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ponygurl
02-01-2003, 07:34 AM
I'm going to veer from the trend of American politics here and throw out a subject in which i have an interest.
why is that we will euthanize a cat or a dog, or shoot our horse when it's down, yet we allow our loved ones to lay in a bed and die an agonizing death . Why is mercy killing acceptable in the lesser species, but in humans, it is not?? Is it really because we are the superior species?
Isn't it cruel?? Why are we kinder to out cat than our parents??
Maybe humans are cowards. Maybe we fear death. Isn't it selfish to keep a suffering human alive?
ponygurl, it should always be up to the person doing the suffering, IMHO. But it should definately not be illegal.
truelies
02-01-2003, 07:39 AM
Perhaps we do not 'putdown' humans the way we do our pets or barnyard animals because HUMANS ARE NOT DUMB ANIMALS??????????
ponygurl
02-01-2003, 07:55 AM
I totally agree.. never should we be able to make the decision for another human being. And as for humans not being "dumb animals".. I agree.. even if a person is very ill they can have something to offer someone. But if the person is begging to die?? If the person's pain is such that there is no wish to live?? If they WANT the end?? If they have no fear of dying anymore.. and are too tired to go on?? Isn't it cruel to keep them here?
If another person is in so much pain that they are begging to die, aren't we treating them like pets by keeping them around?
The longer "they" keep you alive, the more money "they" can suck out of you before you expire.
How many homeless people are put on life support for any extended period of time?
Perhaps we do not 'putdown' humans the way we do our pets or barnyard animals because HUMANS ARE NOT DUMB ANIMALS??????????
Link, please. ;D
The longer "they" keep you alive, the more money "they" can suck out of you before you expire.
How many homeless people are put on life support for any extended period of time?
I'd have to say none.
At the beginning of World War II the Nazi regime in Germany began killing individuals with physical disabilities, people who were mentally retarded, and the terminally ill. The killings were called ‘euthanasia’, i.e. ‘mercy killings’.
The so-called Euthanasia Programme (‘Operation T4’) cost approximately 270,000 people their life.
ponygurl
02-01-2003, 01:12 PM
Sorry.. that was murder.. Hitler sugar coated what it was by deeming those people "unworthy".. I'm fairly certain 99.9999999% of them did not want to die.. it is only mercy killing if it is to benefit the person who ASKED to die.. otherwise.. it's murder.
truelies
02-01-2003, 01:43 PM
If another person is in so much pain that they are begging to die, aren't we treating them like pets by keeping them around?
Odds here are that 99% likely you are talking a Doc who is not well versed in pain control.
wendy
02-01-2003, 01:46 PM
Perhaps we do not 'putdown' humans the way we do our pets or barnyard animals because HUMANS ARE NOT DUMB ANIMALS??????????
Have you met Yukon or I-RIGHT-I? :)
wendy
02-01-2003, 01:48 PM
If another person is in so much pain that they are begging to die, aren't we treating them like pets by keeping them around?
Odds here are that 99% likely you are talking a Doc who is not well versed in pain control.
Truelies, often "pain control" is what kills the patient in the end....a dirty little secret people often don't want to discuss. ;)
If the only option for pain management is a coma...what is the point?
truelies
02-01-2003, 01:58 PM
The difference between medical treatment and murder. (intent)
ponygurl
02-01-2003, 02:16 PM
Medical treatment vs murder.. what if you placed enough meds in reach of a person if you were well aware they intended to take them all and end their lives?? Is that murder?? Is that mercy killing??
wendy
02-01-2003, 04:11 PM
The difference between medical treatment and murder. (intent)
The intent is clear when a patient is loaded up on drugs to the point they can no longer feel pain. The doctor knows full well the drugs may well KILL the patient before the disease.
The so-called Euthanasia Programme (‘Operation T4’) cost approximately 270,000 people their life.
Hmmm...it appears he missed one.
tileman
02-01-2003, 04:32 PM
It's interesting that the medical community seems to have no compunctions at taking a life that is just beginning (abortion), yet find it abhorrent to end the life of one that's lived and now chooses to die.
