Re:ARE BLACK CONSERVATIVES "UNCLE TOMS"? YES ...

[Meshuga Mikey]

ARE WE BLACK CONSERVATIVES Uncle Toms? This question has haunted me for the past two months. Prior to that, I had absolutely no doubt that I was not an Uncle Tom. My political beliefs were simply different from those of most blacks. Or so I thought.

As you already know, I came to realize that my fellow African-Americans on the other end of the spectrum didn't think that this difference was "simple" at all. Most of the black population, our "leaders" in particular, believe that this difference is actually a manifest sign of evil. To paraphrase Larry Elder, this list is only a tiny fraction of the names black Conservatives have had to endure being called over the past few decades; Oreo, Uncle Tom, Boot-licking Uncle Tom, Straight-up Uncle Tom, Judas, Boy, Bug-eyed, Foot-shuffling, Sugarcane Negro, Handkerchief head, Trojan Horse, Anti-black, Pro-white, Remus, Sambo, Sambo-Tom, The Anti-Christ, Clarence Thomas supporter (as if that's a bad thing), Sniveling weasel, Evil, Ass-kisser, Coconut, Wannabe white, etc.

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Thee MOST telling of all the pinheaded "slurs" would have to be anti-black~!! How does someone hold opinions that demean the color of one's skin,..unless one has a serious case of the dread michael jacksun disease??

Having yet yo be accused of being anti Pink & tan I am a loss~!!!!

So very much Jibber Jabber from the lef~!!

[IM]

Poor old black conservatives.

Well since I am really black, and Jeremy is not, let me weigh in on this subject. Black conservatives are not Uncle Toms.

I mean they have the right to express their opinions however wrong, misguided, or naive they may be.

I think that for a black person to deny that race is a factor in America today is foolish. I think that a black person saying that Affirmative Action is wrong, especially older blacks who benefitted by the law is definetly wrong.

I think that when you become a supreme court justice, and the only way you got into law school at Yale was because of AA, or became a wealthy California construction contractor because of the law, then you say it hurts those it's intended to help you are not only wrong, but selfish.

So no, black conservatives should not be called Uncle Toms, there are many other names to call them, like selfish, arrogant, stupid, brain dead, etc, etc.

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Nobody knows the trouble I've seen.
Nobody knows but Jesus.
Nobody knows the trouble I've seen.
Glory Hallelujah!
Sometimes I'm up,
Sometimes I'm down
Oh, yes, Lord.
Sometimes I'm almost to the ground
Oh, yes, Lord.

I never shall
Forget that day
Oh, yes, Lord,
When Jesus washed my sins away,
Oh, yes, Lord.
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Ya know what? I've heard too many black songs during my life to give a fuck anymore whether they're liberal, democrat or just plain black.

It's a yawner.

[Jethro Tull]

"Yawner" is right! Whether IM is a black fool, a white fool, or some other color fool, the only salient point is that he is a fool.

[IM]

Tell that to my wife's aunt who holds a PH. D in Psychology and is on da welfare.

I am assuming that your wifes aunt is black.

Why is she on welfare Jeremy?

Is it because she has never suceeded, and is sitting at home wating for a handout?

Is it because she is mad at the evil white man, but the reality is that she has never achieved anything, therefore she should not blame the white man for her failures?

Is it because she was admitted into college under AA, and since she was, her Ph.D means nothing because she was allowed entry into college even though her grrades were lower than that deserving white person who quit after 2 semesters?


Or is it because she is being pimped by that old race pimp Jesse, who is telling her that she does not ever have to get up and work, just sit on your ass and the white man will take care of you?

My answer is HELL NO! to all these questions.

If she was a white male, she would be making high dollars today. A PH.d in psychology? She would either be a professor, or have a medical practice. And why isn't she in upper management at a company somewhere, or why isn't she employed for the school system, or anything like that?

You tell me that you know how it is to be black, yet you are the first one to fall for what the race pimps tell you. Jesse Jackson shakes down companies using racism as a threat. Well you see that racism is real, you need look no further than your wifes aunt.

You say that AA is unfair because it discriminates against qualified white males, and allows minorities with less qualifications to get jobs, admitted into schools,and construction contracts, using race as a preference.

Well take a long look at your wifes aunt. I bet there are few people in your city who are more qualfied than she is, and that is to do most every job. I mean she has a Ph. D, she is a Doctor. And yet she is unable to practice in the field she is an expert in. And I bet that there are white men with far less qualfications than she has who are practicing as psychiatrists, who are employed as psychologists in the school system, or who are teaching psychology and other associated courses at the local college in your town, or a town nearby.

What about merit Jeremy? Where is the merit in this instance Jeremy?

This is why I say you conservatives are a bunch of brain dead idiots, and black conservatives are even more ignorant.

Liberal commie blacks are not the only true black people. No, conservative blacks are black too, they are just ignorant, stupid, brain dead, people wioth their heads buried in the sand like the rest of you conservatives.

