Catholic? Quaker? New Age? Jew?

[Satan]

Not sure?? Try

BELIEF-O-MATIC

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/76/story_7665_1.html

Apparently I'm a Unitarian Universalist, and didn't even know it. 8)

[wellkeptsecrets]

Mormon ~ 100% :o

I don't think so. 8)

Temple of the Flesh :o

[TROLLOP]

Islamic Orthodox Jew.
Well that clears everything up. :-\

Islamic Orthodox Jew.
Well that clears everything up. :-\


Ready for your bris? I'll bring the Mogen David.

[TROLLOP]

Ready for your bris? I'll bring the Mogen David.


I'll get back to you on that....


<Now where did I put my religion dictionary?>

I'll get back to you on that....


<Now where did I put my religion dictionary?>



Bris is a ceremony where they circumcise little Mo, put the "clippings" in the punch bowl and have at it.

[TROLLOP]

Bris is a ceremony where they circumcise little Mo, put the "clippings" in the punch bowl and have at it.


I'll pass, thankyou :o

[truelies]

The interesting thing is how much overlap there is between Faith's- at least according to this little questionaire.

A chronically constipated Pat Robertson tries to think of whom he wants God to kill next

http://www.bettybowers.com/graphics/patpray2.gif

And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

Matthew 10:21



If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.


Luke 14:26 (KJV)



For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.


Matthew 10:34

[Lazarus]

1. Hinduism (100%)
2. Eastern Orthodox (85%)
3. Roman Catholic (85%)
4. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (85%)
5. Sikhism (85%)
6. Orthodox Judaism (77%)
7. Mahayana Buddhism (73%)
8. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (67%)
9. Orthodox Quaker (67%)
10. Seventh Day Adventist (64%)
11. Theravada Buddhism (64%)
12. Jehovah's Witness (61%)
13. Neo-Pagan (59%)
14. Islam (58%)
15. Jainism (57%)
16. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (57%)
17. Unitarian Universalism (51%)
18. Bahá'í Faith (49%)
19. Reform Judaism (45%)
20. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (44%)
21. Liberal Quakers (42%)
22. Scientology (42%)
23. New Thought (37%)
24. Taoism (36%)
25. New Age (30%)
26. Nontheist (27%)
27. Secular Humanism (14%)

;D

[ilovelucy]

1. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (100%)
2. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (95%)
3. Orthodox Quaker (92%)
4. Seventh Day Adventist (91%)
5. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (88%)
6. Jehovah's Witness (88%)
7. Eastern Orthodox (88%)
8. Roman Catholic (88%)
9. Orthodox Judaism (82%)
10. Bah・・Faith (77%)
11. Liberal Quakers (67%)
12. Islam (63%)
13. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (61%)
14. Reform Judaism (60%)
15. Sikhism (54%)
16. Hinduism (53%)
17. New Thought (47%)
18. Unitarian Universalism (43%)
19. Jainism (38%)
20. Theravada Buddhism (33%)
21. Mahayana Buddhism (31%)
22. New Age (22%)
23. Scientology (20%)
24. Neo-Pagan (15%)
25. Taoism (14%)
26. Nontheist (10%)
27. Secular Humanism (5%)

[I-RIGHT-I]

Not sure?? Try

BELIEF-O-MATIC

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/76/story_7665_1.html

Apparently I'm a Unitarian Universalist, and didn't even know it. 8)


That means you'll swallow anything. No wonder the car salesmen love it when you come wandering in.

[I-RIGHT-I]

Mormon ~ 100% :o

I don't think so. 8)


Maybe not, but most definitely doctrinally challenged.

[I-RIGHT-I]

Temple of the Flesh :o


In other words, a walking talking STD bio-lab.

[I-RIGHT-I]

1. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (100%)
2. Eastern Orthodox (94%)
3. Roman Catholic (94%)
4. Seventh Day Adventist (91%)
5. Orthodox Quaker (85%)
6. Orthodox Judaism (75%)
7. Islam (72%)
8. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (69%)
9. Hinduism (64%)
10. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (60%)
11. Jehovah's Witness (60%)
12. Bahá'í Faith (48%)
13. Jainism (48%)
14. Liberal Quakers (46%)
15. Reform Judaism (43%)
16. Mahayana Buddhism (39%)
17. Unitarian Universalism (39%)
18. Sikhism (38%)
19. Theravada Buddhism (38%)
20. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (37%)
21. New Thought (32%)
22. Scientology (31%)
23. Nontheist (30%)
24. Neo-Pagan (24%)
25. New Age (23%)
26. Secular Humanism (18%)
27. Taoism (15%)

[wellkeptsecrets]

Maybe not, but most definitely doctrinally challenged.


IRI, would you elaborate on this thought for me please? I don't care for the word 'definitely' being used unless you know me personally. :)

[truelies]

IRI, would you elaborate on this thought for me please? I don't care for the word 'definitely' being used unless you know me personally. :)


Note that IRI is substancially more in agreement with islam than he is with either LDS or the JW's.

Personally I would take the LDSer or JW showing up on my front porch on a Saturday as opposed to IRI giving me his jihad flavoured version of the old 'Turn or Burn' challenge. ;)

Note that IRI is substancially more in agreement with islam than he is with either LDS or the JW's.

Personally I would take the LDSer or JW showing up on my front porch on a Saturday as opposed to IRI giving me his jihad flavoured version of the old 'Turn or Burn' challenge. ;)


The only thing that IRI believes in is the church of his own ego; he makes himself feel superior by trying to tear others down. He's really quite pathetic.

[wellkeptsecrets]

Note that IRI is substancially more in agreement with islam than he is with either LDS or the JW's.

Personally I would take the LDSer or JW showing up on my front porch on a Saturday as opposed to IRI giving me his jihad flavoured version of the old 'Turn or Burn' challenge. ;)


Just for the heck of it I retook the little quiz. Seems IRI and I are both 100% Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant. Will wonders never cease!!! ;D


1. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (100%)
2. Eastern Orthodox (91%)
3. Roman Catholic (91%)
4. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (90%)
5. Seventh Day Adventist (90%)
6. Orthodox Judaism (89%)
7. Orthodox Quaker (84%)
8. Islam (80%)
9. Jehovah's Witness (71%)
10. Sikhism (71%)
11. Hinduism (57%)
12. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (52%)
13. Reform Judaism (51%)
14. Bahá'í Faith (50%)
15. Jainism (42%)
16. Liberal Quakers (37%)
17. Mahayana Buddhism (31%)
18. Theravada Buddhism (31%)
19. Unitarian Universalism (28%)
20. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (25%)
21. Nontheist (24%)
22. Scientology (24%)
23. Neo-Pagan (23%)
24. New Thought (17%)
25. New Age (14%)
26. Taoism (13%)
27. Secular Humanism (10%)

[truelies]

1. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (100%)
2. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (91%)
3. Orthodox Quaker (82%)
4. Hinduism (80%)
5. Orthodox Judaism (79%)
6. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (78%)
7. Eastern Orthodox (74%)
8. Roman Catholic (74%)
9. Islam (71%)
10. Jehovah's Witness (68%)
11. Mahayana Buddhism (63%)
12. Seventh Day Adventist (62%)
13. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (61%)
14. Reform Judaism (61%)
15. New Thought (60%)
16. Liberal Quakers (59%)
17. Unitarian Universalism (58%)
18. Theravada Buddhism (56%)
19. Bahá'í Faith (56%)
20. Sikhism (56%)
21. Jainism (54%)
22. Scientology (51%)
23. New Age (49%)
24. Neo-Pagan (46%)
25. Taoism (33%)
26. Nontheist (28%)
27. Secular Humanism (25%)

Again it is somewhat amazing how much overlap there is between various belief systems.

1. Neo-Pagan (100%)
2. Mahayana Buddhism (81%)
3. Orthodox Judaism (81%)
4. Hinduism (78%)
5. Jainism (78%)
6. Scientology (78%)
7. Sikhism (78%)
8. Reform Judaism (77%)
9. New Thought (76%)
10. Bahá'í Faith (74%)
11. Unitarian Universalism (73%)
12. Islam (72%)
13. New Age (69%)
14. Liberal Quakers (68%)
15. Theravada Buddhism (56%)
16. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (53%)
17. Nontheist (51%)
18. Taoism (51%)
19. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (51%)
20. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (45%)
21. Secular Humanism (45%)
22. Eastern Orthodox (42%)
23. Roman Catholic (42%)
24. Orthodox Quaker (31%)
25. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (29%)
26. Seventh Day Adventist (17%)
27. Jehovah's Witness (12%)

Big surprise.

[Lazarus]

1. Hinduism (100%)
2. Eastern Orthodox (85%)
3. Roman Catholic (85%)
4. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (85%)
5. Sikhism (85%)
6. Orthodox Judaism (77%)
7. Mahayana Buddhism (73%)
8. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (67%)
9. Orthodox Quaker (67%)
10. Seventh Day Adventist (64%)
11. Theravada Buddhism (64%)
12. Jehovah's Witness (61%)
13. Neo-Pagan (59%)
14. Islam (58%)
15. Jainism (57%)
16. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (57%)
17. Unitarian Universalism (51%)
18. Bahá'í Faith (49%)
19. Reform Judaism (45%)
20. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (44%)
21. Liberal Quakers (42%)
22. Scientology (42%)
23. New Thought (37%)
24. Taoism (36%)
25. New Age (30%)
26. Nontheist (27%)
27. Secular Humanism (14%)

;D


Well, Lazarus, it seems like the second time you took the test, it came out more like what you might have expected:


1. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (100%)
2. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (92%)
3. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (90%)
4. Sikhism (89%)
5. Orthodox Quaker (88%)
6. Jehovah's Witness (87%)
7. Eastern Orthodox (86%)
8. Roman Catholic (86%)
9. Orthodox Judaism (85%)
10. Bahá'í Faith (83%)
11. Seventh Day Adventist (76%)
12. Islam (73%)
13. Hinduism (70%)
14. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (67%)
15. Theravada Buddhism (66%)
16. Liberal Quakers (65%)
17. Mahayana Buddhism (65%)
18. Reform Judaism (64%)
19. Jainism (58%)
20. Unitarian Universalism (52%)
21. Neo-Pagan (45%)
22. New Thought (43%)
23. Scientology (42%)
24. Taoism (35%)
25. New Age (35%)
26. Nontheist (22%)
27. Secular Humanism (20%)


;D ;D ;D

[I-RIGHT-I]

Just for the heck of it I retook the little quiz. Seems IRI and I are both 100% Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant. Will wonders never cease!!! ;D


1. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (100%)
2. Eastern Orthodox (91%)
3. Roman Catholic (91%)
4. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (90%)
5. Seventh Day Adventist (90%)
6. Orthodox Judaism (89%)
7. Orthodox Quaker (84%)
8. Islam (80%)
9. Jehovah's Witness (71%)
10. Sikhism (71%)
11. Hinduism (57%)
12. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (52%)
13. Reform Judaism (51%)
14. Bahá'í Faith (50%)
15. Jainism (42%)
16. Liberal Quakers (37%)
17. Mahayana Buddhism (31%)
18. Theravada Buddhism (31%)
19. Unitarian Universalism (28%)
20. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (25%)
21. Nontheist (24%)
22. Scientology (24%)
23. Neo-Pagan (23%)
24. New Thought (17%)
25. New Age (14%)
26. Taoism (13%)
27. Secular Humanism (10%)





Your LDS quotient is still very high indicating some dissent or misunderstanding of the orthatdox Christian view of God and Christ. That was what I was referring to before. It's also interesting that your Mainline to Liberal Protestant number is so low. That indicates to me that the test is screwed up or you fudged somehow.

[I-RIGHT-I]

Note that IRI is substancially more in agreement with islam than he is with either LDS or the JW's.

What that means is that the concept of God in Islam is closer to that of Christianity than LDS or the JWs.

Personally I would take the LDSer or JW showing up on my front porch on a Saturday as opposed to IRI giving me his jihad flavoured version of the old 'Turn or Burn' challenge. ;)

If I show up on your porch it's going to be to liberate some of your beer.

