And they are our friends, right?

[Lance]

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/breaking_9.html

You would think we would learn. ::)

Wonderful.

Just like Pollard all over again. How long are we going to continue to trust them?

China has a real shot at becoming a super-power and has not always like the US. Israel helping them militarily is beyond belief.

When is anyone going to wake up? When we have dead Americans strown everywhere?

[covert]

>:(
Should this surprise anyone? I remember about two years ago a news story about how many anti-American countries are members of the United Nations. China is probably anti-America too. Maybe these countries, including China should be watched more closely. In my opinion, China is up to something. >:(

[Descartes]

Huh. . . this is pretty interesting. Goes along with a conspiracy theory I thought up awhile ago. Back in college I had to take a poly sci course. The class was pretty low level stuff. We had to write a paper. I forget the exact assignment, but we had to present our topic before being given the go-ahead to write the paper. I chose to write a paper on how the U.S. was going to find devious ways to build China up to Superpower status so as to instigate another cold war. The theory here being that the cold war was good for the U.S. and the U.S. military preferred a cold war status to kind of keep the world in check. I was called in to a private meeting with the prof. who asked me to change my topic. He had recently immigrated to the U.S. from Eastern Europe somewhere and was actually afraid to have to put a grade on a paper with that as its topic. :D I did a little research and came up with some pretty good arguments, but then since the prof. didn't want me to I switched the topic to something a little more boring. In my efforts though, I really couldn't come to grips with whether or not this would be a bad thing or a good thing. There's benefits and detriments to either side here. Yeah there's the overwhelming fear of Global Thermal Nuclear War, but mutually assured destruction is a pretty good deterent. Who knows???

Excellent point, Descartes. A build up militarily of another superpower would justify another build up here.

BTW and a little off topic. Have you ever studied anything about Nikola Tesla?

[greginboise]

You people need to bone up on your military equipment data. Current US equipment, training and doctrine, in ALL aspects of conventional warfare, puts us so far into the lead, that no nation has any hope of catching up. While helping the Chinese improve their aircraft may not be seen as helpful, it is higly doubtful that anything they do would render the PLA air force as anything more than a minor nuisance. If it is seen as a major threat, you can be sure a nastygram would be forthcoming, as was in the case of the radar.

The US military is orders of magnitude better than anything else on the planet. You all would do well to remember that, before pressing the panic button.

[the bib]

Whatever.

Just boycott Chinese goods.

If it says made in China ... buy something else or do without.

Americans can still rule withour vote and our dollar if we'd only stand up to be counted.

[Descartes]

Excellent point, Descartes. A build up militarily of another superpower would justify another build up here.

BTW and a little off topic. Have you ever studied anything about Nikola Tesla?




I know a little. Interesting fellow that guy. Most of it is conjecture though.

[Slipped Mickey]

Whatever.

Just boycott Chinese goods.

If it says made in China ... buy something else or do without.

Americans can still rule withour vote and our dollar if we'd only stand up to be counted.


Bib - Two years ago I decided to boycott goods made in China. It's damn near impossible. Almost everything is made in China.

Spend the next 6 months looking at where things are made. It's beyond belief. Then you will understand why the Bush Administration like the Clinton Administration is so pro-China. Business. But it is not good business. The balance of trade is heavily in China's favor. Who getting rich off of China - a relatively few Americans while the United States is losing in the proposition. Who pulls Bush's strings? Big business.

[lucy]

The concept of "friend" when referring to national/international interests bothers me. We are mutually interdependent these days--China and the US. Should one party be seriously threatened by the other, the relationship could change in a heartbeat. But, fact remains, China is a major player---and should be treated as such. For a variety of reasons...

It is rather like alignments one sees in game theory. Who is allied with whom for what purpose, what payoff, what agenda or goal....In my view, we simply cannot fathom what is actually planned behind closed doors (in what used to be smokey parlors) over champagne and caviar among the elites....Oh, to be a fly on those walls....

just some thoughts....

[Jethro Tull]

Bib - Two years ago I decided to boycott goods made in China. It's damn near impossible. Almost everything is made in China.

Spend the next 6 months looking at where things are made. It's beyond belief. Then you will understand why the Bush Administration like the Clinton Administration is so pro-China. Business. But it is not good business. The balance of trade is heavily in China's favor. Who getting rich off of China - a relatively few Americans while the United States is losing in the proposition. Who pulls Bush's strings? Big business.


Can you explain to me how we are losing? If the goods are overpriced, we would not buy them. If they are fairly priced, how are we losing?

I love this "balance of trade" garbage. For example, if I buy a $30,000 Japanese auto (one really made in Japan, not in the USA), presumably I have negotiated with the dealer until I am satisfied with the price and the car. So is the dealer. I get the car, he gets the money - both sides are happy, so isn't this an even exchange, then?

Well, not according to the trade figures. They will show the transaction as a $30,000 DEFICIT to Japan, as if I spent 30K and got NOTHING AT ALL in return. If that makes sense to you, then maybe we have a "balance of trade" problem. If it doesn't, perhaps it is a perception problem, instead.

[buzaw]

Consider this. Israel's strategy in this may be to insure a formidable enemy to her Islamic armies surrounding her. Islam, in it's quest for global supremacy must eventually deal with China. China, in it's frenzie to be secularistic global bully superpower, must deal with Islam. As I study the Biblical prophecies, I see the "kings of the east" mixing it up with the Russo-Arab dominated "desert storm" of Jerusalem called ARMAGEDDON.

There, imo will be others including nato as players in this, but by this time these two powers will dominate the world scene and will be key players in this final war of what Jesus called, '"the times of the Gentiles." The carnage will indeed be great. :o

[Slipped Mickey]

Bib - Two years ago I decided to boycott goods made in China. It's damn near impossible. Almost everything is made in China.

Spend the next 6 months looking at where things are made. It's beyond belief. Then you will understand why the Bush Administration like the Clinton Administration is so pro-China. Business. But it is not good business. The balance of trade is heavily in China's favor. Who getting rich off of China - a relatively few Americans while the United States is losing in the proposition. Who pulls Bush's strings? Big business.


Can you explain to me how we are losing? If the goods are overpriced, we would not buy them. If they are fairly priced, how are we losing?

I love this "balance of trade" garbage. For example, if I buy a $30,000 Japanese auto (one really made in Japan, not in the USA), presumably I have negotiated with the dealer until I am satisfied with the price and the car. So is the dealer. I get the car, he gets the money - both sides are happy, so isn't this an even exchange, then?

Well, not according to the trade figures. They will show the transaction as a $30,000 DEFICIT to Japan, as if I spent 30K and got NOTHING AT ALL in return. If that makes sense to you, then maybe we have a "balance of trade" problem. If it doesn't, perhaps it is a perception problem, instead.


To begin with America is now a service industry nation. Over two thirds of the jobs in the US involve no manufacturing. That is not good. We even outsource parts for military equipment including aircraft.

We are making less money from China than they are making from us. US money is building China's military and doing so rapidly. China is putting an inordinant amount of money toward its military. At the same time China has tremendous social problems caused in no small way by the government's lack of attention to its domestic issues. China then pleads to the US and others to help stem China's massive HIV problem. And we are and we will.

China is NOT an ally. China has never said that it was. She has said much the opposite. You tell me who you think gains the most from our trade with China?