It's interesting that the medical community seems to have no compunctions at taking a life that is just beginning (abortion), yet find it abhorrent to end the life of one that's lived and now chooses to die.
How much money does an unborn have that they can pilfer?
wendy
02-01-2003, 04:36 PM
It's interesting that the medical community seems to have no compunctions at taking a life that is just beginning (abortion), yet find it abhorrent to end the life of one that's lived and now chooses to die.
I don't know that it is the medical community having hissy fits over it.
I don't know that it is the medical community having hissy fits over it.
Yep. It's the people who aren't willing to do anything about it besides condemn others for doing so.
Would they be the same people standing in lines with signs showing pictures of Uncle Joe laying on his death bed?
You do the math.
tileman
02-01-2003, 04:41 PM
Someplace in the Bible it talks about the last days where some will long for death, but it won't find them.
If it isn't the medical community then who?
Someplace in the Bible it talks about the last days where some will long for death, but it won't find them.
If it isn't the medical community then who?
That means that God will make it so miserable for His "children" that he will force them to stay alive to suffer.
Praise.
tileman
02-01-2003, 04:46 PM
It's interesting that the medical community seems to have no compunctions at taking a life that is just beginning (abortion), yet find it abhorrent to end the life of one that's lived and now chooses to die.
How much money does an unborn have that they can pilfer?
I think it has more to do with a screwed up elitist view and pronouncement of what is.
tileman
02-01-2003, 04:48 PM
Someplace in the Bible it talks about the last days where some will long for death, but it won't find them.
If it isn't the medical community then who?
That means that God will make it so miserable for His "children" that he will force them to stay alive to suffer.
Praise.
:).................Bullshit
I think it has more to do with a screwed up elitist view and pronouncement of what is.
I don't understand what that means. I'm stupid in that way, though.
tileman
02-01-2003, 04:55 PM
I think it has more to do with a screwed up elitist view and pronouncement of what is.
I don't understand what that means. I'm stupid in that way, though.
Making truth a lie through proclamation rather than fact. And everyone just kind of, baa ok .....on their merry way.
TROLLOP
02-01-2003, 05:01 PM
Someplace in the Bible it talks about the last days where some will long for death, but it won't find them.
If it isn't the medical community then who?
That means that God will make it so miserable for His "children" that he will force them to stay alive to suffer.
Praise.
Oh what a bunch of bollocks! This whole thread is typical of the bleeding gits that inhabit this board! I can't believe there are so many of you!
tileman
02-01-2003, 05:09 PM
Someplace in the Bible it talks about the last days where some will long for death, but it won't find them.
If it isn't the medical community then who?
That means that God will make it so miserable for His "children" that he will force them to stay alive to suffer.
Praise.
Oh what a bunch of bollocks! This whole thread is typical of the bleeding gits that inhabit this board! I can't believe there are so many of you!
Someone asked you to stay?
:).................Bullshit
Well, that's what it means to me. Of course, we only have a 50/50 chance that one or the other is wrong...hell...maybe even both. ;D
Oh what a bunch of bollocks! This whole thread is typical of the bleeding gits that inhabit this board! I can't believe there are so many of you!
Perhaps we've misled you. We don't give a shit what you believe. ;D ;D ;D
TROLLOP
02-01-2003, 05:14 PM
Someplace in the Bible it talks about the last days where some will long for death, but it won't find them.
If it isn't the medical community then who?
That means that God will make it so miserable for His "children" that he will force them to stay alive to suffer.
Praise.
Oh what a bunch of bollocks! This whole thread is typical of the bleeding gits that inhabit this board! I can't believe there are so many of you!
Terribly sorry for the language. Please disregard any time I swear. Tourets syndrome. Thanks.
Oh what a bunch of bollocks! This whole thread is typical of the bleeding gits that inhabit this board! I can't believe there are so many of you!
