Leave Zimbabwe Alone

[lgllady]

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=EP1O4C0GXKHTICRBAEKSF EY?type=topNews&storyID=1904077

Robert Mugabe has demanded that civilized nations leave his country alone. If not, he has promised to ratchet up the
violence against the whites still living there. Since he kills them and tortures them it would be pretty hard to ratchet
up the violence. I mean, we're talking about a cretin that wraps infants in paper, then in plastic then sets fire to the bundle.

This time I agree with Mugabe. The few whites still there should be evacuated out and the nation left totally alone. Nothing goes
in nothing comes out. It is ripe to become a haven for terrorists, if it's not already. All humanitarian aid should be stopped. Let famine
and AIDS allowed to rampage. If anyone survives, perhaps they will be ready for civilization.

[Meshuga Mikey]

I cant convieve of anything to add to your expressed choice of actions for the WEST~~!! LET EM GO STRAIGHT TO HELL-NOW~!!!

[truelies]

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=EP1O4C0GXKHTICRBAEKSF EY?type=topNews&storyID=1904077

Robert Mugabe has demanded that civilized nations leave his country alone. If not, he has promised to ratchet up the
violence against the whites still living there. Since he kills them and tortures them it would be pretty hard to ratchet
up the violence. I mean, we're talking about a cretin that wraps infants in paper, then in plastic then sets fire to the bundle.

This time I agree with Mugabe. The few whites still there should be evacuated out and the nation left totally alone. Nothing goes
in nothing comes out. It is ripe to become a haven for terrorists, if it's not already. All humanitarian aid should be stopped. Let famine
and AIDS allowed to rampage. If anyone survives, perhaps they will be ready for civilization.


The place is not becoming a cesspool because most of the people are black, but because those with the guns are communists.

[co-be]

2. co-be will post 20 messages saying, "Viva Zimbabwe" and how he can't wait for them to take us evil white Americans over and kill us for our land.

co-be) LOL. Jeremy is off his rocker.

[lgllady]

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=EP1O4C0GXKHTICRBAEKSF EY?type=topNews&storyID=1904077

Robert Mugabe has demanded that civilized nations leave his country alone. If not, he has promised to ratchet up the
violence against the whites still living there. Since he kills them and tortures them it would be pretty hard to ratchet
up the violence. I mean, we're talking about a cretin that wraps infants in paper, then in plastic then sets fire to the bundle.

This time I agree with Mugabe. The few whites still there should be evacuated out and the nation left totally alone. Nothing goes
in nothing comes out. It is ripe to become a haven for terrorists, if it's not already. All humanitarian aid should be stopped. Let famine
and AIDS allowed to rampage. If anyone survives, perhaps they will be ready for civilization.


The place is not becoming a cesspool because most of the people are black, but because those with the guns are communists.


No, close, but no. Communists are civilized.

The place is becoming a cesspool because the black leaders despise white people so much that they reject everything
they developed, thought and stood for. They hate whites more than they care about their own. Skin color has nothing
to do with culture or civilization, both of which is sadly lacking. The africans are savages, not because they are black.
They are savages AND they are black. The two don't necessarily go together. Robert Mugabe is insane. Yet his insanity
is ignored by the west. The results of his insanity is ignored and/or glossed over precisely because he is black.
The west allows savages to excuse every act of depravity on white racisim. Because whites were racist, the livestock
on the farms must be killed, the fields growing wheat burned and black babies raped.

Zimbabwe should be left alone not because they are black, but because they have to be allowed to grow out of their
savagery on their own.

[sodaknomad]

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=EP1O4C0GXKHTICRBAEKSF EY?type=topNews&storyID=1904077

Robert Mugabe has demanded that civilized nations leave his country alone. If not, he has promised to ratchet up the
violence against the whites still living there. Since he kills them and tortures them it would be pretty hard to ratchet
up the violence. I mean, we're talking about a cretin that wraps infants in paper, then in plastic then sets fire to the bundle.

