North Korea

[covert]

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North Korea is said to be starting up their process of Nuclear Weapons. Are they now the bigger threat to America, and the world? :-\

[Meshuga Mikey]

They are simply another threat that must be dealt with.

Moment to moment the ordering of these threats could and likely does indeed change.

Who COULD know ,..already???

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[buzaw]

Hey Tex, had that cowboy had his gun pointed at the other'n Ida thought it was you. Cool cartoon and maybe something to it, but imo, neither snake is the big picture in this war. We have another greater world threat to the world, and that is fasciast Islam whose fasciast founder prophet, 14 centuries ago, spawned the eggs of Armageddon via Islamic world domination.

N. Korea has a "couple" of nukes. The only threat they are is to Japan as they don't have a way of deployment via ICBM.

[greginboise]

I thought that one on the missles they tested lat year could hit Hawaii, but I may be wrong.

[tileman]

N. Korea has a "couple" of nukes. The only threat they are is to Japan as they don't have a way of deployment via ICBM.


Unless China shares Clinton's gift with them.

[lgllady]

I thought that one on the missles they tested lat year could hit Hawaii, but I may be wrong.


I thought they could hit both Hawaii and Alaska! Only China could plant one in LA.

[ilovelucy]

Do y'all honestly think NK would strike with a nuke anywhere?

Seriously.

If so, where?

Do y'all honestly think NK would strike with a nuke anywhere?

Seriously.

If so, where?


The biggest threat is NK selling nuke's to rogue countries. I bet South Korea wouldn't be happy about it.

[ilovelucy]

lonestar.

I have to agree with this. North Korea is making money with the sales of whatever and the money is going into crazy four eyes pockets and those of his friends.....

A scary scenario. But NK knows that we are easily cowed these days for a number of reasons....

As you know, I am against war, but I am not against military strikes when necessary to avoid kiiling our boys and girls.....

lonestar.

I have to agree with this. North Korea is making money with the sales of whatever and the money is going into crazy four eyes pockets and those of his friends.....

A scary scenario. But NK knows that we are easily cowed these days for a number of reasons....

As you know, I am against war, but I am not against military strikes when necessary to avoid kiiling our boys and girls.....


I believe there are 300,000 GI's in South Korea right now. If North Korea was provoke enough to strike South Korea, it is estimated what is left of this American force would be taken captive. Besides the nukes, this is sobering. If we strike their nuclear plant to stop their development of a bomb, would this trigger an all out attack on the South?

[ilovelucy]

Lonestar.

SK and Japan have nuke capability at the moment, although this is not well publicised. NK hates Japan more than the States, believe it or not, but the Japanese are prepared to put their nukes in short order if threatened......

NK is saber-rattling. The problem really is China, imho.

Because of foreign investment in CHina,　 at the momenet, the Chinese are not real thrilled with nk....REGARDLESS OF IDEOLOGY.....

VERY INTERESTING. NO?

Lonestar.

SK and Japan have nuke capability at the moment, although this is not well publicised. NK hates Japan more than the States, believe it or not, but the Japanese are prepared to put their nukes in short order if threatened......

NK is saber-rattling. The problem really is China, imho.

Because of foreign investment in CHina,　 at the momenet, the Chinese are not real thrilled with nk....REGARDLESS OF IDEOLOGY.....

VERY INTERESTING. NO?


I think you're right. I think what North Korea really wants is food and aid.

[ilovelucy]

NK does has not responded well to food and aid. Only the elite and the military get food and aid when given..

THe people of NK are starving. I MEAN STARVING!!!!!!!!
They are ready for a revolutiion, so all means let us liberate them!!!!

Oh no, we cannot fo that....

WE DO NOT HELP STARVING PEOPLE!

zimbabwe
cambodia
bosnia
etc etc etc etc etc.

and North Korea..

let me tell you, the North and South Koreans are, in general, wonderful human beings--I have known a few.....

But, in general, we don't give a shit and so.....

NK does has not responded well to food and aid. Only the elite and the military get food and aid when given..

THe people of NK are starving. I MEAN STARVING!!!!!!!!
They are ready for a revolutiion, so all means let us liberate them!!!!

Oh no, we cannot fo that....

WE DO NOT HELP STARVING PEOPLE!

zimbabwe
cambodia
bosnia
etc etc etc etc etc.

and North Korea..

let me tell you, the North and South Koreans are, in general, wonderful human beings--I have known a few.....

But, in general, we don't give a shit and so.....




Well we seem to be taking over the world one country at a time, perhaps after Iraq we will take over NK ::)

[ilovelucy]

I also suspect internal politics at play here,　somehow...


I think we are closer to NK than we realize...
Remember Maddie Albright hugging Kim Baby a couple of years ago....

hmmmmm.

I also suspect internal politics at play here,　somehow...


I think we are closer to NK than we realize...
Remember Maddie Albright hugging Kim Baby a couple of years ago....

hmmmmm.






