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US is forced to abandon hunt for bin Laden
Three years after Osama bin Laden fled American bombs in his Tora Bora hideout, the search for the world's most wanted man has all but come to a halt because of Pakistan's refusal to permit cross-border raids from Afghanistan, according to CIA officials.
Washington has downgraded its efforts to catch the al-Qa'eda leader in Afghanistan, from where he supervised the September 11 attacks, because it has become convinced that he is hiding in Pakistan's virtually lawless Tribal Areas, which hug the 1,200-mile frontier.
Islamabad refuses to permit cross-border pursuits by US special forces based in Afghanistan's mountainous frontier regions, agency officials told the New York Times.
Earlier this month President Pervaiz Musharraf of Pakistan claimed that his forces had cleared much of the tribal areas of the terror groups.
"We have cleaned them up from the mountains. We have broken the back of al-Qa'eda in Pakistan and I say this with total conviction and authority," he told The Telegraph.
"They are on the run, their control structure is broken, their bases smashed."
More than 600 al-Qa'eda terrorists had been apprehended by the Pakistani authorities, Gen Musharraf said.
As a result there should "no longer be any doubt" that the country was winning its battle against bin Laden's terrorist network.
He admitted that, although his forces continued to search for bin Laden, the trail had gone cold and the only thing he was certain of was that the terrorist leader was still alive.
http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/12/14/wosama14.xml
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01, Liar
Pepsi, how did you get out of that article that the United States has downgraded our hunt for bin Laden because the president of Pakistan has refused to give permission for raids?
Admins, I think this thread should be moved to the Black Helicopter forum.
Just because the President of Pakistan is backing off does not mean the United States is being "forced to abandon hunt for bin Laden." ::)
If Pakistan won't allow our forces to conduct raids to where bin Laden is by all accounts hiding, then the hunt is effectively halted by our forces.
If Pakistan won't allow our forces to conduct raids to where bin Laden is by all accounts hiding, then the hunt is effectively halted by our forces.
Really?
Nuke Pakistan...as I said on 9/12/01.
Pakistan is NOT our friend. They never have been or will be. They are a terrorist hot bed.
What's "allow" got to do with it?
Unca Walt
12-16-2004, 08:37 AM
Sounds like you are pleased by this development, Pepsi... could it be that you see it as embarrassing the Administration, and therefore it is something you are somewhat glad to see? Even a little bit?
vellaity
12-16-2004, 08:45 AM
Sounds like you are pleased by this development, Pepsi... could it be that you see it as embarrassing the Administration, and therefore it is something you are somewhat glad to see? Even a little bit?
Really Walt. What bearing does Pepsi's motivation have on anything? Anything at all, other than Pepsi himself?
The Administration has a job to do. They are fair game. They have taken a huge risk embarking on risky foreign policy strategies. The jury on this risky foreign policy is out and any indication of success of this Administration's risky policy strategies is not even on the horizon.
The real question is how long must we wait to know whether the invasion of Iraq was one of the greatest foreign policy blunders in history? We waited what, 10 years more or less in Vietnam, with no indication? Success of that misadventure is still nothing more than a fantasy, and yet many here still cling.
Do we have to give Iraq 10 years? 20 years? Forever?
Do we have to give Iraq 10 years? 20 years? Forever?
How long have we given Europe? Almost 60 years?
And we won that son of a bitch. ::)
Sounds like you are pleased by this development, Pepsi... could it be that you see it as embarrassing the Administration, and therefore it is something you are somewhat glad to see? Even a little bit?
not really. I want Bush to follow his word of 9/13 and capture the man who heads the group who attacked us 911. Its pretty fucking simple, isnt it?
I want Bush to follow his word of 9/13 and capture the man who heads the group who attacked us 911.
Horse shit. You'd complain it wasn't done fast enough to suit you or come up with some cockamamey story that he had been in custody all along for political purposes. ::)
Observer
12-16-2004, 08:58 AM
Unfortunately, Pepsi the enemy does not always cooperate.
We'll get him.
Unfortunately, Pepsi the enemy does not always cooperate.
We'll get him.
If the bastard turned himself in today, Pepsi would be sqealing about him not getting a fair trial and that he'd been framed by Bush.
LanceALott
12-16-2004, 10:18 AM
How long have we given Europe? Almost 60 years?
And we won that son of a bitch. ::)
Are you sure we won that one?
Horse shit. You'd complain it wasn't done fast enough to suit you
You're damn right it isnt fast enough. 3+ years this mass murder has been mocking us. If only he had oil, or was named Saddam, maybe they would get serious about catching him? But, it sure was convenient for Bush to come out right before the election and mock us again, wasnt it?
I wonder how the investigation into the Anthrax terrorist is proceeding?
vellaity
12-16-2004, 10:39 AM
not really. I want Bush to follow his word of 9/13 and capture the man who heads the group who attacked us 911. Its pretty fucking simple, isnt it?