This time I agree with Mugabe. The few whites still there should be evacuated out and the nation left totally alone. Nothing goes
in nothing comes out. It is ripe to become a haven for terrorists, if it's not already. All humanitarian aid should be stopped. Let famine
and AIDS allowed to rampage. If anyone survives, perhaps they will be ready for civilization.


You forgot one small detail, LGL. Mugabe has all the food. He'll be eating well during the famine.

[The Guardian]

lgllady: Hmmm.. It sounds like the equivalent of the Inferno for 'em. And on second thought, probably not a bad idea either.

[truelies]

[quote author=lgllady

........... Communists are civilized..............

[/quote]

As a point of fact, they are not. What is going on in Zimbabwe is Classic destruction of political opponents by a Communist Party. The destruction and the Method are repeated WHENEVER these monsters come to Power.

Stalin in Ukraine
Mao in China
Pol Pot in Cambodia
Shining Path in Peru
Mugabe in Zimbabwe

and many places in between

The Races, Nationalities and Religions change but the commie method of starvation as a tool of terror does NOT.

If the Leftists in America ever get control of the guns and thus the State, plan on famine in NYC, Chicago and LA about three years later. No doubt the farmers of Kansas, Nebraska and Iowa would go to the wall for wrecking the various Green organic farming initiatives that would be part of Marxism in America. Point is that there are folks who egg eachother on at places like DU who given the opportunity would use starvation to subdue the type of 'class enemy' we see on NOPC. Not just us but our kids & grankids also. sounds pretty Savage doesn't it?

[Poppa Bear]

I agree with leaving Zimbabwe alone. Leave the animals alone to starve and the land will be useful for humans again. >:(

[kathleen]

Hi Poppa! Long time. Hope you and yours are doing well.

It is an unfortunate situation (what is happening with Mugabe and his "resettlement" program). If I was a white farmer I would have bugged out a long time ago. And the people taking over have no idea how to run functional and productive farms (it certainly isn't knowledge one is born with). While the citizens (both black and white) should have the right to a share of the wealth (if they work for it), this is a perfect example of going about it the wrong way. They are literally biting the hand that is feeding them. Perhaps they will learn from this lesson.

I disagree this is a story being ignored by the western media. There seems to be ongoing coverage about it. And I think that international aid will follow - wasn't Mugabe one of Washington's "favorites" at one time?

[co-be]

Me: LOL. Jeremy is off his rocker.


Jeremy: Yeah, HA HA!

Hey, Cesar Chavez, aren't you too old to be jacking around on the internet?

Or did your nursing home just get net access?

Nuke Mecca Now!

Me again: Thanks for proving my point, Jeremy.

Truelies,

"(communists are civilized)

As a point of fact, they are not. What is going on in Zimbabwe is Classic destruction of political opponents by a Communist Party. The destruction and the Method are repeated WHENEVER these monsters come to Power.

Stalin in Ukraine
Mao in China
Pol Pot in Cambodia
Shining Path in Peru
Mugabe in Zimbabwe

and many places in between

The Races, Nationalities and Religions change but the commie method of starvation as a tool of terror does NOT."

Exactly.

"If the Leftists in America ever get control of the guns and thus the State, plan on famine in NYC, Chicago and LA about three years later. No doubt the farmers of Kansas, Nebraska and Iowa would go to the wall for wrecking the various Green organic farming initiatives that would be part of Marxism in America. Point is that there are folks who egg eachother on at places like DU who given the opportunity would use starvation to subdue the type of 'class enemy' we see on NOPC. Not just us but our kids & grankids also. sounds pretty Savage doesn't it?"

What leftists are you talking about? And what's DU?

There are extremists of all sorts who wouldn't hesitate to resort to mass murder. For instance, look at fascist reich wing nuts Jeremy and Mikey calling for "Nuke Mecca Now"
with - at the very least tacit - ascent from most of the reich wingers here.

[IM]

Thales,

It's too bad that you are so fucking stupid that you have never been able to comprehend what I have been saying over time.