[wellkeptsecrets]

Your LDS quotient is still very high indicating some dissent or misunderstanding of the orthatdox Christian view of God and Christ. That was what I was referring to before. It's also interesting that your Mainline to Liberal Protestant number is so low. That indicates to me that the test is screwed up or you fudged somehow.


What it means to me is that I don't care what the test results show. It is not a very good barometer of my relationship with God. I take these tests for entertainment purposes only. My walk with the Lord certainly can't be ascertained by some test on the internet. 8)

[I-RIGHT-I]

What it means to me is that I don't care what the test results show. It is not a very good barometer of my relationship with God. I take these tests for entertainment purposes only. My walk with the Lord certainly can't be ascertained by some test on the internet. 8)


You care or you wouldn't have axed what I meant. I'd also offer that your walk or my walk starts with knowing who it is you're walking with. There's a lot of people out there walking around by themselves and don't know it. The Mormon thing is problematic because to get those kinds of numbers you had to answer a few questions wrong. You do believe there's such a thing as a wrong answer don't you?

What it means to me is that I don't care what the test results show. It is not a very good barometer of my relationship with God. I take these tests for entertainment purposes only. My walk with the Lord certainly can't be ascertained by some test on the internet. 8)


In the end that's what it's all about, your personal relationship with God and is only between you and God.

If I show up on your porch it's going to be to liberate some of your beer.


What kind do you like? I'll be sure to keep some on hand, just in case you ever get brave enough to find me. Truth be told, I'd actually not mind sitting down and talking to you without you feeling the pressure to perform some macho-macho-man. self-righteous act for everyone here.

[I-RIGHT-I]

In the end that's what it's all about, your personal relationship with God and is only between you and God.


Yeah? Which one? You realize of course that there can only be one correct answer to that. Otherwise, God by definition, isn't God.

Yeah? Which one? You realize of course that there can only be one correct answer to that. Otherwise, God by definition, isn't God.


God, the answer is simply God.

Thou art God!

[I-RIGHT-I]

What kind do you like? I'll be sure to keep some on hand, just in case you ever get brave enough to find me. Truth be told, I'd actually not mind sitting down and talking to you without you feeling the pressure to perform some macho-macho-man. self-righteous act for everyone here.


It always starts out like this. First the challenge then the offer of polite conversation over a cold beer. This is how I get in trouble....anything that's not a lite.

It always starts out like this. First the challenge then the offer of polite conversation over a cold beer. This is how I get in trouble....anything that's not a lite.


If I can see through it I don't allow it in my house; as for Lite, I don't like bottled water. BTW, no worries, I don't find you attractive at all.

[I-RIGHT-I]

God, the answer is simply God.

Thou art God!


I'm familiar with the concept. It was first introduced in the Garden when the serpent told Eve she would become like God. I sure wish you girls would get your shit together and quit getting us tossed out on our butts.

I'm familiar with the concept. It was first introduced in the Garden when the serpent told Eve she would become like God. I sure wish you girls would get your shit together and quit getting us tossed out on our butts.


Sorry sweetie, not my mythology, besides if Adam had any cajones he would have refused.

[wellkeptsecrets]

You care or you wouldn't have axed what I meant. I'd also offer that your walk or my walk starts with knowing who it is you're walking with. There's a lot of people out there walking around by themselves and don't know it. The Mormon thing is problematic because to get those kinds of numbers you had to answer a few questions wrong. You do believe there's such a thing as a wrong answer don't you?


I know who I walk with IRI. He is the great 'I AM'. Who do you walk with? Why do you concern yourself with my test scores? They mean nothing to me. I am secure in knowing Jesus is my Lord and saviour. Who is Jesus to you IRI?

[McBp_2003]

Well this is how I scored

1. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (100%)
2. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (97%)
3. Bahá'í Faith (91%)
4. Orthodox Judaism (90%)
5. Nontheist (86%)
6. Theravada Buddhism (85%)
7. Islam (82%)
8. Unitarian Universalism (80%)
9. Liberal Quakers (79%)
10. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (78%)
11. Jehovah's Witness (78%)
12. Mahayana Buddhism (77%)
13. New Thought (73%)
14. Eastern Orthodox (72%)
15. Roman Catholic (72%)
16. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (71%)
17. Jainism (69%)
18. Neo-Pagan (68%)
19. Hinduism (64%)
20. Reform Judaism (61%)
21. Seventh Day Adventist (59%)
22. Secular Humanism (58%)
23. Scientology (53%)
24. Sikhism (51%)
25. New Age (50%)
26. Taoism (46%)
27. Orthodox Quaker (40%)

That indicates to me that the test is screwed up or you fudged somehow.


What a dork.

[wellkeptsecrets]

What a dork.


OAGre, you know he might have a point. ;D

[I-RIGHT-I]

In retrospect:



Mormon ~ 100% :o

I don't think so. 8)


What's in a label. If you think like a Mormon you might as well join the club. This was your first clue there is a problem.


What it means to me is that I don't care what the test results show. It is not a very good barometer of my relationship with God. I take these tests for entertainment purposes only. My walk with the Lord certainly can't be ascertained by some test on the internet. 8)


I never questioned your walk, did I? I wondered how you could score so high in the Mormon category and be an orthodox believer. The question wasn't meant to be an insult it was just a question and one you should ask yourself if you are serious about your walk. You might think the test was stupid and entertainment but it was actually pretty accurate in defining and I believe gauging the various theological tenets. If you really answered the questions to the best of your knowledge and scored that high on the Mormon scale you have a problem whether you believe it or not. Sorry about that.


I know who I walk with IRI. He is the great 'I AM'. Who do you walk with? Why do you concern yourself with my test scores? They mean nothing to me. I am secure in knowing Jesus is my Lord and saviour. Who is Jesus to you IRI?


That's what they all say. The Liberals who don't think Jesus is divine, born of a virgin, died and was raised bodily from the dead and performed no miracles still believe they walk with the Lord. Unfortunately the lord they are walking with never existed and certainly isn't the One who will be the judge. See "The Jesus Seminar" for the walking dead Liberal view of Jesus and everything you need to believe in order to be thrown into outer darkness, here and now, and at the end of the road. And spare me the righteous indignation, I'm not judging or saying you believe like a Liberal, I'm just pointing out a few facts. My personal view of the plan and purpose of God, the nature of God and the Incarnation are totally fundamentalist orthodox and Protestant. That would be closer to Romanism and Eastern Orthodox than Liberal Protestants and miles away from Mormonism, JW's and the rest of the christian cults.


OAGre, you know he might have a point. ;D


Thought so. No skin off my butt if you'd rather act indignant and play games than to learn something.

[LanceALott]

Lizz: Thou art God!

LaL: Yes, I AM!

Thank you for recognizing me!

You shall have many stars in your crown in Heaven, and that's where you are going, pagan, to Heaven.

[I-RIGHT-I]

Lizz: Thou art God!

LaL: Yes, I AM!

Thank you for recognizing me!

You shall have many stars in your crown in Heaven, and that's where you are going, pagan, to Heaven.



Yea, thou art thy own God and Idol of an idiot-worshipper!
Thou odiferous shard-borne lewdster, villainous abominable misleader of youth! I throw thy name against the bruising stones, thou rank unwash'd bum-bailey! Go, ye giddy goose, thou art a man of wax.

Yea, thou art thy own God and Idol of an idiot-worshipper!
Thou odiferous shard-borne lewdster, villainous abominable misleader of youth! I throw thy name against the bruising stones, thou rank unwash'd bum-bailey! Go, ye giddy goose, thou art a man of wax.



Brevity, my dear, is a virtue.

You could have said the same thing by saying "LAL thou art a foul, vomitous mass of worm meat."

[I-RIGHT-I]

Lizz: Thou art God!

LaL: Yes, I AM!

Thank you for recognizing me!

You shall have many stars in your crown in Heaven, and that's where you are going, pagan, to Heaven.


Thou cockered sheep-biting hedge-pig! ;D

Thou cockered sheep-biting hedge-pig! ;D


That's better but generally speaking dear, insulting yourself is not the idea.

[I-RIGHT-I]

That's better but generally speaking dear, insulting yourself is not the idea.


Your bum is the greatest thing about you; so that in the beastliest sense, you are Pompey the Great, thou bawdy dizzy-eyed death-token!

Your bum is the greatest thing about you; so that in the beastliest sense, you are Pompey the Great, thou bawdy dizzy-eyed death-token!




Actualy my ass is one of the best parts of me, physically speaking. Comments most often made about me "She's built the way women are supposed to be built", "Skinny women are gross, I'm a carnivore; I like to have meat on my bone. Now that Lizzie, you can sink your teeth right into", and the winner is "Wow! What beautiful sparkly eyes she has."

Actualy my ass is one of the best parts of me, physically speaking. Comments most often made about me "She's built the way women are supposed to be built", "Skinny women are gross, I'm a carnivore; I like to have meat on my bone. Now that Lizzie, you can sink your teeth right into", and the winner is "Wow! What beautiful sparkly eyes she has."


I think your most attractive trait is your shyness and total lack of self-confidence.

[tileman]

I came up Bahi last time.....Interesting, .. to me anyway... ;D, how I don't fit into any religious, or political catagory. I think it would be scary being a peg that fit....

ps Hate to tell ya CG but your momma dresses you funny....that or you're color blind.... :P

[wellkeptsecrets]

In retrospect:What's in a label. If you think like a Mormon you might as well join the club. This was your first clue there is a problem.I never questioned your walk, did I? I wondered how you could score so high in the Mormon category and be an orthodox believer. The question wasn't meant to be an insult it was just a question and one you should ask yourself if you are serious about your walk. You might think the test was stupid and entertainment but it was actually pretty accurate in defining and I believe gauging the various theological tenets. If you really answered the questions to the best of your knowledge and scored that high on the Mormon scale you have a problem whether you believe it or not. Sorry about that. That's what they all say. The Liberals who don't think Jesus is divine, born of a virgin, died and was raised bodily from the dead and performed no miracles still believe they walk with the Lord. Unfortunately the lord they are walking with never existed and certainly isn't the One who will be the judge. See "The Jesus Seminar" for the walking dead Liberal view of Jesus and everything you need to believe in order to be thrown into outer darkness, here and now, and at the end of the road. And spare me the righteous indignation, I'm not judging or saying you believe like a Liberal, I'm just pointing out a few facts. My personal view of the plan and purpose of God, the nature of God and the Incarnation are totally fundamentalist orthodox and Protestant. That would be closer to Romanism and Eastern Orthodox than Liberal Protestants and miles away from Mormonism, JW's and the rest of the christian cults. Thought so. No skin off my butt if you'd rather act indignant and play games than to learn something.




I wasn't being indignant IRI. I have actually been trying to understand what you are about. I don't feel I have to justify my beliefs to you or anyone else on this board. And I have not been playing games with you. I'd still like an answer to my question.... Who is Jesus to you?

[I-RIGHT-I]

I'd still like an answer to my question.... Who is Jesus to you?


Eternal God Creator Savior..and much more.

[LanceALott]

quote LaL: You shall have many stars in your crown in Heaven, and that's where you are going, pagan, to Heaven.




IRI: Yea, thou art thy own God and Idol of an idiot-worshipper!
Thou odiferous shard-borne lewdster, villainous abominable misleader of youth! I throw thy name against the bruising stones, thou rank unwash'd bum-bailey! Go, ye giddy goose, thou art a man of wax.

LaL: Jeez, apparently you missed my subtle humor?

Lizz is a pagan who wants to spend eternity with her fellow pagans and demons, I suppose in Hell; BUT FOR HER REWARD I SENTENCED HER TO HEAVEN!

And BTW, I do not worship the Idiot = Dubya!

Eternal God Creator Savior..and much more.


How is that possible? How can God be "more" than everything?

[I-RIGHT-I]

How is that possible? How can God be "more" than everything?


Not being a theoretical mathematician I'm not prepared to discuss the concept of infinity. The question was what Jesus means to me. It's what I wrote and much more. But I'm told and believe that we really only have the dimmest view of who Christ is and what He really will mean.

Not being a theoretical mathematician I'm not prepared to discuss the concept of infinity. The question was what Jesus means to me. It's what I wrote and much more. But I'm told and believe that we really only have the dimmest view of who Christ is and what He really will mean.


And if Jesus doesn't mean the same thing to me, I am wrong?

