Re:IM's favorite Senator still hasn't apologized for being in the Klan

[The Guardian]

Thales: Not a problem posting this, but this obviously comes from Newsmax. When we do this, we need to credit the author and should have a link back to the full article. It would also be better to put the first paragraph with the link to the rest.

See the announcements forum regarding copyright issues.

[Meshuga Mikey]

Wednesday Dec. 11, 2002; 11:12 a.m. EST
Byrd Never Apologized for Klan Membership

Critics of Sen. Trent Lott have spent the last 24-hours parsing the words of the series of apologies he has offered for praising Sen. Strom Thurmond's 1948 Dixiecrat presidential candidacy last week. But, satisfactory or not, at least he did apologize, which is more than anyone can say about Senate Majority Whip Robert Byrd's comments regarding his Ku Klux Klan past.

"I apologize to anyone who was offended by my statement," Sen. Lott said, using the "a" word explicitly.

While Byrd did issue an apology last year for invoking the phrase "white niggers" during a nationally televised TV interview, the top Democrat has never expressed much personal contrition for his role as Ku Klux Klan Grand Kleagle in the 1930s.

In fact, as recently as nine years ago, Byrd explained that he joined the group that specialized in lynching African-Americans because it "offered excitement."

Though the West Virginia Democrat went on to tell the Washington Post in June 1993 that his stint in the KKK was the mistake in his life that he most regrets, he never acknowledged that the group's Jim Crow agenda had anything to do with his decision to sign up.

Instead, Byrd explained that he decided to become a cross burning, night, riding, sheet wearing member of the Klan "because it was strongly opposed to communism."

Twelve years earlier, in another interview with the Post, the West Virginia Democrat sounded anything but contrite when asked about his days as a Klansman.

"Suddenly, Byrd's face freezes," wrote Post reporter Martin Schram in May 1981. "The muscles on either side of his jaw harden to what must be the consistency of golf balls. His eyes are lasers burning deeply into his questioner."

"I really do not want to answer that question," the former Grand Kleagle glowered. "It is something I have addressed time and time again."

"He is tired of hearing about it," Schram wrote. "Tired of having to answer for it. It was just a mistake of youth, he goes on."

Finally, Byrd explained in testy tones, "Just as a lot of young people these days join organizations they regret joining, I joined as a youth and regretted it later. I made a mistake."

In a comprehensive Lexis-Nexis search through thirty-two years of media reports on Sen. Byrd's Klan past, NewsMax.com was unable to unearth a single quote where the top Democrat used the word "apology" or "apologize" - or where he strongly condemned the violent hate group in any way.

Byrd's strongest statement on the Klan was apparently delivered during the same 1981 Washington Post interview.

"I abhor the Klan," the Senate Democrat said. "Every time I see on television men wearing robes, it turns me off. I look upon the Klan as a silly, asinine group that tries to act outside the law, and uses violence and intimidation as their currency."

But Byrd's references throughout the years to the murderous hate group seem peppered with adjectives like "silly" and "asinine" rather than the stronger language one might expect about a group he claims to "abhor." Nowhere among the top Democrat's Klan quotes could we find terms like "dangerous," "racist," or, for that matter, any reference whatsoever to the group's persecution of blacks.

Instead of words like "apology" and "apologize," Byrd's spokespeople have insisted that he has repeatedly made his "regrets" about his Klan days clear.

On several occasions the former Kleagle has talked about the "mistake" he made that will dog him for the rest of his days. Once he actually referred to joining the group of black-lynching racists as "a youthful mistake."

Still, as late as 1946, when Byrd was well into his adulthood at age 29, the politically ambitious West Virginian didn't seem particularly regretful about his "mistake."

"The Klan is needed today as never before . . . ," Byrd proclaimed in a letter to the KKK's Imperial Grand Wizard, the Post reported.

And if he truly "abhorred" his past "mistake," he didn't seem particularly eager to make amends when it came to the issue of integrating the armed forces under President Harry Truman.

In another letter written around the same time that was unearthed last year by columnist Michelle Malkin, Byrd vowed never to fight in the military "with a Negro by my side."

"I should rather die a thousand times and see old glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again," the ex-Klansman pledged, "than see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen of the wilds."

