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LanceALott
10-05-2002, 06:54 AM
THE FALL

It snowed yesterday, but here in Wyoming the leaves are still green, the flowers still bloom, birds still fly, and newborn babies still cry.

The snow yesterday, ‘twas the first breath of fall. It’s coming, but it’s late this year. September 11 is about the time of Wyoming’s annual anticipated first snow, the first white cleansing touch of fall each year. Last year fall came nearly the same day we watched the Towers fall. But the gods are kind this year.

I love the green trees and bushes in my yard, love wife’s beautiful flowers even more; and I love the country of my birth, the country where the gods have been good, where many towers, like Wyoming’s Devil’s Tower still stand tall this fall.

I remember the panic of last October when the anthrax letters, and the deaths, began to show up in our land. What was it, five or six anthrax deaths? And over a hundred West Nile deaths this year. Even so, thank God it’s quite a small percentage of the 280 million Americans. We all had a much better chance of winning the lottery than being killed by terrorists in the worst year America has ever known.

Yet, look what we did! Went to war, an unending war, a war that’s impossible to ever really win, blindly struck out at Afghanistan, Taliban, and Al-Qeada; and eventually we are prepared to strike at all people from Muslim countries and even ready to verbally strike out at our friends in the UN.

We suspended the Constitution because we were scared, scared of those diaper-heads and camel-jockeys, scared of terrorists, scared of real and imaginary terrorists, scared of anyone who might not exactly love us, scared of people who were our friends until we stepped hard on them with the jackboots of America’s new and growing Nazi-like police state.

“To Hell with the law. We’ve got to defend ourselves!” And we did, defend ourselves against every threat, whether real or imagined, defend ourselves against every shadow behind the Bush, every shadow except the shadowy characters who stole the election in Florida and put the illegitimate and illiterate idiot President in power at a time when America sorely needed the smartest leadership we could find.

Isn’t paranoia wonderful? It is characterized by an unreasonable fear, a fear of the unknown, a fear of people who look different, fear of people who do not like us, fear of people we know have damn good reasons to hate us because our military killed their babies while our corporations raped and robbed their land.

Unreasonable fear is the megaton weapon of every terrorist.

Knock down a few tall buildings, and punch a hole in a five-sided building, strike a death blow at the heart of America’s real ruling establishment: The Military-Industrial Complex; hurt us badly, kill some very important and very powerful people, scare the right people; and then all the terrorist has to do is crawl back into the shadows and let our natural fears take over, fears which after the terrorists did their thing and disappeared are once again unreasonable.

I swear it is the instant replay of the hit-and-run tactics of Indian Chief Geronimo, improved over the years by T.E. Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia), by Trotsky, by Ho Chi Minh, Castro, Mao, Che Guevara, and apparently by Osama bin Laden.

Or was it some other general we do not even know who was always out there in the shadows behind the Bush? Some hit-and-run general that pushed the button to make the scared establishment lash out in the dark, do many things they should not do as they respond to their paranoia? Was it perhaps even some American general, a general like Al Haig of Reagan’s assassination crisis who said, “I’m in charge here.”

General Al was in no way legally in line to take over the powers of the injured and incapacitated President. But you know what I think? I think Al had in fact scooped up the dropped football; the communications device that always goes with the President, the communications device from which America’s command to fire every one of our nuclear weapons could be given; and Al had the secret codes to give that order.

So the truth was, no matter what the law said, at that point in time General Al was in fact the Commander-in-Chief for all practical purposes. It was a coup de’tat, and the coup plotter was none other than General Paranoia.

So here we were in the fall of 2001, at the beginning of the fall of America, with an illegitimate, illiterate, incompetent, idiot President; and General Paranoia just knocked down the Towers. If you were some new Al Haig, would you trust the National Security of America to dumb Dubya, or even to some greedy capitalist Dick like Cheney that you know does not have the heart to do the dirty job? Or would you pick up the football and behind the scenes tell all people in the Visible Government what to say and what to do, and remind them of a President named Kennedy who refused to take orders from the General Paranoia of his time?

Hurt and kill some of the real establishment, and then let the paranoia of those who survived do its thing and run its course.

