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Lazarus
02-01-2003, 02:59 PM
It is extremism that leads to war.
buzaw
02-01-2003, 03:33 PM
It is extremism that leads to war.
Since deception is the underlying cause of exremism the war buck stops with deception.
Cases in point:
1. Islam
2. Nazism
3. Communism
4. Vaticanism
5. Paganism
New Testament Biblical fundamentalism offers the only solution/alternative to war. When Peter used the sword, Jesus healed the wound and had Peter sheath his sword.
It is extremism that leads to war.
Since deception is the underlying cause of exremism the war buck stops with deception.
Cases in point:
1. Islam
2. Nazism
3. Communism
4. Vaticanism
5. Paganism
New Testament Biblical fundamentalism offers the only solution/alternative to war. When Peter used the sword, Jesus healed the wound and had Peter sheath his sword.
What was Peter even doing with a sword? One account has the remaining Apostles killing Judas.
wendy
02-01-2003, 03:43 PM
It is extremism that leads to war.
aka fundamentalism?
ilovelucy
02-01-2003, 03:57 PM
Sometimes to be too moderate is to not be passionately involved or to passionately believe much of anything at all...It is not one's feelings about what one believes that are at fault, in my opinion. It is the degree of animosity one feels against others that counts....
In love and in service....
wendy
02-01-2003, 04:03 PM
Sometimes to be too moderate is to not be passionately involved or to passionately believe much of anything at all...It is not one's feelings about what one believes that are at fault, in my opinion. It is the degree of animosity one feels against others that counts....
In love and in service....
Or the degree to which you feel you must make others conform to your beliefs.
Really, and I say this in all humility, God help us if "Christian Fudnamentalist" ever get control of our government. :(
buzaw
02-01-2003, 04:21 PM
Really, and I say this in all humility, God help us if "Christian Fudnamentalist" ever get control of our government. :(
We have a both a presidential Christofundie and an attorney general Christofundie, both bornagainers, in office presently. I don't see the populace scurring to the border exits for their lives.
Really, and I say this in all humility, God help us if "Christian Fudnamentalist" ever get control of our government. :(
We have a both a presidential Christofundie and an attorney general Christofundie, both bornagainers, in office presently. I don't see the populace scurring to the border exits for their lives.
I'm talking 'total' control. I have no problem with Christian's holding public office. Christian's are good for the neighborhood and living next door to but total control? No way!
buzaw
02-01-2003, 04:27 PM
What was Peter even doing with a sword? One account has the remaining Apostles killing Judas.
Jesus told them to carry swords. The Peter incident implies the swords were for defense against wild animals and possibly robbers, for self defense only. The fact that they carried them would become a deterrant to evil, same as the right to own guns today would be. They did a lot of traveling, camping out n so forth it appears.
wendy
02-01-2003, 04:29 PM
Really, and I say this in all humility, God help us if "Christian Fudnamentalist" ever get control of our government. :(
We have a both a presidential Christofundie and an attorney general Christofundie, both bornagainers, in office presently. I don't see the populace scurring to the border exits for their lives.
Buzz...a fundie "born again" Christian probably wouldn't run for public office (especially the Presidency) because of the stress and potential danger to his family. He wouldn't put his AMBITION before his family. Get it?
I know y'all love to claim Bush and Ashcroft as your great spiritual brothers but it just ain't so.
What is Bush, Methodist? Methodist are good, level headed and all. ;)
buzaw
02-01-2003, 04:32 PM
Really, and I say this in all humility, God help us if "Christian Fudnamentalist" ever get control of our government. :(
There is no historical record of any threat to any culture where New Testament fundamentals prevailed, as has been the case in the history of our nation.
Not so south of the border and not so in all the areas of the world where the fundamentals of my itemized list of ideologies prevail/prevailed.
wendy
02-01-2003, 04:35 PM
Buzz, I would contest that statement but you and I are never going to agree on a definition for fundamentalists. ;)
ilovelucy
02-01-2003, 05:19 PM
I think many Christians are not alligning themselves with any political party anymore. I can say this for myself.
There should be a Christian voice. But, one of compassion, understanding and constraint in my opinion...
Once a war is on, then we are obligated to help defend our COUNTRY, and not this silly HOMELAND nonsense!!!!
Lazarus
02-01-2003, 07:54 PM
What is Bush, Methodist? Methodist are good, level headed and all. ;)
Former Pres. George H.W. Bush and Barbara were Episcopalians.
I believe that Laura was a Methodist and so nominally, George W. Bush attends a Methodist Church,
I recall a story I heard on the news during the 2000 Campaign where G.W. was undergoing a spiritual search--and he came to the notion that only born-again Christians got to go to heaven--based mostly upon the indoctrination that many Southern Christian churches seem to perform on their members.
