Christians

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[Satan]

;D ;D

Those f**king polls >:( ;D

I couldn't vote in your poll bad because there wasn't an option for me. I believe in way more than one God. That's the main reason my last athiest boyfriend dumped me. He couldn't handle someone who believed in one God; I just sent his poor ass on a tail spin.

[Aussie Thinker]

I want more options in your polls BN..

I gotsta admit I love the idea of these polls but I don’t think we take them terribly seriously.

[truelies]

I couldn't vote in your poll bad because there wasn't an option for me. I believe in way more than one God. That's the main reason my last athiest boyfriend dumped me. He couldn't handle someone who believed in one God; I just sent his poor ass on a tail spin.


Do you REALLY believe that your pagan dieties exist or is your religion more of a hobby with the added benefit of getting a rise out of folks you enjoy annoying ??????

I want more options in your polls BN..

I gotsta admit I love the idea of these polls but I don’t think we take them terribly seriously.



There ya go, AT. I added more options to the poll. Happy now? :)

I couldn't vote in your poll bad because there wasn't an option for me. I believe in way more than one God. That's the main reason my last athiest boyfriend dumped me. He couldn't handle someone who believed in one God; I just sent his poor ass on a tail spin.


Do you REALLY believe that your pagan dieties exist or is your religion more of a hobby with the added benefit of getting a rise out of folks you enjoy annoying ??????


I'm not going to grace your stupid question with an answer, but I will ask you a question that will, I hope, help you realize just how insulting a question like that is.

Do you really believe your christian god exists or is your religion more of a hobby with the added benefit of gettiing a rise out of folks you enjoy annoying????

[Slipped Mickey]

I couldn't vote in your poll bad because there wasn't an option for me. I believe in way more than one God. That's the main reason my last athiest boyfriend dumped me. He couldn't handle someone who believed in one God; I just sent his poor ass on a tail spin.


Do you REALLY believe that your pagan dieties exist or is your religion more of a hobby with the added benefit of getting a rise out of folks you enjoy annoying ??????


I'm not going to grace your stupid question with an answer, but I will ask you a question that will, I hope, help you realize just how insulting a question like that is.

Do you really believe your christian god exists or is your religion more of a hobby with the added benefit of gettiing a rise out of folks you enjoy annoying????


truelies is jealous. Pagans have more holidays. <and you don't have to dress up ;) >

[buzaw]

I didn't vote because I'm not hoping to die.

[covert]

I couldn't vote in your poll bad because there wasn't an option for me. I believe in way more than one God. That's the main reason my last athiest boyfriend dumped me. He couldn't handle someone who believed in one God; I just sent his poor ass on a tail spin.


Do you REALLY believe that your pagan dieties exist or is your religion more of a hobby with the added benefit of getting a rise out of folks you enjoy annoying ??????


I'm not going to grace your stupid question with an answer, but I will ask you a question that will, I hope, help you realize just how insulting a question like that is.

Do you really believe your christian god exists or is your religion more of a hobby with the added benefit of gettiing a rise out of folks you enjoy annoying????


truelies is jealous. Pagans have more holidays. <and you don't have to dress up ;) >
::) And why do people have to dress up in Church anyway? From what I understand about religion, God looks at the heart, not the outward appearance. And what about those poor folks who can't afford dress clothes, and therefore don't go to Church because they can't dress like the other people in there?


???

I couldn't vote in your poll bad because there wasn't an option for me. I believe in way more than one God. That's the main reason my last athiest boyfriend dumped me. He couldn't handle someone who believed in one God; I just sent his poor ass on a tail spin.


Do you REALLY believe that your pagan dieties exist or is your religion more of a hobby with the added benefit of getting a rise out of folks you enjoy annoying ??????


I'm not going to grace your stupid question with an answer, but I will ask you a question that will, I hope, help you realize just how insulting a question like that is.