Perhaps we've misled you. We don't give a shit what you believe. ;D ;D ;D
Besides, you're obviously a Brit. You can prove it to us by showing us your teeth. ;D
:).................Bullshit
Well, that's what it means to me. Of course, we only have a 50/50 chance that one or the other is wrong...hell...maybe even both. ;D
You're not far off badnews, perhaps what it is talking about things will be so bad people won't want to live, it doesn't mean they can't kill themselves.
Terribly sorry for the language. Please disregard any time I swear. Tourets syndrome. Thanks.
You have NO idea how offensive it is to be called a "bollock" or a "git." ::)
Someplace in the Bible it talks about the last days where some will long for death, but it won't find them.
If it isn't the medical community then who?
That means that God will make it so miserable for His "children" that he will force them to stay alive to suffer.
Praise.
Oh what a bunch of bollocks! This whole thread is typical of the bleeding gits that inhabit this board! I can't believe there are so many of you!
Terribly sorry for the language. Please disregard any time I swear. Tourets syndrome. Thanks.
Okay, will you do that for me? ;D My problem is bad upbringing.
You're not far off badnews, perhaps what it is talking about things will be so bad people won't want to live, it doesn't mean they can't kill themselves.
I suppose if we really think our lives are that bad, we could trade in all our BMW's, our condos, our credit cards and move to Ethiopia for a real "taste" of what Hell is.
TROLLOP
02-01-2003, 05:19 PM
Terribly sorry for the language. Please disregard any time I swear. Tourets syndrome. Thanks.
You have NO idea how offensive it is to be called a "bollock" or a "git." ::)
I apologized for that. It just comes out sometimes. I didn't mean it.
tileman
02-01-2003, 05:20 PM
Terribly sorry for the language. Please disregard any time I swear. Tourets syndrome. Thanks.
You have NO idea how offensive it is to be called a "bollock" or a "git." ::)
What a wanker.... ;D
TROLLOP
02-01-2003, 05:21 PM
Okay, will you do that for me? ;D My problem is bad upbringing.
Okay.
I apologized for that. It just comes out sometimes. I didn't mean it.
It's unnecessary. It was about as offensive as being called a poo poo head. ::)
Americans aren't offended by limp wristed insults by some foreigner that owes their entire existence to us.
tileman
02-01-2003, 05:23 PM
Terribly sorry for the language. Please disregard any time I swear. Tourets syndrome. Thanks.
You have NO idea how offensive it is to be called a "bollock" or a "git." ::)
I apologized for that. It just comes out sometimes. I didn't mean it.
Quit grovelling.........it's embarrassing.... ;D
Thunder Bay
02-01-2003, 05:23 PM
Hey,
Is that richboy? ;D
TROLLOP
02-01-2003, 05:23 PM
Terribly sorry for the language. Please disregard any time I swear. Tourets syndrome. Thanks.
You have NO idea how offensive it is to be called a "bollock" or a "git." ::)
I apologized for that. It just comes out sometimes. I didn't mean it.
Quit grovelling.........it's embarrassing.... ;D
Okay. Sorry.
I use to be against mercy killing, but after reading the posts from yukon... I'm changing my mind. ::)
Trollop are you ready to wallop Iraq?
I use to be against mercy killing, but after reading the posts from yukon... I'm changing my mind. ::)
;D I love you already .... that's just a phrase. ;)
tileman
02-01-2003, 05:27 PM
I use to be against mercy killing, but after reading the posts from yukon... I'm changing my mind. ::)
OK no more Mr Niceguy..........Who the < heck > are you and where do you come from?....... ;D........... Just kidding heh heh........ ::)
TROLLOP
02-01-2003, 05:30 PM
Trollop are you ready to wallop Iraq?
Tally Ho. eh what? By George!
tileman
02-01-2003, 05:35 PM
Trollop are you ready to wallop Iraq?
Tally Ho. eh what? By George!
I think that means he likes you too Lonestar.....a lot.... ;D
Personally, I've never "tallied" a ho before...maybe I have and didn't realize it, though.
Trollop are you ready to wallop Iraq?
Tally Ho. eh what? By George!