As Malkin also noted, 20 years after Byrd described African-Americans as "race mongrels," he spent 14 hours filibustering against the 1964 Civil Rights Act. He also voted against Thurgood Marshall and Clarence Thomas, the only two blacks ever nominated for the U.S. Supreme Court.

And then, of course, there was last year's unfortunate "white nigger" reference.

Perhaps those complaining that Sen. Lott's explicit apology didn't quite meet their standards would do better to turn their attention to Sen. Byrd's lack of contrition for his enthusiastic membership in a group whose goal was the extermination of the black race.


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One HAS TO wonder what in HELL the initials IM actually do refer to~!!!! Does it purport to BE the great I AM?? One would HOPE not~!!!

[co-be]

"One HAS TO wonder what in HELL the initials IM actually do refer to~!!!! "

Isaac Madison. It's not exactly news.

When did IM say Byrd is his favorite senator? I missed that one.

[co-be]

Personally, I think Congressmen are members of an organization that is even worse than the klan.

After all, they (the USSA regime) have killed more people and terrorized more people around the world than a bunch of loser rednecks like the klan ever dreamed about.

And I don't care if they are Republicans or Democrats. There really is no difference, it's just a diversion to keep people occupied while your money and your freedom goes down a rathole.

The Romans called it bread and circuses.

I don't care about Democrats and Republicans. To me they are both evil. They're worse than the klan, and so I don't care for either Trent Lott or Robert Byrd.

You see, to these Senators we are all niggers, whether we are black, Latino, white, or whatever. That's because they are financially prejudiced against people who can't help them get re-elected, people who can't get shaken down for substantial contributions.

All this race shit, and the phony Democrat/Republican and left/right nonsense, is just a game of divide and conquer.

I have been to their DC hangouts and had drinks with them...they sit around and laugh at the common people. Politicians are scum.

IMO, all these politicians, Democrat, Republican or whatever, are criminals and con artists, and the people who think they should be entrusted to run our lives are fools and marks.

I don't know enough about the Peltier and Mumia cases to say one way or the other and I doubt anyone here does. But I would be deeply skeptical of whatever the government claims, because I have known them to frame up a lot of people.

At least in Mexico people know that politicians and cops are corrupt scum and treat them accordingly. And they are not so tight-assed and lawsuit-scared as Americans.

Americans are too hung up on "safety" this and that. And they trust politicians and newspapers. Most people in the rest of the world have more sense than that.

[Meshuga Mikey]

"One HAS TO wonder what in HELL the initials IM actually do refer to~!!!! "

Isaac Madison. It's not exactly news.

When did IM say Byrd is his favorite senator? I missed that one.



Jackson would fit 'em Better~!! Issac Jackson,......

[IM]

Jeremy,

It's funny, because you know that I am not a democrat, yet you will make me one because I disagree with the political stance of the right wing.

As far as Robert Byrd goes, I mention him on my post in the black conservative section.

Bias my ass jeremy, the fact is that the right wing controlled republican party is filling the heads of people like you full of spin and unfactual rhetoric. I have advanced myself enough to understand that I do not need to listen to another man stand on TV trying to speak for me. I have worked in situations you guys have talked about over the years, and I have seen people who need help, and the true effects of the ideology of the right wing. More homeless people on the streets, poverty level on the rise, more children going to bed hungry, not to mention without a roof over their heads.

I have seen people with right wing ideology turn down people who need help, then watch these same people walk their hypocritical asses up the church steps on Sunday morning, and sing loud hymms praising the lord.

I have heard right wing ministers say in one sentance, that Jesus says to help your fellow man, then the next sentance say that we are not to help slackers. That God is love, but God hates people who don't work.

Yet Jesus never had a job.

I don't give a fuck about Robert Byrd, and Trent Lott just showed his true colors. Finger pointing and trying to ignore what he said does not change the fact that it happened. Both men are bigots, and when I say that the problem with America has been the white male elite, you seem to ignore that I have always said that, and that extends beyond any political party.

I hope that you understood what I was saying, and for future reference do not try that line of reasoning with me again.

[co-be]

"I don't give a fuck about Robert Byrd, and Trent Lott just showed his true colors. Finger pointing and trying to ignore what he said does not change the fact that it happened. Both men are bigots, and when I say that the problem with America has been the white male elite, you seem to ignore that I have always said that, and that extends beyond any political party."

Amen!