Gonna tell me about your wifes aunt on welfare, and how you know how it feels to be black and ignore just exactly how racism put her there, man oh man....................

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[lgllady]

As long as black people denigrate other black people who are successful, they are doomed to a downward
spiral. Affirmative action has quit working. It's that simple. Why is it that one black woman with a Ph.D. gets
a job and another one is on welfare? Because at some point, no matter how AA is applied, the job still has
to get done, the skill still has to be there. This is not OZ, where the Wizard can had someone a piece of paper
and that person suddenly has a brain. The recipients of that piece of paper are not Tin Woodsmen who are
magically knowledgable.

[Meshuga Mikey]

Nobody knows the trouble I've seen.
Nobody knows but Jesus.
Nobody knows the trouble I've seen.
Glory Hallelujah!
Sometimes I'm up,
Sometimes I'm down
Oh, yes, Lord.
Sometimes I'm almost to the ground
Oh, yes, Lord.

I never shall
Forget that day
Oh, yes, Lord,
When Jesus washed my sins away,
Oh, yes, Lord.
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Ya know what? I've heard too many black songs during my life to give a fuck anymore whether they're liberal, democrat or just plain black.

It's a yawner.



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[Meshuga Mikey]

As long as black people denigrate other black people who are successful, they are doomed to a downward
spiral. Affirmative action has quit working. It's that simple. Why is it that one black woman with a Ph.D. gets
a job and another one is on welfare? Because at some point, no matter how AA is applied, the job still has
to get done, the skill still has to be there. This is not OZ, where the Wizard can had someone a piece of paper
and that person suddenly has a brain. The recipients of that piece of paper are not Tin Woodsmen who are
magically knowledgable.



THE CLOWNS THAT ATTEMPT TO CONVINCE THE "PEOPLE" THAT THEY CAN NOT TAKE ANY INITIATIIVE AS THEY WILL BE CRUSHED BY WHITEY,........and clowns like he-am need to get a life~!!!

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[Meshuga Mikey]

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[Meshuga Mikey]

LOL.

Here's one for ya, Mikey:

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They are calling the clowns that want to free the PERP mumiacs~ Gotta love that~!!

I WAS VISITOR NUMBER ONE according to the site's counter. which if you had already "visited" the place,.. may mean that the site's management may unknowingly be using counter which was designed by one of those mumiacs~!!


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[truelies]

The odd thing is that a VERY large number of Blacks are at heart Conservative (especially in the social sense).

It is fully possible for Republicans to snag MANY more Black votes than we do at present WITHOUT pandering. School Choice and reducing regulations which are a barrier to starting small businesses are just two issues which are attractive to many Blacks. Thing is that we have to work on building support in Black areas BETWEEN elections and not just 60 days before an Election. Also we have to advertise on Blaclk media and in their newspapers.

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CAN WE GET A BIG AMEN???

AMEN...

[sodaknomad]

The odd thing is that a VERY large number of Blacks are at heart Conservative (especially in the social sense).

It is fully possible for Republicans to snag MANY more Black votes than we do at present WITHOUT pandering. School Choice and reducing regulations which are a barrier to starting small businesses are just two issues which are attractive to many Blacks. Thing is that we have to work on building support in Black areas BETWEEN elections and not just 60 days before an Election. Also we have to advertise on Blaclk media and in their newspapers.


You mean like what Ehrlich did up in the Maryland Soviet Socialist Republic on November 5th?

[IM]

Lglady,

Once again you refuse to accept that there just might be some white people working in jobs out there, and got them due to racial preferences who just might not have the brains to do what the job requires.


Truelies and others,

Let's see, I am black, and while I am conservative on some things, there is no way that you could say I am conservative on social programs. I could be qualified as a fiscal conservative, because I do not support government waste of our tax money. Yet where classic conservatives and I part belief is what is considered waste.

For example I think that maintaining military bases overseas is a large waste of money. Building U.S. Embassies, and U.S. schools, hiring staff and administrations in other nations is a waste as well.

Providing corporations welfare by handing them billions of our dollars to build weapons of mass destruction to sell to other nations, all while making sure that they declare HQ addresses in Bermuda so they do not have to pay taxes is another waste.

Franking, and free travel provided by the rich ass bastards who call themselves representatives is a waste of money as well. But to say that we should not spend money to help the poor, and that we should give the rich as many breaks as possible is not what I call wise.

To say that public schools are failing, and to say that the only alternative is not to repaiur those scjhools, but to provide vouchers to send kids off to private schools, and creating the overcrowded conditions that caused the public school system to be in such a mess in some places, is another waste.

You see in some places the only choice is public schools. Where I live the public schools are far superior than the catholic school system and/ the other christian school. And if you think that kids can get quality educations by being homeschooled, well you might be a little misguided.

And so lets stop using spin such as pandering. let's see when the republicans are trying to get blacks to join their party it's called reaching out, but when the democrats are doing the same thing it's called pandering.