I've heard up to 7 million people are starving to death over there. They are a strange country even for a communist country. Very unpredictable. Maybe, God willing, they will collapse in the same manner the Soviet Union collapsed.

[ilovelucy]

Lonestar--

It is such a sad country for its people.....

Pray that the people get relief.

Did you know that Korea has a vast Christian population, both North and South...just interesting tto me, of course......

Lonestar--

It is such a sad country for its people.....

Pray that the people get relief.

Did you know that Korea has a vast Christian population, both North and South...just interesting tto me, of course......



Yes I've heard that. There were missionaries over there way before WWII.

[ilovelucy]

A friend of mine grew up in Korea of missionary parents and was put in a Japanese POW camp where he almost died. He was 20 or so at the time....

He lived his life in Japan as a
missionary...They were his captors. He loved Japan and her people.

He loved Korea and her people more though...............


They are good people.

We don't see this.

We simply don't see them.

[buzaw]

The world doesn't see the Christian population of China either. They are underground and meet secretly in homes and woods, etc. That was pretty much the case with all periods of severe persecution such as the inquisitions of the Vatican and more recently Russia and the Communist block nations of post WWII.

[ilovelucy]

Who cares about the Christian population anyway?

In the end, either God is there or He isn't.

I choose to believe He is there.

But, what do I know?

Hate, though, is not a viable option. in my opinion. Either you love your neighbor or you don't.

[ilovelucy]

Drudge has a story about North Korea which is rather telling...

This is not a good situation for Asia nor for us.

dicey....

[jAfO]

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North Korea is said to be starting up their process of Nuclear Weapons. Are they now the bigger threat to America, and the world? :-\


NK has pulled off a brilliant manuever to force the US and the other nations involved to help them get through their food and energy shortages. They knew we were too involved with Iraq to really give their situation our full attention, then they used the threat of building a nuclear srsenal to get us to the negotiating table. My predition is that very shortly it will be announced that we have agreed to give them fuel and food aid in exchange for their not building nuclear arms.

We are being played like a cheap violin.

[lgllady]

Right. NK is ONLY a military dictatorship. We are paying them to get a little stronger and make a few more demands. If it worked this time, it will work next time too.

[covert]

8)
I think maybe America might have stepped on some toes by messing around with NK's financial and business partner - Iraq. It's is sure strange that back when we announced that Iraq was hiding WMD, and we would disarm Saddam- NK announced that they had nukes. Did anyone else notice that ?? ???

[ilovelucy]

I think you have an excellent point. NK makes a lot of bucks selling to Iraq....

But, there may be other reasons....He may see that having our military spread thin weakens us in Asia....Interesting that Ritter is preaching to the Japanese about the dangers of an Iraq/US military confrontation...The Japanese are not happy with the NK threat to be sure.


hmmmmmmmmmmm.

[ilovelucy]

Frankly, I think Japan could go nuclear-ready in about 48 hours if threatened by NK.

They are a main target. Our interests there as well.....

[buzaw]

NK along with China are, imo, key players in the prophesied coming Armageddon at the Valley of Jehosaphat, i.e Kedron Valley near Jerusalem. The text says that after the river Euphrates is dried up there will be a 200 million invasion from the kings of the east. So we have Israel's Islamic enemy nations at the "throat" of Israel's capital, Jerusalem in their final push to shove Israel into the sea. Lo and behold, the long time "friends" of Islam, the Commies from the east show up as not so friendly folks. Here's what we have emerging:

1. Islam vying for world domination.
2. Eastern communism vying for world domination
3. Both have a common enemy, i.e. all of Christendom.
4. Vatican City is nuked off the map by one or the other, so they're no longer competetors in this.
5. Islam MUST, I say, Must deal with Israel and secure the Dome of the Rock and the Temple Mount, where Mohammed allegedly rose from the dead and which is now Islam's #1 holy place. (Mecca 2nd.)
6. The Commies of Russia and the East help Islam, who they intend to deal with after they use them for their own purpose of world domination.
7. So with Islam. They support the Commies to erradicate their common enemies, Christiandom and paganism, intending to deal with godless communism later.
8. The prophet Ezekiel in chapter 38 indicates that the invaders of Jerusalem will turn their weapons upon one another. Who are these? The Commies and the Islamics who have converged whom God has used to erradicate, not only the "harlot, Mystery Babylon" i.e. Vatican City, but most of paganism. These turn upon one another for "king of the final hill."

BUT..............another arrival at Armageddon, none other than the Lord of Lord and King of Kings, Jesus who appears in the clouds with his saints to take over as Jesus and the prophets have prophesied through the ages.

This's what I see emerging as I observe what's going on in the world and as I read the prophets. The US?? The US will decline to status of "whiners," and that's about all we're accomplishing as we send our might and power here and there to treat "symptoms" as we ignore the "diseases" affecting the world scene.