[I-RIGHT-I]

quote LaL: You shall have many stars in your crown in Heaven, and that's where you are going, pagan, to Heaven.


LaL: Jeez, apparently you missed my subtle humor?

Yep I did miss it. Sorry, it was actually pretty good.

[I-RIGHT-I]

And if Jesus doesn't mean the same thing to me, I am wrong?


Depends on what exactly you do think. You might not be wrong just under informed. The basics are: Eternal God Creator Savior. If you don't believe that or are not prepared or interested enough to look into that possibility then it doesn't really matter what you believe. The Christian faith is often compared to a building. Christ is the foundation and from there you build. If you try and go any other way you are wasting your life.

Depends on what exactly you do think. You might not be wrong just under informed. The basics are: Eternal God Creator Savior. If you don't believe that or are not prepared or interested enough to look into that possibility then it doesn't really matter what you believe. The Christian faith is often compared to a building. Christ is the foundation and from there you build. If you try and go any other way you are wasting your life.


And if the way I "go" is different from your path, I have been deceived by Satan?

Or have you?

[I-RIGHT-I]

And if the way I "go" is different from your path, I have been deceived by Satan?

Or have you?


If you don't agree to the very simple terms I outlined you have been deceived by the world, not Satan. Satan has no power to convince you one way or the other. In fact he won't even think of you. I can not be deceived because I depend solely on the Bible for the outline, as does every Christian and I depend on the superintending power of God to keep me from turning away.

If you go another way it's because you want to. There is no excuse and no one to blame including the Angel of Light. (Lucifer)

[tileman]

If you don't agree to the very simple terms I outlined you have been deceived by the world, not Satan. Satan has no power to convince you one way or the other. In fact he won't even think of you. I can not be deceived because I depend solely on the Bible for the outline, as does every Christian and I depend on the superintending power of God to keep me from turning away.

If you go another way it's because you want to. There is no excuse and no one to blame including the Angel of Light. (Lucifer)


Basically I agree with you. though I think the bible was maybe tweeked to conform to man's understanding, and the church's belief and needs at the time.

I also believe He redeemed this, in that each can now be judged by their individual heart, rather than the banner they wave. Some of the most festered hearts on earth have come from doctinal viewpoints, and some of the cruelest, unloving governments we've ever seen were the churches.........in no way representative of Him.......yet these same organizations compliled what is today called scripture?

If they were spirit led, they should have had it right form the git go right on through till today. Seems to be a whole lot of people really trying, led by a bunch of corprate sleazes selling what they're buying. men elevated to positions of authority when they have none.....lifted untill they can't help but fall.........all along putting way too much emphasis on the teachings of men........including the apostles.

I believe in HIM........not the bible entirely, though it's the best we have.....but place no faith what-so-ever on church doctrine or those who are claimed to have insight. and those that claim to be without sin, you can bet are dogshit.

......just my opinion.....absolutely not meant to sway anyone

[wellkeptsecrets]

Eternal God Creator Savior..and much more.


Thank you for answering. Is He also Lord of your life?

[I-RIGHT-I]

Thank you for answering. Is He also Lord of your life?


Luke 6:46 makes that claim problematic, at least for me, today Oct. 14, 2003. Maybe tomorrow, with help.

Basically I agree with you.

I don't think you comprehend what he's saying. This is NO way is an intimation that you are a stupid son of a bitch.

OAGre, you know he might have a point. ;D


I'm sure he does have a point. I'm guessing that is why he always wears a hat.

Anyone who takes an online test and determines people's worth, religious beliefs or anything else based on the results is a dork.

[sinceabout]

I don't think you comprehend what he's saying. This is NO way is an intimation that you are a stupid son of a bitch.


IRI was rewording the following:

1 John 2:16
for all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world.

"...you have been deceived by the world, not Satan. Satan has no power to convince you one way or the other."

I think Tile was basicly agreeing with the premise of personal responsibility encapsulated in those comments.

IRI was rewording the following:

1 John 2:16
for all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world.

"...you have been deceived by the world, not Satan. Satan has no power to convince you one way or the other."

I think Tile was basicly agreeing with the premise of personal responsibility encapsulated in those comments.





He may have been, but on the other hand, it has been suggested that I want "The Church" to suffer...so, what does that mean?

What is "The Church," to begin with?

Whose Church? What Church? My Church? Your Church? Tile's Church? IRI's Church?

Take your pick.

[I-RIGHT-I]

I'm sure he does have a point. I'm guessing that is why he always wears a hat.

Anyone who takes an online test and determines people's worth, religious beliefs or anything else based on the results is a dork.


You're an idiot. The test pointed out theological differences in the various denominations and cults. It's not rocket science, it's knowing what you believe and how it differs from what other people believe. Of course you have to know something about the subject matter first, and I do. You've already made it clear your some kind of atheist/agnostic/free thinker type so I'm sure this is way over your head, even as simple as it is. When I want your opinion I'll ring your bell.

[I-RIGHT-I]

He may have been, but on the other hand, it has been suggested that I want "The Church" to suffer...so, what does that mean?

What is "The Church," to begin with?

Whose Church? What Church? My Church? Your Church? Tile's Church? IRI's Church?

Take your pick.


Better pick correctly Bad. You don't get do-over's.

[sinceabout]

He may have been, but on the other hand, it has been suggested that I want "The Church" to suffer...so, what does that mean?

If suggestions were horses then we'd all be cowboys.

Anyhow someone could suggest that I want Iraq made into a parking lot for a Walmart the size of Iran. That wouldn't make the details true nor the sentiment incorrect, but it would be an assinine thing to *suggest.*

[wellkeptsecrets]

Better pick correctly Bad. You don't get do-over's.


Well why not be a nice guy IRI and tell him the right answer.

[sinceabout]

Better pick correctly Bad. You don't get do-over's.


While we're being randomly obtuse, since when do protestants teach that salvation is in the church?

You're an idiot.

You would know.

The test pointed out theological differences in the various denominations and cults.

Yeah, sure it did.

It's not rocket science, it's knowing what you believe and how it differs from what other people believe.

It's not science at all.

Of course you have to know something about the subject matter first, and I do.

I'm sure you believe that.

You've already made it clear your some kind of atheist/agnostic/free thinker type

So I've gone from "nominal Christian" to "atheist/agnostic/free thinker type"? You have no idea what I believe so you just assign beliefs to me at your slightest whim in order to feel yours are superior, right, irrefutable, etc., and mine are wrong. It is really adorable and all but it is also kind of childishly annoying.

so I'm sure this is way over your head, even as simple as it is.

Yeah, I can't figure out how to catagorize, compartmentalize and divide beliefs along arbitrary, imagined lines in order to label them this or that. Gosh, finding patterns and creating labels takes an intellect superior to that of a 4 year old.

When I want your opinion I'll ring your bell.[/color]


You'll get my opinion any time I feel like offering it whether you ring some imaginary bell or not. You don't have to like it and I'm certain that most of the time you won't.

Better pick correctly Bad. You don't get do-over's.


You've got me so confused with God's message that I feel compelled to follow your lead. Some have been blessed more than others...or so they think.

Amen.

[sinceabout]

Beliefnet's quiz is a cyberized party game. No more, no less. It's fun and somewhat informative but hardly rigorously scientific, much less truly diagnostic. ::)

Beliefnet's quiz is a cyberized party game. No more, no less. It's fun and somewhat informative but hardly rigorously scientific, much less truly diagnostic. ::)


Crap. And al this time I was forming my life around it. Shoot. :-[

[I-RIGHT-I]

Basically I agree with you. though I think the bible was maybe tweaked to conform to man's understanding, and the church's belief and needs at the time.

Any tweaking to the accepted canon of scripture is minimal. Most modern conservative scholars will tell you that even though original manuscripts are gone 95% of the New Testament was faithfully reproduced in the writing of the early Church Fathers who had access to the originals or early copies. The main problem with the Old and New Testament comes from the translation of the Hebrew, Greek.. A famous example of this is the commandment Thou Shalt Not Kill. Where the word kill actually means murder. I look at it this way; unless the scriptures were faithfully reproduced and selected and protected with the superintending power of God we can not be held accountable for knowing the Truth. Yet this very same scripture says we are accountable because we have these words. In short, if any essential knowledge is left out or wrong then the entire faith is worthless to us and to God. If there is a God, there's no way He would let that happen. You may trust the scripture. You can not always trust the expositor. The Holy Spirit will lead you to a good church and help you to understand in your studies.

I also believe He redeemed this, in that each can now be judged by their individual heart, rather than the banner they wave. Some of the most festered hearts on earth have come from doctrinal viewpoints, and some of the cruelest, unloving governments we've ever seen were the churches.........in no way representative of Him.......yet these same organizations compiled what is today called scripture?

Don't forget that compared to what we've got today the men who compiled the Bible were pristine. Also don't forget the superintending power of God in the work that was done. In all the doctrinal changes and all the fighting that have gone on during the centuries the fundamental and essential truths are still intact.

If they were spirit led, they should have had it right form the git go right on through till today. Seems to be a whole lot of people really trying, led by a bunch of corprate sleazes selling what they're buying. men elevated to positions of authority when they have none.....lifted untill they can't help but fall.........all along putting way too much emphasis on the teachings of men........including the apostles.

Men are the chosen tools of God then and now. The apostles were very special tools and God gave them the credentials to be His officers and speakers. Don't confuse the teaching of the apostles with later men in the Church. Without them you'd have Zero chance of understanding the nature of God and His plan for your salvation.

I believe in HIM........not the bible entirely, though it's the best we have.....but place no faith what-so-ever on church doctrine or those who are claimed to have insight. and those that claim to be without sin, you can bet are dogshit.

Insight is something that you can feel is present in a teacher. I do have confidence in some teachers and I have faith in the Word as it was handed down. But faith and insight is a gift. Ask for it and then hang on.

Don't forget that compared to what we've got today the men who compiled the Bible were pristine.



You see, this one short sentence blows your credibility all to shit. You don't know that. Everything you base your suppositions on are what you think might have been. Speculation. Hearsay.

Worthless information. Nothing with which to base anything on truth, in fact.

Beautiful dreamer.

Come on. Admit it. It's easy. Read my lips.

"I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about."

It will make you feel better.

[wellkeptsecrets]

Come on. Admit it. It's easy. Read my lips.

"I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about."

It will make you feel better.


I don't see him admitting that. ???

[I-RIGHT-I]

Well why not be a nice guy IRI and tell him the right answer.


Why would I want to do that? I've given him the basics and told him the truth. If he's interested that's quite enough to get him started. Besides, I don't make recommendations of churches unless I've studied the pastor. I will say that any church that is in membership with the World Council of Churches is a place to ignore.



While we're being randomly obtuse, since when do protestants teach that salvation is in the church?


Salvation is a free gift for whomever will reach out and get it. Unfortunately all the churches don't give you the essentials that allow you to do that. And that's why there's gong to be millions of walking dead liberal Protestants wake up one day and wonder why they are in hell.

[color=purple]Why would I want to do that? I've given him the basics and told him the truth. If he's interested that's quite enough to get him started. Besides, I don't make recommendations of churches unless I've studied the pastor. I will say that any church that is in membership with the World Council of Churches is a place to ignore.

That is so "weak." I would have expected that response from Giancarlo. ::)

You've not given me "the basics." I don't think you know "the basics."

IRI...what are "the basics" as you have hallucinated them to be?

[wellkeptsecrets]

[color=purple]Why would I want to do that?



Why wouldn't you want to? I don't understand this.

Why wouldn't you want to? I don't understand this.


He can't. He knows I am not the Beta Bitch and cannot be brainwahsed by his nightmares.

[I-RIGHT-I]

Jesus=Eternal God Creator Savior,

In addition I've given you much more if you'd just read it. Why would I waste my time telling you again?

Jesus=Eternal God Creator Savior,

In addition I've given you much more if you'd just read it. Why would I waste my time telling you again?


It's your duty? You are honor bound and obligated to spread the love of Christ?

[arod]

Maybe not, but most definitely doctrinally challenged.


Gee, me too. I ain't got one. :)

[wellkeptsecrets]

Besides, I don't make recommendations of churches unless I've studied the pastor.


I don't think he asked for a recommendation. I believe he asked what is 'The Church'? Perhaps you should begin by explaining to him what the church is.

