Re:The Mexican Government's Official Plan for a Takeover of America

[co-be]

Good plan.

Viva Mexico!

It's about time we started making moves to take back what's ours, which Yankee imperialists took in a war of aggression in 1848.

In 1991, these hypocrites condemned Saddam Hussein for trying to take Kuwait, yet look at their own history.

I'm moving back to Mexico because I don't want to stick around in the US long enough for this to take place, but I wish the Mexican people the best of luck on this endeavor.

[co-be]

"co-be: I no longer believe you are a Libertarian."

Why, because I oppose wars of aggression by the US, even if they took place in the past?

"When you Mexicans come to take away our land expect to get shot."

It isn't your land.

If my cousin buys a ranch from an Anglo, that's between the two of them. The USSA regime shouldn't have a word to say about it, and neither should you.

"Keep Mumia/Peltier in Jail"

Why, because the USSA regime says they are guilty? Since when do you as a Libertarian have so much trust that the government is not going to frame somebody up. Especially those who oppose them politically.

Ask yourself what Peltier was fighting for. He wanted the treaties that the US regime made with his people to be honored. He was fighting for independence and self-determination for his people, the same thing your "founding fathers" claimed to be fighting for (and he wasn't even holding any slaves). These all sound like
libertarian principles to me.

This was in the era of watergate and cointelpro. Do you really find it so hard to believe that he may have been framed up? Are you an expert on the case? Do you think that this man, who is probably elderly by now, is a threat to society? Why should we pay tax money to keep him in jail?

Also, you don't respect private property. You went around to people's private cars and defaced their expression of their political views (Free Peltier) on their own property, and you are proud of that. You consider that to be the actions of a Libertarian? Sounds more like a fascist to me.

"Now I think you are just as idiotic and crazy as IM.

Did you two grow up together as neighbors in the barrio?"

Thanks, that's a compliment coming from someone whose latest avatar is a crude racist caricature. But no, I've never met IM IRL AFAIK.

[lgllady]

Good plan.

Viva Mexico!

It's about time we started making moves to take back what's ours, which Yankee imperialists took in a war of aggression in 1848.

In 1991, these hypocrites condemned Saddam Hussein for trying to take Kuwait, yet look at their own history.

I'm moving back to Mexico because I don't want to stick around in the US long enough for this to take place, but I wish the Mexican people the best of luck on this endeavor.




I too wish they would hurry up and be quick about it. I'd hate to think all this training and target practice was going to waste.
After years and YEARS of seeing the anti-American propaganda and listening to their crap, I'd hate to think that they would make
their move after I was dead. Until then, I'll remain active in the militia movement. It is most heartening to see
the rapid growth of the militias and to hear that just knowing that armed men and women are out there is shoving
the invaders off to yet more dangerous territory. The desert is a big place.

[Meshuga Mikey]

Good plan.

Viva Mexico!

It's about time we started making moves to take back what's ours, which Yankee imperialists took in a war of aggression in 1848.

In 1991, these hypocrites condemned Saddam Hussein for trying to take Kuwait, yet look at their own history.

I'm moving back to Mexico because I don't want to stick around in the US long enough for this to take place, but I wish the Mexican people the best of luck on this endeavor.





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[lgllady]

On the other hand.

Let me extend my utmost gratitude for your moving BACK to Mexico. I sincerely and profoundly wish you great success.
So much success in fact, that there will come a day when family reunification compels you to import your closest and extended
family.

[lucy]

llglady--

:)

I put the smiley in, but only because I love your wit...

Truth is, we are being had, so to speak and the situation is not funny....

what the %#%#& is really happening to us as a country anymore????

[co-be]

"Last time I checked it belonged to the United States of America."

Last time I checked, it belongs to the individuals who own it.

You don't REALLY think my land belongs to the government - do you?

That wouldn't be very libertarian of you if you do.

But, if it belongs to me, I - and not anyone else - can decide who I have on it and who I can't, or who I sell it to.

If someone else has that right, that means I don't really own it.

"I'm sorry you were home skooled."

I wasn't, unfortunately.

Does the above mean you are also against home schooling?

I don't think that would be very libertarian of you.

"You were young once, too, right?"

I'm not that old. Just because I have grandchildren doesn't mean I'm anywhere near 65. I started young, and so did some of my kids.

Anyway, yes, I have done plenty of things that violated other people's rights, and I am very lucky I didn't do hard time for some of them. However, I don't post them up and say "it was funny" like I'm proud of what I did. Your tone when you told that story was decidedly celebratory.

"I didn't know they don't get the Howard Stern show in the barrio.