Do you really believe your christian god exists or is your religion more of a hobby with the added benefit of gettiing a rise out of folks you enjoy annoying????


truelies is jealous. Pagans have more holidays. <and you don't have to dress up ;) >
::) And why do people have to dress up in Church anyway? From what I understand about religion, God looks at the heart, not the outward appearance. And what about those poor folks who can't afford dress clothes, and therefore don't go to Church because they can't dress like the other people in there?


???


Don't ask me, the dressing up bit isn't my hang up. If someone turns up for one of my rituals in torn jeans and a t-shirt because that's what s/he can afford I'm ok with it. I don't care what you wear so long as you don't smell bad, and you don't come in with a bad attitude trying to disrupt things.

For some rituals I do dress up very nicely in one of my pretty ritual gowns, but for the most part come as you are. If it's an outdoor ritual in the winter come dressed warmly and stay close to the fire.

[Slipped Mickey]

It's difficult to meditate in something uncomfortable. Zen Buddhists wear baggy clothes, sweat pants and such.

It's difficult to meditate in something uncomfortable. Zen Buddhists wear baggy clothes, sweat pants and such.


Sometimes we go nude, in the words of the great Christopher Lee as Lord Summerisle in The Wicker Man, "Well of course, it's much to dangerous to jump the fire in clothes."

It's difficult to meditate in something uncomfortable. Zen Buddhists wear baggy clothes, sweat pants and such.


Sometimes we go nude, in the words of the great Christopher Lee as Lord Summerisle in The Wicker Man, "Well of course, it's much to dangerous to jump the fire in clothes."


Jump the fire in the nude? I thought barbed wire was bad.

I'm thinking 'roasted weenies' :P

[truelies]

I couldn't vote in your poll bad because there wasn't an option for me. I believe in way more than one God. That's the main reason my last athiest boyfriend dumped me. He couldn't handle someone who believed in one God; I just sent his poor ass on a tail spin.


Do you REALLY believe that your pagan dieties exist or is your religion more of a hobby with the added benefit of getting a rise out of folks you enjoy annoying ??????


I'm not going to grace your stupid question with an answer, but I will ask you a question that will, I hope, help you realize just how insulting a question like that is.

Do you really believe your christian god exists or is your religion more of a hobby with the added benefit of gettiing a rise out of folks you enjoy annoying????


Yes I DO believe that God exists.

Is MY initial question to you really all that unreasonable? The intent certainly was not to insult you. In my City for example it would be VERY hard to sell Chevy's if one were known to not be a 'christian'. So we have many people who maintain a facade of religion with no inner heart for the Faith because it is good for business. On the otherhand there are also plenty among the younger set who adopt a Pagan pose BECAUSE of the effect they KNOW it will have on the old farts. But they sure as heck don't see Odin or Thor as real or Ragnarok as the 'end of days'.

So I guess I am asking if you regard the various Deities of the old religion as having an objective existence regardless of OUR belief in them?

[buzaw]

And why do people have to dress up in Church anyway? From what I understand about religion, God looks at the heart, not the outward appearance. And what about those poor folks who can't afford dress clothes, and therefore don't go to Church because they can't dress like the other people in there?

"The other people in there" so far as most churches go are dressed all sorts of ways, according to their own desires with nobody snubbing them for dress. 50 years ago and before, most church folk had their "Sunday gota meetin" outfits, but even then if in the many churches I've been in someone in Levi's was equally as welcome. You go into a nice business office you often see suits n ties. But that's becoming more of the exception too. Many older folks like me were brought up to have a certain respect for the day and the church, much like in a business office so we tend to dress up, but that does not mean we shun or look down on folks in ordinary street clothes.

This fallacy that the poor can't afford nice clothes if they wish for church is just that -- fallacy. Most of my clothes come from the Salvation Army "botique" or household sales. None of my best suits cost more than a ten spot and at rummage sales they can be had for $2 and up. A little polish makes most shoes look good and nice ones are available at the thrifts.