[I-RIGHT-I]

Why wouldn't you want to? I don't understand this.


What's not to understand? Bad's hobby is playing the Devil's advocate and he's not really that good at it. And as I said. I've been through this with him before. He has everything he needs.

I don't think he asked for a recommendation. I believe he asked what is 'The Church'? Perhaps you should begin by explaining to him what the church is.


I don't think he's paying attention to what he's posting.

[wellkeptsecrets]

Jesus=Eternal God Creator Savior,

In addition I've given you much more if you'd just read it. Why would I waste my time telling you again?


As a believer in Christ it wouldn't be a waste of your time to tell him again and again if need be till he understood. Where is your love IRI?

[I-RIGHT-I]

I don't think he asked for a recommendation. I believe he asked what is 'The Church'? Perhaps you should begin by explaining to him what the church is.


Be my guest, if you can. I'm tired of playing around with him.He's all yours.

What's not to understand? Bad's hobby is playing the Devil's advocate and he's not really that good at it. And as I said. I've been through this with him before. He has everything he needs.


You misread me. I am not playing advocate. You are being obtuse, vague and remote. You're not in the proper state of mind to explain simple questions.

We understand and are used to it.

And I think it's pretty chicken shit of you to cast aspersions about me which you know to be false...don't you?

[I-RIGHT-I]

As a believer in Christ it wouldn't be a waste of your time to tell him again and again if need be till he understood. Where is your love IRI?
I don't need the practice. Help yourself.

Be my guest, if you can. I'm tired of playing around with him.He's all yours.


I'll bet that's not what Jesus would do, you quitter. <scornful look>

As a believer in Christ it wouldn't be a waste of your time to tell him again and again if need be till he understood. Where is your love IRI?


I'll bet you could (sanely and calmly) explain to me what "the Church" is without giving up on your Savior and Lord, don't you?

[wellkeptsecrets]

Be my guest, if you can. I'm tired of playing around with him.He's all yours.


How nice of you to give him to me. ;D

What a lame way to get out of answering his questions.

[I-RIGHT-I]

You misread me. I am not playing advocate. You are being obtuse, vague and remote. You're not in the proper state of mind to explain simple questions.

We understand and are used to it.

And I think it's pretty chicken shit of you to cast aspersions about me which you know to be false...don't you?


Everything I've said about you is true, as you yourself have made it clear time and time again. You're like Tiger and her jOOZ when it comes to Christianity. We've had these conversations before so I see no point in beating a dead horse. In any case there are no such things as simple questions when the questioner isn't interested in the answer. Here's the deal. Send me five hundred bucks and once again I'll tell you what it's going to take to keep your ass out of eternal darkness. If you don't want to spend the money you can go to my archives and dig it out.

[ilovelucy]

It isn't so much what one says that they believe. Maybe how they live. We don't get the opportunity to experience that much of each other's lives here, although we know each other and sometimes what is going on with us personally....Sometimes, it comes from the heart. And knowing how difficult it is to be superhuman, religion or no religion..... :)


You know we just celebrated the feast or holy day of St. Francis of Assisi. Rich and racous youth, spent a year as a slave, became a priest and gave it all up after he was disinherited...They say he talked to the animals and the birds, even wolves.....A loving man.

I will try to post his famous prayer....

Everything I've said about you is true, as you yourself have made it clear time and time again. You're like Tiger and her jOOZ when it comes to Christianity. We've had these conversations before so I see no point in beating a dead horse. In any case there are no such things as simple questions when the questioner isn't interested in the answer. Here's the deal. Send me five hundred bucks and once again I'll tell you what it's going to take to keep your ass out of eternal darkness. If you don't want to spend the money you can go to my archives and dig it out.



You need a nap. Talk to you later.

[I-RIGHT-I]

I'll bet you could (sanely and calmly) explain to me what "the Church" is without giving up on your Savior and Lord, don't you?


I've given up on you. I'm allowed to do that you know. You'll just have to get it from some one else or spend eternity in hell. Sorry about that.

[wellkeptsecrets]

I'll bet you could (sanely and calmly) explain to me what "the Church" is without giving up on your Savior and Lord, don't you?



The church is us.

I've given up on you. I'm allowed to do that you know. You'll just have to get it from some one else or spend eternity in hell. Sorry about that.


Well, I haven't given up on you. I love you...and I won't let you destroy your life with hate.

[ilovelucy]

Lord, make me an instrument of your Peace.
where there is hatred, let me sow love
where there is injury, pardon
where there is doubt, faith
where there is despair, hope
where there is darkness, light
where there is sadness, joy!
O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek
to be consoled as to console;
to be understood as to understand;
to be loved as to love.
For it is in giving that we receive,
it is in pardoning that we are pardoned,
and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.

St. Francis of Assisi

The church is us.


I agree.

<case closed>

See how simple that was? ::)

[I-RIGHT-I]

Well, I haven't given up on you. I love you...and I won't let you destroy your life with hate.


Thank you Bad. Hearing that from you makes me realize how far I've yet to go. Sorry you won't be around to meet me when I get there.

[arod]

Well, I haven't given up on you. I love you...and I won't let you destroy your life with hate.


Awww, bad's gonna be IRI's mommy. Isn't that sweet? :)

Thank you Bad. Hearing that from you makes me realize how far I've yet to go. Sorry you won't be around to meet me when I get there.


I'm here for you for whatever you need.

Your friend,

bad

[I-RIGHT-I]

I agree.

<case closed>

See how simple that was? ::)


She wasn't including you Bad.

[wellkeptsecrets]

I've given up on you. I'm allowed to do that you know. You'll just have to get it from some one else or spend eternity in hell. Sorry about that.


How many others have you given up on IRI? And I don't believe you really care one way or another about where Bad is going to spend eternity. He gets under your skin and causes you to feel uncomfortable. Still he is loved by God just as much as you or I.

[I-RIGHT-I]

Awww, bad's gonna be IRI's mommy. Isn't that sweet? :)


You're late to the party. And yes, tonight I'm Bad's love interest.

Awww, bad's gonna be IRI's mommy. Isn't that sweet? :)


Well, normally, that would mean something, but since it's coming from someone who has no allegiance to any Deity or thing, I suppose we should take it for what it's worth, huh?

<flushes toilet>

[wellkeptsecrets]

You're late to the party. And yes, tonight I'm Bad's love interest.


Who's your love interest?

[I-RIGHT-I]

How many others have you given up on IRI? And I don't believe you really care one way or another about where Bad is going to spend eternity. He gets under your skin and causes you to feel uncomfortable. Still he is loved by God just as much as you or I.


You're being very judgmental and you don't know what you're talking about. He doesn't get under my skin, he's only an abrasive. And don't forget, or here's a fact if you didn't know, God's love doesn't save you. His love made the provision but the fact is not everyone wants it. You don't waste your precious time on people who refuse the gift. Christ walked out of more than one town shaking the dust from His feet.

You don't waste your precious time on people who refuse the gift.


Everyone here knows, as well as YOU, that I have MORE love in my left nut than most people have in their entire body.

I have learned the lesson of LOVE. What else is there? I am WAY ahead of the game, buster. You can learn from me what you are trying to teach.

[ilovelucy]

bad,

I agree.

And what is the source of that love? Where did you first learn to love?

bad,

I agree.

And what is the source of that love? Where did you first learn to love?


Mom.

[I-RIGHT-I]

Everyone here knows, as well as YOU, that I have MORE love in my left nut than most people have in their entire body.

I have learned the lesson of LOVE. What else is there? I am WAY ahead of the game, buster. You can learn from me what you are trying to teach.


Love for people don't pay the debt Babe.

Love for people don't pay the debt Babe.


That's bullshit and you know it. What is THE Golden Rule, bub?

[wellkeptsecrets]

Love for people don't pay the debt Babe.


The 'debt' has already been paid.

The 'debt' has already been paid.



Amen.

IRI, I don't know what or who has hurt you, but you can take this to the bank...

I won't.

[I-RIGHT-I]

That's bullshit and you know it. What is THE Golden Rule, bub?


Love God with all your heart and all your soul. And love your neighbor as yourself. That would be the two greatest commandments according to Christ. That trumps the golden rule. But even that doesn't pay the debt. Christ's blood paid the debt. You have to acknowledge that publicly. But before you can do that you have to know why. Can you guess?

[wellkeptsecrets]

Love God with all your heart and all your soul. And love your neighbor as yourself. That would be the two greatest commandments according to Christ. That trumps the golden rule. But even that doesn't pay the debt. Christ's blood paid the debt. You have to acknowledge that publicly. But before you can do that you have to know why. Can you guess?


A guessing game?

You have to acknowledge that publicly.



Says who? I'll bet you can't find anything anywhere that you have to acknowledge publically anything in the Bible.

In fact, I've read the opposite. It's a matter of interpretation of giving witness. Is it necessary to you what I profess to my God in public? Is that what makes you a good Christian?

[ilovelucy]

Christ paid the debt.

One can believe in this or not.

[I-RIGHT-I]

A guessing game?


You really haven't added aniything to this discussion except to be Bad's straight man.. Just curious, do you know the answer?

Christ paid the debt.


Forever.

You really haven't added aniything to this discussion except to be Bad's straight man.. Just curious, do you know the answer?


Quit being so damned cranky. Sheesh. ::)

[I-RIGHT-I]

Says who? I'll bet you can't find anything anywhere that you have to acknowledge publicly anything in the Bible.

In fact, I've read the opposite. It's a matter of interpretation of giving witness. Is it necessary to you what I profess to my God in public? Is that what makes you a good Christian?


Trust me. I won't lead you astray or hurt you. I love you. You must acknowledge Jesus publicly. Yes, I have Christ's own words stating exactly that around here someplace.

[ilovelucy]

yes, forever.

The hard part for some people is in asking for forgiveness....I am not sure why.

Of course, many people don't want to have anything to do with this....that is okay, really....You cannot ask anything of anyone under duress or threat of animosity....

Faith or love or honor or sacrifice or integrity are virtues which are rendered meaningless if demanded by a loaded gun. These must be genuine and not blindly instilled or followed like a mantra.

You must acknowledge Jesus publicly.


Why? Why would God care what others thought about your acknowledging Him?

I don't believe it.

God only cares about your personal relationship with Him, not with man.

The hard part for some people is in asking for forgiveness....I am not sure why.


Asking forgiveness assumes that you are able to forgive. Being able to forgive takes more effort and love than one can readily imagine.

[I-RIGHT-I]

Why? Why would God care what others thought about your acknowledging Him?

I don't believe it.

God only cares about your personal relationship with Him, not with man.


Whosoever3956, 3748 therefore3767 shall confess3670, (1722) me1698 before1715 men,444, (1722) him846 will I confess also2504, 3670 before1715 my3450 Father3962 which3588 is in1722 heaven.3772
Mat 10:33 But1161 whosoever3748, 302 shall deny720 me3165 before1715 men,444 him846 will I also2504 deny720 before1715 my3450 Father3962 which3588 is in1722 heaven.3772

[wellkeptsecrets]

You really haven't added aniything to this discussion except to be Bad's straight man.. Just curious, do you know the answer?


I'm sorry I haven't lived up to your expectations IRI. And I don't know what question you were asking exactly. Why don't you just say what you mean so there are no misunderstandings.

Whosoever3956, 3748 therefore3767 shall confess3670, (1722) me1698 before1715 men,444, (1722) him846 will I confess also2504, 3670 before1715 my3450 Father3962 which3588 is in1722 heaven.3772
Mat 10:33 But1161 whosoever3748, 302 shall deny720 me3165 before1715 men,444 him846 will I also2504 deny720 before1715 my3450 Father3962 which3588 is in1722 heaven.3772



Holy Shit! Jesus is a C.P.A.? :o

[I-RIGHT-I]

Nite folks.

[ilovelucy]

Asking forgiveness assumes that you are able to forgive. Being able to forgive takes more effort and love than one can readily imagine.


We can ask forgiveness from God because sometimes, we are unable to forgive others ourselves, and this in itself is unforgiveable ;D. I know well. And you are so right. Being able to forgive is so hard.

Nite folks.


Sweet dreams.

We love you.

[wellkeptsecrets]

Nite folks.


