Musharraf: Iraq war has made world 'less safe'

Musharraf: Iraq war has made world 'less safe'

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S.-led invasion of Iraq was a mistake that has made the world a more dangerous place, but a swift withdrawal would make matters worse, Pakistan's president said this weekend.

"I think it's less safe," Gen. Pervez Musharraf said on CNN's "Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer." Asked whether he considered the invasion a mistake, the Pakistani leader said, "With hindsight, yes. We have landed ourselves in more trouble, yes."

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/12/05/musharraf.cnn/

[HollyBaere]

Musharraf: Iraq war has made world 'less safe'

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S.-led invasion of Iraq was a mistake that has made the world a more dangerous place, but a swift withdrawal would make matters worse, Pakistan's president said this weekend.

"I think it's less safe," Gen. Pervez Musharraf said on CNN's "Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer." Asked whether he considered the invasion a mistake, the Pakistani leader said, "With hindsight, yes. We have landed ourselves in more trouble, yes."

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/12/05/musharraf.cnn/


I think Musharraf is might be on to something...........


Top Stories - AP


U.S. Consulate Attacked in Saudi Arabia

1 minute ago Top Stories - AP


By FAIZA SALEH AMBAH, Associated Press Writer

JIDDAH, Saudi Arabia - Islamic militants threw explosives at the gate of the heavily guarded U.S. consulate in Jiddah in a bold assault, then forced their way into the building, prompting a gunbattle that left seven people dead and several injured before the three-hour crisis was brought under control.

Several Americans were slightly injured, according to a State Department official in Washington.


Three attackers were among those killed, while two others were injured and arrested, the Saudi Interior Ministry announced. Saudi security officials also said four of their forces were killed, apparently in storming the compound after the initial attack.

Full story...... http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20041206/ap_on_re_mi_ea/saudi_explosion

[Conservinator]

U.S. Consulate Attacked in Saudi Arabia

1 minute ago Top Stories - AP


By FAIZA SALEH AMBAH, Associated Press Writer

JIDDAH, Saudi Arabia - Islamic militants threw explosives at the gate of the heavily guarded U.S. consulate in Jiddah in a bold assault, then forced their way into the building, prompting a gunbattle that left seven people dead and several injured before the three-hour crisis was brought under control.

Several Americans were slightly injured, according to a State Department official in Washington.


Three attackers were among those killed, while two others were injured and arrested, the Saudi Interior Ministry announced. Saudi security officials also said four of their forces were killed, apparently in storming the compound after the initial attack.

Full story...... story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl...&e=1&u=/ap/20041206/ap_on_re_mi_ea/saudi_explosion

I'll bet you are just beside yourself with glee, aren't you?

[Flyrod]

Musharraf: Iraq war has made world 'less safe'

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S.-led invasion of Iraq was a mistake that has made the world a more dangerous place, but a swift withdrawal would make matters worse, Pakistan's president said this weekend.

"I think it's less safe," Gen. Pervez Musharraf said on CNN's "Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer." Asked whether he considered the invasion a mistake, the Pakistani leader said, "With hindsight, yes. We have landed ourselves in more trouble, yes."

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/12/05/musharraf.cnn/


Real good to know where we stand with Musharraf!!! ;D

[Larry_Oldtimer]

Real good to know where we stand with Musharraf!!! ;D


Given that both Pakistan and India were threatening to use atomic weapons on each other not all that long ago, I don't think this guy is one to talk about the world being safer. ???

Given that both Pakistan and India were threatening to use atomic weapons on each other not all that long ago, I don't think this guy is one to talk about the world being safer. ???


Also the fact that it was Pakistani scientists who were caught sharing nuclear technology with Libya.

[Flyrod]

Given that both Pakistan and India were threatening to use atomic weapons on each other not all that long ago, I don't think this guy is one to talk about the world being safer. ???


EXACTLY!! hum?

[HollyBaere]

Seeing that Musharraf wasn't the first to say this, I certainly don't think it makes Pakistan an enemy.

[Flyrod]

Seeing that Musharraf wasn't the first to say this, I certainly don't think it makes Pakistan an enemy.


Oh yeah, Clinton was the first to sell nuclear secrets. Hmmm!!! Just a strange and curious thing!! eh??