If you did, you would know who that crude caricature is."

LOL. I don't live in the barrio anymore, that was when I was a kid; and yes, I get that show, but I don't watch it.

And posting your Peltier link proves nothing. I could just as easily post contravening links.

So what?

I ain't your son, boy, and you still haven't answered why you are so sure Peltier is guilty.
I've known plenty of people they framed up. At one time they even had me in jail for nearly a year on charges that included forgery, fraud, identity theft, conspiracy and racketeering. However, I was acquited. I know other people in the case ended up doing hard time. And yet the whole case was bogus. I know a LOT of people that have been framed.

And I've read and heard plenty of people have been framed precisely because they were anti-government activists.

Libertarians would be the first to know this.

"Until then, I'll remain active in the militia movement."

LOL...the militia movement...a bunch of losers playing soldier. These are the same people
who think the government gives a shit whether the income tax is "legal" or not. If this were all we had to worry about, the US would already be out of Texas and the rest of Mexico's territory which the imperialists have temporarily conquered.

BTW I have been to militia meetings, and have seen for myself what a bunch of nuts, losers and rejects the "movement" attracts. Some of them I recognized as undercover agents I have met under other circumstances. And there were a few people selling anti-semitic conspiracy books. What a joke. In a war against either Mexico or the USSA regime...these people would last about 2.5 seconds at best. Their tactical training was pathetic, and more than a few were out of shape.

"It is most heartening to see
the rapid growth of the militias"

What growth? They've been pretty much dead in the water since OKC. Which is too bad, but then it just shows that constitutions don't work any more than magic potions and "constitutionalists" may as well believe in voodoo (actually, voodoo probably has more validity).

Real revolutionaries, these guys ain't.

Lucy,

"what the %#%#& is really happening to us as a country anymore?"

Exactly what you brought on yourself.

[lgllady]

I don't know what kind of militias you are thinking of? Perhaps you are "old guard". The newer ones simply prevent
illegals from trespassing on private property. Thankfully they are growing rapidly. Some have gone on to the national
monuments and national preserves. The best thing about them is that while watching the most used trails, the illegals
are driven further into the desert, and in more unfamiliar terrain. More than 300 of them died this year. Some of them found
hanging from a tree. Hanged by their own belts! They call them Mexican Windchimes.

I understand that Houston now has an urban militia to fight the gangs that plague the neighborhoods. I would certainly look for
more of that in the future in more cities.

OKC wasn't done by a militia we know that now. The militias that I know aren't anti government at all. In fact the militias
now WANT the government to be there. We would much rather have the military than give up our weekends and vacations.

[co-be]

OK Jeremy...the tone of your latest post doesn't really merit a response.

Grow up and clean it up. I'm not going to respond to insults.

Especially ones as stupid as calling me a socialist.

I've already made it very clear that I'm a free market anarchist, which is very far from
being a socialist.

If you can't read, that's your problem, not mine.

If you want a conversation, speak with respect and logic.

Childish insults like your latest post won't cut it.

[Meshuga Mikey]

OK Jeremy...the tone of your latest post doesn't really merit a response.

Grow up and clean it up. I'm not going to respond to insults.

Especially ones as stupid as calling me a socialist.

I've already made it very clear that I'm a free market anarchist, which is very far from
being a socialist.

If you can't read, that's your problem, not mine.

If you want a conversation, speak with respect and logic.

Childish insults like your latest post won't cut it.





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[co-be]

"In fact the militias
now WANT the government to be there."

Oh great....

Sorry, LGL, those aren't militias.

They're called vigilantes, and it's not anything new.

An old example is the KKK. That's been around since about
1865.

The only good thing about militias when I was dealing with them
was that they were anti-government.

If they are pro-government now...too bad.


Unfortunate, but not entirely surprising.

I know OKC was the USSA, not militias, another "reichstag
fire" like the WTC.

But the public perception was that it was the militias,
and it had its intended effect, just as WTC did.

One thing I'll give the USSA regime...
yes, they are evil, but they're not as tactically stupid as
the "constitutionalist militia" (old guard), the
LP and the other anti-government groups I worked
with in the 90s.

[Meshuga Mikey]

I know OKC was the USSA, not militias, another "reichstag
fire" like the WTC.
vernment groups I worked
with in the 90s.


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[co-be]

LGL: The best thing about them is that while watching the most used trails, the illegals
are driven further into the desert, and in more unfamiliar terrain. More than 300 of them died this year. Some of them found hanging from a tree. Hanged by their own belts!

co-be) what do you have against people who want to work for a living? Is it a racial thing?
Why would you take delight in human misery and death? That's pretty sick.