There is always fear, unreasonable fear, in every land. Under normal conditions the sane people can and will put a lid on the paranoids amongst them and keep them in check. But when the tallest Towers fall in the fall, when even five-sided buildings suddenly blow to hell on impact; and inside, unprepared, even generals and captains of industry are caught with their pants down, in the restroom taking their morning crap, well, after that plane flew up their butt, no sane person was ever going to get control of those surviving and scared generals and captains.

“Spare no cost! Kill the bastards who are responsible for this catastrophe! Kill everyone who might be thinking of ever trying this again! Arrest every young male of Mid East origin who is in the country! Hold their ass in jail, beat the crap out of them until they confess, and keep it up until Hell freezes over if they won’t confess! Don’t even let them talk to anyone, not even a lawyer, especially not to a lawyer! I don’t give a good god dam what the law says! To Hell with the law! This is my ass we are defending!”

With only four planes, two Towers, a five-sided building full of stars, and a hole in the ground in Pennsylvania, whoever was behind the Fall last fall did in fact destroy the fragile established visible American government, a sane government which has now been replaced by a government that runs on fear; and since the terrorists are gone, dead or run and hid, the fear which rules us is an unreasonable fear, paranoia.

Sane America fell last fall. General Paranoia has taken over. We don’t need to impeach Dubya. For all practical purposes because of his low intelligence he has always been a puppet President, a puppet manipulated by people who had brains but no conscience. George is a visible figurehead with no more real power than the idiot Prince Charles of England.

So, birds still fly, babies still cry, the leaves are still green, Devil’s Tower still stands, and America is firmly in the hands of the Invisible Government, a government that Ayn Rand Libertarians will note does not run for profit. It’s a National Security government that even the richest capitalist cannot bribe!

It’s a government that runs for security, safety, for the common good. That does not describe a capitalist system. No matter what we now call it, out of the Necessity to overcome our own paranoia, the real rugged individualism system has become a top-down National Socialist system. Capitalism fell last fall.

And if the Capitalists ever try to make a comeback, I think the terrorists will also come back like the sniper in Maryland; and then for a fleeting moment the fear will once again be real.

I think the change is permanent, Capitalism is history, we cannot go back. The War on Terrorism, declared by the terrorists, will never end until there are no more newborn babies to cry; or until America gets new leaders who have both brains and a conscience, because without both Liberty and Justice for all becomes an impossible dream, a nightmare that creates those new terrorists who must try to wake up the world.

Oh, well, birds still fly… and either we adapt or die.

IM
10-07-2002, 03:45 PM
Tim,

I agree. 9-11 was the opening bell of the final round of humanity, or the first round of a new way of living.

The first way will end civilization and millions will die.

The last way builds a new world where people understand that one nation cannot dominate the will of the worlds citizens.

I'm afriad that the path dubya is arrogantly choosing is the path of annhilation. You know it, and at least 63 percent of all Americans know it too, as they say that we should give the inspectors a chance to do their jobs before we strike.

But dubya and his advisors refusing to listen to the will of the people who did NOT elect him, is going on TV tonight to state his case for the pre-emptive strike that is about to happen whether we want it or not.

The will of the majority doesn't matter to George W. Bush, and that is what the constitution was supposed to protect us from, tyrants doing as they please.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!

LanceALott
10-09-2002, 04:59 AM
What fell is all hope of saving pure capitalism.

LanceALott
10-09-2002, 05:09 AM
The Fall of Capitalism

What has fallen is Capitalism. America does not run on the quest of profits as the prime driving force, especially not since 911. It's now about survival, not money.

In reality, the American National Socialism system went into effect just out of sight in 1947 when Truman signed the National Security Act that created the “Invisible Government,” better known as the National Security Apparatus or CIA.

But, if we really want to take an honest look at history, Capitalism fell in October 1929 when the Stock Market crashed and FDR had no other sane choice for America to survive except to embrace a form of Socialism in America. Later it was a fear of FDR’s Socialism that made the die-hard “capitalists” create the Invisible Government in the mistaken belief it would protect their money and power.