Anyway, the way I heard the story, he raised this issues to his mother and father--and they prevailed upon him and with his foray with extremism--basically, they made the point that it was God who gets to decide who goes to heaven--and that it was not necessarily God's requirement that a person be a "born again Christian."
God will have mercy on whom He pleases to have mercy--regardless of their worldly deeds or beliefs. However, that is not a license to be evil just an acknowlegment that God makes those decisions--and not worldly men and women.
Lazarus
02-01-2003, 08:26 PM
It is extremism that leads to war.
aka fundamentalism?
If it involves a lack of moderation, then it is extremism or zealotry. It is not necessarily limited to religion, but in a religious context, zealotry has been a bane to faith--particularly to Christianity, It is Islamic zealotry that is the root cause of many modern terror attacks.
Jewish zealotry in the first century of the Common Era led to the destruction of the Jewish temple by the Romans and the banishment of the Jews from Jerusalem and from the region of Palestine.
If it is possible to be a fundamentalist and not be a zealot, then there is an an exception and it is not an alias or "Also Known As" (AKA).
"Everything in moderation" is a Christian principle.
Not enough oxygen in the air you breathe, and you will die from asphyxiation. Too much oxygen in the air you breathe can make an infant blind, give an adult respiratory distress or "shock lung:--or cause a person with emphysema to stop breathing.
In moderation--say a concentration of 21% within an atmosphere of mostly nitrogen (inert) and carbon dioxide, oxygen supports a healthy life. :)
Too much water, and you will drown. Not enough water and you will die from thirst. Water in moderation will support a healthy life. :)
So, if the fundamentalists are zealots, then I do not have an issue with what you have said.
However, are all fundamentalists also zealots?
Christian zealots tried to reconquer Palestine from the Islamic zealots during the various crusades. In those cases, "Christian fundamentalism" (it seems to me) had not come into existence since it seems to have been a movement starting within America of the early 1900s.
Yet there were zealots or extremists willing to go to war.
Lazarus
02-01-2003, 08:30 PM
I think many Christians are not alligning themselves with any political party anymore. I can say this for myself.
There should be a Christian voice. But, one of compassion, understanding and constraint in my opinion...
Once a war is on, then we are obligated to help defend our COUNTRY, and not this silly HOMELAND nonsense!!!!
"Constraint" or restraint? Exercising self-control and restraint is an example of self-moderating behavior. Exercising constraint upon someone means to bind them and impose your will on them. :o ;)
Lazarus
02-01-2003, 08:35 PM
Sometimes to be too moderate is to not be passionately involved or to passionately believe much of anything at all...It is not one's feelings about what one believes that are at fault, in my opinion. It is the degree of animosity one feels against others that counts....
In love and in service....
Too moderate? That would mean "extremely moderate." That is an oxymoron. Even moderation needs to be taken in moderation sometimes. ;D
ilovelucy
02-02-2003, 02:46 AM
of course. Thanks. I did mean restraint....I should have caught that blooper :-[
Yes, moderation in moderation.... ;D
Lazarus
02-02-2003, 05:57 PM
It is extremism that leads to war.
author=buzsaw
Since deception is the underlying cause of exremism the war buck stops with deception."
There may be extremists who are or who have been deceived. On the other hand, it may be that in certain cases that there is no deception involved, just an extreme desire for conquest (and the subjugation and/or elimination of one's 'enemies'). Therefore, I don't think the premiss can be granted without grounds for doing so.
Cases in point:
1. Islam
2. Nazism
3. Communism
4. Vaticanism
5. Paganism
Listing a bunch of movements with which you or I may or may not disagree is hardly "cases in point". ::)
New Testament Biblical fundamentalism offers the only solution/alternative to war.
Well, except, perhaps, if zealots are willing to fight over their point of view.
When Peter used the sword, Jesus healed the wound and had Peter sheath his sword.
So?
It is extremism that leads to war.
Since deception is the underlying cause of exremism the war buck stops with deception.
Cases in point:
1. Islam
2. Nazism
3. Communism
4. Vaticanism
5. Paganism
You forgot -anities, ie. Christianity or the worst ism of all, Fundamentalism.
Lazarus
02-04-2003, 06:15 PM
It is extremism that leads to war.
Since deception is the underlying cause of exremism the war buck stops with deception.
Cases in point:
1. Islam
2. Nazism
3. Communism
4. Vaticanism
5. Paganism
You forgot -anities, ie. Christianity or the worst ism of all, Fundamentalism.
Actually, Liz, that was covered. There have been extremists and war before there was Christian fundamentalism.
In truth, the problem is lack of moderation. In other words, zealotry. ::)
It is extremism that leads to war.
Since deception is the underlying cause of exremism the war buck stops with deception.
Cases in point:
1. Islam
2. Nazism
3. Communism
4. Vaticanism
5. Paganism
You forgot -anities, ie. Christianity or the worst ism of all, Fundamentalism.
