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The Guardian
02-04-2003, 07:36 AM
From FoxNews: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,77476,00.html
Seems to me old Joe Farah is wrong yet again..
Adultery is in the news again due to the murder-by-Mercedes trial of Clara Harris, who allegedly ran over her adulterous husband three times after discovering him with another woman.
What is adultery? How many of us "cheat," why is it wrong, and what should be done about it?
These questions can be lost in the blaze of emotions surrounding discussion of adultery. Even staunch advocates of traditional values -- such as "Thou shalt not kill" -- seem to lose their compass. For example, WorldNetDaily's staunchly Christian Joseph Farah writes of Harris: "Free her and let her be an example to every cheating husband and wife in America. There is a price to pay. Sometimes it's the ultimate price."
nickg
02-04-2003, 07:37 AM
Farah is waaaaayyyyyy off on this one for sure.
::)
ilovelucy
02-04-2003, 07:39 AM
Well, many people suffer from affairs, but they don't bulldoze their spouses over it....
You beat me to it, I had that URL next up for a new topic. Hee hee.
I think she is guilty of murder one and if she is convicted should be pounished accordingly. Her's was not a crime of passion, but a planned out crime by a really pissed off person.
Anyway, if Joe Farah is so staunchly Christian, perhaps he should read the part of the Bible that deals with forgiveness.
kathleen
02-04-2003, 07:52 AM
Running over adulterers for Christ.
Good one. ::)
ilovelucy
02-04-2003, 08:03 AM
Besides, think about the legal precedent (sp) established once you acquit someone for killing a two-timing spouse.....
hmmmmmm.
Justified sin? I wonder if God would buy that. No I don't. I've known God for some time now and He wouldn't buy justification of murder.
Justified sin? I wonder if God would buy that. No I don't. I've known God for some time now and He wouldn't buy justification of murder.
OAG, I don't want to be a thorn under your saddle, so just consider this not even a response to anything but your words and not how you "feel."
But He would if He was the one committing the murders, however, the word would suddenly be diminished and be called "punishment."
As I previously stated, this wasn't posted to rile you.
ilovelucy
02-04-2003, 01:52 PM
Bad,
If God wants to "punish"someone I would suppose he has the omnipotent power to do so. After all. he is God.
The problem with the argument is that humans are answerable to their actions in a society with belts and weights and meassurements for what is right and what is wrong regardless of how sweet the motive is.
I was against having Andrea Baby coddled to when she drowned her kids. I thought the whole sad affair an odious attack on human decency and morality....
I am against having Mercedes Moma coddled for the same reason.
We cannot have people taking this type of action against another human being just because they are angry and in the heat of despair....
I understand how she feels. I have been there, actually and there is definitely an urge to hurt the one who has hurt you so much...caused so much anguish and dashed your dreams against the wall....
But, you do not kill the SOB. or B.
Poppa Bear
02-08-2003, 04:25 AM
This woman not only murdered her husband the entire thing was filmed by private detectives that SHE had hired to follow her husband and she had his daughter in the car with her.
She should be locked up just for being too stupid to run loose! ;D
ilovelucy
02-08-2003, 11:17 AM
Do you suppose they'll take away her license....?
I-RIGHT-I
02-08-2003, 11:42 AM
There are cases where a man has killed his wife when he found her in bed with another man and been found not guilty.It was a temporary insanity defense. If her council can mount this defense and convince the jury she should go free, there should be no questions asked.
Farrah makes a good point about infidelity, divorce and the cost to society. He was blunt, rude and reactionary but he did have a point. I was ready to hang her from the nearest pole until I read that article and it reminded me that marriage involves the deepest of emotional attachments for the idividual and is the foundation that a nation is built upon. It could be she just lost it. I'd vote to acquit unless some facts emerge that show she had something to gain by killing her husband.
ilovelucy
02-08-2003, 11:46 AM
As much as I enjoy Farah's point of view, I think he misses one vital point.
Murder is murder and to take the law into one's own hands because one's spouse do not love them anymore and/or has decided to bed with someone else, is a crime.
Besides, she wouldn't have wanted him much longer anyway as it is....This is a vanity murder, imo.
Namely, "How dare you do this to me?" sort of thing.
Not out of love...
For example, WorldNetDaily's staunchly Christian Joseph Farah writes of Harris: "Free her and let her be an example to every cheating husband and wife in America. There is a price to pay. Sometimes it's the ultimate price."
Read this in context here (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30762).
I can't agree with Farah that this woman deserves a medal. How in hell what she did can be anything less than manslaughter I can't fathom. That said, this slimy chunk of human refuse who had the gall to call himself a man got exactly what he deserved. Good riddance.
ilovelucy
02-08-2003, 12:32 PM
Arod.
Men are not the only perps when it comes to adultery. There are a lot of women out there who use men and are rather seductive about getting what they want.