Night IRI... you are loved.

I'm going to go tuck in myself. Not in the same bed as IRI, mind you. :)

Sleep tight all.

[ilovelucy]

night IRI....

God is very good to us.

[wellkeptsecrets]

I'm going to go tuck in myself. Not in the same bed as IRI, mind you. :)

Sleep tight all.


Good night Your Badness. Love you bunches. :-*

[ilovelucy]

bad,

try not to bite the bedbugs tonight! ;D

[tileman]

I don't think you comprehend what he's saying. This is NO way is an intimation that you are a stupid son of a bitch.


;D Gee thanks......

[tileman]

Going waaay back to page 5.......I agree that satan isn't going to cause me to do wrong.....nor is the world going to mold my heart....where I differed was, I also don't believe that an organization is going to cause me to do and feel right. (a church)

If I know Him....and i believe that I do.....it's because he loved me first and i tuned my heart to Him...and not necessarily in the same way that anyone else has.......nor would my relationship with him have to be identical to everyone or anyone elses.

I fear putting limitations on His ability to forgive.........on whom He can love, .... as those limitations may somehow be applied to me in that I sought to apply them to others (though I doubt it....it still wouldn't look good... :P)

Can't we look at church history and judge them by their fruits? yeeeeech

Again i'll say.....they dropped the ball....almost from the gitgo....and it's up to each person to share his heart with Him...and for Him to judge. I'd fear the condemnation of having condemned by belonging to pretty much any group led by another man. I'll be judged for my heart not his...

A man gets a small truth and somehow imagines he has it all......I doubt there is just one way to look at God.......one truth about Him...Is there of you?

Could you be summed up in a book the size of the new testament? Even if it were inspired in it's entirety.....of which I have my doubts... and was concerned only with Him....I doubt it would scratch the surface of the Son of God.

so IRI...........Am I a blasphemer? Does He hear the eloquent prayer more clearly than one that is silent? Does He really give a rat's ass if we see Him as three-in-one oil or admit we just don't know? Is His name limited to that with which He was never known while on this earth? Can a God without name be limited to one?

[kathleen]

so IRI...........Am I a blasphemer

I don't think you are, Tile. I really like some of your ideas. You sound like an independent-minded christian, someone who has thought long and hard on what the message is suppose to mean to you. And I think that ultimately that's what it's suppose to be - a different, individual revelation for each of us.

I think there is a version of the bible for people just like you - the surfer's bible. :)

[Persephone]

One truth. Many paths.

[truelies]

You really haven't added aniything to this discussion except to be Bad's straight man.. Just curious, do you know the answer?


It could be that she is just getting ornery about someone setting themselves up as an ittybitty tinplated Pope passing judgement on the Faith of others. Her Faith I expect is sufficiently real that repeating some verbal formula calibrated to suit you will add nothing to what God sees in her. But thats just my humble opinion.

[I-RIGHT-I]

It could be that she is just getting ornery about someone setting themselves up as an ittybitty tinplated Pope passing judgment on the Faith of others. Her Faith I expect is sufficiently real that repeating some verbal formula calibrated to suit you will add nothing to what God sees in her. But thats just my humble opinion.


She might be ornery and she might not know. No way to tell because she actually hasn't said anything. I stick my neck out because I believe what I say and can back it up. Your opinion in my opinion IS very humble. But don't let that stop you from adding to the discussion in a constructive way. If you can.

[I-RIGHT-I]

I don't think you are, Tile. I really like some of your ideas. You sound like an independent-minded christian, someone who has thought long and hard on what the message is suppose to mean to you. And I think that ultimately that's what it's suppose to be - a different, individual revelation for each of us.

I think there is a version of the bible for people just like you - the surfer's bible. :)



One truth. Many paths.


Groutboy...you KNOW you're flying blind when these two agree with you about religion. As your doctor I advise you to drink heavily then run like hell when they come knocking on your door with any kind of advice. Except spelling and grammar.

Everybody get a good night's rest? <stretching>

Bring on the deep thoughts!! ;D

Before we begin, may I suggest a little morning exercises?

Everyone ready?

Okay. Here we go!!

Left Nostril: 1, 2, 3...
Right Nostril: 1, 2, 3...
Left Eyelid: 1, 2, 3...
Right Eyelid: 1, 2, 3.

Make it burn, baby!!

[I-RIGHT-I]

Going waaay back to page 5.......I agree that satan isn't going to cause me to do wrong.....nor is the world going to mold my heart....where I differed was, I also don't believe that an organization is going to cause me to do and feel right. (a church)


I'm personally familiar with the idea that "organized religion" is not necessarily essential or even a good thing. I've not changed my mind about that but I have looked at the question from a different perspective. Belonging to a doctrinally sound, Bible believing church and associating with like minded people isn't in my mind the same thing I think about when I think of "organized religion". There are several things that can not happen if we fail to heed Paul's admonition to "not forsake gathering ourselves together". First and foremost there can be no celebration of Christ in communion. "Do this in remembrance of me". There can be no fellowship, and friendship with other believers if you're not there. You miss the opportunity to benefit others and receive benefit from others by way of the gifts God gives each person. There's the concept of community where all work toward some common goal and I think the list goes on an on. Yep, it's a hassle and there's always the possibility for trouble and dissention but clearly a gathering together with your brothers and sisters in Christ is a sign of a healthy spiritual life. I don't find where there is a commandment to go to church but I do see where it's commanded to love those who are believers. This is your family and if you love your family you don't want to be separated from them. I just returned from a family gathering at a funeral for one of my relatives. There were some people I hadn't seen in fifteen years. I didn't realize how much I missed them. I think finding the right church and meeting new brothers and sisters in Christ for you would be a lot like that.

If I know Him....and i believe that I do.....it's because he loved me first and i tuned my heart to Him...and not necessarily in the same way that anyone else has.......nor would my relationship with him have to be identical to everyone or anyone elses.

I'm not sure there's really much difference in my relationship to Christ or the way He deals with me than with you. I do believe some people are more mature in their relationship than others, that only makes sense but, you can be sure that in Christ we are all one and loved equally. That always does not translate in the way we deal with each other but you already know that people, including your brothers and sisters in Christ are not perfect and fail more often than they succeed.

I fear putting limitations on His ability to forgive.........on whom He can love, .... as those limitations may somehow be applied to me in that I sought to apply them to others (though I doubt it....it still wouldn't look good... )

Well, I think you're trying to say that you don't want to judge other people and you don't want them judging you. But we do make judgment calls don't we? We do make informed decisions in all kinds of different matters all the time. In the Bible we are told we must make informed judgments. We are given the situations where this is necessary and provided with the tools to do it. In matters of the faith we are to act as guardians of ourselves and each other. That's another good reason to be a member of a spiritually healthy congregation.

Can't we look at church history and judge them by their fruits? yeeeeech

Yes you can. Be sure and judge them as you'd want to be judged. Look at each situation in its historical and cultural context and remember that in every generation some bad apples get into the barrel. The important thing to look at are the successes not the failures.

Again i'll say.....they dropped the ball....almost from the gitgo....and it's up to each person to share his heart with Him...and for Him to judge. I'd fear the condemnation of having condemned by belonging to pretty much any group led by another man. I'll be judged for my heart not his...

The essentials of the faith remain and have not changed, in this the ball was not dropped. God has been carrying that ball not men. If it weren't so we wouldn't be having this conversation. I know first hand what you're feeling, fear of rejection, fear that you'll be led down the wrong path and a certain amount of pride that you can do this yourself without help. Been there myself. But God doesn't want you to go it alone. He wants you in communion with Him and other believers in a spiritual and physical way.

A man gets a small truth and somehow imagines he has it all......I doubt there is just one way to look at God.......one truth about Him...Is there of you?

Complicated subject, truth. Christ said He was the truth. I start from there and work outward. Christians essentially look at God in only one way. They of course do not see Him clearly and were never intended to. Christ said when you see me you see the Father. This is the truth. Some people have more of the truth than others and that's a fact. I try and allow the Spirit of God to lead me to those kind of men. I have been fooled before but have learned from the experience and still can't say that God didn't intend it to be that way. And yes, there is one truth about me. It's not pretty and I'd rather not go into it but it's the same for everyone. "There is none good, no not one". "We are all sinners and fallen short of the Glory of God". On the bright side; "Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:" and, "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out."


Could you be summed up in a book the size of the new testament? Even if it were inspired in it's entirety.....of which I have my doubts... and was concerned only with Him....I doubt it would scratch the surface of the Son of God.

One of the apostles already said that if everything that Jesus did could be written the entire world could not contain the books. I believe that but that doesn't apply to me. I can be summed up in one sentence. I was born in sin, I died in Grace.



so IRI...........Am I a blasphemer?

Not so far.

Does He hear the eloquent prayer more clearly than one that is silent?

Since He hears prayers that can't be put into words I'd say no.

Does He really give a rat's ass if we see Him as three-in-one oil or admit we just don't know?

Yes, I think He cares that you care enough to study the concept of the Trinity. I think He cares that you believe Christ is His Son and by nature God. Since it is promised that the Holy Spirit will guide you in these studies I don't believe He's going to be very pleased that you show up at His door with a blank look on your face concerning these things. How are you to trust Jesus Christ as Savior if you don't know who He is? How are you going to recieve the leading of the Holy Spirit if you don't acknowledge He exists? It's not easy, I don't have the perfect answer for you.


Is His name limited to that with which He was never known while on this earth? Can a God without name be limited to one?

I know His name. I just don't know how to pronounce it. The name of God was considered so holy that it was forbidden to speak it out loud and so the pronunciation was lost. Dang Hebrew's and their lack of vowels is the reason for that. If you are suggesting that possibly there are other manifestations of God given to other peoples and that they have an equal opportunity blessing to approach Him in that way then you are gravely mistaken. If that were true then why did Christ die on the tree? And why did Christ say "I am the way, the truth and the light, no one comes unto the Father except by me"? That's not blasphemy, that's another religion. You can not possibly be a Christian and believe that. Perhaps I misunderstood and you don't actually believe there is more than one truth and more than one way to God? If you do believe that then you have been corrupted by the World, because that's what the World believes. If you'd like to stick to that concept of religion then I can direct you to a Unitarian Universalist church. That is exactly how they approach the subject. They are as good as cooked if they die in that belief.

[I-RIGHT-I]

Before we begin, may I suggest a little morning exercises?

Everyone ready?

Okay. Here we go!!

Left Nostril: 1, 2, 3...
Right Nostril: 1, 2, 3...
Left Eyelid: 1, 2, 3...
Right Eyelid: 1, 2, 3.

Make it burn, baby!!


Ok, hand me two of those 16 oz cans. I think I'm going to want to really push myself to the limit today.

[wellkeptsecrets]

She might be ornery and she might not know. No way to tell because she actually hasn't said anything. I stick my neck out because I believe what I say and can back it up. Your opinion in my opinion IS very humble. But don't let that stop you from adding to the discussion in a constructive way. If you can.


Jesus is my personal Lord and Savior and the Only son of God who died on the cross for my sins. The 'debt' was paid through his shed blood for all time.

IRI... I won't be discussing my Faith with you from this day forward simply because you have pre-determined that everyone is wrong and you are right. You don't care what I believe, you just want someone new to pick apart. Sorry I am not going to be that someone. You in my opinion are arrogant and not nearly the Christian you'd like everyone to believe you are.

Way to go, IRI...another black mark on your record.

You'd better start doing some "good" for Christ or you are going to be in BEEEG trouble, meester.

[ponygurl]

IRI reminds me of my nosy old neighbour who claimed herself to be such a "Christian" that she was actually a lay-preacher who guest spoke in churches.
However, she judged and gossiped so much around town about other people's lives that eventually, no one came to listen when she spoke.
Not that I have anything to actually add to this conversation.. ;D

IRI reminds me of my nosy old neighbour who claimed herself to be such a "Christian" that she was actually a lay-preacher who guest spoke in churches.
However, she judged and gossiped so much around town about other people's lives that eventually, no one came to listen when she spoke.
Not that I have anything to actually add to this conversation.. ;D







There are limits to how much Christian Love™ people can gag down.

[ponygurl]

The path to hell is paved with good intentions.

[Tiger]

IRI -

I really think you try to do the right thing. I just thing you are greatly influenced by cult-thought.