Actually, Liz, that was covered. There have been extremists and war before there was Christian fundamentalism.
In truth, the problem is lack of moderation. In other words, zealotry. ::)
Agreed. I was taking offense at buzzy's position that only Christianity is free of the taint of wrong doing.
Lazarus
02-04-2003, 06:32 PM
It is extremism that leads to war.
Since deception is the underlying cause of exremism the war buck stops with deception.
Cases in point:
1. Islam
2. Nazism
3. Communism
4. Vaticanism
5. Paganism
You forgot -anities, ie. Christianity or the worst ism of all, Fundamentalism.
Actually, Liz, that was covered. There have been extremists and war before there was Christian fundamentalism.
In truth, the problem is lack of moderation. In other words, zealotry. ::)
Agreed. I was taking offense at buzzy's position that only Christianity is free of the taint of wrong doing.
Many people have taken Christ's name in vain. >:( :(
Many others have done much good by his name also. :)
ilovelucy
02-04-2003, 07:27 PM
We do not get many kudos for those things done in Christ's name which are positive contributions....
Name all the hatefilled and murderous acts in the name of Christ (So-called Christian communists excluded).............
It is extremism that leads to war.
Since deception is the underlying cause of exremism the war buck stops with deception.
Cases in point:
1. Islam
2. Nazism
3. Communism
4. Vaticanism
5. Paganism
You forgot -anities, ie. Christianity or the worst ism of all, Fundamentalism.
Actually, Liz, that was covered. There have been extremists and war before there was Christian fundamentalism.
In truth, the problem is lack of moderation. In other words, zealotry. ::)
Agreed. I was taking offense at buzzy's position that only Christianity is free of the taint of wrong doing.
Many people have taken Christ's name in vain. >:( :(
Many others have done much good by his name also. :)
I agree with you on that as well. Now stop acting like you don't understand what I was saying.
Lazarus
02-05-2003, 05:19 PM
It is extremism that leads to war.
Since deception is the underlying cause of exremism the war buck stops with deception.
Cases in point:
1. Islam
2. Nazism
3. Communism
4. Vaticanism
5. Paganism
You forgot -anities, ie. Christianity or the worst ism of all, Fundamentalism.
Actually, Liz, that was covered. There have been extremists and war before there was Christian fundamentalism.
In truth, the problem is lack of moderation. In other words, zealotry. ::)
Agreed. I was taking offense at buzzy's position that only Christianity is free of the taint of wrong doing.
Many people have taken Christ's name in vain. >:( :(
Many others have done much good by his name also. :)
I agree with you on that as well. Now stop acting like you don't understand what I was saying.
By showing that there are at least two sides to the story, I was simply acting in moderation. ;D
It is extremism that leads to war.
Since deception is the underlying cause of exremism the war buck stops with deception.
Cases in point:
1. Islam
2. Nazism
3. Communism
4. Vaticanism
5. Paganism
You forgot -anities, ie. Christianity or the worst ism of all, Fundamentalism.
Actually, Liz, that was covered. There have been extremists and war before there was Christian fundamentalism.
In truth, the problem is lack of moderation. In other words, zealotry. ::)
Agreed. I was taking offense at buzzy's position that only Christianity is free of the taint of wrong doing.
Many people have taken Christ's name in vain. >:( :(
Many others have done much good by his name also. :)
I agree with you on that as well. Now stop acting like you don't understand what I was saying.
By showing that there are at least two sides to the story, I was simply acting in moderation. ;D
The guy who writes two page long posts, acting in moderation. Yeah that'll be the day.
Lazarus
02-05-2003, 08:33 PM
The guy who writes two page long posts, acting in moderation. Yeah that'll be the day.
Why, Lizzie, I am reknowned for my moderate, sensible and centrist views!
The guy who writes two page long posts, acting in moderation. Yeah that'll be the day.
Why, Lizzie, I am reknowned for my moderate, sensible and centrist views!
Your views may be moderate, but you sure can't make them known without posting for two pages.
Lazarus
02-06-2003, 05:53 PM
The guy who writes two page long posts, acting in moderation. Yeah that'll be the day.
Why, Lizzie, I am reknowned for my moderate, sensible and centrist views!
Your views may be moderate, but you sure can't make them known without posting for two pages.
Is that a fact? ;D
The guy who writes two page long posts, acting in moderation. Yeah that'll be the day.
Why, Lizzie, I am reknowned for my moderate, sensible and centrist views!
Your views may be moderate, but you sure can't make them known without posting for two pages.
Is that a fact? ;D
I'm not the only one who has complained love. Most of your posts should come with Cliff's Notes.
Lazarus
02-06-2003, 06:39 PM
I'm not the only one who has complained love. Most of your posts should come with Cliff's Notes.
:o
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