A friend once assured me he'd go to church if he had a suit. I said he didn't need one to be welcome, but he said if he had a suit he'd go. I went to the thrift store n bought a suit for him for $6 and paid a lady another
$10 or so to tailor it to fit well. I gave him the suit, but he never showed up in church. So I am inclined to believe this is nothing but a phony excuse for those who really feel church is a good exercise, not to go.

[Slipped Mickey]

Ah yes.

"It's no sin to be poor but you don't have to dress like it." ~ Zorro, the Gay Blade

[buzaw]

Ah yes.

"It's no sin to be poor but you don't have to dress like it." ~ Zorro, the Gay Blade


Right. At least in most of the Western world. There are some destitute to the point of dire lack of necessities. Anyone wishing to help these can send blankets and good clothes to Voice of the Martyrs. I believe their website is persecution.com. They recommend sending $2 per blanket or box along to help with the distribution. They help others as well as Christians worldwide, often at great risk to the ones who fly the goods in and distribute them.

[tileman]

I've never seen clothing type or style to be an issue in any church that I've gone to here in CA, and I guess I've been to most denominations and a couple of cults.

I couldn't vote in your poll bad because there wasn't an option for me. I believe in way more than one God. That's the main reason my last athiest boyfriend dumped me. He couldn't handle someone who believed in one God; I just sent his poor ass on a tail spin.


Do you REALLY believe that your pagan dieties exist or is your religion more of a hobby with the added benefit of getting a rise out of folks you enjoy annoying ??????


I'm not going to grace your stupid question with an answer, but I will ask you a question that will, I hope, help you realize just how insulting a question like that is.

Do you really believe your christian god exists or is your religion more of a hobby with the added benefit of gettiing a rise out of folks you enjoy annoying????


Yes I DO believe that God exists.

Is MY initial question to you really all that unreasonable? The intent certainly was not to insult you. In my City for example it would be VERY hard to sell Chevy's if one were known to not be a 'christian'. So we have many people who maintain a facade of religion with no inner heart for the Faith because it is good for business. On the otherhand there are also plenty among the younger set who adopt a Pagan pose BECAUSE of the effect they KNOW it will have on the old farts. But they sure as heck don't see Odin or Thor as real or Ragnarok as the 'end of days'.

So I guess I am asking if you regard the various Deities of the old religion as having an objective existence regardless of OUR belief in them?


Thank you for explaining your itent. That being your intent I will answer your question, and I will add my views on what you just said above.

Yes, I do in fact believe in my Deities, probably as fervently as you believe in yours. I didn't adopt this religion as a rebellious facade, and I quite frankly don't care if people react to it or not.

As for people who use their "faith" as a way of making money or a point, I don't have any respect for that at all, and I am as offended by the teens who do it to get a rise out of their parents as I am of those who do if for business purposes. I have a very simple rule of thumb when doing business. I don't go to merchants who put "Jesus is Lord" or anything else like that on their ads. Why? Because they are using a belief that is dear and very important to a lot of people to pander for business. That's cheapening something that is central to the lives of millions of people, and to me that's disgusting. I'll caveat that statement by saying that if I need to get a gift for my parents I will go to a Christian bookstore and buy stuff, but there I expect to see signs that say "Jesus is Lord."

I've never seen clothing type or style to be an issue in any church that I've gone to here in CA, and I guess I've been to most denominations and a couple of cults.


I have seen it be an issue in the church my mother used to go to. A man came in once wearing a pair of jeans and a clean, non-offensive t-shirt. He was asked, not so politely, to leave because he obviously didn't take God seriously enough to dress up. He tried to explain that he didn't have anything else.

[Meshuga Mikey]

I've never seen clothing type or style to be an issue in any church that I've gone to here in CA, and I guess I've been to most denominations and a couple of cults.


I have seen it be an issue in the church my mother used to go to. A man came in once wearing a pair of jeans and a clean, non-offensive t-shirt. He was asked, not so politely, to leave because he obviously didn't take God seriously enough to dress up. He tried to explain that he didn't have anything else.