[Jethro Tull]

IM and co-be ~ By the incoherence and spelling and grammatical errors with which your posts are replete, I presume you are young, uneducated, and ignorant.

Most people in the rest of the world have more sense than that.

Ah, yes? And this perhaps is why they wish, in overwhelming numbers, to come to . . . America?

I say that the problem with America has been the white male elite

Well, then, why don't you rebel against it? Reject any medical treatment discovered, pioneered, or invented by a white male American. Don't use any products of companies run by white male Americans. Avoid using any infrastructure built by white male Americans.

Or else, confess to being 100% hypocrites.

[Moonchild]

Ah, yes? And this perhaps is why they wish, in overwhelming numbers, to come to . . . America?

They wish to come to any rich country. Europe has a greater demand for immigration visas than the US. (location). Running away from poverty / war / persecution does not mean that the place they run to is perfect. It might be preferable, but with room for improvement.

Of course the US has really good marketing in Hollywood.

Well, then, why don't you rebel against it? Reject any medical treatment discovered, pioneered, or invented by a white male American. Don't use any products of companies run by white male Americans. Avoid using any infrastructure built by white male Americans.


People do protest in many ways. Look at crime rates. ;) Why should they protest the way you suggest? Why should they refuse to use the subway, which is a good thing, if they are discriminated against in the workplace?

It does not make sense at all.

[co-be]

"IM and co-be ~ By the incoherence and spelling and grammatical errors with which your posts are replete, I presume you are young, uneducated, and ignorant."

I presume you are, as my grammar and coherence is well above average (top 1/1,000th according to standardized tests). I grew up in the barrio, was a self-made millionaire as a kid, burned out by eighteen, and spent over a decade being broke and depressed. After that, I worked for a number of years as a travelling salesman, and currently am involved in web design and real estate, and am purchasing a chain of pharmacies in Juarez, Mexico.

I have postgraduate college education, although no degrees above a Bachelor's. I've started a number of businesses, including some that I've sold which are now multi-million dollar companies.

I have been married and divorced twice and have children and grandchildren.

I've seen many of my friends die.

I've been in jail (but not prison) and have done contract work for the USSA military.

I've been to over 40 countries and nearly every USSA state.

I've worked personally with some of your top politicians, so I know directly what scum they are.

The only valid point you have is spelling - I don't run my posts through a spell check, so yes, there are typographical errors. So what?

As for your specific comments....

Me... Most people in the rest of the world have more sense than that.


You...Ah, yes? And this perhaps is why they wish, in overwhelming numbers, to come to . . . America?

Me again....The numbers aren't as overwhelming as you think, and even many of the people who immigrate to the US criticize many aspects of your culture. Mostly it's a financial decision
based on an economy that is relatively strong because it *used to be* relatively free. However, these days there are countries in the world which are more economically free, and are thus developing more rapidly. Another aspect of why other countries are poor has to do with colonialism and imperialism, including in no small measure the USSA's. And, saying that your country used to be relatively economically free (for most people) doesn't mean I am saying it was all that great; it had many other problems at that time, such as Jim Crow, slavery, and genocide of the Indians.

Your country is also evolving into a police state, and thus it's only a matter of time - probably sooner than you would imagine possible - before it will have more people trying to leave (and attempts by your regime to prevent them from leaving). There are already quite a few USSA expatriates that I meet travelling abroad, and many people who returned home after coming there.

I'll soon be among the latter.

IM: I say that the problem with America has been the white male elite (I agreed)


You: Well, then, why don't you rebel against it? Reject any medical treatment discovered, pioneered, or invented by a white male American. Don't use any products of companies run by white male Americans. Avoid using any infrastructure built by white male Americans.

Me: Oh, please. The world is not nearly that simple, and if you're not young, uneducated and ignorant you know that full well. I am not prejudiced against whites; actually I'm part white myself, nor do I hate Americans, as I've spent over 20 years in the US. This doesn't prevent me from criticizing a system which is tilted in favor of insiders, and criticism of the system doesn't prevent me from working in it to some extent. I still have to live in the real world, and maybe I can make a small difference somewhere every once in a while.


You: Or else, confess to being 100% hypocrites.

