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I-RIGHT-I
12-09-2004, 07:22 PM
Of mice, men and in-between


In Minnesota, pigs are being born with human blood in their veins.
In Nevada, there are sheep whose livers and hearts are largely human.

In California, mice peer from their cages with human brain cells firing inside their skulls.

These are not outcasts from "The Island of Dr. Moreau," the 1896 novel by H.G. Wells in which a rogue doctor develops creatures that are part animal and part human. They are real creations of real scientists, stretching the boundaries of stem cell research.

Biologists call these hybrid animals chimeras, after the mythical Greek creature with a lion's head, a goat's body and a serpent's tail. They are the products of experiments in which human stem cells were added to developing animal fetuses.

"Chimeras are not as strange and alien as at first blush they seem," said Henry Greely, a law professor and ethicist at Stanford University who has reviewed proposals to create human-mouse chimeras there.

But chimerism becomes a more sensitive topic when it involves growing entire human organs inside animals. And it becomes especially sensitive when it deals in brain cells, the building blocks of the organ credited with making humans human.

In experiments like those, Greely told the academy last month, "there is a nontrivial risk of conferring some significant aspects of humanity" on the animal.

Greely and his colleagues did not conclude that such experiments should never be done. Indeed, he and many other philosophers have been wrestling with the question of why so many people believe it is wrong to breach the species barrier.

Does the repugnance reflect an understanding of an important natural law? Or is it just another cultural bias, like the once widespread rejection of interracial marriage?


These are the same people who will tell you that it's sometimes good for a child to have sex with an adult. There is nothing too horrendous for the human mind not tempered with the Spirit of God.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6534243

BrandonL
12-09-2004, 07:27 PM
These are the same people who will tell you that it's sometimes good for a child to have sex with an adult. There is nothing too horrendous for the human mind not tempered with the Spirit of God.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6534243
BS. Your God told us we have dominion over the animals. Therfore, growing organs in an animal to save Human lives should be included in that statement.

Your statement is off base.

I-RIGHT-I
12-09-2004, 07:27 PM
This man should be locked up.

Now Weissman says he is thinking about making chimeric mice whose brains are 100 percent human. He proposes keeping tabs on the mice as they develop. If the brains look as if they are taking on a distinctly human architecture — a development that could hint at a glimmer of humanness — they could be killed, he said. If they look as if they are organizing themselves in a mouse brain architecture, they could be used for research.

ponygurl
12-09-2004, 07:48 PM
This man should be locked up.

Now Weissman says he is thinking about making chimeric mice whose brains are 100 percent human. He proposes keeping tabs on the mice as they develop. If the brains look as if they are taking on a distinctly human architecture — a development that could hint at a glimmer of humanness — they could be killed, he said. If they look as if they are organizing themselves in a mouse brain architecture, they could be used for research.

Wait till the little shitters start to use reasoning powers.. trading oats for cheese,crackers for meat scraps.
;D

polaris
12-09-2004, 07:53 PM
Paging Dr. Moreau! Paging Dr. Moreau!

[What an awful--a simply bloody, frankensteinian AWFUL!-- idea!!!]

kathleen
12-11-2004, 05:08 PM
BS. Your God told us we have dominion over the animals. Therfore, growing organs in an animal to save Human lives should be included in that statement.

HeHe! ;D

Most of us are now eating tomatoes modified by frog genes and cereal crops modified by insect genes. (Well, until GMO labelling is required, if that ever happens ::))

This is just another extension of the same idea.

A brand new world is coming - Monsato and other extremely evil corporations (IMHO) are making sure of it.

Is manipulation of genetics a bad thing? No but I do advocate caution. And definitely want people to have a choice of what they feed and what medical experimentation they want their children to go through.

That's why GMO labelling is so important.

12-11-2004, 05:20 PM
Hell that's old news ... I know for sure we have two or three posters here who are a blend of human and animal. ::)

kathleen
12-11-2004, 05:24 PM
Hell that's old news ... I know for sure we have two or three posters here who are a blend of human and animal. ::)


IRI is one of them, right? ;D

12-11-2004, 05:39 PM
IRI is one of them, right? ;D


First on the list. ;D

NorNec
12-11-2004, 06:14 PM
Revelation 9
1The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. 3And out of the smoke locusts came down upon the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5They were not given power to kill them, but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes a man. 6During those days men will seek death, but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.

7The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces. 8Their hair was like women's hair, and their teeth were like lions' teeth. 9They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. 10They had tails and stings like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months. 11They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon.[a]

Larry_Oldtimer
12-12-2004, 01:10 PM
IRI: These are the same people who will tell you that it's sometimes good for a child to have sex with an adult. There is nothing too horrendous for the human mind not tempered with the Spirit of God.

And I am sure that they are also the same people who would . . . would . . . do anything else that is horrendous. What a nasty bit of misdirection this is. Proponents of gene mixing are no more likely to think it is good for a child to have sex with an adult than any other sector of the population. Nice try, IRI, but no cigar on this one. ::)

Larry_Oldtimer
12-12-2004, 01:22 PM
IRI's "God": "OK children, I am going out for a bit, so you are on your own for a while. Now here is where I keep the matches . . . here in this unlocked drawer within easy reach. So, although I realize that you just love to light the matches just to watch them burn, don't mess with them while I am gone." Sure, right, that would really work. :o

IRI never fails to impress me with just how stupid he considers his "God" to be. ;)

Larry_Oldtimer
12-12-2004, 01:29 PM
Another one maybe likely to happen?

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6700752/

Preserving organs for transplant by mimicking processes in unusual animals. Food for thought. Going to play at being God again, perhaps. :o