Now, after 911, it is becoming increasingly clear that the “capitalists” created a monster that has/will eat up the capitalists themselves as it grasps all power in the name of security, all power including the power of rich men’s money.

Jeremy, America already has the same kind of National Socialist system Hitler had. And you are right: Right/Left wing is merely a misleading label, a cover to hide behind, a con job for both capitalists and would be communists, a barricade from which both sides throw verbal shit at each other.

So what is National Socialism? -- It’s a synthesis of capitalism and socialism, but it’s mostly a synthesis of all that’s bad about both systems. Even so, it is a system that permits short-term survival under the most adverse circumstances. It’s a necessary step in the evolution of government.

The American system, stripped of all the Left/Right propaganda, is already dominated by socialism; and just like all NS systems when they are young, it is characterized by leaders who do not know what the hell they are doing, leaders like dumb Dubya, Hitler, and Stalin; leaders into whose hands nearly all power is concentrated, leaders who virtually have the power to play God, but leaders who don’t even come close to having enough brains to do that dirty job.

Socialism is characterized by a time of great trouble, a Great Tribulation that will last until the world learns how to put the best leaders amongst us in power, learns how to remove them when they prove themselves incompetent, and learns how to develop and run a system made up of the good from both systems: capitalism and socialism.

That synthesis of the good, the thesis and anti-thesis, is what Marx called Communism. And the way to get there, a look into the future, can only be seen by those who understand Dialectical Materialism; but unless you’ve got an IQ of 155 or greater, don’t waste you time studying this science, because it’s even more difficult than calculus.

But there are people who can understand the dialectic, people who can tune in to the karma and see where it’s going, people who can give history a little push in the right direction; and George Bush is not one of those kinds of leaders.

Impeach Dubya!

Ed Edwards
10-11-2002, 04:55 PM
\o/ Glory to the Lord \o/

\o/ Praise be to Jesus \o/

Why, i've been around the military so long,
i knew General Paranoia when she was just a Major :(

IM
10-11-2002, 07:34 PM
Tim,

I said the same thing you are saying on the Free Market wall. And boy you should've seen al lthe free market idiots telling me how wrong I was.

You hit the nail on the head, capitalism crashed in 1929, and people jumped out of windows to their deaths before FDR could help them live.

Capitalism was doomed to failure from the start. Why? because the people who made the econopmic system had all the money. If everyone would have been poor, then it would have been a communist system, or some kind of system where everyone shared stuff.

How else can one maintain their ability to rule, if they create a economic system which does not value their stolen wealth?

If they told the truth to the masses, that no, everyone will not get rich, but that the majority of the people will work for some of them, how else could they have the people chasing after the elusive apple of hopeful wealth which supposedly sat in front of their faces, thereby creting more wealth for those who created the system.

Oh yeah, and their descendants.

As the theft, plundering and murder expanded west, then the government was able to give away land which helped some people get rich, along with the finding of gold and silver.

But the land of opportunity ended in 1901, I believe. Now there is a one percent chance of getting rich from nothing. So the conservative you can get rich if you get hard enough belief is just pure fantasy.

99 percent of the wealth is controlled by less than 2 percent of the American population. Wages are getting lower each year comparable to inflation, and the conservatives refuse to raise the minimum wage to a living wage so that people can work and survive.

There is no city or town in this nation where a family can rent housing and afford it by working for today's minimum wage. More people are in poverty today than were last year. More people are homeless today than last year. More Americans are going home hungry than ever before.

These are not the indicators of a successful economic system. They are the indicators of revolution, and a very bloody one at that.

There is a man wondering around the Baltimore/D.C. area shooting people and killing. He could be a hungry, homeless vet, who has been denied help when he needed it. What else would drive a human to do such things?

And it's only going to get worse. The culture of I aint going to give someone a handout has got to end. It's obvious that handouts are needed. The culture of I ain't gonna let that person mooch up mah tax penny has got to stop, because if it doesn't you just multiply by 10 or 100 the number of snipers who will start wondering around the streets of this nation shooting and killing because they have lost hope.

I told all the dumb ass conservatives that this day would come, way back when they were calling me a poverty pimp because I said that we needed not to change welfare. That people need assistance and they don't need to be limited when they have hit rock bottom.