LgLady,

I think that if you look close enough to Mugabe, you probably will see that he was placed in power because he supported the imperialists who actually had control through use of military force.

Also, I think that when you post up stuff about Africa in a forum full of racists(not saying that you are one, because it doesn't seem like you would be), perhaps its good to not only try showing the nations in Africa that are fucking up, but why not try looking to other nations like Uganda, or focus on the African United nations that are coming. This is an entity like the EU, and it has come about in discussion in various African- African American
summits.

When you mention Mugabe, why not try mentioning that in 1997 the African nations decided sat the African African American summit that they would not support nations that are violating human rights, and refuse democracy.

Why not talk about Joe Madison and African leaders that have worked very hard to reduce or end slavery in the Sudan.

Regardless of what thales thinks, I know something about what has gone in in the world of African politics, because of business associations earlier in life. What most people here refuse to accept is that the influence whites have had upon those nations are not all positive, nor was Africa undeveloped
before the white man got there.

We also seem to forget that there are some very precious jewels and irons under the ground in Africa which the white man has gotten control of by use
of military force. This cannot be denied or ignored, although I expect you people to try it.

Remember Mobutu. He was placed in that nation after the CIA had Patrice Lumumba murdered. Then as Mobutu became one of the worst dictators in history, this government and racist whites like Poppa Bear, or true lies and others here, sat on their asses and wanted to promote our moral superiority over an individual we put into power.

You dumb ass conservatives better wake up and do so before it's too late. because Chomsky was correct when he described American actions that have murdered millions more than 9-11 did. You are mad at Osama Bin Laden for the deaths of 3,000 Americans. Yet you conservatives are to stupid to understand that Osama Bin Laden and others could be a little upset with Americas terrorism, which has counted for millions of murders since this nation began business in 1776.

8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

[lgllady]

Africans are truly superior to the imperialistic white man who forcibly ended cultural traditions like cannibalism. The africans should be allowed to show dem white guys some true superiority, such as how raping babies cures AIDS. Yes Africa is certainly better now that apartheid is over and the whites killed off.

Instead of the cities the explotation of Africa's natural resources brought to the continent, the europeans should have left the native africans to continue their tribal wars. They went right back to it when the euros left anyway. Instead of colleges and universities, the euros should have left them to their mud villages.

I am not being sarcastic. I really believe Africa should be left alone. I really believe that such savagery cannot be dragged kicking and screaming into the modern world. It only results in savages inhabiting the modern world. They need to solve their problems themselves, with as much blood and guts as it takes.

[lucy]

It is genocide of the black population because most of the whites who can are leaving....

pathetic.

[lgllady]

If it's genocide of the black population at least it's politically correct genocide because they are killing each other.

The correct term for a white who hasn't left Zimbabwe is "dead".

[IM]

Lglady,

I think that when we talk of the continent of Africa, saying that all africans were cannibals is defientely bullshit and incorrect. Certainly there were some nomadic tribes that were, yet you probably can search and find tribes of nomadic whites who did the same thing.

But that is not the point.

The point is that a lot of what the white man learned, he was taught by Moors. Moors were Africans, and that's truth. Of course I'll see what type of person you are, if you will post up the Sub Saharan African v. the North African argument.

If your position is leave Zimbabwe alone, that's fine, but to say that every thing there was developed by the white man, and that all "civilized" thinking was done by the white man is ludicrous and racist. All the white man has done is mine gold, silver and diamonds. The only reason Africa remains of interest to whites today is because there is oil on the continent.

This has always been the problem, white imperialism. And regardless of how you want to take it, history shows this to be correct.

[truelies]

[quote author=IM

The point is that a lot of what the white man learned, he was taught by Moors. Moors were Africans, and that's truth.

[/quote]

Got any documentation or are you just beating your gums, IM???????

[lgllady]

IM is right. The jungles of Africa were once home to gleaming cities soaring high into the sky. Their mastery over physics and mechanics gave the African tribes miraculous machines that could fly before the first white man set foot out of his caves. Africans developed cures for diseases that puzzle scientists to this day. Africa had huge universities where learned professors taught their students everything from the arts and humanities to medicine and science.