It is hard being a man, I would think.
The temptation is quite awesome.
Well she should have hit him only once, but three times! She may not be convicted of murder but certainly manslaughter. That woman is going to prison.
ilovelucy
02-08-2003, 12:39 PM
I am against prison, ironically, in this type of crime, but she should pay in some way.....This is a one-time crime of passion. We don't need to be paying prison expenses for her.
But she should pay for the crime. The question is, outside of prison, what would be the best way....
in my mind.
by the way, what is the update on ANdrea Yates, anyway?
Arod.
Men are not the only perps when it comes to adultery. There are a lot of women out there who use men and are rather seductive about getting what they want.
It is hard being a man, I would think.
The temptation is quite awesome.
That's life, baby. Those who treat people like dirt can expect to pay now or later.
Arod.
Men are not the only perps when it comes to adultery. There are a lot of women out there who use men and are rather seductive about getting what they want.
It is hard being a man, I would think.
The temptation is quite awesome.
And we don't know the full story do we? What he did was reprehensible and no excuse but not a court in the land would have given him the death penalty; she had no right to do what she did.
How do we know what went on at home, how do we know perhaps she shut him out emotionally and cut him off from intimacy.
Lot's of marriages end over adultery and few lead to murder; now she has to face her actions in this sorted mess.
ilovelucy
02-08-2003, 12:44 PM
Arod.
So, would you say that it is equally the woman's and the man's responsibility in an adulterous situation?
Crime is crime, yes.
If we sent every adulteror to prison we would no longer have much of a tax base.
Arod.
So, would you say that it is equally the woman's and the man's responsibility in an adulterous situation?
I would guess that it is rare that one party can claim complete innocence. The thing is, if this woman was a bitch, it was the husband's responsibility to stand up to her with love. It would appear that he made not even the slightest effort in that direction.
Crime is crime, yes.
If we sent every adulteror to prison we would no longer have much of a tax base.
I confess a certain partiality to stoning OT style. ;)
ilovelucy
02-08-2003, 12:53 PM
Arod.
Stoning???
This surprises me coming from you of all people!
Arod.
Stoning???
This surprises me coming from you of all people!
Of course, I say that knowing it won't happen in your grandchildrens' lifetime...but why does it surprise you?
ilovelucy
02-08-2003, 01:02 PM
Because for one, that is OT style of punishment and there is a NT style which Christ preaches for those who sin and it says let those among you without sin cast the first stone...or something to that effect!
Bless your heart.
I am envious of your wife, in a way.... :)
tileman
02-08-2003, 01:07 PM
Arod.
Stoning???
This surprises me coming from you of all people!
You've got to be kidding.......... ;D He's MR Theocracy...
tileman
02-08-2003, 01:09 PM
Because for one, that is OT style of punishment and there is a NT style which Christ preaches for those who sin and is says let those among you without sin cast the first stone...or something to that effect!
Bless your heart.
I am envious of your wife, in a way.... :)
I think he obstains figuring he'll make the 144,000 roll call... ;D
tileman
02-08-2003, 01:12 PM
I could cut her some slack had she just run him over once.... three times, with the kid in the car???
But then again she knew she was maybe on film, and the kid was there...........so temporary insanity doesn't seem out of the question.
ilovelucy
02-08-2003, 01:13 PM
144,000 is it?
Ah yes, well count me with the leftovers.
Because for one, that is OT style of punishment and there is a NT style which Christ preaches for those who sin and it says let those among you without sin cast the first stone...or something to that effect!
Bless your heart.
I am envious of your wife, in a way.... :)
Jimmy Swaggart didn't like adultery, he preached against it, he was a lot like Farah, guess what Jimmy Swaggart did?
I could cut her some slack had she just run him over once.... three times, with the kid in the car???
But then again she knew she was maybe on film, and the kid was there...........so temporary insanity doesn't seem out of the question.
Texas doesn't have temporary insanity.
tileman
02-08-2003, 01:18 PM
144,000 is it?
Ah yes, well count me with the leftovers.
I don't really know.....I'm just messin' with him.... :)
ilovelucy
02-08-2003, 01:19 PM
Well, does Texas have a statute for Long Term Insanity?
tileman
02-08-2003, 01:20 PM
I could cut her some slack had she just run him over once.... three times, with the kid in the car???
But then again she knew she was maybe on film, and the kid was there...........so temporary insanity doesn't seem out of the question.
Texas doesn't have temporary insanity.
All y'all are permanently deranged at birth... ;D Poached grey matter..... :P
Well, does Texas have a statute for Long Term Insanity?
Yes like the mother who killed her children, she's locked up and medicated.
Short term they called it sudden passion or something like that but sudden passion can lead to a conviction for manslaughter ... this woman is going to prison.
Because for one, that is OT style of punishment and there is a NT style which Christ preaches for those who sin and it says let those among you without sin cast the first stone...or something to that effect!