I think that means he likes you too Lonestar.....a lot.... ;D
You got such a gutter mind tile, I don't know what to do with you.
I like Trollop, we had a good exchange today.
ilovelucy
02-01-2003, 05:38 PM
It is rather easy to committ suicide...rather painlessly really with all the drugs around that will do it for you.
Fine. Your choice.
Personally, I prefer the privacy of my own home and not some doctor in a medsuit hovering over my body during my final moments on earth....
By the way, bad.
If we all moved to Ethiopia with our condos and BMW's and credit cards and such, within a year, Ethiopia would be the crowning jewel of the continent of Africa....blacks and whites included....just the modus operandi....
By the way, bad.
If we all moved to Ethiopia with our condos and BMW's and credit cards and such, within a year, Ethiopia would be the crowning jewel of the continent of Africa....blacks and whites included....just the modus operandi....
The only reason the Ethiopians are starving to death is because Sally Struthers ate all of their food.
tileman
02-01-2003, 05:40 PM
Trollop are you ready to wallop Iraq?
Tally Ho. eh what? By George!
I think that means he likes you too Lonestar.....a lot.... ;D
You got such a gutter mind tile, I don't know what to do with you.
I like Trollop, we had a good exchange today.
Ok....out of respect I won't jump on the exchange remark..........sorry guys...... :-\
NorNec
02-01-2003, 05:41 PM
Personally, I've never "tallied" a ho before...maybe I have and didn't realize it, though.
All you have to do is add up the amount of money you spent with women and men, count the number of times you've pleasured, devide by the number of times you did not satisfy, and subtract your I.Q. and you've tallied a "Ho"
Now take that number, devide by 6, add 3, and it spells wendy.
You my friend have tallied a "Ho". ;D
tileman
02-01-2003, 05:44 PM
Personally, I've never "tallied" a ho before...maybe I have and didn't realize it, though.
All you have to do is add up the amount of money you spent with women and men, count the number of times you've pleasured, devide by the number of times you did not satisfy, and subtract your I.Q. and you've tallied a "Ho"
Now take that number, devide by 6, add 3, and it spells wendy.
You my friend have tallied a "Ho". ;D
Do you have to hijack every thread you jump into?... ;D
Where ya been? Yukon's been asking for you.... ;)
Personally, I've never "tallied" a ho before...maybe I have and didn't realize it, though.
All you have to do is add up the amount of money you spent with women and men, count the number of times you've pleasured, devide by the number of times you did not satisfy, and subtract your I.Q. and you've tallied a "Ho"
Now take that number, devide by 6, add 3, and it spells wendy.
You my friend have tallied a "Ho". ;D
NorNec was lurking for over an hour and this is what he came up with. ::)
tileman
02-01-2003, 06:02 PM
Personally, I've never "tallied" a ho before...maybe I have and didn't realize it, though.
All you have to do is add up the amount of money you spent with women and men, count the number of times you've pleasured, devide by the number of times you did not satisfy, and subtract your I.Q. and you've tallied a "Ho"
Now take that number, devide by 6, add 3, and it spells wendy.
You my friend have tallied a "Ho". ;D
NorNec was lurking for over an hour and this is what he came up with. ::)
Oh come on now Bill..........he's just been shy, ever since the INCIDENT.... ::)
Personally, I've never "tallied" a ho before...maybe I have and didn't realize it, though.
All you have to do is add up the amount of money you spent with women and men, count the number of times you've pleasured, devide by the number of times you did not satisfy, and subtract your I.Q. and you've tallied a "Ho"
Now take that number, devide by 6, add 3, and it spells wendy.
You my friend have tallied a "Ho". ;D
NorNec was lurking for over an hour and this is what he came up with. ::)
Oh come on now Bill..........he's just been shy, ever since the INCIDENT.... ::)
You mean the one with Yukon? :o
tileman
02-01-2003, 06:12 PM
ssshhhh 8)
NorNec
02-01-2003, 06:18 PM
I can honestly say I have never spoken, seen or "tallied" a yukon. I will admit to a hijack now and then, but the numbers add up and will be proven over time.