It was unfortunately all stolen by space aliens who left nothing but the jungle behind.

[IM]

Thales,

Moroccans are not white. They would be classified as light skinned blacks in some cases, and in others there are darker skinned Moroccans. But that's not what I was trying to say, the fact is that regardless of the complexion, they were Africans. They were not cannibals, they had culture and had some creativity.

I think that by defending these people I show my pride in their achievements.

LgLady,

I think that the great flood may have had something to do with what happened to Africa. Then later on, imperialism, and the colonialism which went with it. Included inthat colonialism was the attempt to take away all identity by teaching africans history with the European perspective. Then we are taught that same history, and propaganda which shows us that Africans are only running around barely clothed and eating each other.

They are characterized as poor, yet the wealth contained in these nations has been controlled by European nations who did so at the point of a gun.

If every nation in Africa decided to reject Europeans and started development and control of their natural resources, there would be no nation in the world that could compete economically. This is why Europe and America will continue putting people like Mugabe into power, so that they can control the economies in tese nations.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[lgllady]

I take it you are being sarcastic.

I appreciate a little well placed sarcasm.

[lgllady]

And the arabs themselves are Aryan. Most people either forget that, or just don't want to know but yes, arabs are an Aryan people.

They are not black.

[tonyg]

The moors were a mix of the Arabs, Romans and Phoenicians together with blacks. In literature they are usually described as dark skinned, and the people of north africa today tend to range from middle eastern looking to black.

The whole categorization of "whites" and "blacks" is a fairly recent invention.

There were a number of civilizations in Africa, both northern and subsaharan. However, if I remember correctly they were already by and large extinct (except the Arab/north africans) at the time of colonialism starting and so colonialism can not be completely to blame either.

"Aryans"...that's nazi pseudoscience. Aryans were a central asian people who invaded India. Neither Germans or Arabs are Aryans.

The problem with Mugabe is that he is a dictator (kind of like Mini Bush) and not that he is black.

Just as you can't blame the problems of, for example, Albania and Romania for them being white.

Racism is a form of collectivism, just as with dictatorship, state socialism and theocracy, and fascism/corporatism.

[IM]

Lglady, Thatles, Tonyg
Suddenly Moors have become Aryan. Interesting.

This tells me something about you. I mean well respected professors have studied the influence the moors had on europe, and these professors have not said that the Moors were aryans.

And tonyg, I don't think that these populations were nearly extinct. The slave trade is evidence of this fact.

We must be able to call fact, fact, and not deny if we are going to grow. Yes imperialistic ideology as well as the subsequent colonialism which followed is the root cause to the problems in Africa today.

This is why people like Mugabe have been empowered. It was why people like Botha was empowered in SOuth Africa, and why Mobutu was empowered in the Congo(i believe).


Sarcastic about what?

The funny part has you describing the Moors as aryans, while there are a bunch of studies which say differently. But I would expect that here in a forum which started with statements that deny Africa any culture besides that of what white people brought to it.

[lgllady]

Don't blame me! I got the info from a National Geographic Special. Then I asked my Pakistani secretary if it was true since she's from there and she said that the info was accurate.

[tonyg]

IM:This tells me something about you. I mean well respected professors have studied the influence the moors had on europe, and these professors have not said that the Moors were aryans.

Tony: That's what I said, they were not Aryans. I said the whole thing about whites and especially Aryans is nazi pseudoscience.

IM: And tonyg, I don't think that these populations were nearly extinct. The slave trade is evidence of this fact.

Tony: The populations were not extinct, but the civilizations were. Except for, I believe, one West African kingdom. However, there were other African kingdoms from the past that had built impressive cities, but before the time of european colonialism those cities were already in ruins.

IM: We must be able to call fact, fact, and not deny if we are going to grow. Yes imperialistic ideology as well as the subsequent colonialism which followed is the root cause to the problems in Africa today.

