrow should both repudiate the "patient zero" story.

Andrew R. Moss, Ph.D.
Department of Epidemiology and International Health
University of California, San Francisco

(footnotes omitted)

You are describing a single person, not "these gay men."




I included the aforementioned six gay men who alledgedly also intentionally infected others with their gay cancer. Dugas is one among many who very likely continued to engage in sexual activity knowing full well that it would infect their partners. The pathology of such behavior is not unheard of among practitioners of hetero and homosexual behaviors. Oh great picker of nits, have you got anything better than not reading the entire thread and following the conversation or do you have substantial and reliable refutation of what we've discussed here. We are all aware that you find it offensive to your sensibilities but they often say the truth hurts.

Hahaha. A researcher in homo central doesn't believe that one man brought aids here and began an epidemic through promiscuity. I suppose gay men spontaneously getting aids while heterosexuals did not is a better explanation.

[Giancarlo]

I included the aforementioned six gay men who alledgedly also intentionally infected others with their gay cancer. Dugas is one among many who very likely continued to engage in sexual activity knowing full well that it would infect their partners. The pathology of such behavior is not unheard of among practitioners of hetero and homosexual behaviors. Oh great picker of nits, have you got anything better than not reading the entire thread and following the conversation or do you have substantial and reliable refutation of what we've discussed here. We are all aware that you find it offensive to your sensibilities but they often say the truth hurts.


Not all gay men are like that. This psychological ailment happens to both gay and straight people.

And MADG did provide quite a bit of evidence. :)

Not all gay men are like that. This psychological ailment happens to both gay and straight people.

Yes dillhole, I believe I covered that with this statement: "The pathology of such behavior is not unheard of among practitioners of hetero and homosexual behaviors." I'm sorry if the big words rendered the content meaningless to you. In essence this said exactly the same thing you did...only with style and eloquence.

And MADG did provide quite a bit of evidence. :)

One source is not "quite a bit of evidence" in academic circles little boy. Run off to the schoolyard and play with the other children now. Go on. Run along ya adorable little scamp. The adults are trying to have a conversation.

[Giancarlo]

Shut up, OAG. Adults? Then could you please disregard yourself out the door. You asshole.

Shut up, OAG. Adults? Then could you please disregard yourself out the door. You asshole.


What a clever, mature response. I stand chagrinned before the awe and wonder of your wit. What a studly specimen of manhood you are. Bravo pudlicker, bravo!

[arod]

Now, as to the “patient zero” myth:

Who cares? The epidemic started with a few perverts f*cking themselves and others to death. What difference does it make who it was?

Who cares? The epidemic started with a few perverts f*cking themselves and others to death. What difference does it make who it was?


Well since nobody ever heard of it before it showed up and was already a dangerous, if minor, epidemic, it stands to reason that someone brought it here from somewhere else and did something to cause it to spread. At this juncture it IS a moot point who, how and why but to go into utter denial that it was very likely one gay man who introduced AIDS into first the gay population and then the heterosexual population by attrition is to deny the historical facts. It IS a sexually transmitted disease. The heterosexual population of Europe has been decimated by any number of those in the past so we heteros are not in a position to point fingers and claim fags are more promiscuous than hets. Everybody is fucking everybody and humans have always behaved that way to their own destruction.

The point is that the fags may as well own this one. The hets own syphillus, herpes, crabs and genital warts to name just a few.

The fact that one very pretty gay man could get around enough to cause the spread of this disease the way it spread is probably not as mythical a feat as the fags would like us to believe. Gay bath houses are a reality. Dugas' exploits were well documented a few years ago when this was all new. It is only because of the passage of time and the fact that nobody really does give a shit any more that fags can try to debunk the stories and try to relegate them to myth and try to pretend they are all single partner lovers who don't go to bath houses and fuck anything that moves up the diseased ass.

[MADG]

I included the aforementioned six gay men who alledgedly also intentionally infected others with their gay cancer. Dugas is one among many who very likely continued to engage in sexual activity knowing full well that it would infect their partners. The pathology of such behavior is not unheard of among practitioners of hetero and homosexual behaviors. Oh great picker of nits, have you got anything better than not reading the entire thread and following the conversation or do you have substantial and reliable refutation of what we've discussed here. We are all aware that you find it offensive to your sensibilities but they often say the truth hurts.


You had posted two messages, both of which referred to Dugas, when you closed with your "these gay men" comment. Whether intentional or not, the implication was obvious.

[Giancarlo]

Gay bath houses are a reality.

And so are female prostitutes and the fact that straight heterosexual men go around picking them up.

And so are female prostitutes and the fact that straight heterosexual men go around picking them up.


Very good little boy. Shall I go ahead and finish this statement of the obvious for you and point out that a majority of those prostitutes are drug users and represent an very at-risk group? That doesn't explain the fact that AIDS first showed up and spread among homos. It only helps explain how it began to move to the hetero population.

You had posted two messages, both of which referred to Dugas, when you closed with your "these gay men" comment. Whether intentional or not, the implication was obvious.

Well kudos Mr. Implication Detective on solving another case so brilliantly. If we look around we could perhaps find another hair to split.

[Giancarlo]

Very good little boy. Shall I go ahead and finish this statement of the obvious for you and point out that a majority of those prostitutes are drug users and represent an very at-risk group? That doesn't explain the fact that AIDS first showed up and spread among homos. It only helps explain how it began to move to the hetero population.


AIDs first showed up in the straight population in Africa. Dumbass.

AIDs first showed up in the straight population in Africa. Dumbass.


Have you paid ANY attention to the content of this thread? We're talking about AIDS in America. I don't give a rats ass if some epidemic sexual disease is wiping out monkey fuckers in Africa.

[MADG]

Well kudos Mr. Implication Detective on solving another case so brilliantly. If we look around we could perhaps find another hair to split.


The… ***ahem***… “irony” is that YOU are the one “picking nits.” I simply pointed out an apparent quantitative inconsistency… you’re the one turning my action into a federal case.

The… ***ahem***… “irony” is that YOU are the one “picking nits.” I simply pointed out an apparent quantitative inconsistency… you’re the one turning my action into a federal case.


Still on about it? Slow day at the bath house?