But instead of listening and doing the research needed to understand what comes when you get hard hearts, all (with the exception of Ed, who is truly what can be called a compassionate conservative) the dumb ass conservatives wanted to try proving themselves by calling me names.

Well the hour is here, and it's zero hour. Madness has surrounded this nation. Yet the madness did not have to happen, and the madness can be brought to an end.

All it takes is a little true compassion, and less worry about your fucking tax dollars and who they go to help.

Sorry Ed for the foul languae.

LanceALott
10-15-2002, 09:21 AM
DC Sniper

I don’t think this guy(s) is a crazy thrill killer at all. Let’s get real. This is happening after 911, and anything that commands this much attention after those Towers fell is most likely part of the game plan.

So what’s the point? What do the terrorist hope to gain? -- I think they intend to show America that our police (government) cannot protect us.

Every government gets its power to tax through a gigantic protection racket. We “voluntarily” pay our taxes because of a fear that if we don’t pay the protection money, someone is going to break our legs, or kill us, or hurt our kids.

If we get our legs broke; and our wife, kids, and grandpa gets killed anyhow, there is less reason to stay loyal to a failing government, no reason to pay the protection money.

I think someone is driving a wedge between the American People and our government; and I think they probably intend to keep hammering that wedge as long as it takes to get We The People to withdraw our voluntary support, destabilize, and eventually overthrow the failing US government.

If I am right, I think the sniper will eventually shoot a uniformed cop to show the government cannot even protect themselves.

I know cops wear “bullet-proof” body armor, but this guy has already shown us he is a good enough shot to hit some cop in the eye at two hundred yards. But I also know a .223 rifle bullet with a full-metal jacket, a military round traveling at 3300 feet per second, will go through quarter inch boiler plate, and probably through body armor, like it is butter.

I think the only thing body armor does is slow the cops down, make them tired, give them a false sense of invincibility, and make the cops in the open an easier target. In addition, as the full-metal jacket slug penetrates the bulletproof vest, the tip will most likely bend over and the slug will tumble through the cop’s body, ripping the hell out of his vital organs.

Remember the dead AFT agents at Waco? They were wearing “bullet-proof” vests. Those dead were not the results of a fifty-caliber machine gun as we were told. I think it was a .223.

I wonder what effect it will have on the morale of the surviving cops after they see that the cops can’t really protect themselves, and they realize there is someone out there who has them in his cross-hairs, a damn enemy solider, foreign or domestic, instead of a wacko, someone(s) in the shadows they do not know, someone against whom they have no defense?

If they are a bit paranoid now after 911, imagine what a dead cop in DC would do to their sanity.

I think this DC sniper is a professional terrorist who knows exactly what he is doing, not some crazed thrill-killer doing it for fun, not someone who is likely to screw up or be goaded into changing his plans and making a mistake.

I think this DC Sniper shit is serious stuff, as serious as 9-11; and I am not hopeful that Bush will ever understand what’s going on, let alone do the right things to get control of this dirty game of war where there are no non-combatants, where everyone is considered a soldier, even babies and armored cops.

In my analysis, Bush will most likely never win his “War on Terrorism,” because those damn terrorists have all the advantages even with the great military power of the USA; and even with my powerful mind on our side figuring out what the hell is going on, because even as smart as I am cannot see a winning strategy for us.

Okay, go ahead and laugh at my conceited “powerful mind;” but in 1967, after my 155 IQ was shown the enemy strategy, I said then, eight years before we lost, that I could not see any way to beat that damn squinty-eyed little Ho Chi Minh.

And everyone laughed at me then. I was a butter bar lieutenant in the Air Force, not even a graduate of West Point or any military academy. No one expected me to see any way to defeat the enemy. They all figured some military royalty would do that; but none did, and none of the military elite was even was honest or smart enough to tell them they could not see any way to be Ho either..

So all I can do is hope I am wrong, hope that the DC Sniper is just some crazy redneck who is mad at the world, just a member of the NFN gang (Nother F*cking Nut), someone who wants to get caught so he can go out in a blaze of glory and have everyone know who he was. Because in my analysis, if this is someone serious about overthrowing the US government, we might as well start looking for someone to surrender to.