Tony: That's definitely one of the problems. But it's not the only one. Colonialism and imperialism is a form of collectivism, but so is state socialism and dictatorship.

[IM]

tonyg,

My fault.

I should have addressed each separately. No you did not, it was LgLady who said the Arabs were Aryans, and Thales claims that the Berbers were also white, with the rest arabs.

I look at the continent of Africa, and even more specifically at Zimbabwe, and see the exact thing that has kept every nation wondering around durting post colonial takeover.

I mean in India, the Brits left, and the nation was divided, eventually forming Pakistan, and if I am not wrong, Bangladesh.

Why?

Because those who played the game got the benfits of wealth, controlled that same wealth, and would use any means necessary to keep it. Some governments were empowered militarily so that they could distabilize governments that those who had "interests" in this area opposed.

Suddenly we get dictators, and totalitarianist governments, because the perosn who controlled the military came in to power with weapons, finances, or training from other nations to include America. I believe that if you take a look at Mugabe, you will see that he probably has some connection with large corporate money in the United States.

But some people in this forum will pull up this shit, and post it up out here to say, "hey look, africans are immoral creatures, savage animals, and we should leave them alone until they get civlized like we are. "

And when this happens it's time for those who are a little more intelligent to say, hey wait a minute, what you are saying is not so black and white. OUr country has some responsibility for what is going on over there, and there is a reason Mugabe has asked whites to leavce his country alone. There is also a reason he is killing white farmers. Not saying that this type of reasoning is right, but I think that when a person decides to take such drastic actions, we should get a background on the events which would lead an individual to do such things.

But some here do not want to see such a background because it would spoil their reason to hate Mugabe.

[lgllady]

Mugabe has asked that Zimbabwe be left alone. We should respect that. Let them live in the cesspool they created.

[Jethro Tull]

Mugabe was one of two guerrilla commanders who forced out the white government of Rhodesia, which had functioned much like the South Africans, except the laws were not quite so pervasive. The other was a man named Nkomo, if memory serves. Nkomo's army was larger and had done most of the early fighting, but Mugabe's fighters finished off the colonials. They agreed to a power-sharing arrangement, but at the first opportunity Mugabe double-crossed Nkomo and siezed power for himself. He turned the new nation of Zimbabwe into a Marxist dictatorship.

Gradually, the economy which had been the pride of Africa (South Africa had a greater GDP, but only due to greater resources like gold and diamond mines)deteriorated. They had always been a major food exporter, but the large farms came under increasing pressure as the Mugabe regime had to tax the wealthy farmers due to their failures managing the rest of the economy.

Today, the breadbasket of Africa faces slow starvation. As with many other former colonies, they succumbed to Marxism, dictatorships, and kleptocracy.

[Flyrod]

Mugabe was one of two guerrilla commanders who forced out the white government of Rhodesia, which had functioned much like the South Africans, except the laws were not quite so pervasive. The other was a man named Nkomo, if memory serves. Nkomo's army was larger and had done most of the early fighting, but Mugabe's fighters finished off the colonials. They agreed to a power-sharing arrangement, but at the first opportunity Mugabe double-crossed Nkomo and siezed power for himself. He turned the new nation of Zimbabwe into a Marxist dictatorship.

Gradually, the economy which had been the pride of Africa (South Africa had a greater GDP, but only due to greater resources like gold and diamond mines)deteriorated. They had always been a major food exporter, but the large farms came under increasing pressure as the Mugabe regime had to tax the wealthy farmers due to their failures managing the rest of the economy.

Today, the breadbasket of Africa faces slow starvation. As with many other former colonies, they succumbed to Marxism, dictatorships, and kleptocracy.


JT, ain't that the damn truth! We should cut foreign aid by 50%, as our economic system is not designed to prop up every system of government in the world! The USA keeps getting it's teeth kicked in for giving more or less aid to this country or that!!! It's like dope, once they get it, the more they want!!!
;D

[cobe]

Cut foreign aid by 100%.