Me: As anyone who is not young, uneducated and ignorant knows, the world isn't black and white. It's all colors of the rainbow, and all shades of grey. The "love it or leave it, my country right or wrong" attitude is the cause of much of the world's problems. "Change it or lose it" was a better slogan, although it is probably too late for the US. My last hope for your country was the Libertarians, and honestly I don't see them working hard enough or applying their efforts intelligently, nor will I keep working in a dysfunctional organization. Honestly, I don't see them making the simple changes that will make them effective. They keep going after the right wing vote, and it's a dead end. And, I see that they don't have the time left to become effective before you have a full blown police state. At this point, I'm more interested in saving myself from what I see as inevitable in your country by moving out and less interested in fighting against the tide.

[Slipped Mickey]

Not to throw my Lott in with Trent but I don't completely disagree with him. First let me say that most elected officials are nothing better than pond scum though I know a few (that's three) at the state level who are good people, and one of those is a Democrat.

Lott was monumentally stupid to say what he said. I am not a big fan of his but I never would he have said that if he thought a shit storm would follow. He may actually be the vile bigot he is being called, I don't know. But even if he is there is no way anyone can convince me that he planned to fall on his own sword. THAT was the last thing on his mind.

Perhaps what Lott was involved in was a display of old Southern solidarity, not racism. Again, I think he was wrong to say what he said. He was addressing a very old man of the old South, of the deep South. In that context I might see where Lott was coming from.

All said Lott may have a point. Do you agree that desegregation as it was practiced, where it was practiced, how it was practiced and when it was practiced was good for America? I not sure it was a good thing for any of us. First and foremost it hasn't worked. Now the South is MUCH more desegregated than the North. Education is absolute shit. Drugs have begun to ravish a second generation. After desegregation didn't work there came affirmative action - which isn't working, then quotas and now it looks as if colleges and universities will be required to meet ethnic minimums in enrollment. Does it sound to you as if the master plan worked 40 years ago?

Is it right that a divide remains between white and black? Does racism continue to exist? There's no question that there should be racial equality but I might be inclined to think what the North once again tried to force on Dixie blew up in everyone's face. It just may have been that the South would have worked out the issue to everyone's benefit rather than no one's benefit.

What we see today are the results of social engineering without much of a plan: no research, no preparation just a mandate. "Do this and it will all get better." It was done and it all got worse. The well could have been more equality today without and federal mandate, if the North would have left it to South to work it out. I don't know what Trent Lott meant and neither does anyone else but if he meant blacks down home would have faired much better by now if the North would have stopped meddling in what they to this day do not understand I might agree.

[co-be]

By: Gene Callahan

Just what the hockey puck is going on here? Yeah, at the least Lott's remarks were stupid, and quite possibly they were morally objectionable as well. However, there's no sign that Lott is hopped up about actually re-forming the Dixiecrat Party. Nor, to my knowledge, did he recently propose "The 2002 Southern Resegregation Act."

But look at who is attacking him: Bill Kristol, Jonah Goldberg, Andrew Sullivan, David "Axis of Evil" Frum, Glenn Reynolds. [...] To a man, these are voices from the most feverish wing of the war party. They are all enthusiastically backing policies that could easily result in the deaths of millions of people. [...]Right now, they are advocating that the US attack any country that they deem might one day threaten us. When Rich Lowry casually contemplated whether nuking Mecca was the right response to another 9/11, not one of these moral paragons called for banning Lowry from polite society. When Glenn Reynolds joked that it might be best if the CIA assassinated the chief UN weapons inspector, those outraged at Lott's remarks did not stop linking to Reynolds's blog.

And right now, in the very Senate in which mooning over defunct political parties is beyond the pale, the vast majority of senators are happily going along with the rapid replacement of the Bill of Rights by the whim of the Bush administration. American citizens are being imprisoned indefinitely without access to a lawyer or the right to a trial. A man has been sentenced to three years in prison for making a dumb joke about Bush. A convicted felon has been hired by the Bush administration and placed in charge of collecting "total information awareness" about every American citizen.

Are any of these voices of approbation calling for the heads of the many senators acquiescent to these grossly immoral activities going on right now, in our own time? No, they are not. You see, incinerating a million civilians is just a reasonable policy option. On that, we can have polite differences of opinion. Establishing an American police state? Well, you might object, but there's no reason we can't talk about it, is there? But don't mention that you thought the poll tax wasn't so bad. It will make it all too clear that you are a somewhat yucky person, and you shouldn't expect any more invitations to Georgetown cocktail parties.