All He was saying was that the Jews, through their hypocrisy, had lost the moral authority to execute Mosaic law to the letter. If we as a society were to regain that authority through repentance, stoning adulterers would once again become feasible. I don't have that authority, and never will, so it is purely hypothetical at this point.
I could cut her some slack had she just run him over once.... three times, with the kid in the car???
But then again she knew she was maybe on film, and the kid was there...........so temporary insanity doesn't seem out of the question.
Texas doesn't have temporary insanity.
All y'all are permanently deranged at birth... ;D Poached grey matter..... :P
I was born in California. :P
ilovelucy
02-08-2003, 01:31 PM
Well, then one comes to the problem of defining what "adultery" is.
Is it any sexual liaison outside of a legal marriage?
tileman
02-08-2003, 01:33 PM
Because for one, that is OT style of punishment and there is a NT style which Christ preaches for those who sin and it says let those among you without sin cast the first stone...or something to that effect!
All He was saying was that the Jews, through their hypocrisy, had lost the moral authority to execute Mosaic law to the letter. If we as a society were to regain that authority through repentance, stoning adulterers would once again become feasible. I don't have that authority, and never will, so it is purely hypothetical at this point.
Since when has the letter of the law been a good thing?
Because for one, that is OT style of punishment and there is a NT style which Christ preaches for those who sin and it says let those among you without sin cast the first stone...or something to that effect!
All He was saying was that the Jews, through their hypocrisy, had lost the moral authority to execute Mosaic law to the letter. If we as a society were to regain that authority through repentance, stoning adulterers would once again become feasible. I don't have that authority, and never will, so it is purely hypothetical at this point.
Just out of curiosity, what was the purpose of stoning? I know it caused death (duh) but what was the purpose?
Well, then one comes to the problem of defining what "adultery" is.
Is it any sexual liaison outside of a legal marriage?
Sounds close enough to me.
ilovelucy
02-08-2003, 01:38 PM
rut row... :)
Just out of curiosity, what was the purpose of stoning? I know it caused death (duh) but what was the purpose?
"...and the whole congregation shall stone him with stones..."
As I view it, the purpose was for the congregation to affirm its agreement with the sentence. Throwing rocks at someone is a bit different from hiring somebody to do the dirty work for you.
You got something else in mind?
tileman
02-08-2003, 01:41 PM
Well, then one comes to the problem of defining what "adultery" is.
Is it any sexual liaison outside of a legal marriage?
Sounds close enough to me.
;D Stone 'em all..........let God sort it out.... ;D
tileman
02-08-2003, 01:45 PM
Suffer not the drug users (witches) to live either?.. ;D
Well, then one comes to the problem of defining what "adultery" is.
Is it any sexual liaison outside of a legal marriage?
Sounds close enough to me.
;D Stone 'em all..........let God sort it out.... ;D
We can nuke 'em now ;D
Just out of curiosity, what was the purpose of stoning? I know it caused death (duh) but what was the purpose?
"...and the whole congregation shall stone him with stones..."
As I view it, the purpose was for the congregation to affirm its agreement with the sentence. Throwing rocks at someone is a bit different from hiring somebody to do the dirty work for you.
You got something else in mind?
It's get rid of the bad apple thing so as the rest of the barrel doesn't rot.
The guy committed adultery for Goddess sake. Yes he deserved to be punished by his wife, but killed. I think not. If we all ran around killing people when they crossed us what do you think this world would be like? I'm most surprised by arod's attitude toward this as he's always the one talking about how we should behave in a civilized manner. Well running your husband down three times for screwing around is hardly civilized.
If the stupid woman hadn't killed him she'd now be receiving huge alimony payments.
The guy committed adultery for Goddess sake. Yes he deserved to be punished by his wife, but killed. I think not. If we all ran around killing people when they crossed us what do you think this world would be like? I'm most surprised by arod's attitude toward this as he's always the one talking about how we should behave in a civilized manner. Well running your husband down three times for screwing around is hardly civilized.
I didn't condone the wife's behavior, I just said the husband got what he deserved.
The guy committed adultery for Goddess sake. Yes he deserved to be punished by his wife, but killed. I think not. If we all ran around killing people when they crossed us what do you think this world would be like? I'm most surprised by arod's attitude toward this as he's always the one talking about how we should behave in a civilized manner. Well running your husband down three times for screwing around is hardly civilized.
I didn't condone the wife's behavior, I just said the husband got what he deserved.
No he didn't. He deserved to spend the rest of his life paying her a large sum of money.
The guy committed adultery for Goddess sake. Yes he deserved to be punished by his wife, but killed. I think not. If we all ran around killing people when they crossed us what do you think this world would be like? I'm most surprised by arod's attitude toward this as he's always the one talking about how we should behave in a civilized manner. Well running your husband down three times for screwing around is hardly civilized.