Wendy is a "Ho"
NorNec
02-01-2003, 06:20 PM
Personally, I've never "tallied" a ho before...maybe I have and didn't realize it, though.
All you have to do is add up the amount of money you spent with women and men, count the number of times you've pleasured, devide by the number of times you did not satisfy, and subtract your I.Q. and you've tallied a "Ho"
Now take that number, devide by 6, add 3, and it spells wendy.
You my friend have tallied a "Ho". ;D
NorNec was lurking for over an hour and this is what he came up with. ::)
Tattle tale! I was NOT lurking, but peeking. I saw what you did last summer :-X
Personally, I've never "tallied" a ho before...maybe I have and didn't realize it, though.
All you have to do is add up the amount of money you spent with women and men, count the number of times you've pleasured, devide by the number of times you did not satisfy, and subtract your I.Q. and you've tallied a "Ho"
Now take that number, devide by 6, add 3, and it spells wendy.
You my friend have tallied a "Ho". ;D
NorNec was lurking for over an hour and this is what he came up with. ::)
Tattle tale! I was NOT lurking, but peeking. I saw what you did last summer :-X
I can't remember, are we friends?
NorNec
02-01-2003, 06:24 PM
Ronald Reagen has the same problem, but it is common in gentleman your age. Yes, we are friends.
tileman
02-01-2003, 06:27 PM
I can honestly say I have never spoken, seen or "tallied" a yukon. I will admit to a hijack now and then, but the numbers add up and will be proven over time.
Wendy is a "Ho"
She's the new moderator too... ;D
I don't know how many times I heard her say.."I can't wait untill that asshole show's his face around here again.".... ;D
Ronald Reagen has the same problem, but it is common in gentleman your age. Yes, we are friends.
We are? ................... Who's Ronald Reagen?
ponygurl
02-01-2003, 06:58 PM
I just wanna hear about the "incident " ;D
ilovelucy
02-01-2003, 07:03 PM
By the way, bad.
If we all moved to Ethiopia with our condos and BMW's and credit cards and such, within a year, Ethiopia would be the crowning jewel of the continent of Africa....blacks and whites included....just the modus operandi....
The only reason the Ethiopians are starving to death is because Sally Struthers ate all of their food.
HAHAHAHAHAAAAAHA!
You're terrible!!!
I just wanna hear about the "incident " ;D
One only has to close their eyes and picture a mentally disturbed man (Yukon) with another man dressed up like a sheep (NorNec) and the rest, well, you get the picture. ;)
I just wanna hear about the "incident " ;D
One only has to close their eyes and picture a mentally disturbed man (Yukon) with another man dressed up like a sheep (NorNec) and the rest, well, you get the picture. ;)
Not in my most alcohol induced nightmares have I ever thought of anything that revolting. yukon sounds almost - subhuman, simian maybe!
Thunder Bay
02-01-2003, 08:26 PM
Revolting was there, too? ;D
tileman
02-01-2003, 08:29 PM
Revolting was there, too? ;D
Pay attention tb....... ;D
LanceALott
02-01-2003, 08:40 PM
Jeez, I thought this was another thread about Yukon.
[quote author=NorNec
We are? ................... Who's Ronald Reagen?
[/quote]
Who's Ronny Reagan..well he's nothing but a burned out old man with the brain of a cabage.
wendy
02-01-2003, 09:13 PM
I can honestly say I have never spoken, seen or "tallied" a yukon. I will admit to a hijack now and then, but the numbers add up and will be proven over time.
Wendy is a "Ho"
Your wife is named Wendy?
I can honestly say I have never spoken, seen or "tallied" a yukon. I will admit to a hijack now and then, but the numbers add up and will be proven over time.
Wendy is a "Ho"
Your wife is named Wendy?
Popular name. :D
Lazarus
02-01-2003, 10:51 PM
I totally agree.. never should we be able to make the decision for another human being. And as for humans not being "dumb animals".. I agree.. even if a person is very ill they can have something to offer someone. But if the person is begging to die?? If the person's pain is such that there is no wish to live?? If they WANT the end?? If they have no fear of dying anymore.. and are too tired to go on?? Isn't it cruel to keep them here?