There are all manner of churches, and all manner of reasons to not assume that they are all the same~!!

http://people.delphiforums.com/artcruncher/YulTHIS.jpg

[Ed Edwards]

/ed thumbs thru the yellow pages/
/looking for "First Reformed Chruch
of the Living Savior, Casual :) /

[Meshuga Mikey]

/ed thumbs thru the yellow pages/
/looking for "First Reformed Chruch
of the Living Savior, Casual :) /


van nuys van nuys~!!!

[Ed Edwards]

When i was 12 or so someone gave me a
map of "Houston, Pasedena, and Vicinity".
I found Houston and Pasedena
but no "Vicinity" :)

When i was 13 or so someone gave me a
map of "Los Angeles, Pasedena, and Vicinity".
I found Los Angeles, Pasedena (and to
be on topic also Van Nuys) but no
Vicinity.

Later i found out what "vicinity" means :)

[buzaw]

I have a very simple rule of thumb when doing business. I don't go to merchants who put "Jesus is Lord" or anything else like that on their ads. Why? Because they are using a belief that is dear and very important to a lot of people to pander for business.

Liz, fwiw, Bible verses are not used by evangelicals to gain business. We are aware that the majority are not turned on to Bible verses, so why should posting verses or evangelical statements help us do business?? I suppose by having the verse below below each post as I do will make more of you others read me? That's really silly, isn't it now?

I have the same verse on my business card for one purpose and only one -- to promote Christ and Christianity. Why? Because I think enough of others to share something good I have with them and hopefully this verse will stimulate others to begin traveling that straight and narrow road that leads to the pearly gates.

Your religious persuasion really has no saving message, so you have nothing really to promote, but to us who do, we at least have enough care for others to share something we feel they need.

[Slipped Mickey]

Your religious persuasion really has no saving message, so you have nothing really to promote, but to us who do, we at least have enough care for others to share something we feel they need.


Why do people need a saving message? Buddhists don't need a saving message. Jews don't need a saving message. Pagans don't need a saving message. Agnostics don't need a saving message. Atheists don't need a saving message. Who needs a saving message? Christians. Christians do Buzz because they believe in being "lost" therefore they must believe in being saved. Think about this for a second Buzz if you don't believe you are lost you don't feel the need to be saved. A saving message is nothing to a person who doesn't believe he or she is "lost".

What if I were to pester the living dog shit out of you about the need to become enlightened? Interested?

Think about it.

I have a very simple rule of thumb when doing business. I don't go to merchants who put "Jesus is Lord" or anything else like that on their ads. Why? Because they are using a belief that is dear and very important to a lot of people to pander for business.

Liz, fwiw, Bible verses are not used by evangelicals to gain business. We are aware that the majority are not turned on to Bible verses, so why should posting verses or evangelical statements help us do business?? I suppose by having the verse below below each post as I do will make more of you others read me? That's really silly, isn't it now?

I have the same verse on my business card for one purpose and only one -- to promote Christ and Christianity. Why? Because I think enough of others to share something good I have with them and hopefully this verse will stimulate others to begin traveling that straight and narrow road that leads to the pearly gates.

Your religious persuasion really has no saving message, so you have nothing really to promote, but to us who do, we at least have enough care for others to share something we feel they need.








Well feel free to pander your God like a cheap whore if you want to. I will continue to feel free to not do business with people who do that.

My dad, who is a very devout Christian, never felt the need to pander his God that way. He also doesn't do business with people who put Bible verses on their businesses for the same reasons I have given.

[buzaw]

Your religious persuasion really has no saving message, so you have nothing really to promote, but to us who do, we at least have enough care for others to share something we feel they need.


Why do people need a saving message?

My religion teaches that all are lost, needing a saviour. Would it then be right for me to ignore the fact that others are lost when I can offer a solution?