I didn't condone the wife's behavior, I just said the husband got what he deserved.
No he didn't. He deserved to spend the rest of his life paying her a large sum of money.
I don't think so. She's an adult, and that's why I despise the concept of alimony. He should have got a divorce and I'm not above humiliation, the wife berating him in public or whatever.
I know not everyone here is a Christian, but to me, there is no need for punishment as IMHO God sorts out these details himself. The guy cheated, he didn't beat her or steal all the money or anything. DId he deserve to die? No.
From Farah's article:
"When David Harris emerged from the hotel and tried to get in Bridges' truck, Clara Harris hit the gas on her Mercedes and ran over Harris, shearing the passenger door right off the home wrecker's Navigator. She ran over him a few more times to make sure he was dead.
Then, she apologized to the creep and told him how much she loved him."
How in hell do you love somebody and do that to them - or even WANT it done to them?
From Farah's article:
"When David Harris emerged from the hotel and tried to get in Bridges' truck, Clara Harris hit the gas on her Mercedes and ran over Harris, shearing the passenger door right off the home wrecker's Navigator. She ran over him a few more times to make sure he was dead.
Then, she apologized to the creep and told him how much she loved him."
How in hell do you love somebody and do that to them - or even WANT it done to them?
There's a thin line between love and hate.
There's a thin line between love and hate.
I'm not so sure. Seems one can morph into the other with mercurial swiftness. It's like they're forms of the same thing.
Thunder Bay
02-09-2003, 02:25 PM
arod;
You've finally earned your own set of hyphens; you and iri may cuddle now. Perhaps you'll get what you deserve, eh? ;D
ilovelucy
02-09-2003, 06:08 PM
To me, running over your husband in a parking lot, killing him and then saying "I love you" is absurd.
That isn't love. Tat is obssession!
Hell hath no fury greater than a woman scorned.....
(who said that anyway?)
Her killing him had nothing to do with her loving him, it only had to do with her jealousy. If he was going to leave her she was going to make sure no one else got him either.
What about the cars? Isn't anyone concerned about the damage to the automobiles?
ilovelucy
02-09-2003, 08:33 PM
And she made sure SHE wasn't going to get anyone else either to boot! Can you see her on a blind date now? "Hi, I'm the one who bulldozed my husband when I caught him cheating on me. Hey, isn't this place romantic? So, ah, what's your sign?"
etc.
No man is worth this!
He wasn't even that good-looking!
And she made sure SHE wasn't going to get anyone else either to boot! Can you see her on a blind date now? "Hi, I'm the one who bulldozed my husband when I caught him cheating on me. Hey, isn't this place romantic? So, ah, what's your sign?"
etc.
No man is worth this!
He wasn't even that good-looking!
I would date her, I need some dental work.
And she made sure SHE wasn't going to get anyone else either to boot! Can you see her on a blind date now? "Hi, I'm the one who bulldozed my husband when I caught him cheating on me. Hey, isn't this place romantic? So, ah, what's your sign?"
etc.
No man is worth this!
He wasn't even that good-looking!
Obssession knows no logic or reason.
ilovelucy
02-09-2003, 08:45 PM
lonestar--
;D
It might be less painful in the long run(no pun intended) just to have them all pulled and wear dentures.... ;D
ilovelucy
02-09-2003, 08:46 PM
lizzie.
That's why it's called "obssession." If it were normal and acceptable, we would call it "love."
lizzie.
That's why it's called "obssession." If it were normal and acceptable, we would call it "love."
I've never understood being that obssessed with anything or anyone. I've actually had people tell me that I must not know what love is because of that. Well I do know that love is not running your husband down with your car and then backing up. If that's love please spare me.
ilovelucy
02-09-2003, 08:56 PM
Lizzie.
You are fortunate.
This is not love.
The Guardian
02-13-2003, 09:15 AM
Justice appears to be served. No doubt on appeal though.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,78482,00.html
Justified sin? I wonder if God would buy that. No I don't. I've known God for some time now and He wouldn't buy justification of murder.
OAG, I don't want to be a thorn under your saddle, so just consider this not even a response to anything but your words and not how you "feel."
But He would if He was the one committing the murders, however, the word would suddenly be diminished and be called "punishment."
As I previously stated, this wasn't posted to rile you.
God is not capable of anything considered murder. Murder is to wrongfully take a life. Since God cannot do anything wrongfully your argument is pointless.
Thunder Bay
02-13-2003, 10:25 AM
The Guardian;
Yes, justice has been done. We should all be grateful that Texas has intelligent juries; unlike Cal/Flo. She would have walked in either of those states. I can't believe that poor guy's f**ked-up family testified on her behalf. ::)
Hey, -arod-,
She's gettin' what she deserves too, eh, aerogrunts? ;D
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