Tile's words were enlightening and very spiritual. They did not contain the judgementalism that your's carry.

I read this whole thread and noticed that you could not allow one thread to slip by without trying to link me to some anti-semitism. It is disenheartneing to have you so misintrepret my words - but I understand that you must look at them through the mentality that you have adopted for your life. Okay.

But there are so many religions out there - each offering hope and comfort and an eternal future if only they are followed.

Jesus was far from the World's first slain Savior - and not the last either. So much of the OT and the NT contain the paganistic rituals of the day - presumably to attract the pagan mind. And it did.

You mention the "debt" - a very paganistic aspect that was included - as it was a requirement to have a blood sacrifice of an innocent to asuage the anger of the god's against the folks. To assume that God would actually demand this pagan blood sacrifice is way out there.

And your mention of communion is no more than the handed-down ritualistic practice of canablism - now as a ceremony instead of using the actual body as it once was.

But - stop and think how many other holy books there are out there. HOw many other 'saviours'.

Many.

I think it would be better if today's Christians followed the path of our former Founding Father, Jefferson - who agreed that Jesus was an enlightened philosopher - one whose ideas on humanity were awesome - but disregard the hocus-pocus and other superstitionism in favor of logic and reason.

There is no difference in an adherent of Christianity and an adherent of Judaism or Islam. They all believe in some sort of afterlife if one obeys their holy dictates.

But times change. Even most Jews rarely follow the ritualistic killing of meat anymore. As we progress - we realise that much of holy books is simply myth.

It does not mean a man named Jesus did not walk the earth - only that we need to open our eyes and drop the paganistic attitudes.

No one has to publically admit anything - or even privately - for that matter. IT's time to quit being afraid. It won't get us anywhere but into trouble. :)

[arod]

There are limits to how much Christian Love™ people can gag down.


Is your love better than his? I doubt it. The way it looks from here, you both use it as a weapon.

Is your love better than his? I doubt it. The way it looks from here, you both use it as a weapon.


"Better" doesn't even come into the equation. I am not compelled by the power of Christ. He is.

Yes. Love is a weapon. Love is a battlefield. ~Pat Benatar~

Is your love better than his? I doubt it. The way it looks from here, you both use it as a weapon.


And besides, I wasn't even talking about IRI. I was talking about that Christian biddy Pony was talking about.

[Persephone]

She's a good girl, loves her mama
Loves Jesus, and America too
She's a good girl, crazy 'bout Elvis
Loves horses and her boyfriend too

[I-RIGHT-I]

Jesus is my personal Lord and Savior and the Only son of God who died on the cross for my sins. The 'debt' was paid through his shed blood for all time.

That's the short version and you're correct. Good deal. One for you. I'm very happy that it turned out that way.


IRI... I won't be discussing my Faith with you from this day forward simply because you have pre-determined that everyone is wrong and you are right.

When you find someone that is predetermined that they are wrong let me know. I haven't predetermined anything. I just go with the flow.


You don't care what I believe, you just want someone new to pick apart. Sorry I am not going to be that someone. You in my opinion are arrogant and not nearly the Christian you'd like everyone to believe you are.


You're free as a bird. You're Free Bird. But I haven't pre-determined anything about anyone. Most of these folks have already displayed contempt for the Christian faith yet want to discuss it as if there's a snowball's chance in hell they know what they're talking about. I'm here, on call to let them know that I know they don't know Jack. As far as you're concerned I believe you made some comments that prompted me to ask questions. Sorry for lifting up your skirt. I do care what you believe and that's a fact. Anyone who names the name of Christ should be prepared to explain themselves. "Study to show yourself approved" is a good motto. There's nothing quite as frustrating as someone who can't back up what they are saying. If you're not prepared to add to the discussion then you should stay out of it. Most of your comments on this thread were a waste of time. I think you're afraid to show your ignorance and then you get mad a me for pointing it out. Oh well.

I've never claimed to be a "good" Christian. In fact I've mentioned more that a few times the fact that I often don't even come close to the description, so sue me. I'm sorry you don't like the way I put my boot in the butt of the folks here and that you think I'm arrogant but it's hard to be humble in the face of pseudo-spiritualists with their cultist impression of salvation and the Christian faith.

Take a look at Tiger's last post. Now Tiger is a walking dead loser for two reasons. First, she's got an entirely post modern humanistic view of God and Jesus. She thinks Jesus is a nice guy but not the only way to "heaven". The second reason she's a walking dead loser is she's an evangelist for the anti-Christ. She likes to spread the message of tolerance, non-judgmentalism and inclusiveness all wrapped up in some kind of relativist new age touchy-feely jingoism. Giving her the Gospel is a waste of time. She's already heard it and rejected it. I've got a very low tolerance for folks like that when it comes to religion and I tend to be a little harsh. If you'd like to call that arrogance then be my guest but I did not treat you that way. I simply pointed out that by scoring high in Mormonism you MAY have an incorrect view of the orthodox belief when it comes to the nature of God. Instead of asking why I thought that you got your nose out of joint and then jumped on the heathen bandwagon. Do you think I was arrogant with Tileman?

Here's a challenge. Respond to Tiger point by point. It's really pretty easy and no points will be taken off for her not understanding you and rebutting with her patented logical fallacies and mumbo jumbo. Go for it. Or if you agree with her just say so.

[I-RIGHT-I]

IRI reminds me of my nosy old neighbour who claimed herself to be such a "Christian" that she was actually a lay-preacher who guest spoke in churches.
However, she judged and gossiped so much around town about other people's lives that eventually, no one came to listen when she spoke.
Not that I have anything to actually add to this conversation.. ;D


You'd better be nice you've already got two strikes against you. Canadian and female. 8)

[I-RIGHT-I]

Is your love better than his? I doubt it. The way it looks from here, you both use it as a weapon.


Knowledge is power. The powerless often think of themselves as victims.

Most of these folks have already displayed contempt for the Christian faith yet want to discuss it as if there's a snowball's chance in hell they know what they're talking about.


Bob,

I think you're confusing something. "Most of these folks" don't display ANY contempt for the Christian faith. Not any at all. It's a certain membership that rouses the contempt. I'm sure if an agnostic, an atheist, a Buddhist...well, anyone had such poor social skills as some of the membership of the Christian faith that they, too, would be held in contempt...if you know what I mean?

Let's take Lucy as an example. Do you see anyone dilsparaging her faith? Are you sitting there in your dirty BVD's gonna tell us that she is not a Christian? I triple dog dare ya.

It's as I've been "trying" to teach you, Bob...do you mind if I call you "Bob?" I'm tired of typing IRI, EVERYTHING is in presentation. Unless you're intentionally trying to ostracize and belittle your neighbors, you're going about it all wrong. If you don't want other people to hear the words of Jesus Christ, continue on as you have been. You're doing no great service to the Christian Faith as I see it by doing so, but actually, no one really believes you're a True Christian™ anyways because of your behavior/presentation.

I know it doesn't matter to you how you respond. But now that you have been "outed" as to why you do it (rejection by someone you loved more than Christ), we'll either have to live with it or continue to respond back in kind with contempt...just as you are doing by showing contempt for anyone NOT of the Christian faith.

Too sad, brother.

[I-RIGHT-I]

Bob,

I think you're confusing something. "Most of these folks" don't display ANY contempt for the Christian faith. Not any at all. It's a certain membership that rouses the contempt. I'm sure if an agnostic, an atheist, a Buddhist...well, anyone had such poor social skills as some of the membership of the Christian faith that they, too, would be held in contempt...if you know what I mean?

Boob, do you mind if I call you boob? Who are you trying to bullshit? "Most" of members and the usual suspects I refer to don't miss an opportunity to trash the Fundie Christian and the socially conservative views of same. That would include those who self identify as Liberal nominal Christians. Just for the record I don't consider those people Christian and I've stated the reasons quite a few times in a number of different applications. The contempt you speak of is contempt for someone (me) who dares to challenge the liberal view. Yes, I do call you a walking dead loser and of course that's offensive. Tough shit. If it walks like a duck I'm not going to call it a chicken. Get over it.


Let's take Lucy as an example. Do you see anyone dilsparaging her faith? Are you sitting there in your dirty BVD's gonna tell us that she is not a Christian? I triple dog dare ya.

What a pussy, hiding behind Lucy's skirts to try and defend the losers here. Lucy, bless her heart isn't about to say shit even if she had a mouthful. She's either not equipped to take you and others to task for outrageous slanders against the faith or she just doesn't want to piss anyone off. I can't say I respect that but that's just her personality. She reminds me of my Grandmother, very sweet and somewhat out of touch. There is no way you can compare Lucy to anyone on this board that I tend to put a boot to. But it doesn't really matter as you don't send a woman to do a man's job. Defending the faith and kicking the hell out of walking dead losers is a man's job, always has been and always will be. That's why God gave us such big feet.


It's as I've been "trying" to teach you, Bob...do you mind if I call you "Bob?" I'm tired of typing IRI, EVERYTHING is in presentation. Unless you're intentionally trying to ostracize and belittle your neighbors, you're going about it all wrong. If you don't want other people to hear the words of Jesus Christ, continue on as you have been. You're doing no great service to the Christian Faith as I see it by doing so, but actually, no one really believes you're a True Christian™ anyways because of your behavior/presentation.

As I've said before, it doesn't matter what YOU and the other losers think about me. Your little spiel about my presentation skills and how I turn off the "potential converts" is pure crap. You're not a potential convert and neither are they. In spiritual terms you're the enemy and not someone to handle with the "love of Christ" gloves. You would not know a "true Christian" if you met one. The difference between me and the other Christians you guys have intimidated, ridiculed and run off this site is that I'm impervious to your mind games. And as I've said many times before, I'm not here to save your ass, I'm here to kick it. If you're looking for that pansy turn the other cheek Christian mumbo jumbo join the Methodist Church, they will slobber all over you as you beat them to a pulp.


I know it doesn't matter to you how you respond. But now that you have been "outed" as to why you do it (rejection by someone you loved more than Christ), we'll either have to live with it or continue to respond back in kind with contempt...just as you are doing by showing contempt for anyone NOT of the Christian faith.

You're really not living up to your reputation. This phony psych evaluation routine is pretty pathetic. Rejection doesn't bother me that much because I understand whence it comes. And there is nobody I love more than Christ, at least I'd like to think so. I do not hold you personally in contempt as much as I do your ideas. I am just a little offended though that you're giving me so little credit that you think I'm buying any of this concern either for me or for the way I present myself. What is sad, is maybe you do believe it.

You're really not living up to your reputation. This phony psych evaluation routine is pretty pathetic. Rejection doesn't bother me that much because I understand whence it comes. And there is nobody I love more than Christ, at least I'd like to think so. I do not hold you personally in contempt as much as I do your ideas. I am just a little offended though that you're giving me so little credit that you think I'm buying any of this concern either for me or for the way I present myself. What is sad, is maybe you do believe it.




Bob,

You see, that's where you're not getting it. No one is "rejecting" you. We are "accepting" you with or without any flaws that may or may not exist. YOU are the one doing the rejecting. YOU are the one showing the contempt.

If my "evaluation' is so off, why are you even bothering responding to it?

My reputation does, indeed, precede me. I doubt there's a member on here that doubts my analysis of you...except yourself. But no matter. You are hiding so deeply behind your own fear that you can't even see the truth. You've made it up to quell the pain in your life.

What is sad is that you DON'T believe it.

[I-RIGHT-I]

Bob,

You see, that's where you're not getting it. No one is "rejecting" you. We are "accepting" you with or without any flaws that may or may not exist. YOU are the one doing the rejecting. YOU are the one showing the contempt.

If my "evaluation' is so off, why are you even bothering responding to it?

My reputation does, indeed, precede me. I doubt there's a member on here that doubts my analysis of you...except yourself. But no matter. You are hiding so deeply behind your own fear that you can't even see the truth. You've made it up to quell the pain in your life.

What is sad is that you DON'T believe it.