[HollyBaere]

Oh yeah, Clinton was the first to sell nuclear secrets. Hmmm!!! Just a strange and curious thing!! eh??


Clinton?? How about explaining Jonathan Pollard then?? Or prehaps the Rosenburgs??

[Flyrod]

Clinton?? How about explaining Jonathan Pollard then?? Or prehaps the Rosenburgs??


You go first, with your versions, OK, Mr. HollyBaere!!!

[HollyBaere]

You go first, with your versions, OK, Mr. HollyBaere!!!


Don't worry, Flyrod. I use the historical FACTS for my "version". But, right now I have a job to go to.

I will post them later. Too bad if you can't wait! :P

[Conservinator]

Don't worry, Flyrod. I use the historical FACTS for my "version". But, right now I have a job to go to.

I will post them later. Too bad if you can't wait!

Why bother posting anything? You don't post facts, you post information that has been twisted to suit whatever leftist nutcase fringe group you happen to get it from. Your information sources are worthless.

Why bother posting anything? You don't post facts, you post information that has been twisted to suit whatever leftist nutcase fringe group you happen to get it from. Your information sources are worthless.


....and you post Boortz, garbage from the extreme right.

[Conservinator]

Boortz isn't from the extreme right, Pepsi...he's a Libertarian.

There are some things he says that I don't agree with, believe it or not. One example deals with the war on drugs...he says it should be stopped, and all drugs should be legalized. I disagree...

[HollyBaere]

You go first, with your versions, OK, Mr. HollyBaere!!!


The Facts of the Pollard Case

1. Jonathan Pollard was a civilian American Naval intelligence analyst. In the mid 1980's (circa 1983-1984), Pollard discovered that information vital to Israel's security was being deliberately withheld by certain elements within the U.S. national security establishment.

2. Israel was legally entitled to this vital security information according to a 1983 Memorandum of Understanding between the two countries.

3. The information being withheld from Israel included Syrian, Iraqi, Libyan and Iranian nuclear, chemical, and biological warfare capabilities - being developed for use against Israel. It also included information on ballistic missile development by these countries and information on planned terrorist attacks against Israeli civilian targets.

4. When Pollard discovered this suppression of information and asked his superiors about it, he was told to "mind his own business", and that "Jews get nervous talking about poison gas; they don't need to know."
He also learned that the objective of cutting off the flow of information to Israel was to severely curtail Israel's ability to act independently in defense of her own interests.


5. Pollard was painfully aware that Israeli lives were being put in jeopardy as a result of this undeclared intelligence embargo. He did everything he possibly could to stop this covert policy and to have the legal flow of information to Israel restored. When his efforts met no success, he began to give the information to Israel directly.

6. Jonathan Pollard was an ideologue, not a mercenary. The FBI concluded after nine months of polygraphing that Pollard acted for ideological reasons only, not for profit. This fact was recognized by the sentencing judge who declined to fine Pollard. (See the addendum for further details.)
Furthermore, on May 11, 1998, Israel formally acknowledged Jonathan Pollard had been a bona fide Israeli agent. This fact wiped out any remaining doubt about Jonathan Pollard's motives. Being an official agent is, by definition, the polar opposite of being a mercenary.


7. In 1985, his actions were discovered by the U.S. government. His instructions from Israel were to seek refuge in the Israeli embassy in Washington. When Pollard and his former wife sought refuge there, they were at first received and then summarily thrown out into the waiting arms of the FBI.

8. Jonathan Pollard never had a trial. At the request of both the U.S. and Israeli governments, he entered into a plea agreement, which spared both governments a long, difficult, expensive and potentially embarrassing trial.