Rest of article at http://www.lewrockwell.com/callahan/callahan98.html

[IM]

Jethro Tull bungled in the jungle.

I don't worry much about spelling when I post up here. Usually I just post up and hit the button. I don't edit, and if I took the time to maybe there would be less missspelled words.

Yet I think that Jethro, you are using another classic technique. Razz someone about the spelling or grammar, like yours is always perfect. I have a bachleors degree in Recreation Administration, a Master's in Public Adinistration, plus 21 years of work experience in social services at various administrative levels.

I am a man who helped build an organization up from nothing into one that was recognized by international leaders. The plan I and my former partner put together for econsomic development had our organization receiving calls from the Economic Development Director in the former Mandela government in South Africa, the Quenn of Swaziland, King of Rwanda, and companies in Nigeria, Botswana, and Zimbabwe.

So Jethro, when you start talking about ignorant, you can call me what you desire, but my record stands for itself. I have sudied the facts because you have to when you are working on plans such as the one I described in the prior paragraph.

I spent the majority of the 1990's travelling across this nation visiting the hoods and barrios, talking with leaders of these communities, and every time, the theme stayed the same.

The old boy network controlled all the cash, and they were cut off from access to the capital needed to improve their communities.

And each time I went to speak with the power brokers of large cities, I saw mostly the same thing, OLD ASS WHITE MEN.

I hope I spelled that right Jethro.

As for rebelling against things white men created, perhaps you need a lesson. For example, medically few ccreations top the creation of blood plasma. This medical invention has saved millions of lives. This was invented by a black man, Dr. Charles Drew.

The first open heart surgery was performed thousands of years ago by a physician named Imhotep. A black man.

So when you spew out foolishness like what you did when I said that the problem has been the white male elite, you show that maybe it's you who is young, uneducated, and ignorant.

Finally when you do say things like this, it shows how you deny, or ignore just exactly how white men gained their advantage. They did so by ccreation of laws and policies, including out right brute force and terror, to gain and maintain whatever power they could get. The denied others the same opportunity because of their race or sex. This is racew based preference I am talking about and how white men used it to get the advvantages in America.

Then they now spin tales about how they came here with nothing, and due to rugged individualism and hard work, they raised themselves up to greatness.

That's bullshit Jetro Bodine(oops, a misspelling) and it's time you understood that.

Now I've caught you in lie el numero 2.

First lie: "I'm fat and out of shape." 2 weeks later, "I'm in shape and can run 10 miles under a minute."

Second lie: "I'm an accountant with an associates degree that took me four years to get." Present day, "I'm a social worker who does business with commies and terrorists in Africa."


Sounds like someone we had back at NM that made up stories and then blamed me for calling them on it. Be careful - if it is the same person - they may hack you.

CB,

IM couldn't hack into his nose with his little finger.

This guy makes up crap like he can pull a rabbit's behind out of thin air.


LOL ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Persephone]

I'm from Mississippi, so I only have one question. People are surprised that Lott is a vile bigot??

Who didn't know?

[IM]

Thales,

I think that you may want to erase the bullshit you posted up. First of all, I never have said I was an accountant. And as far as the overwieght and two weeks later being in shape thing, I guess you are once again just joking, trying to get me riled up.

Your sense of humor is in very poor taste.

When I began posting up, I was VP of an organization that grew fron nothing to International recognition, and our staff was invited to attend the 1991 African-African American Summit.

We were also asked to present our program at the National African American Student Association summit in 1995 before the Million Man March.

Organizational staff was asked to work in the Million Man March HQ. We were part of a group that also put together an 57 plank agenda for African American community , educational, political and economic development. This plank is in force today, and in a few years you will see just exactly what the outcome will be.

Currently I am Development Director at Habitat for Humanity's affiliate here. I am now in the process of putting together a plan which when implemented will more than likely become a blueprint for this state, (and even perhaps yours) relative to solving the issue of affordable housing collaboratively.

I don't think you have done any of these things.

And if I wanted to I would hack my way into your computer, but why even risk going to jail for something like that.

I know what the fuck I'm talking about when I speak on issues relative to low income people and possible solutions to the problem. My opinion doesn't come from listening to double chinned talk show hosts, who are nothing more than demagogues that use the frustrations of people like you to get high ratings so that they can get a paycheck. Pimping on the misery and frustrations of others, they are nothing more than parasites. And I know that there will be NO solution without government assistance. And if you brain dead conservatives don't like hearing that, well too fucking bad, because that's the role of this government, to help those who need it.