This is a great point Pepsi. It should be that fucking simple but it isn't because the Bush administration, and our local neocons and Bush apologists, have disconcerting pattern. They offer up inconsistent rationales. I.e. the rationale for tax cuts. It started as Bush's response to Steve Forbes in the primaries. When he got elected it was a refund of part of the surplus. As the surplus evaporated, it was fiscal policy to shore up the economy (never mind that most of the tax cuts weren't schedule to take effect years and years into the future, after the end of his second term).
Of course if you look at the radical wackos that Bush consults with, you can see why the rationales shift. Ultimately as his pretexts evaporate--as they invariably do--he finds new ones.
In the case of the war, the bottom line resides in Leo Strauss.
I don't think the philosophy works. I don't think it's going to work. I think we're going to continue to pay a huge price. It is not analogous to Europe, except it is darn close to European-style Imperialism and we all can see what that led to. Perhaps it goes even further back as well? Perhaps we're talking about Roman style super hegemon power, only wrapped in 21st century togas?
The most disturbing feature to me is the hubris of it all. Shit, it's only lives and treasure we squander.
Velleity,
Did Israel forget about the Nazi's hiding in South America? How about Palestinian terrorists?
Osoma Bin Laden has declared war on the people of the United States by the means of terrorism.
He has brought the wrath of the U.S. on himself by his actions, not his words. We should never give up looking for him, no matter which individual or political party occupies the White House.
When Mr. Bin Laden is finally caught this will show that the U.S. will never give up in a righteous cause as witnessed by our eventual win over communism. Just because something is hard to do and can not be done immediately does not mean you give up; you must perserve and obtain your goal.
Pakistan is supposedly Bush's allie in the war on terror. So, why does Pakistan not allow US forces to pursue Osama into Pakistan? We found Saddam, we can find Osama too, if the president really wanted to. But he said he doesnt care about him anymore, its bigger than one man, etc, etc. Sigh.
I don't know about you all, but I want the sob caught, killed or brought to justice. And I'm pissed that Bush has dropped the ball on this for a number of years now.
Unca Walt
12-16-2004, 12:02 PM
You therefore boldly ADMIT it is a political tool for you... and you ARE pleased that there is difficulty in nailing OBL.
Gawd. What a level of hatred. The depth of it astounds me.
I cannot conceive of being pleased at Clinton's problems in Bosnia... It truly never entered my mind. Perhaps Clinton was more interested in a fat chick's cigar-scenting device than he was with the welfare of our troops in Bosnia, but IT NEVER OCCURRED TO ME TO BE PLEASED at that situation...
Astounding.
Unca Walt
Walt - I AM not pleased that this mass murderer continues to mock us for three years now. How can I make that any clearer to you?
How about if I say, well, golly gee, I'm sure Bush knows what he's doing, Osama will be caught.... someday? Does that work for you?
How is it that to be critical of this inept administration means you are pleased with the inept results, I have no idea. Frankly, I think you're full of shit here.
LanceALott
12-16-2004, 12:45 PM
I'm pissed that Bush has dropped the ball on this for a number of years now.
Let's face the truth: Bush has fucked up everything he has touched all his life.
LanceALott
12-16-2004, 12:46 PM
Walt - Frankly, I think you're full of shit here.
You can drop the word "here."
Unca Walt
12-16-2004, 03:42 PM
Hey, Pepsi:
You have reached the absolute nadir.
KerryALott IS TOUTING YOUR LINE!!!
Christ... you must be proud.
You stand convicted by the scum that toadies to you.
Unca Walt
Hey, Pepsi:
You have reached the absolute nadir.
KerryALott IS TOUTING YOUR LINE!!!
Christ... you must be proud.
You stand convicted by the scum that toadies to you.
Unca Walt
***yawn***
Pakistan is supposedly Bush's allie in the war on terror. So, why does Pakistan not allow US forces to pursue Osama into Pakistan? We found Saddam, we can find Osama too, if the president really wanted to. But he said he doesnt care about him anymore, its bigger than one man, etc, etc. Sigh.
I don't know about you all, but I want the sob caught, killed or brought to justice. And I'm pissed that Bush has dropped the ball on this for a number of years now.
Did we ever deliver those F-14's that Pakistan paid us bajillions of dollars for and we jewed them out of yet?
I can tell you one thing, if I believe this horse shit story to begin with, Pakistan will regret (financially) getting in the way. If it wasn't for the United States, they'd be living in mud huts...just like all the rest of the fucking goat herders over there.
Flyrod
12-20-2004, 09:46 PM
Admins, I think this thread should be moved to the Black Helicopter forum.
Just because the President of Pakistan is backing off does not mean the United States is being "forced to abandon hunt for bin Laden." ::)
Agreed!!
Flyrod
12-20-2004, 09:48 PM
***yawn***
Yeah, you're a damn yawn alright!!!
Yeah, you're a damn yawn alright!!!
Maybe I should spice things up with some exclamation points?!!!
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