The truth is that neither republicans or democrats have done much to help blacks. The democrats have done a little more, but 1 and 0 are still the smallest positive numbers on the scale. And zero is neutral.

But if you think that blacks are going to rush to athe republican party in large numbers, especially when they have to sit in meetings and listen to people like you guys, you're stark raving mad. None of you can accurately articulate any sensible discourse relative to creating a solution to the problem of race relations. All most of you do is try denying the facts then will scan the cyberglobe for any instance where you can find a black person who speaks harshly about white people, then try turning this into a charge of " look see, blacks are more racists than whites are."

Do you expect a large number of blacks to join the repbulican party when the black face you present is Ward Connerly and Clarence Thomas, who every black person knows are hypocrites. Or do we get to listen to Larry Elders, who will try the classic conservartive debate approach, yell and interrupt so that the other persons viewpoint cannot be heard.

Or Jesse Peterson, who will just sit on his ass crying about how evil Jesse Jackson is, but who has no coherent solution to the problem, yet he is glad to call Jackson a demogogue, yet what he does is the exact definition of the word.

Or do we consider Thomas Sowell, a man with a Ph.d yet claims that AA hurts those it was intended to help just like Thomas and Connerly.

It's funny that you people cannot see why the right wing controlled republican party cannot attract blacks. If the leadership of the republican party were moderate republicans, you would have no trouble at all. But the right wing with it's lies and attempted deception pof the people are not fooling blacks. You cannot become a millionaire, or a supreme court justice using AA as a vehicle then say that it has not helped those it was intended to because it helped them and they were excatly the people it was intended to help.

It don't matter whether or not Oprah Wnfrey's daughter goes to school on AA, because it does not matter in many white circles about Oprahs wealth. Still to a lot of whites, Oprah is one of them rich ass n-words.

This type of thinking must be reduced. And as long as you have Majority leaders talkibng about how they supported segregation and how we wouldn't have the problems we have now if a segregationist had been elected, all while trying to ignore the statement with the why didn't youpeople blast Robert Byrd, the ex-Klansman comeback, you will never gain a lot of black suupport.

You see, Robert Byrd has never held a position of leadership inthe senate. And he has been there quite a long time. You do not see a lot of black support for this man. In fact he lead a one man crusade against the presidents coup to declare war without congressional approval. While Byrd was correct to argue using the constitution as basis for hios argument, you did not see a lot of black people or any other senator run up and support this man.

If that had been Ted Kennedy, or Pelosi, or if Paul Wellstone had led this before his death, you would have seen a lot of support from people of all colors. So when you start talking about Robert Byrd, just remember that. Because Trent Lott was probably a Klansman too. Bob Barr, and when we start talking about conservative christian values, we are in a lot of cases talking about the values of the KKK.

Thales,

You don't know why your wifes aunt is on welfare, but you assume it's her stupid attitude. Have you ever taken the time to check and see just how many white men are working in her profession in your city, and check on their qualifications?

Probably not. I suggest that you do so.

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[Thunder Bay]

No. ;D

[Flyrod]

As long as black people denigrate other black people who are successful, they are doomed to a downward
spiral. Affirmative action has quit working. It's that simple. Why is it that one black woman with a Ph.D. gets
a job and another one is on welfare? Because at some point, no matter how AA is applied, the job still has
to get done, the skill still has to be there. This is not OZ, where the Wizard can had someone a piece of paper
and that person suddenly has a brain. The recipients of
magithat piece of paper are not Tin Woodsmen who arecally knowledgable.

I agree lgllady! However, I retired last year working for the government, a year after I could have retired, because I just got tired of these afirmative action promotions. They called me about 6 months after retirement and asked if I would come back part time and help them out. I told them they had promoted these idiots, and I obviously was not going to help them out now! Just love being retired now and pity the white males that may or may not have to put up with this shitt in the future! I have always heard that college education just gets your foot in the door, but with affirmative action it is like the eveready bunny, it means promotions, etc.etc. In my experience, the government is not going to even provide minimal services in the future!

[lucy]

For the most part, whites internally dismiss black thinkers--Blacks do not know what to do with Thomas Sowells and Walter Williams types, I think....

We are, both sides, at fault, for not listening enough or caring enough about the thought being generated....

We pay lip service to civil rights.

We assume what the other feels far too often.

We are Americans and should remember this fact even more in this day and age.

We cannot change the past, but by God, if we don't do something about our condition soon, we will have a civil war again, imho.

God bless.

[IM]

Lucy,

We know what to do with people like Sowell, Thomes, etc. We listen to what makes sense and dismiss that which does not.

These people are puppets for the right wing who they can bring out to show other whites that there are some black conservatives, so they are not racists.

I have no problem with black conservatives, that's their own belief. But when you start claiming that something which helped you get where you are is bad for someone else, then I have a problem with the way you think.

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