What you have done is show all the new people just how many beatings I have given you in these "debates" over the years. You spend your time trying to catch me in some sort of lie, yet I don't have to waste my time doing that to you. because that's all conservatism is.


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[Meshuga Mikey]

Thales,

I think that you may want to erase the bullshit you posted up. First of all, I never have said I was an accountant. And as far as the overwieght and two weeks later being in shape thing, I guess you are once again just joking, trying to get me riled up.

Your sense of humor is in very poor taste.

When I began posting up, I was VP of an organization that grew fron nothing to International recognition, and our staff was invited to attend the 1991 African-African American Summit.

We were also asked to present our program at the National African American Student Association summit in 1995 before the Million Man March.

Organizational staff was asked to work in the Million Man March HQ. We were part of a group that also put together an 57 plank agenda for African American community , educational, political and economic development. This plank is in force today, and in a few years you will see just exactly what the outcome will be.

Currently I am Development Director at Habitat for Humanity's affiliate here. I am now in the process of putting together a plan which when implemented will more than likely become a blueprint for this state, (and even perhaps yours) relative to solving the issue of affordable housing collaboratively.

I don't think you have done any of these things.

And if I wanted to I would hack my way into your computer, but why even risk going to jail for something like that.

I know what the fuck I'm talking about when I speak on issues relative to low income people and possible solutions to the problem. My opinion doesn't come from listening to double chinned talk show hosts, who are nothing more than demagogues that use the frustrations of people like you to get high ratings so that they can get a paycheck. Pimping on the misery and frustrations of others, they are nothing more than parasites. And I know that there will be NO solution without government assistance. And if you brain dead conservatives don't like hearing that, well too fucking bad, because that's the role of this government, to help those who need it.

What you have done is show all the new people just how many beatings I have given you in these "debates" over the years. You spend your time trying to catch me in some sort of lie, yet I don't have to waste my time doing that to you. because that's all conservatism is.


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[Jethro Tull]

Both co-be and IM are lying about their backgrounds. Both are close to 100% fabrication.

And neither has the intellectual honesty, either, to follow through on their blatherings.

The assertion was made, and assented to, that the problem with America is the "white male elite." I modestly suggested that you could put your life in line with your big mouths by living without the many advances this terrible elite has wrought upon the earth. Now, suddenly, everything is not black and white . . .

I've always laughed at people who claim to be well educated, yet can't spell. I never spell-check anything, because I don't have to. But if you can't be bothered to at least do that simple task, then your words must not be of much importance to you. They are of even less importance to me. :P

[Jethro Tull]

They wish to come to any rich country. Europe has a greater demand for immigration visas than the US. (location). Running away from poverty / war / persecution does not mean that the place they run to is perfect. It might be preferable, but with room for improvement.

Of course the US has really good marketing in Hollywood.

The statement was made that the rest of the world's people weren't fooled by American politicians. So your answer is: they were fooled by our advertising?

I never said there wasn't room for improvement. Just that we are better than anywhere else.



People do protest in many ways. Look at crime rates. ;) Why should they protest the way you suggest? Why should they refuse to use the subway, which is a good thing, if they are discriminated against in the workplace?

It does not make sense at all.



If all the problems are caused by white males, why not foreswear using those things produced by white males? Is it because they cannot get along without them?

Sorry, if it makes no sense to you, read something else. Don't you have some whales to slaughter?

[Meshuga Mikey]

IM and co-be ~ By the incoherence and spelling and grammatical errors with which your posts are replete, I presume you are young, uneducated, and ignorant.

Most people in the rest of the world have more sense than that.

Ah, yes? And this perhaps is why they wish, in overwhelming numbers, to come to . . . America?

I say that the problem with America has been the white male elite

Well, then, why don't you rebel against it? Reject any medical treatment discovered, pioneered, or invented by a white male American. Don't use any products of companies run by white male Americans. Avoid using any infrastructure built by white male Americans.

Or else, confess to being 100% hypocrites.



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[Meshuga Mikey]

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[co-be]

IM,

"As for rebelling against things white men created, perhaps you (Jethro) need a lesson. For example, medically few ccreations top the creation of blood plasma. This medical invention has saved millions of lives. This was invented by a black man, Dr. Charles Drew.