"If the person's pain is such that there is no wish to live??"
The physician in charge should provide enough painkiller meds to eliminate the pain. Improper pain management for the terminally ill is the real issue here.
ponygurl
02-02-2003, 05:12 AM
Well, actually.. there is pain that quantity of painkillers does not numb. This I know because I have seen terminally ill people die. Drug induced coma is then an option.
There are people who are more frightened of the pain than death. My Dad is an excellent exampe of this. He is terminally ill with bone and lung cancer. He has had a moderate amount of pain for 15 yrs, and now faced with certain death, he feels this is his time, and he would be happy to go. his reasons are that he has absolutely zero desire to face a death from lung cancer ( understandably) and secondly, he would rather have departed than know that his family is watching him die like that with that amount of pain when the outcome is inevitable.
However, in the Ontario healthcare system, believe me.. we fight tooth and nail for painkiller. But that's a whole different thread. >:(
truelies
02-02-2003, 06:14 AM
Medical treatment vs murder.. what if you placed enough meds in reach of a person if you were well aware they intended to take them all and end their lives?? Is that murder?? Is that mercy killing??
For me, the question is where the line is drawn in Law. Defense of Self or Others and/or Lawful Execution of those duly convicted of gross Criminal Offenses or those killed during attacks on military targets are the only deaths that the State should recognise as legitimate. Any extension of the State's power to legitimise killing beyond these limits is an exercise in Utilitarian Ethics which always ends in what has Utility turning out to be exploitation of the weak in the interest of the powerful.
The case of killing a friend/loved one who is in pain 'beyond their ability to bear' without some reasonable medical recourse should not receive an automatic pass from the State. Do what conscience requires but be prepared to justify your Act to the Community though a Jury of your peers, just as you would be expected to do if you shot an intruder to your Home. Given that we have had this Kervokian creep preying on vunerable people in Michigan to satisfy HIS Jeffrey Dalmerlike lust for Blood (he was killing people suffering from DEPRESSION for Christ's sake), greedy heirs in various places offing elderly relatives in 'mercy killings' TO STOP THE HEMMORAGING OF THE ESTATE, that scumbag aussie bioethicist Peter Singer who is pushing the idea that we need a month after birth to count the fingers & toes on our kids before they receive legal status as people. Nor do I trust the so called 'medical professionals' here in America who are sooo hot to be placed in a position to decide whose life has sufficient social value to justify continuing . I do have moderate trust in a jury of ordinary people.
truelies
02-02-2003, 06:31 AM
The difference between medical treatment and murder. (intent)
The intent is clear when a patient is loaded up on drugs to the point they can no longer feel pain. The doctor knows full well the drugs may well KILL the patient before the disease.
When my Dad died back in 1987, I am sure that the painkillers (lung cancer & a tumor in the brain) did hasten his end, BUT he also did have some decent fairly pain free time with his family until about the last week when yes he was mostly uncouncious. So yes I do see drugs as ab alternative to putting a person down like a dog.
Hell, if given their way the 'death with dignity' crowd will be giving DEPRESSED TEENS the 'right' to go to some school clinic and get a suicide pill. Think about it. The preceived pain of a really deep depression is on a par with that of a terminal illness. The depression HOWEVER is very treatable IF the sufferer can be gotten to help. Often getting that help requires outside intervention which involves overruling the personal autonomy, even of an adult. To me their is no question, if I have to hog tie my nearest and dearest to transport them to treatment so be it.
What about you Wendy?????????
ilovelucy
02-02-2003, 12:18 PM
I have a friend whose wife was in her last days with a battle with cancer--bone cancer which is, from what I know, is particularly painful....