Mugabe is a socialist dictator. It doesn't matter if he's yellow, black, or green with purple polkadots. The same thing is going on in North Korea, and yet the Asians have some
of the world's best and fastest growing economies in other countries.

As for Africa, the best economy there is the north of Somalia.

You can read about it at

http://pantheon.yale.edu/~jps35/Social_Order_without_the_State.doc

and

http://www.independent.org/tii/news/980600MacCallum.html




Yes...free market anarchism works!

LGL,

What national geographic issue?

[Flyrod]

Cut foreign aid by 100%.

Mugabe is a socialist dictator. It doesn't matter if he's yellow, black, or green with purple polkadots. The same thing is going on in North Korea, and yet the Asians have some
of the world's best and fastest growing economies in other countries.

As for Africa, the best economy there is the north of Somalia.

You can read about it at

http://pantheon.yale.edu/~jps35/Social_Order_without_the_State.doc

and

http://www.independent.org/tii/news/980600MacCallum.html




Yes...free market anarchism works!

LGL,

What national geographic issue?

Bush Police State??? Impeach Bush??? IN LARGE LETTERS??? Hell, Clinton administration tried to play politics and pass more gun ownership laws every time there were some shootings in a high school or somewhere as if to imply that guns would be unavailable to law abiding citizens or something. Like the laws against drug usage don't prevent drug usage!!! Clintoon tried to be the police state over and over and over!!!! Hell the constitution , the law of the land is ignored, what makes you think other little legislated laws will mean anything??? Gun ownership prevents a police state!!!! Can you imagine millions of snipers like those in DC?? This ain't England or Australia!!!!! Hope you get my drift!!!!! Damn!!!!!!

[truelies]

Bottom line- Black Africa never produced anything in the way of civilization on a par with Greece/Rome, The Han Chinese or India. Inspite of any Blatherings of Vernon Jefferies that IM may have read. Nations which under European Colonial Rule -Ivory Coast/Ghana had achieved a level of economic developement equal to the poorer European nations have slipped back into the Third World gutter under the Black tugocracies which uniformly replaced the Colonial Governments in the 1960's. French and British Colonial masters were the best Government that the average Black African is EVER likely to get.

[IM]

Trueiles should have shown everone here that racism is still alive in the United States.

To make it short and sweet racist bastard,

I know what I am talking about, and no amount of blathering from David Duke, or Tom Metzger, etc., etc., wiill change the truth.

LgLady,

Perhaps we should leave Zimbabwe aloone, after all we had a hand in creating the mess that is there now. Don't sit on your ass behind a computer and deny that. Of course I expect you too, it serves your purpose.

Do you guys know that racism comes from an actual feeling of inferiroity. Because you feel inferior, you have to make up stuff or deny things in order to make yourselves feel better than someone else.

All,

Mugabe is a dictator and that's fucked up. But how did he get into power? I think the short story has been described here. But the long story needs to be understood before we pass judgement. Since we are responsible for assisting the rulers in the southern Region of Africa in maintaining apartheid, then we are responsible for creating Mugabes ability to come to power.

Therefore no one in America should be saying anything about civilized nations and uncivilized nations anywhere in the world. We are the number 1 rogue nation, and in fact we are inspecting Hussien, claiming that he must destroy all his weapons of mass destruction. What will happen to us the day when the world tells us that we too, need to destroy our weapons of mass destruction?

Stop being fucking hypocrites!

[cobe]

"Bush Police State??? Impeach Bush??? IN LARGE LETTERS???"

Yes.

"!!!! Hell the constitution , the law of the land is ignored,"

Which means the (p)resident should be impeached.

"Trueiles should have shown everone here that racism is still alive in the United States.

To make it short and sweet racist bastard,

I know what I am talking about, and no amount of blathering from David Duke, or Tom Metzger, etc., etc., wiill change the truth."

Preach it!

"Do you guys know that racism comes from an actual feeling of inferiroity. Because you feel inferior, you have to make up stuff or deny things in order to make yourselves feel better than someone else."

U got that right.

"We are the number 1 rogue nation"

Too true.


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