What if I were to pester the living dog shit out of you about the need to become enlightened?

Who's pestering or dogging anybody here? Is a small poster in one's window imposing on anyone? If you don't figure your religion is worth promoting, fine. I don't think I need it either, but I'd think that if you really believed it was helpful to me, I'd certainly not blame you for sharing or advertizing it.

Imo, Liz is simply boycotting a religious ideology and maligning the owner as to his motives for what he believes is right to do in practice of his religion.

This is unjustified Christophobicism, plain n simple, on the parts of both of you, imo.

I have a very simple rule of thumb when doing business. I don't go to merchants who put "Jesus is Lord" or anything else like that on their ads. Why? Because they are using a belief that is dear and very important to a lot of people to pander for business.

Liz, fwiw, Bible verses are not used by evangelicals to gain business. We are aware that the majority are not turned on to Bible verses, so why should posting verses or evangelical statements help us do business?? I suppose by having the verse below below each post as I do will make more of you others read me? That's really silly, isn't it now?

I have the same verse on my business card for one purpose and only one -- to promote Christ and Christianity. Why? Because I think enough of others to share something good I have with them and hopefully this verse will stimulate others to begin traveling that straight and narrow road that leads to the pearly gates.

Your religious persuasion really has no saving message, so you have nothing really to promote, but to us who do, we at least have enough care for others to share something we feel they need.








Well feel free to pander your God like a cheap whore if you want to. I will continue to feel free to not do business with people who do that.

My dad, who is a very devout Christian, never felt the need to pander his God that way. He also doesn't do business with people who put Bible verses on their businesses for the same reasons I have given.


I don't trust people who put scripture on their business cards either. I think it's a cheap and shallow way to present their faith. Action speaks louder than words and I don't care what you believe, I care how you treat me, is it fair, honest and above board?

Some of the hardest times I've had to collect my money was from people who touted their Christianity on their business cards, their vehicle, their business, etc. Sorry, it's a red flag when I see it.

[truelies]

[quote author=Slipped Mickey


Why do people need a saving message? Buddhists don't need a saving message. Jews don't need a saving message. Pagans don't need a saving message. Agnostics don't need a saving message. Atheists don't need a saving message. Who needs a saving message? Christians. Christians do Buzz because they believe in being "lost" therefore they must believe in being saved. Think about this for a second Buzz if you don't believe you are lost you don't feel the need to be saved. A saving message is nothing to a person who doesn't believe he or she is "lost".

What if I were to pester the living dog shit out of you about the need to become enlightened? Interested?

Think about it.
[/quote]

If you do not believe that YOU are lost, then you in fact need the message of Salvation most of all. God does not give atheists, pagans, buddhist, etc. a pass because they choose not to believe. After all it is His Game His Rules.

[Slipped Mickey]

If you do not believe that YOU are lost, then you in fact need the message of Salvation most of all. God does not give atheists, pagans, buddhist, etc. a pass because they choose not to believe. After all it is His Game His Rules.

That is what YOU believe. The rest of us should be free to believe as we do or believe in nothing at all. We should be able to do so in peace - without interference. Except for fundies of whatever faith the rest of us are quite willing to extend to you the same. We expect you to have no more and no less. We don't want government involved in religion, any religion, including our own - and including yours. No one's.

Beleive about me as you will, that I am lost and going to hell or whatever, but you have no right to impose your belief on me in any way, shape, or form.

[Slipped Mickey]

I have a very simple rule of thumb when doing business. I don't go to merchants who put "Jesus is Lord" or anything else like that on their ads. Why? Because they are using a belief that is dear and very important to a lot of people to pander for business.

Liz, fwiw, Bible verses are not used by evangelicals to gain business. We are aware that the majority are not turned on to Bible verses, so why should posting verses or evangelical statements help us do business?? I suppose by having the verse below below each post as I do will make more of you others read me? That's really silly, isn't it now?