9. Jonathan Pollard fulfilled his end of the plea agreement, cooperating fully with the prosecution.

10. Nevertheless, Pollard received a life sentence and a recommendation that he never be paroled - in complete violation of the plea agreement he had reached with the government.

http://www.jonathanpollard.org/facts.htm

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The Crime of the Century:

The Rosenberg Espionage Case



In 1950, the husband and wife, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were on trial for committing "The Crime of the Century". Later they would be put to death by what many believed to be a prejudice court. The controversy surrounding this case is still in existence today. Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were born and raised in the Lower East Side of New York City. They were married in 1939. Julius joined the United States Army Signal Corps as a civilian junior engineer in 1940. The Army dismissed him five years later, accusing him for being a Communist. After leaving the Army, he worked with the brother of his wife, David Greenglass in a small self-owned machine shop in New York City. Prior to running the shop, Greenglass had worked at Los Alamos Laboratory in New Mexico as a machinist for the United States government on a project to make an atomic bomb. The government arrested Greenglass in 1950, charging him for spying for the Soviet Union when he worked at Los Alamos. In a plead bargain for a lesser sentence for himself, Greenglass confessed and told the federal prosecutors and the Federal Bureau of Investigation that he was recruited to get information by Julius Rosenberg. The Rosenbergs were arrested as a result and were accused of providing important information about the atomic bomb to Soviet agents in 1944 and 1945 during the time of World War II.

At the time of this incident, the bloodiest stage of the Korean War was taking place. Americans were thinking anti-Communist and the Soviet Union had just built it's first atomic bomb. These events will make it very unlikely for the Rosenbergs to get a fair trial. Although they were members of the American Communist Party, the Rosenbergs proclaimed their innocence and denied any participation in an atomic spy ring. They accused Greenglass of making up the whole story up to protect himself. Federal prosecutors and the FBI were seeking the death penalty for the husband and wife but offered a more lenient punishment to them if they reversed their plead. The Rosenbergs oppose the notion and stood by their claims. If they are found to be guilty of the charges, they will be the first couple to be put to death, and the first to be executed for espionage in the United States. In 1951, a jury found the Rosenbergs guilty of conspiracy to commit espionage during wartime. They were convicted under the Espionage Act of 1917.

The Judge presiding this case was Federal Judge Irving Kaufman. Judge Kaufman sentenced the Rosenbergs to be executed in the form of electrocution. Greenglass was sentenced to 15 years in prison and two other co-conspirators were given 15-30 years. Critics of the verdict felt that the Rosenbergs was caught up in a period of time when being a Communist suspected of committing a crime, meant the Justice System will reverse the concept of innocent until proven guilty. Federal prosecutors have little evidence to prove to the court and some of those evidence seemed to have questionable authenticity. Some supporters charged that the government had tampered with the evidence. The main evidence they have against the Rosenbergs was Greenglass' testimony in court. And the court accepted his claims even though the court was aware that Greenglass told the FBI conflicting stories after his arrest. The Rosenbergs sought clemency after their conviction.

Support came from all over the world. Most supporters were either civil libertarians, humanitarians or communists. However, some famous people were also giving the Rosenbergs support. Albert Einstein, who helped developed the atom bomb and Pope Pius XII urged leniency for the couple. Numerous demonstrations took place. One of them was held the night before the Rosenbergs' execution where an estimated 5,000 people gathered in New York's Union Square to hold a vigil. It didn't do any good. Three separate appeals to Judge Kaufman and two separate appeals to two Federal Circuit Court judges to grant an extended stay were all rejected. President Eisenhower twice denied executive clemency for the Rosenbergs saying: "I can only say that by immeasurably increasing the chances of atomic war, the Rosenbergs may have condemned to death tens of millions of innocent people all over the world... The execution of two human beings is a grave matter. But even graver is the thought of the millions of dead whose deaths may be directly attributable to what these spies have done." and "When in their most solemn judgment the tribunals of the United States have adjudged them guilty and the sentence just, I will not intervene in this matter." (Huston, New York Times)

On June 19th 1953, the Rosenbergs were executed at Sing Prison in Upstate New York. They became the first husband and wife to be executed in America. Julius Rosenberg was 35 years old and Ethel Rosenberg who was 37 left behind their 2 sons, Robert and Michael. The sons were later adopted by the Meeropol family and would write a book presenting convincing evidence and arguments of their parent's innocence. Since their deaths, historians have always questioned whether or not the Rosenbergs were actually Soviet spies. They think the Rosenbergs were probably guilty of giving information to the Soviets yet they believed, the punishment did not fit the crime and that Ethel was far less involved than her husband.

http://www.studyworld.com/Rosenberg_Espionage_Case.htm