More of the same is the best you can do? You used to have a passion for this, a real talent. Now look at you, a shadow of your former badness. :'(

More of the same is the best you can do? You used to have a passion for this, a real talent. Now look at you, a shadow of your former badness. :'(


I've dumbed it down to "reach" you. ;D

[I-RIGHT-I]

I've dumbed it down to "reach" you. ;D


'Preciate that. I've done the same for you with the Gospel. I just try and bust you upside the head with the Book in order to get your attention. Ya got to do that when you're trying to train lazy old dogs you know. ;D ;D

'Preciate that. I've done the same for you with the Gospel. I just try and bust you upside the head with the Book in order to get your attention. Ya got to do that when you're trying to train lazy old dogs you know. ;D ;D


Something concerns me. Why do you have "contempt" for my ideas when you don't know what they are?

I have two colleagues on this board that I have spoken volumes to in private for years and neither of them have a clue what my ideas are.

How do you know what they are?

[I-RIGHT-I]

Something concerns me. Why do you have "contempt" for my ideas when you don't know what they are?

I have two colleagues on this board that I have spoken volumes to in private for years and neither of them have a clue what my ideas are.

How do you know what they are?


Because I have the supernatural ability to read what you write and understand it. In all fairness though I think I lumped you into the "group" and so the contempt is spread out a little. But you know what bothers me most about you? You just don't give a shit. :(

Because I have the supernatural ability to read what you write and understand it. In all fairness though I think I lumped you into the "group" and so the contempt is spread out a little. But you know what bothers me most about you? You just don't give a shit. :(


I'll tell you something I've never told another man in my life.

I cry over sad movies.

What I don't give a shit about is me. Every sad moment, every emotional pain of another is felt by me. I take on the sorrows of others. Such is the curse of being a keeper of souls.

You may be able to bullshit some of these people here, IRI, but you can't bullshit me. I feel everything in every word you write.

I know.

[I-RIGHT-I]

I'll tell you something I've never told another man in my life.

I cry over sad movies.

What I don't give a shit about is me. Every sad moment, every emotional pain of another is felt by me. I take on the sorrows of others. Such is the curse of being a keeper of souls.

You may be able to bullshit some of these people here, IRI, but you can't bullshit me. I feel everything in every word you write.

I know.


Yer get'n better but still have a ways to go.

Yer get'n better but still have a ways to go.


I can only give you what you are willing to take, my friend.

....... You just don't give a shit. :(



And the problem with you is you're full of shit. ::)

[arod]

What I don't give a shit about is me. Every sad moment, every emotional pain of another is felt by me. I take on the sorrows of others. Such is the curse of being a keeper of souls.

<hurl>

[blurb]

Something concerns me. Why do you have "contempt" for my ideas when you don't know what they are?

I have two colleagues on this board that I have spoken volumes to in private for years and neither of them have a clue what my ideas are.

How do you know what they are?


We all know it's meaningless, so how about YOU take the test and post the results? Huh, huh, how about it? Pretty please.

<hurl>


Yeah, I can imagine how sickening that would be to you, you being Mr. Spill Your Guts of Who I Am and all.

You are the most vague mother fucker I've ever known in my life. And I use "known" extremely loosely.

Do you realize we don't even know whether you masturbate?

You're the typical weasel that listens to everyone else's story, never shares a word about yours and has comments galore about everyone else's opinions.

Do you know how cowardly that makes you?

Everyone else does. 8)

What's really pathetic is that you probably have nothing of interest to share anyways. ::)

Yeah, I can imagine how sickening that would be to you, you being Mr. Spill Your Guts of Who I Am and all.

You are the most vague mother fucker I've ever known in my life. And I use "known" extremely loosely.

Do you realize we don't even know whether you masturbate?

You're the typical weasel that listens to everyone else's story, never shares a word about yours and has comments galore about everyone else's opinions.

Do you know how cowardly that makes you?

Everyone else does. 8)

What's really pathetic is that you probably have nothing of interest to share anyways. ::)



Maybe arod is one of those machines that spit out automatic messages. :o

Maybe arod is one of those machines that spit out automatic messages. :o


What arod is is a gutless coward who is afraid to share anything about himself because he'd be ripped to shreds...but takes great personal delight in using his knowledge of others to their disadvantage.

Not the kinda guy you'd want in a fox hole. He'd run at the first hint of danger.

[arod]

Do you know how cowardly that makes you?

Everyone else does. 8)

I don't give a damn who thinks I'm a coward. There are two beings who can be "keepers of souls": God and Dracula. Which are you?

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I don't give a damn who thinks I'm a coward. There are two beings who can be "keepers of souls": God and Dracula. Which are you?


Of course you don't care. You're so good at it everyone knows it. I even think you're proud to be a coward.

And knock off the God shit, asshole. You wouldn't know God if He sucked your nut sac. ::)

Nothing more revolting than Pretenders.

I don't give a damn who thinks I'm a coward. There are two beings who can be "keepers of souls": God and Dracula. Which are you?



God and Dracula? That's a new one. ;D

God and Dracula? That's a new one. ;D


Another welcome relief from his cut and paste "Hitler and Stalin," no?

I don't give a damn who thinks I'm a coward. There are two beings who can be "keepers of souls": God and Dracula. Which are you?


P.S. Fucking pussy. ::)

[wendy]

God and Dracula? That's a new one. ;D


You've never heard of an emotional vampire?

emotional vampire


Hmmm...this has caused a slight deja vu..

[wendy]

Hmmm...this has caused a slight deja vu..


I imagine. ;)

I imagine. ;)


I think I'm more a "Victim of Love" than an "Emotional Vampire." Don't you?

[wendy]

I think I'm more a "Victim of Love" than an "Emotional Vampire." Don't you?


If you say so. I know very few people who willingly cast themselves in the role of victim...but whatever knocks your socks off. :)

If you say so. I know very few people who willingly cast themselves in the role of victim...but whatever knocks your socks off. :)


How about an "Emotional Lemming?"

[truelies]

You've never heard of an emotional vampire?


Is that the same thing as being 'high maintainence'?

[I-RIGHT-I]

Yeah, I can imagine how sickening that would be to you, you being Mr. Spill Your Guts of Who I Am and all.

You are the most vague mother fucker I've ever known in my life. And I use "known" extremely loosely.

Do you realize we don't even know whether you masturbate?

You're the typical weasel that listens to everyone else's story, never shares a word about yours and has comments galore about everyone else's opinions.

Do you know how cowardly that makes you?

Everyone else does. 8)

What's really pathetic is that you probably have nothing of interest to share anyways. ::)


I know more about him than I do you. I guess it's just that supernatural ability of mine to be able to read and comprehend. ::)

[I-RIGHT-I]

Fuck you LS.

[wendy]

How about an "Emotional Lemming?"


You're no victim.

[wendy]

Is that the same thing as being 'high maintainence'?


Not in the financial sense.

[arod]

How about an "Emotional Lemming?"


No, I think vampire is the word we're looking for here. :)

I know more about him than I do you. I guess it's just that supernatural ability of mine to be able to read and comprehend. ::)


Well, at least YOU share personal feelings, experiences, thoughts (no matter how whacked they may be) prior to getting involved in a shitting in the punch bowl situation.

People like arod just chap my ass. Always have. They want to be "on the team" but they don't want anyone knowing what's up with them. They want to belittle without giving anyone any ammo to rip their guts out.

That's just chicken shit as far as I'm concerned.

[jeny]

Well, at least YOU share personal feelings, experiences, thoughts (no matter how whacked they may be) prior to getting involved in a shitting in the punch bowl situation.

People like arod just chap my ass. Always have. They want to be "on the team" but they don't want anyone knowing what's up with them. They want to belittle without giving anyone any ammo to rip their guts out.

That's just chicken shit as far as I'm concerned.


Fact of the matter is, you just can't stand not having anything specific to belittle him about. That IS your MO, the "personal" pot shots? Am I wrong? Build them up so you can knock them down. Hard to do if you don't know anything about the person. ;)

[arod]

People like arod just chap my ass. Always have. They want to be "on the team"

Where the hell do you get that idea?

Fact of the matter is, you just can't stand not having anything specific to belittle him about. That IS your MO, the "personal" pot shots? Am I wrong? Build them up so you can knock them down. Hard to do if you don't know anything about the person. ;)


Wow! A post without "breast" or "Lex" in it.

Mark the day.

I don't really have an MO. I shoot from the hip at all times and call it as I see 'em. If someone needs to be taken down a peg, maybe that's because they've put themselves on a pedestal that shouldn't even be there, ya know?

As for knowing things about people, I doubt seriously if I hvae to be told "in words" what's happening inside some of the minds we have on here. It's quite obvious.

[I-RIGHT-I]

Well, at least YOU share personal feelings, experiences, thoughts (no matter how whacked they may be) prior to getting involved in a shitting in the punch bowl situation.

People like arod just chap my ass. Always have. They want to be "on the team" but they don't want anyone knowing what's up with them. They want to belittle without giving anyone any ammo to rip their guts out.

That's just chicken shit as far as I'm concerned.


I know him pretty well and don't need the details of his love life or ex wife. Anything you know about me or think you know was my pleasure to provide as a public service. It doesn't make any difference to me one way or the other. But don't dodge the fact that I can get more info out of his posts than I can yours. In your own way you are VERY protective of yourself, as are most here. It's funny but I'd bet I'm one of the most open. I wonder why that is seeing I'm such a bastard?

[jeny]

Wow! A post without "breast" or "Lex" in it.

Mark the day.

Case in point. ;)

I don't really have an MO. I shoot from the hip at all times and call it as I see 'em. If someone needs to be taken down a peg, maybe that's because they've put themselves on a pedestal that shouldn't even be there, ya know?

As for knowing things about people, I doubt seriously if I hvae to be told "in words" what's happening inside some of the minds we have on here. It's quite obvious.


The thing is, it's when people won't play your game, or "offer" their neck, that's when you get really nasty.

Where the hell do you get that idea?


You're here, aren't you? You parlticipate in one-sided, single dimensional conversations on here. How exciting that must be for you.

I can do that with a cat.

Case in point. ;)The thing is, it's when people won't play your game, or "offer" their neck, that's when you get really nasty.


I ain't playing no game, babe.

[jeny]

I ain't playing no game, babe.


I just call em' like I see em', babe.

[arod]

If someone needs to be taken down a peg, maybe that's because they've put themselves on a pedestal that shouldn't even be there, ya know?

Ah, there's your problem. You think I'm up on a pedestal, and since you're shooting blind, you're thinking to get me by aiming high. :)

I just call em' like I see em', babe.


As your sig line aptly applies. I'd say you're "off track" about 40/60...which isn't bad, but in my opinion, it's barely a step up from being flat-lined.

[jeny]

As your sig line aptly applies. I'd say you're "off track" about 40/60...which isn't bad, but in my opinion, it's barely a step up from being flat-lined.


Well then, it's a really, really good thing your opinion means squat. ;)

Ah, there's your problem. You think I'm up on a pedestal, and since you're shooting blind, you're thinking to get me by aiming high. :)


No. I know you're NOT on a pedestal, Shirley. ::)

Well then, it's a really, really good thing your opinion means squat. ;)


That's correct. Now, don't you have a didie to change?

[jeny]

That's correct. Now, don't you have a didie to change?


Not right now. ;)

[arod]

You're here, aren't you?

How does that constitute being "on the team?" Is there anyone here I haven't ticked off at least once? No, unless I haven't talked to them.

You parlticipate in one-sided, single dimensional conversations on here. How exciting that must be for you.

I can do that with a cat.

Your opinion of the quality of my input here differs from mine, but I don't suppose we'll ever have a meeting of the minds on thatl. :)

[I-RIGHT-I]

No. I know you're NOT on a pedestal, Shirley. ::)


Now, now. Remember your advice to me. You can catch more flies with sugar, etc.

[I-RIGHT-I]

How does that constitute being "on the team?" Is there anyone here I haven't ticked off at least once? No, unless I haven't talked to them.

Not me sweetheart. Try harder.


Your opinion of the quality of my input here differs from mine, but I don't suppose we'll ever have a meeting of the minds on that. :)


You could share a little more. You are presenting a rather sterile personality to the uninitiated.

[jeny]

Now, now. Remember your advice to me. You can catch more flies with sugar, etc.


The two of you are similar in so many ways.

[I-RIGHT-I]

The two of you are similar in so many ways.


Me and who?

[jeny]

Me and who?


you and badnews.