(This analysis and prediction above of a cop as a victim was written shortly after the shootings began. I deliberately held off on posting it because I did not want to give the terrorists any ideas about who to shoot for greatest effect. Now, an FBI employee, Linda Franklin has become a victim; and I bet in the eyes of the sniper, she looked like a cop.

Yes, I missed my guess that he would go for a uniformed officer; but I do not think it was a coincidence this lady worked for the FBI, even though she was not wearing any kind of FBI identification at the time she was shot.

Still, I do not believe in coincidences. I think this guy, or someone working with him, identified this lady as an FBI employee. Maybe she wore an FBI jacket at one of the crime scenes? Or maybe someone simply watched the exit to the controlled access basement parking garage at the J. Edgar Hoover building and saw Mrs. Franklin leave from work, followed her home, then to parking garage at the Home Depot store.

Anyhow, now that a “cop” has been killed, I have little doubt that the Sniper is a terrorist of one kind or another. And from the terrorist attack in the parking garage at the Hoover Building in the “Turner Diaries,” the book that gave Tim McVeigh his ideas, I think we may be dealing with a homegrown terrorist, or terrorists.

If you still are not convinced, think about this: Linda was death number nine, with a total of 11 wounded or dead. That’s another 9-11. As I said, I don’t believe in coincidences or miracles.)

IM
10-15-2002, 10:14 AM
Tim,

It has to be a domestic terrorist. All middle eastern people are now under the ASScroft tracking system. If any one of them had purchased a gun since 9-11, there would be more detainees.

This is why I have been saying that we should profile all terrorists, whether domestic(KKK, Aryan Nations, various Militias) or Foreign, or profile none.

This person is a trained marksman. (STATE THE OBVIOUS IM HA!HA!) Probably a former soldier in OUR military.

We gotta understand that the majority of our military today lives below poverty. GWB wants to send these troops out to die, but is cutting their benefits when they come hone. He is giving tax breaks to the greedy, while those same poverty stricken soldiers are forced to go out and defend the assets of those same greedy people with their lives.

Then suddenly we see people get sniped down in D.C. It don't take a brain surgeon to see what's going on, and I certainly ain't no brain surgeon.

This had to happen, those who foster division created this scenario. When people begin to take a hard hearted position towards helping their fellow man, disaster is the outcome. When people post up bullshit like Sockdolager and state that this is recommended reading and is timeless, then the outcome is death to innocent people, because some people protest violently.

If some of us were not so concerned about our tax money and more concerned about the health and welfare of the poorest among us, there would be no snipers in the streets.

Thunder Bay
09-27-2004, 11:06 AM
\o/ Glory to the Lord \o/

\o/ Praise be to Jesus \o/

Why, i've been around the military so long,
i knew General Paranoia when she was just a Major :(






Bwaahahahahahaha......good one , Ed.....the fact that you see the humor while being trapped here with these two idiots is a testament to your strength of character. ;D

Larry_Oldtimer
09-27-2004, 01:15 PM
Two idiots trapped in a time machine, perpetually stuck in the 1960's era, still spouting forth all of the liberal drivel of that time. Gee, and I remember when these same types were saying, "better Red than dead," as if there were no other choice. Oh well, at least they can amuse each other.

Thunder Bay
09-27-2004, 01:39 PM
Well, they were both 'held down' by 'the man'; yet they beat their women like the arab/muslim culture they admire. ::)

sodaknomad
09-27-2004, 03:10 PM
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Tim,

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AWWWW, kumbayah...
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::)

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Thunder Bay
09-27-2004, 03:29 PM
;D ;D ;D

Bassman
09-28-2004, 11:45 AM
Funny watching two douchebags get so excited with each other they splash on themselves.... ;D

GWB landslide....

Jethro Tull
09-29-2004, 04:38 AM
Hey, weren't they predicting a really close election in 2002?