I have the same verse on my business card for one purpose and only one -- to promote Christ and Christianity. Why? Because I think enough of others to share something good I have with them and hopefully this verse will stimulate others to begin traveling that straight and narrow road that leads to the pearly gates.

Your religious persuasion really has no saving message, so you have nothing really to promote, but to us who do, we at least have enough care for others to share something we feel they need.








Well feel free to pander your God like a cheap whore if you want to. I will continue to feel free to not do business with people who do that.

My dad, who is a very devout Christian, never felt the need to pander his God that way. He also doesn't do business with people who put Bible verses on their businesses for the same reasons I have given.


I don't trust people who put scripture on their business cards either. I think it's a cheap and shallow way to present their faith. Action speaks louder than words and I don't care what you believe, I care how you treat me, is it fair, honest and above board?

Some of the hardest times I've had to collect my money was from people who touted their Christianity on their business cards, their vehicle, their business, etc. Sorry, it's a red flag when I see it.


You said it lonestar! My experience has been that if you have to advertise it you aren't convinced yourself. I refuse to do business with people who adverstise their religion on their company cards, trucks, building. They are no more trustworthy than the other guy. PLUS with the other guy chances are better you won't get witnessed.

Your religious persuasion really has no saving message, so you have nothing really to promote, but to us who do, we at least have enough care for others to share something we feel they need.


Why do people need a saving message?

My religion teaches that all are lost, needing a saviour. Would it then be right for me to ignore the fact that others are lost when I can offer a solution?


What if I were to pester the living dog shit out of you about the need to become enlightened?

Who's pestering or dogging anybody here? Is a small poster in one's window imposing on anyone? If you don't figure your religion is worth promoting, fine. I don't think I need it either, but I'd think that if you really believed it was helpful to me, I'd certainly not blame you for sharing or advertizing it.

Imo, Liz is simply boycotting a religious ideology and maligning the owner as to his motives for what he believes is right to do in practice of his religion.

This is unjustified Christophobicism, plain n simple, on the parts of both of you, imo.


Believe what you like to buzzy, but it doesn't make it true. I know other Christians who refuse to do business with the same people for the same reasons. I would also boycott the business of a Pagan that had "Goddess Bless" on their signage.

[Descartes]

Your religious persuasion really has no saving message, so you have nothing really to promote, but to us who do, we at least have enough care for others to share something we feel they need.


Why do people need a saving message?

My religion teaches that all are lost, needing a saviour. Would it then be right for me to ignore the fact that others are lost when I can offer a solution?


What if I were to pester the living dog shit out of you about the need to become enlightened?

Who's pestering or dogging anybody here? Is a small poster in one's window imposing on anyone? If you don't figure your religion is worth promoting, fine. I don't think I need it either, but I'd think that if you really believed it was helpful to me, I'd certainly not blame you for sharing or advertizing it.

Imo, Liz is simply boycotting a religious ideology and maligning the owner as to his motives for what he believes is right to do in practice of his religion.

This is unjustified Christophobicism, plain n simple, on the parts of both of you, imo.


Believe what you like to buzzy, but it doesn't make it true. I know other Christians who refuse to do business with the same people for the same reasons. I would also boycott the business of a Pagan that had "Goddess Bless" on their signage.


While it is your right to refuse to do business with anyone you wish, I just wish to point out that it is also their right to post whatever they wish (assuming private ownership here)

Your religious persuasion really has no saving message, so you have nothing really to promote, but to us who do, we at least have enough care for others to share something we feel they need.


Why do people need a saving message?

My religion teaches that all are lost, needing a saviour. Would it then be right for me to ignore the fact that others are lost when I can offer a solution?


What if I were to pester the living dog shit out of you about the need to become enlightened?

Who's pestering or dogging anybody here? Is a small poster in one's window imposing on anyone? If you don't figure your religion is worth promoting, fine. I don't think I need it either, but I'd think that if you really believed it was helpful to me, I'd certainly not blame you for sharing or advertizing it.