[buzaw]

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North Korea is said to be starting up their process of Nuclear Weapons. Are they now the bigger threat to America, and the world? :-\


NK has pulled off a brilliant manuever to force the US and the other nations involved to help them get through their food and energy shortages. They knew we were too involved with Iraq to really give their situation our full attention, then they used the threat of building a nuclear srsenal to get us to the negotiating table. My predition is that very shortly it will be announced that we have agreed to give them fuel and food aid in exchange for their not building nuclear arms.

We are being played like a cheap violin.


Exactly! As as usual, we're playing both sides of the court, supplying Islam's fundie totalitarian Pakistan with some of the best aircraft and weaponry there is as we also support the common enemy of Islam, Israel. The inernational bankers who finance both sides with funds they create from the nonfed central banks (for us Federal Reserve), rake in the dough, empowering themselves to pull the puppet strings of the world scene.

[ilovelucy]

What happens when the UN and other countries decide to call a halt to our military efforts?

Or what happens when NK and some other entities decide to bomb our cities or our military bases?

How are we going to respond to these things?

[Observer]

The UN is incapable of making us do anything. That is the whole point of this little exercise with Iraq. The President is driving that point home to them. It is not about WMD. It is not about oil. It is all about the UN.

As far as North Korea bombing our cities... They have nothing to gain and everything to lose by attempting something so stupid. North Korea is playing a game, the object of which is to get concessions in the way of aid and recognition n the international stage.

It works like this...

NK: "I am going to start building nukes again."
US: "Don't do that."
NK: "I can do it if I want."
US: "We'll knock the hell of you if you do."
UN: "We must find a peaceful resolution."
NK: "Maybe if we got some economic aid, we
wouldn't HAVE to build nukes."
US: "Don't blackmail us."
UN: "Give them the money."
US: "OK."

It is that simple.

[wendy]

It's even easier than that. Next time NK "threatens" us, just have one of these pop up off their coast:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/340000/images/_344239_sub150.jpg

Us to NK: What were you saying?

[Observer]

Excellent idea.

[truelies]

Perhaps we need some advise from the Mossad on how to make Dear Leader (the fat boy who runs NK) and his top minions one with history on a very personal basis. That would solve the problem in a way that avoids turning Seoul into a battle ground.

[ilovelucy]

I have to admit the NK situation is alarming. I guess because I feel closer to Asia in general, or something to that effect....

This isn't a threat to be taken lightly.

[Observer]

Lucy,

No threat should be taken lightly. However, it is important to maintain perspective when examining the threat.

we have two problems with North Korea. first, their leader is a nutcase. I remember before he assumed power, everytime his father got sick, certain people in our government would start praying for the old man's health. He was a bit of a nuisance, but at least he was predictable. The son is somewhat less than stable. the second problem is that the further North Korea deteriorates internally, the less incentive there is for the aforementioned nutcase not to do something stupid.

The direct REALISTIC threat he poses to the Continental United States is minimal. He does have the potential to do harm to some of our friends in Asia, as well as actual US assets in the region.

I think there is a high probability that a full blowout with North Korea would result in a nuclear exchange (mostly one sided, but a nuclear exchange nonetheless).

Now, do I think such a conflict is likely? No. Unless Kim has gone over the edge, he is just playing chess. he has moved a couple of pawns. We have responded. The playing field has been opened up. It is the kind of game the State Department plays a hundred times a week. This game has just got a slightly higher profile.

[ilovelucy]

Thanks, Observer.

I hope you are right.

[ilovelucy]

So, do we ever consider how the South Koreans feel about all of this? What they want for their country?

[wendy]

So, do we ever consider how the South Koreans feel about all of this? What they want for their country?


I'm pretty sure they don't want to be reduced to eating tree bark under the rule of Kim Jong-il.

[ilovelucy]

I'm pretty sure they're not the only ones who feel this way.... :(

I have to admit the NK situation is alarming. I guess because I feel closer to Asia in general, or something to that effect....

This isn't a threat to be taken lightly.


Actually it is more than you think. We westerners have a different approach to things than the Asians. If you review a little history you will find that it is a very common tactic for the Koreans to start off with alot of shouting and posturing in order to get your attention and also to be seen as generous and compromising, by comparison, when they eventually do settle down and become more reasonable.

I don't think that their leader is as much of a nutcase as he would like us to believe...and apparently some people do believe. I think it is a fairly calculated tactic. I think Observer just about hit it on the head with his fictitious conversation.

[ilovelucy]

But what is the point of giving NK aid when most, if not all, simply goes into KIM's pockets, his friends' pockets and the military?

But what is the point of giving NK aid when most, if not all, simply goes into KIM's pockets, his friends' pockets and the military?


No point. I think we should tell him, in the nicest way, to shut the fuck up.

[ilovelucy]

I couldn't agree more ;D