[I-RIGHT-I]

you and badnews.


Men are men and it takes a serious mind to tell us apart sometimes. That's why you should tell your daughter to listen to her father when she thinks it's time to get married.

[jeny]

Men are men and it takes a serious mind to tell us apart sometimes. That's why you should tell your daughter to listen to her father when she thinks it's time to get married.


I'll be telling both my kids to listen to their Father about a lot of things, since I married a good one. ;)

Men are men and it takes a serious mind to tell us apart sometimes. That's why you should tell your daughter to listen to her father when she thinks it's time to get married.


She was far from tossing that out as a "compliment." JFYI.

It's a good thing men have more dignity and charm than telling women the truth about their particular character shortcomings, though, isn't it?

[Tiger]

Well, at least YOU share personal feelings, experiences, thoughts (no matter how whacked they may be) prior to getting involved in a shitting in the punch bowl situation.

People like arod just chap my ass. Always have. They want to be "on the team" but they don't want anyone knowing what's up with them. They want to belittle without giving anyone any ammo to rip their guts out.

That's just chicken shit as far as I'm concerned.


Far be it from me to get into another argument - but you are right, bn - it IS chickenshit.

If someone wants to keep their life and all aspects of it and their beliefs private - fine - but then they ought not go around attacking others for their private issues - just because the other is sharing and discussing them.

IF one wants to be 'in' on the discussions - lay it on the line - so to speak - anything less is dishonest in an ommisive way.

For someone to come down on you for sharing your intuitions about others and their deepest feelings without ever sharing their own is not fair.

I know you have a second-sense about you. Many others know it. IF some want to make fun of it - fine - at least be brave enough to tell us THEIR beliefs so we can return the favor.

But some here just wait to attack, attack, attack - and never expose their own vulnerability to attack.

I have a lot of respect for you bn for just that reason - you will lay it all on the line - regardless of the attack it might bring.

That makes you MUCH STRONGER in my book.

Because it show you are CONFIDENT in your beliefs. Confident enough to share - in spite of the imminent reprisal against you for not following the status-quo.

[wendy]

It's a good thing men have more dignity and charm than telling women the truth about their particular character shortcomings, though, isn't it?


Yeah, right. ;D

[arod]

For someone to come down on you for sharing your intuitions about others and their deepest feelings

You don't get it. Actually, I let stuff like that go by all the time... but in this case, I smell soul-sucking manipulation.

[Tiger]

You don't get it. Actually, I let stuff like that go by all the time... but in this case, I smell soul-sucking manipulation.


Then play fair - lay your OWN beliefs on the line before you trash other's.

BN is stating his. Belly up to the bar.

There are many of us here who get trashed all the time for stating our points of view and beliefs.

You can do whatever you like - but it is NOT the honorable thing when you attack another and his feelings - and yet will not expose your own to attack.

I respect BN for laying it on the line. He is confident enough to do that.

I respect IRI for doing the same thing - even though I disagree with some of his beliefs - but he puts them out there.

I back bn - because I know what he says is true - it holds true in my life. Just because someone has not 'felt' a connection - does not mean there is not one.

Things can be very real without being very visible to all.

[I-RIGHT-I]

She was far from tossing that out as a "compliment." JFYI.

There you go again, underestimating my powers.

It's a good thing men have more dignity and charm than telling women the truth about their particular character shortcomings, though, isn't it?


Don't look at me when you say that. I'm honest and loving and generous and would never build up someone's ego for the sake of personal gain. A good woman knows her limitations and shortcomings. Most of them earned that the hard way. I thought her response to my left uppercut was gentile and appropriate. She married a good man. Nough said.

[Tiger]

There you go again, underestimating my powers.. A good woman knows her limitations and shortcomings. Most of them earned that the hard way. .



Excuse me??

Not all of us HAVE limitations OR shortcomings. ;D 8)

[arod]

Not me sweetheart. Try harder.

I probably have, despite your denial...but even if it hasn't happened yet, it likely will. ;)

You could share a little more. You are presenting a rather sterile personality to the uninitiated.

Back at NM, Suth used to drop the "o" from my handle and insert an "i"...the cold-hearted bitch. :)

[Persephone]

The idea of "soul keeping" has come up around here many times. It has been explained as an act of giving. This is true. It is real, and it is giving. Yet it is also an act of taking, and it is nothing to be toyed with.

Thus, the term "emotional vampire." This is also true. It is the flip side of the concept of "soul keeping."

The good and the bad are all wrapped up together. One does not and cannot exist without the other.

Fuck you LS.


Praise the Lord ;D

Some Christian. ::)

[I-RIGHT-I]

You don't get it. Actually, I let stuff like that go by all the time... but in this case, I smell soul-sucking manipulation.


I agree. We've got some soul sucking going on. Fortunately you don't subscribe to that mythology.

[arod]

Then play fair - lay your OWN beliefs on the line before you trash other's.

BN is stating his. Belly up to the bar.

What the hell are you talking about? I do that all the time. Does anyone here not know how I feel about abortion or homosexuality or Israel?

There are many of us here who get trashed all the time for stating our points of view and beliefs.

I oughta know - I'm one of 'em.

You can do whatever you like - but it is NOT the honorable thing when you attack another and his feelings - and yet will not expose your own to attack.

I'm not attacking his feelings, I'm attacking his manipulation.

I respect BN for laying it on the line. He is confident enough to do that.

I respect IRI for doing the same thing - even though I disagree with some of his beliefs - but he puts them out there.

I back bn - because I know what he says is true - it holds true in my life. Just because someone has not 'felt' a connection - does not mean there is not one.

When did I ever say there was no connection? There's a connection between a vampire's fangs and a victim's throat, isn't there?

[Tiger]

The idea of "soul keeping" has come up around here many times. It has been explained as an act of giving. This is true. It is real, and it is giving. Yet it is also an act of taking, and it is nothing to be toyed with.

Thus, the term "emotional vampire." This is also true. It is the flip side of the concept of "soul keeping."

The good and the bad are all wrapped up together. One does not and cannot exist without the other.



I like that explanation.

It puts it into perspective.

Now - we just need to ascertain who the "soul vampires" are.

My vote is for the fundies determined to 'save' by restricting the freedom of the individual souls to learn and grow.

I want to be a 'kept' soul - free to experience love, reality and purity, and to share and return that to other souls - not a soul with the heart 'sucked' out of me by dogma.

But that's just me. :)

[arod]

The idea of "soul keeping" has come up around here many times. It has been explained as an act of giving. This is true. It is real, and it is giving. Yet it is also an act of taking, and it is nothing to be toyed with.

Thus, the term "emotional vampire." This is also true. It is the flip side of the concept of "soul keeping."

The good and the bad are all wrapped up together. One does not and cannot exist without the other.

Then to Hell wilth both of them.

[I-RIGHT-I]

Excuse me??

Not all of us HAVE limitations OR shortcomings. ;D 8)


Realy? Unbuckle your belt and take a look down the front of your drawers. That's your first clue. Sorry, that's just the way it is.

you and badnews.



I take that as a personal insult to badnews. ;)

[I-RIGHT-I]

I take that as a personal insult to badnews. ;)


Fuck you LS

[Tiger]

What the hell are you talking about? I do that all the time. Does anyone here not know how I feel about abortion or homosexuality or Israel?

We know the strict laws you adhere to - but NOT why. You have never shared WHY you came to those conclusions. Many of us share those on a day to day basis. What are the feelings behind your stances arod? You are only giving us the surface stances. I want to know what makes you tick. I tell what makes me tick. You dont like it. You trash it. So tell me what is at the heart of your heart. Why is everything black and white for you? Who kicked you around?

I oughta know - I'm one of 'em.I'm not attacking his feelings, I'm attacking his manipulation.

No - you attacked his feelings that he could interface with other souls - feel their energy and lend them love and support. How could his claims possibly be manipulation?

He is talking about the way the process 'feels' to him. How he 'keeps' souls. He described it as love. That is a feeling. It is a genuine, deep-down baring of the soul. It deserves respect. And more than that - give him the benefit of the doubt. Just because YOU do not 'feel' it - does not make him a manipulator. He isn't. I feel it too.

Love is not a manipulation - it is a gift. Share it with us.

Fuck you LS



I read this whole thread, you're full of shit IRI ... of course I wasn't surprised.

[I-RIGHT-I]

I read this whole thread, you're full of shit IRI ... of course I wasn't surprised.


Read the whole thread??? I'm impressed. Feel free to single out any theological arguments and expound on our differences. Feel free to single out any of my signature boot in the ass licks and tell me how un-Christian I am. Coming from someone trained in Moronism I'd be very interested.

We know the strict laws you adhere to - but NOT why. You have never shared WHY you came to those conclusions. Many of us share those on a day to day basis. What are the feelings behind your stances arod? You are only giving us the surface stances. I want to know what makes you tick. I tell what makes me tick. You dont like it. You trash it. So tell me what is at the heart of your heart. Why is everything black and white for you? Who kicked you around?No - you attacked his feelings that he could interface with other souls - feel their energy and lend them love and support. How could his claims possibly be manipulation?

He is talking about the way the process 'feels' to him. How he 'keeps' souls. He described it as love. That is a feeling. It is a genuine, deep-down baring of the soul. It deserves respect. And more than that - give him the benefit of the doubt. Just because YOU do not 'feel' it - does not make him a manipulator. He isn't. I feel it too.

Love is not a manipulation - it is a gift. Share it with us.



Aren't we allowed to our privacy? Only an idiot would come here and spill his guts out. As far as debate goes arod is right in there, more than most people, we don't need to know if he 'masturbates', that's crazy. Personally I don't want to know too much about him or anybody here, it's not like we're family or anything.

What is really stupid is people who come here to preach.

[Tiger]

Aren't we allowed to our privacy? Only an idiot would come here and spill his guts out. As far as debate goes arod is right in there, more than most people, we don't need to know if he 'masturbates', that's crazy. Personally I don't want to know too much about him or anybody here, it's not like we're family or anything.

What is really stupid is people who come here to preach.



Sure he debates - but from a safe distance.

And we all have a right to privacy - but to attack 'feelings' from someone who is brave enough to share them and then hide one's own from scrutiny is not playing fair. Not in MY book anyway.

[arod]

We know the strict laws you adhere to - but NOT why. You have never shared WHY you came to those conclusions. Many of us share those on a day to day basis. What are the feelings behind your stances arod?

It isn't feeling - it's knowing. Why do I think anal sex is disgusting? Why does anyone think it isn't?

You are only giving us the surface stances. I want to know what makes you tick. I tell what makes me tick.

But you don't know what makes you tick - you just think you do. At least I am aware of my ignorance in that regard.

You dont like it. You trash it. So tell me what is at the heart of your heart. Why is everything black and white for you?

Why is it not for you?

Who kicked you around?

Who confused you?

No - you attacked his feelings that he could interface with other souls - feel their energy and lend them love and support.

It is difficult to hold a conversation with someone who inisists on arguing a point their opponent never made.

How could his claims possibly be manipulation?

He is talking about the way the process 'feels' to him. How he 'keeps' souls. He described it as love.

Uh huh. Reminds me of a wildlife show I saw where a mountain lion took a deer, and after it had its fill, it played with the corpse oh so gently, which prompted the narrator to speculate that the lion had "love" for its prey.

That is a feeling. It is a genuine, deep-down baring of the soul. It deserves respect.

Zat mean you're gonna shower the pedophile who shows up here "baring his soul" with respect?

And more than that - give him the benefit of the doubt. Just because YOU do not 'feel' it - does not make him a manipulator. He isn't. I feel it too.

Hey - so do I. I just have a lot better idea of what's underneath it than you do.

Love is not a manipulation - it is a gift. Share it with us.

You don't know what love is yet.

Sure he debates - but from a safe distance.

And we all have a right to privacy - but to attack 'feelings' from someone who is brave enough to share them and then hide one's own from scrutiny is not playing fair. Not in MY book anyway.





They go at each other all the time, bad posts what he wants and arod posts what he wants, what's wrong with that? My guess is you'd better not say anything you wouldn't want thrown in your face, or things you hold dear to have someone piss on because this is a forum made up of all kinds of people, it's not a household of family members with mom and dad watching out that it doesn't get out of hand. There really is very little mercy here.