The first open heart surgery was performed thousands of years ago by a physician named Imhotep. A black man."

That's right! And many more who did not get the credit for their inventions which was taken by some white boss in a position of authority.

"So when you spew out foolishness like what you did when I said that the problem has been the white male elite, you show that maybe it's you who is young, uneducated, and ignorant."

Yep, that about shapes it up...

"Finally when you do say things like this, it shows how you deny, or ignore just exactly how white men gained their advantage. They did so by ccreation of laws and policies, including out right brute force and terror, to gain and maintain whatever power they could get. The denied others the same opportunity because of their race or sex. This is racew based preference I am talking about and how white men used it to get the advvantages in America."

Right again!

"Then they now spin tales about how they came here with nothing, and due to rugged individualism and hard work, they raised themselves up to greatness."

Couldn't have said it better.

Suth

"I'm from Mississippi, so I only have one question. People are surprised that Lott is a vile bigot??

Who didn't know?"

Apparently, a lot of people on this board didn't and still don't. It's either that, or they are bigots themselves...

IM,

"Your sense of humor is in very poor taste. (Jeremy)"

I agree.

Thales,

"All I want to know is why Democrats, certain Libertarians and IM, who turned into a Green over night, can't see the same thing going on in the Jackass Party"

Which Libertarians? Of course it goes on in all the parties, and I doubt IM turned Green overnight.

Jethro

"Both co-be and IM are lying about their backgrounds. "

Everything I posted is true. I guess you think you know me or can prove otherwise?

Claiming to have knowledge of my life, which you don't, is a good illustration of
the validity of your other claims - that is, none.

Incidentally, even if it were a lie, that would be entirely irrelevant to the merits of
my arguments. They can stand on their own, regardless of who makes them.

In logic, would you are suggesting is called an ad hominem attack - trying to argue
the merits of the debater as a person, rather than the points they make.

"But if you can't be bothered to at least do that simple task, then your words must not be of much importance to you. They are of even less importance to me. "

Why, no, it's just that I have better things to do than suit your pedantic obsession over
spelling. The purpose of communication is to convey meaning. If you can understand what I
said, it doesn't matter how poorly it's spelled. And as for their alleged lack of importance to you, you certainly seem to respond a lot. Your actions speak louder than your lies.

In any case, I can spell quite well, better than the vast majority of people and in more languages than the vast majority of Americans. Knowing how to spell doesn't preclude typographical errors. And obsession with spelling is a mark of a low level of intelligence.
It's similar to people who mistake arithmetic for mathematics, and think that someone who
can add and subtract without a calculator must be a "math wiz".


"It boggles the mind why a self proclaimed Libertarian would be such a sycophant for an obvious communist like IM, while he bashes me every chance he gets. "

I don't bash you at all, you're just over-sensitive.
I've agreed and disagreed with you, IM and everyone else on many occassions.
I tend to point out matters on which I agree with IM more than those where I disagree, because there are already plenty of people standing up to him on those.
I'm no one's sycophant, never have been and never will be.

And yet I probably agree with those leftists who are for civil liberties and against war more than with fascist right wingers who defend shit like "total information awareness," rounding up people without charges and waging war all over the world.

However, it does in fact boggle the mind why a self-proclaimed Libertarian would be
so fond of Meshuggah, who does nothing but put up idiotic cartoons and childish insults, many of them with a racist slant, and calls for the killing of millions of innocent civilians and religious bigotry. It also boggles the mind why a self-proclaimed Libertarian
believes the police agencies are always in the right when an anti-government activist is arrested for an alleged crime, or why he would be proud of defacing people's private property to silence their free expression of their opinions.

"I've had the thought going through my mind that co-be is actually an old poster from way back who prolly didn't like me."

Wrong again.....

"If all the problems are caused by white males, "

No one said that. Many = not all - problems, caused by an elite which is mostly (but not entirely) white males, and represents a small minority of white males.

To this elite, the average working class white male is no different from a black woman; what matters is power, not race or sex. And yet, it's also a fact that this elite is overwhelmingly white and male; and there's nothing wrong with this factual description.

[co-be]

Jeremy,

Oh really? Go f--k yourself. How's that for over sensitive?

co-be) Very intelligent remark. Keep showing your bright side...


me:I've agreed and disagreed with you, IM and everyone else on many occassions.
I tend to point out matters on which I agree with IM more than those where I disagree, because there are already plenty of people standing up to him on those.