Imo, Liz is simply boycotting a religious ideology and maligning the owner as to his motives for what he believes is right to do in practice of his religion.

This is unjustified Christophobicism, plain n simple, on the parts of both of you, imo.


Believe what you like to buzzy, but it doesn't make it true. I know other Christians who refuse to do business with the same people for the same reasons. I would also boycott the business of a Pagan that had "Goddess Bless" on their signage.


While it is your right to refuse to do business with anyone you wish, I just wish to point out that it is also their right to post whatever they wish (assuming private ownership here)


True, it's also my right to point out his error in assuming to know my motives in doing this.

I get sick of being called Christophobic by small minded bigots like buzsaw, just because I don't agree with him.

[Descartes]

Your religious persuasion really has no saving message, so you have nothing really to promote, but to us who do, we at least have enough care for others to share something we feel they need.


Why do people need a saving message?

My religion teaches that all are lost, needing a saviour. Would it then be right for me to ignore the fact that others are lost when I can offer a solution?


What if I were to pester the living dog shit out of you about the need to become enlightened?

Who's pestering or dogging anybody here? Is a small poster in one's window imposing on anyone? If you don't figure your religion is worth promoting, fine. I don't think I need it either, but I'd think that if you really believed it was helpful to me, I'd certainly not blame you for sharing or advertizing it.

Imo, Liz is simply boycotting a religious ideology and maligning the owner as to his motives for what he believes is right to do in practice of his religion.

This is unjustified Christophobicism, plain n simple, on the parts of both of you, imo.


Believe what you like to buzzy, but it doesn't make it true. I know other Christians who refuse to do business with the same people for the same reasons. I would also boycott the business of a Pagan that had "Goddess Bless" on their signage.


While it is your right to refuse to do business with anyone you wish, I just wish to point out that it is also their right to post whatever they wish (assuming private ownership here)


True, it's also my right to point out his error in assuming to know my motives in doing this.

I get sick of being called Christophobic by small minded bigots like buzsaw, just because I don't agree with him.


You're not used to that yet? ;)

[buzaw]

I don't trust people who put scripture on their business cards either. I think it's a cheap and shallow way to present their faith. Action speaks louder than words and I don't care what you believe, I care how you treat me, is it fair, honest and above board?

Some of the hardest times I've had to collect my money was from people who touted their Christianity on their business cards, their vehicle, their business, etc. Sorry, it's a red flag when I see it.


Do you see red flags at each of my posts with the scripture logo on the bottom?

Folks who get my business card with the verse on the back know my yeas are yea and my nays nay. They deal with me confidently knowing my record of several decades of honest dealing. I don't know what you're talking about. Be honest. How many business cards have you received with scripture on them and how many businesses have Bible signs in their windows. In my forty plus years of business I doubt I've received over three or four. I've never had any problem that I remember of from these. Are Texans different or what?

[buzaw]

Your religious persuasion really has no saving message, so you have nothing really to promote, but to us who do, we at least have enough care for others to share something we feel they need.


Why do people need a saving message?

My religion teaches that all are lost, needing a saviour. Would it then be right for me to ignore the fact that others are lost when I can offer a solution?


What if I were to pester the living dog shit out of you about the need to become enlightened?

Who's pestering or dogging anybody here? Is a small poster in one's window imposing on anyone? If you don't figure your religion is worth promoting, fine. I don't think I need it either, but I'd think that if you really believed it was helpful to me, I'd certainly not blame you for sharing or advertizing it.

Imo, Liz is simply boycotting a religious ideology and maligning the owner as to his motives for what he believes is right to do in practice of his religion.

This is unjustified Christophobicism, plain n simple, on the parts of both of you, imo.


Believe what you like to buzzy, but it doesn't make it true. I know other Christians who refuse to do business with the same people for the same reasons. I would also boycott the business of a Pagan that had "Goddess Bless" on their signage.