She had asked him to kill her if the pain got so great that it was beyond endurance. One awful night before she died, he felt he might obligate her request and raised a pillow to suffocate her....She could not speak, but looked at him and according to his story, she seemed to understand what he was about to do...She shook her head saying "no"....He realized that she wanted to go "naturally....This lovely lady, an artist and mother of teenagers, died two days later....She was 43 years old.
So, we do not know sometimes....the will to live just a bit longer might be compelling....
I use to be against mercy killing, but after reading the posts from yukon... I'm changing my mind. ::)
In his case it's called retroactive abortion.
mancow
02-05-2003, 10:55 AM
why is everyone so willing to kill off unborn babies or old people. Let's take that attitude or culture of death to these ragheads overseas.
why is everyone so willing to kill off unborn babies or old people. Let's take that attitude or culture of death to these ragheads overseas.
I'm not willing to kill either of them without good reason. I think it's a good reason if the old person is begging to die because they're in pain.
mancow
02-05-2003, 12:14 PM
I'm not willing to kill either of them without good reason. I think it's a good reason if the old person is begging to die because they're in pain.
Is this an admission that you are a murderous? Do you need a lawyer?
I'm not willing to kill either of them without good reason. I think it's a good reason if the old person is begging to die because they're in pain.
Is this an admission that you are a murderous? Do you need a lawyer?
No cowman, it's just an admission that people have the right to choose how and when they die.
mancow
02-05-2003, 01:06 PM
I'm not willing to kill either of them without good reason. I think it's a good reason if the old person is begging to die because they're in pain.
Are you the creepy type of gal lurking around the corners in the hospital waiting for the right time to sneak in and push a pillow on top of an old patient's head to snuff them out? If anything would justify bringing the airport security goons to the hospital to guard it it would be a murderous witch like you.
No cowman, it's just an admission that people have the right to choose how and when they die.
If you want to condone suicide fine. I dont but I already have my head on straight. If you do then why justify it through medical people. Aren't they supposed to save lives?
I'm not willing to kill either of them without good reason. I think it's a good reason if the old person is begging to die because they're in pain.
Are you the creepy type of gal lurking around the corners in the hospital waiting for the right time to sneak in and push a pillow on top of an old patient's head to snuff them out? If anything would justify bringing the airport security goons to the hospital to guard it it would be a murderous witch like you.
No cowman, it's just an admission that people have the right to choose how and when they die.
If you want to condone suicide fine. I dont but I already have my head on straight. If you do then why justify it through medical people. Aren't they supposed to save lives?
mancow you're starting to smell like a Christian Fundamentalist, am I correct?
wendy
02-05-2003, 01:45 PM
If you want to condone suicide fine.
Should an adult have the choice to end their life?
If you want to condone suicide fine.
Should an adult have the choice to end their life?
You stupid bitch you have the choice to end your life already. If you want to leave than blow your fucking brains out.....who cares?
wendy
02-05-2003, 01:49 PM
If you want to condone suicide fine.
Should an adult have the choice to end their life?
You stupid bitch you have the choice to end your life already. If you want to leave than blow your fucking brains out.....who cares?
I won't argue the "bitch" comment because it's apparent that you are an insecure little man.
As for being stupid, perhaps you need to read my post again. I specifically asked mancow if HE believed an adult should have the option of suicide.
I'm not willing to kill either of them without good reason. I think it's a good reason if the old person is begging to die because they're in pain.
Are you the creepy type of gal lurking around the corners in the hospital waiting for the right time to sneak in and push a pillow on top of an old patient's head to snuff them out? If anything would justify bringing the airport security goons to the hospital to guard it it would be a murderous witch like you.
No cowman, it's just an admission that people have the right to choose how and when they die.
If you want to condone suicide fine. I dont but I already have my head on straight. If you do then why justify it through medical people. Aren't they supposed to save lives?
If personal insults are the only way you can argue perhaps you should change your name to Yukonn. For the record I've never killed anyone. I do believe that adults have the right to choose death over lingering in excrutianting pain day in and day out.