How'd all that turn out, anyway?

stacyadams
09-29-2004, 10:16 PM
Hey, weren't they predicting a really close election in 2002?
How'd all that turn out, anyway?
That prediction turned out a little better than this one…

When we liberate Iraq, the Iraqis will be dancing in the streets, just like the Afghanis did in Kabul.
...
When they are all waving little US flags in Baghdad, be sure to come back and tell us how awful we are.

polaris
09-29-2004, 11:20 PM
Strana citta!

LanceALott
09-30-2004, 09:50 AM
quote:
We suspended the Constitution because we were scared, scared of those diaper-heads and camel-jockeys, scared of terrorists, scared of real and imaginary terrorists, scared of anyone who might not exactly love us, scared of people who were our friends until we stepped hard on them with the jackboots of America’s new and growing Nazi-like police state.

Thunder Bay
09-30-2004, 10:01 AM
quote:
We suspended the Constitution because we were scared, scared of those diaper-heads and camel-jockeys, scared of terrorists, scared of real and imaginary terrorists, scared of anyone who might not exactly love us, scared of people who were our friends until we stepped hard on them with the jackboots of America’s new and growing Nazi-like police state.






Oh, well, it makes much more sense when you put it that way. ::)

What are you so scared of? Judicial review is limiting the PA, duhmass. ;D

LanceALott
09-30-2004, 10:42 AM
quote: “To Hell with the law. We’ve got to defend ourselves!” And we did, defend ourselves against every threat, whether real or imagined, defend ourselves against every shadow behind the Bush, every shadow except the shadowy characters who stole the election in Florida and put the illegitimate and illiterate idiot President in power at a time when America sorely needed the smartest leadership we could find.

Thunder Bay
09-30-2004, 02:20 PM
quote: “To Hell with the law. We’ve got to defend ourselves!” And we did, defend ourselves against every threat, whether real or imagined, defend ourselves against every shadow behind the Bush, every shadow except the shadowy characters who stole the election in Florida and put the illegitimate and illiterate idiot President in power at a time when America sorely needed the smartest leadership we could find.






I notice your typos are less frequent on the second draft; that 155 IQ works better the second time around, huh? ;D

IM
09-30-2004, 02:42 PM
Thunderbay and the rest of the dumb ass conservatives,

Idiots you say! Over 1000 dead Americans 2 years after the first post here shows me just who is the idiot. A war that looks like it will never end, more deaths each day, beheadings and kidnappings, car bombigs and missile launches daily against American soldiers. An average of 90 attacks against Americans each day. More dead Americans now than when the "Mission was Accomplished."

Billions of our tax dollars being spent to rebuild Iraq, few dollars going to rebuild our own crumbling nation. A cut of government revenue, not only at the federal level, but in nearly every state that a dumb ass republican sits inthe governors chair.

A law passed, or attempted to be, that cuts out time and a half pay for overtime, millions of jobs moved overseas, people working the hard forty each week and getting paid less, while those atthe top get paid more and more.

Two idiots you say? Perpetually stuck inthe 60's? Just look around fools and see what is actually going on. Don't try the Bush - Allawi line of "Things are going better than reported," because they are not.

Lazarus
09-30-2004, 02:45 PM
Thunderbay and the rest of the dumb ass conservatives,

Idiots you say! Over 1000 dead Americans 2 years after the first post here shows me just who is the idiot. A war that looks like it will never end, more deaths each day, beheadings and kidnappings, car bombigs and missile launches daily against American soldiers. An average of 90 attacks against Americans each day. More dead Americans now than when the "Mission was Accomplished."

Billions of our tax dollars being spent to rebuild Iraq, few dollars going to rebuild our own crumbling nation. A cut of government revenue, not only at the federal level, but in nearly every state that a dumb ass republican sits inthe governors chair.

A law passed, or attempted to be, that cuts out time and a half pay for overtime, millions of jobs moved overseas, people working the hard forty each week and getting paid less, while those atthe top get paid more and more.

Two idiots you say? Perpetually stuck inthe 60's? Just look around fools and see what is actually going on. Don't try the Bush - Allawi line of "Things are going better than reported," because they are not.


After Bush is re-elected, then he can NUKEM and not have to say he's sorry and feels their pain. ;)