LGL: I understand that Houston now has an urban militia to fight the gangs that plague the neighborhoods.

co-be) Too bad they can't deal with the biggest gang plaguing the neighborhoods...the HPD.

"Let me extend my utmost gratitude for your moving BACK to Mexico. I sincerely and profoundly wish you great success. So much success in fact, that there will come a day when family reunification compels you to import your closest and extended
family."

co-be) Ah, but that's the nice thing...we all move across back and forth across the "border"...because there is none. It's all one country, one people. There's a border every where there is a property line, actually. Governments - Mexican or US - are just a hindrance. Without them, the people would mix, intermarry, learn from each other, trade...
in other words, do what they are supposed to do. Governments are just blood sucking parasites that do no good whatsoever. We'd be better off without them.

As for my extended family...some of them are Anglo and some Latino. In fact, some of them hate Anglos and some of them hate Latinos. I think that's stupid. I can't hate either one...I'd be hating myself.

What's going to continue to happen is people moving back and forth and the continuing mixing of the two cultures, which is a good thing. I can come and go any time I want. I can do business in both areas. I see the US government becoming more repressive, and at the same time Mexico is making more progress. I wonder how long it will be before Anglos will be the ones dying to get across the border...probably not very long at all.

[lgllady]

When the "work" the illegals want to do is drug selling, car theivery and murder, yes, they can just die in the desert.

I agree with you on one thing. Keep the police out of it. If the Houston PD is anything like the LAPD, it's one big social
service agency. They should stay home and let the militias take care of the situation.

What I really do not understand is that while the governments of the United States and Mexico seem fairly intent on
eliminating the border, they refuse to recognize that the citizens of these nations really hate one another.

I applaud the militias forming. I send them as much money as I can and so do a lot of others. When I am able, I go
with them and see how many new people have joined since I last went.

Whatever happens it will be certain to be violent and bloody. A natural and probable outgrowth of what's happening
now in the cities. To think that the Citizens of the United States will continue to sit idly by while others insist that
the border doesn't exist is short-sighted at best. It's optimistic, but short sighted. Unfortunately, the reasons have
nothing to do with the Mexican people but the policies and politics of the Mexican government which is criminal and corrupt.

[lgllady]

Anyway you want to cut it kiddo.

It still makes for a lot of windchimes.

[tileman]

Anyway you want to cut it kiddo.

It still makes for a lot of windchimes.


Wow, that's sad.................they're just very poor people that don't want their chlildren to be hungry. Hardly anything to relish their suffering and death over. The gangs are predominantly American, and the wets prey..............to almost everyone.

[tileman]

BTW.............I think Peltier ought to be freed. Talk about a horseshit trial!!

[truelies]

BTW.............I think Peltier ought to be freed. Talk about a horseshit trial!!


What reason do you see to believe that he did not blow those Feds away?

[tileman]

BTW.............I think Peltier ought to be freed. Talk about a horseshit trial!!


What reason do you see to believe that he did not blow those Feds away?


Did you read the link? It's not so much that I believe anything either way.........it's more like nobody else proved that he did go back and do those guys. Go back and check out what the previous judge had to say about the governments actions.

Might doesn't neccessarily make right, even if that's the intent. When any group, government or otherwise, acts beyond the law, it's wrong. When done with impunity, it's scary wrong.

[co-be]

LGL,

"When the "work" the illegals want to do is drug selling, car theivery and murder, yes, they can just die in the desert."

Are you saying that's what all or most of them want to do? I doubt it.

I'd agree with you that car theft and murder are problems. As for drug dealing, it's only a problem due to prohibition. And if illegal immigrants were legalized, they wouldn't be a problem either.

Tileman:

"Wow, that's sad.................they're just very poor people that don't want their chlildren to be hungry. Hardly anything to relish their suffering and death over. The gangs are predominantly American, and the wets prey..............to almost everyone.


BTW.............I think Peltier ought to be freed. Talk about a horseshit trial!!"

Thanks for making sense.

Unfortunately your link didn't come thru.

"Might doesn't neccessarily make right, even if that's the intent. When any group, government or otherwise, acts beyond the law, it's wrong. When done with impunity, it's scary wrong."

That's libertarianism in a nutshell right there. Unlike the phony imperialism of those who kow-tow to the worst excesses of jackbooted police state agencies (Rodney King, Peltier, Mumia), and even call for nuking cities of innocent people and starting religious wars.

Jeremy is as far from a genuine libertarian as possible.