While it is your right to refuse to do business with anyone you wish, I just wish to point out that it is also their right to post whatever they wish (assuming private ownership here)



True, it's also my right to point out his error in assuming to know my motives in doing this.

Then is it ok for you to judge the motives of the store owner with the sign?


I get sick of being called Christophobic by small minded bigots like buzsaw, just because I don't agree with him.


Is it that, or are you just sick of having your phobics challenged? Wouldn't it be dull around town without this? :)

I don't trust people who put scripture on their business cards either. I think it's a cheap and shallow way to present their faith. Action speaks louder than words and I don't care what you believe, I care how you treat me, is it fair, honest and above board?

Some of the hardest times I've had to collect my money was from people who touted their Christianity on their business cards, their vehicle, their business, etc. Sorry, it's a red flag when I see it.


Do you see red flags at each of my posts with the scripture logo on the bottom?

Folks who get my business card with the verse on the back know my yeas are yea and my nays nay. They deal with me confidently knowing my record of several decades of honest dealing. I don't know what you're talking about. Be honest. How many business cards have you received with scripture on them and how many businesses have Bible signs in their windows. In my forty plus years of business I doubt I've received over three or four. I've never had any problem that I remember of from these. Are Texans different or what?


We got a lot of Baptist, Assembly of God and most of the Pentecostal flavors here. 1 out of 3 will tout their religion somewhere in their business. I was burned one time real bad by a so-called born-again. I don't blame Christianity, I blame that asshole who used religion to hide his cheating heart.

[buzaw]

We got a lot of Baptist, Assembly of God and most of the Pentecostal flavors here. 1 out of 3 will tout their religion somewhere in their business. I was burned one time real bad by a so-called born-again. I don't blame Christianity, I blame that asshole who used religion to hide his cheating heart.


Should the one give reason to suspect all? Yah, I've been burnt badly by more than one professing Christian who caught me off guard because I trusted them, But for the most part these are the ones I feel the safest with. I deal quite a lot with the Amish and mever had a problem with them.

I don't trust people who put scripture on their business cards either. I think it's a cheap and shallow way to present their faith. Action speaks louder than words and I don't care what you believe, I care how you treat me, is it fair, honest and above board?

Some of the hardest times I've had to collect my money was from people who touted their Christianity on their business cards, their vehicle, their business, etc. Sorry, it's a red flag when I see it.


Do you see red flags at each of my posts with the scripture logo on the bottom?

Folks who get my business card with the verse on the back know my yeas are yea and my nays nay. They deal with me confidently knowing my record of several decades of honest dealing. I don't know what you're talking about. Be honest. How many business cards have you received with scripture on them and how many businesses have Bible signs in their windows. In my forty plus years of business I doubt I've received over three or four. I've never had any problem that I remember of from these. Are Texans different or what?


Ok you use scripture for honest purposes, but not all who do that use it that way. Too many times someone will do it to say "Hey trust me, I'm honest, I'm a Christian."

[buzaw]

Ok you use scripture for honest purposes, but not all who do that use it that way. Too many times someone will do it to say "Hey trust me, I'm honest, I'm a Christian."


Wasn't it you, Liz who expressed anger for judgemental folks trying to read the minds of others? When you see a sign or a verse on a card, how can you be so sure as to the motives of those who use these?

Ok you use scripture for honest purposes, but not all who do that use it that way. Too many times someone will do it to say "Hey trust me, I'm honest, I'm a Christian."


Wasn't it you, Liz who expressed anger for judgemental folks trying to read the minds of others? When you see a sign or a verse on a card, how can you be so sure as to the motives of those who use these?


Never said I was sure of their motives, but I am suspect of their motives.

[buzaw]

Never said I was sure of their motives, but I am suspect of their motives.


So iyo they're guilty until proven innocent. ;)

Never said I was sure of their motives, but I am suspect of their motives.


Yep.
So iyo they're guilty until proven innocent. ;)