Jeremy: Total BS.

You've disagreed with IM, what, 1 time maybe?

co-be: LOL. I disagree with IM plenty.

And I point it out on more than a few occassions.

For example see the latest post in the capitalism thread.

It should take no explanation that I disagree with IM.
I'm for completely eliminating government, and he wants to expand it in
many areas. So, if you had any sense you would know there are
plenty of times we don't agree.

"And you agree with IM solely because too many people are picking on him?

What the hell is that?"

Grow up. It's not "picking on him"...there are other people here
to point out every time he is wrong about some big government economic
issue. Why waste my time mooing along with the herd?


"BTW, if you didn't notice, you just contradicted yourself."

I didn't. Try pointing it out?


Me:I'm no one's sycophant, never have been and never will be.


You: You got a funny way of showing it. So far you've been IM's little yapping puppy for socialism.

Me again: Show me one time I've said anything in favor of state socialism.

"If you're no one's sycophant I'm not convinced."

Who cares if you are convinced? I'm not convinced I should give a shit.


Me:However, it does in fact boggle the mind why a self-proclaimed Libertarian would be
so fond of Meshuggah, who does nothing but put up idiotic cartoons and childish insults, many of them with a racist slant, and calls for the killing of millions of innocent civilians and religious bigotry.



Jeremy: You got a problem with jokes?

Me: It depends on the jokes.

"I see IM making racist remarks all the time. Where have you been to call him on those?"

Why should I have to?


"It seems to me you don't play poker much because you are way to predictable with how you play your cards.

(Loud sound of pin dropping on the floor due to co-be's silence.)"

Wrong again, what else is new?



Me:Wrong again.....


"Maybe. But then again, I've been told I was wrong before only to find out later I was right.

So I think I'll be sticking with my theory."

A theory is defined as a supposition backed by evidence and tested against
counter-argument.
You've demonstrated no evidence. A "hunch" is not a theory.

[Meshuga Mikey]

Jeremy,

Oh really? Go f--k yourself. How's that for over sensitive?

co-be) Very intelligent remark. Keep showing your bright side...


me:I've agreed and disagreed with you, IM and everyone else on many occassions.
I tend to point out matters on which I agree with IM more than those where I disagree, because there are already plenty of people standing up to him on those.



Jeremy: Total BS.

You've disagreed with IM, what, 1 time maybe?

co-be: LOL. I disagree with IM plenty.

And I point it out on more than a few occassions.

For example see the latest post in the capitalism thread.

It should take no explanation that I disagree with IM.
I'm for completely eliminating government, and he wants to expand it in
many areas. So, if you had any sense you would know there are
plenty of times we don't agree.

"And you agree with IM solely because too many people are picking on him?

What the hell is that?"

Grow up. It's not "picking on him"...there are other people here
to point out every time he is wrong about some big government economic
issue. Why waste my time mooing along with the herd?


"BTW, if you didn't notice, you just contradicted yourself."

I didn't. Try pointing it out?


Me:I'm no one's sycophant, never have been and never will be.


You: You got a funny way of showing it. So far you've been IM's little yapping puppy for socialism.

Me again: Show me one time I've said anything in favor of state socialism.

"If you're no one's sycophant I'm not convinced."

Who cares if you are convinced? I'm not convinced I should give a shit.


Me:However, it does in fact boggle the mind why a self-proclaimed Libertarian would be
so fond of Meshuggah, who does nothing but put up idiotic cartoons and childish insults, many of them with a racist slant, and calls for the killing of millions of innocent civilians and religious bigotry.



Jeremy: You got a problem with jokes?

Me: It depends on the jokes.

"I see IM making racist remarks all the time. Where have you been to call him on those?"

Why should I have to?


"It seems to me you don't play poker much because you are way to predictable with how you play your cards.

(Loud sound of pin dropping on the floor due to co-be's silence.)"

Wrong again, what else is new?



Me:Wrong again.....


"Maybe. But then again, I've been told I was wrong before only to find out later I was right.

So I think I'll be sticking with my theory."

A theory is defined as a supposition backed by evidence and tested against
counter-argument.
You've demonstrated no evidence. A "hunch" is not a theory.




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