I have a DNR on file so that I will never be put on life support. Now if you'd rather end up in the cabbage ward that's your right.
mancow
02-05-2003, 11:09 PM
Hold on now lady I didnt insult you. I asked you a question after you made it obvious you were willing to kill when you had good reason. It reminded me of a show I saw awhile back with a character on it like that. I just asked if you were like that.
mancow
02-05-2003, 11:22 PM
I specifically asked mancow if HE believed an adult should have the option of suicide.
I hate to see anyone kill themselves and other than communists enemy soldiers and terrorists I treasure life. I do not condone suicide especially with medical professionals doing it. That took an oath to save lives and it don't seem right for them to kill these folks when they could be looking for cures to ease the pain instead. Yukon that is how you answer a question. Maybe you should have been taught your manners in a tool shed like I was. I talked to a lady like that once..once. My daddy layed into me for calling my 6th grade teacher a bitch and I havent called a lady that since. He never layed into me for callin' a man names so I dont think you wanna mess with the cow.
Hold on now lady I didnt insult you. I asked you a question after you made it obvious you were willing to kill when you had good reason. It reminded me of a show I saw awhile back with a character on it like that. I just asked if you were like that.
You also ignored every point that I made.
ponygurl
02-06-2003, 05:18 AM
If you want to condone suicide fine.
Should an adult have the choice to end their life?
Personally.. I think every adult has a right to end his / her life when they chose.
I am sure there are some Christians that would disagree with my thinking.
ilovelucy
02-06-2003, 05:57 AM
I have personally known, I would estimate 12 or so, people who have committed suicide....We have an unusually high rate around here for some reason....Several have been friends 25 and younger. A couple were suffering from terminal diseases.
That was their choice and sadly, they felt the only choice they had at the time...I would imagine.
The freedom to do so has always been there. The question is whether or not we will have state-sanctioned "mercy killing" --I do not condone this.
MANCOW,
Old Lizzie has PMS......pay no attention to her.
LanceALott
02-06-2003, 07:42 AM
Sigmund Freud committed suicide, suffereing form terminal cancer, injected himself with lethal dose of morophine.
Some "Christians" think he waited about 60 years to long to do himself in.
I have personally known, I would estimate 12 or so, people who have committed suicide....We have an unusually high rate around here for some reason....Several have been friends 25 and younger. A couple were suffering from terminal diseases.
That was their choice and sadly, they felt the only choice they had at the time...I would imagine.
The freedom to do so has always been there. The question is whether or not we will have state-sanctioned "mercy killing" --I do not condone this.
I do condone that kind of action. In fact I would hope if I ever became so sick that I couldn't do it myself that someone would.
ilovelucy
02-06-2003, 10:22 AM
You might surprise yourself. As I have written before, I was touched by a friend's account of his wife's death from bone cancer. She had asked him to please end it if the pain became obviously unbearable. He was about to smother her, a couple of days before her death, because she was suffering so.....She looked at him and shook her head saying no, she wanted to go on to the end.....
One never knows how we will react when and if such a time comes, but allow the state to off us and believe me, they will probably do it regardless of how we feel about it, just to keep the costs down....
my opinion, of course.
Privately, if you can have a pact with a friend or family member, that is another matter....They shoot horses, don't they?
You might surprise yourself. As I have written before, I was touched by a friend's account of his wife's death from bone cancer. She had asked him to please end it if the pain became obviously unbearable. He was about to smother her, a couple of days before her death, because she was suffering so.....She looked at him and shook her head saying no, she wanted to go on to the end.....
One never knows how we will react when and if such a time comes, but allow the state to off us and believe me, they will probably do it regardless of how we feel about it, just to keep the costs down....
my opinion, of course.
Privately, if you can have a pact with a friend or family member, that is another matter....They shoot horses, don't they?
I'm not talking about doctors walking around killing terminally ill patients no matter what. I'm talking about being legally able to have a pact with a friend or family member. As it stands right now that is illegal and would land your friends and loved ones in prison.
ilovelucy
02-06-2003, 10:28 AM
very easily done without much fuss and if you aren't that sick, I would choose who you have the pact with very carefully.........life insurance policies are always such a temptation..........
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