Pakistani soldiers abandon search for bin Laden

Q Mr. President, in your speeches now you rarely talk or mention Osama bin Laden. Why is that? Also, can you tell the American people if you have any more information, if you know if he is dead or alive? Final part -- deep in your heart, don't you truly believe that until you find out if he is dead or alive, you won't really eliminate the threat of --

THE PRESIDENT: Deep in my heart I know the man is on the run, if he's alive at all. Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not; we haven't heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is -- really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission.

..So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. I'm more worried about making sure that our soldiers are well-supplied; that the strategy is clear; that the coalition is strong; that when we find enemy bunched up like we did in Shahikot Mountains, that the military has all the support it needs to go in and do the job, which they did.

Pakistani soldiers abandon search for bin Laden

PESHAWAR, Pakistan - The Pakistan army said today it will withdraw hundreds of troops from a tense tribal region near Afghanistan where Osama bin Laden and his top deputy were believed to be hiding.

The withdrawals from the South Waziristan area come after several military operations by thousands of troops against remnants of bin Laden's Al Qaeda organization and its supporters in recent months.

Although the tribal region is considered a possible hiding place for bin Laden and his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, a senior Pakistan general said earlier this month that no sign of bin Laden has been found.

Bin Laden, architect of the Sept. 11 attacks against the United States, has been on the run since U.S. forces invaded Afghanistan in October 2001, routing the Taliban rulers, who harbored Al Qaeda militants.

The army will remove checkpoints in Wana, the main town in South Waziristan, Lt. Gen. Safdar Hussain, the top general in northwestern Pakistan, said after meeting with tribal elders Friday.

He said the moves are "in return for the support of tribesmen in operations against foreign miscreants." Some troops will remain in the area, he said.

"We have been assured by tribal elders that they will not allow miscreants to hide in areas under their control," Hussain said.

Between 7,000 and 8,000 Pakistani forces were deployed in a three-pronged offensive in the eastern reaches of the rugged region this month. U.S. military forces remain largely on the Afghanistan side in hopes of capturing or killing any Al Qaeda operatives crossing the border.

Earlier this month, U.S. Army Lt. Gen. Lance Smith, deputy commander of Central Command, said it was "essential that Pakistan military continue their operations" in the area, adding that Pakistan has made "very, very positive moves" against Al Qaeda and its supporters in the past six months.

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[WCP]

Anyone who thinks Pakistan isn't sympathetic to Islamic terrorists is an idiot.

They're on the To Nuke List.

[HollyBaere]

You know, it has been alledged that Osama Bin Laden has been DEAD since Decmeber of 2001. That would most likely be the reason for Pakistan giving up looking for him, don't you think??

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osama_dead.html

And that could also be the reason why Bush said:

March 14, 2002

Bush says bin Laden no Threat

"We haven't heard from him in a long time," Bush told reporters at the White House. "I truly am not that concerned about him."

Knowing he was already dead, I guess he wouldn't be concerned, now would he?

[ilovelucy]

Then what about the most recent tape?

[HollyBaere]

Then what about the most recent tape?


Go look at the link, Lucy.

It was faked, like all the others.

[ilovelucy]

Okay....

why?

[ilovelucy]

There really isn't any proof that OBL is dead or alive, at this point....I wonder myself about recent videos....

But, does it really matter whether he is dead or not?

[Conservinator]

ilovelucy:

Then what about the most recent tape?


Hollybeast:

Go look at the link, Lucy.

It was faked, like all the others.

...and here you are, once again, claiming that something related to an Islamic terrorist has been faked....

[Conservinator]

Hollybeast:

You know, it has been alledged that Osama Bin Laden has been DEAD since Decmeber of 2001. That would most likely be the reason for Pakistan giving up looking for him, don't you think??

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osama_dead.html

Let's take a look at the opening statement on the homepage of www.whatreallyhappened.com:

"This website is anti-war and anti-lie. The purpose of this site is to expose deceptions by governments and media used to trick the public into wars and out of their money.

"It is not anti-Semitic to criticize the policies of the state of Israel." -- Colin Powell

Figures...

[HollyBaere]

Hollybeast:Let's take a look at the opening statement on the homepage of www.whatreallyhappened.com:

"This website is anti-war and anti-lie. The purpose of this site is to expose deceptions by governments and media used to trick the public into wars and out of their money.

"It is not anti-Semitic to criticize the policies of the state of Israel." -- Colin Powell

Figures...



Oh yea, that's right!! You don't like anything that doesn't promote hatred and killing. So you wouldn't go for anything "anti-war".

Yup, and you like a government that lies to strat wars that weren't necessary!! So you wouldn't like anything that is "anti-lie"!

Then again, why would you believe anything Colin Powell has to say? NO!!

You lick Neil (The Bigot) Boortz's butt!!

So, What is your point Connie??

[HollyBaere]

There really isn't any proof that OBL is dead or alive, at this point....I wonder myself about recent videos....

But, does it really matter whether he is dead or not?


I didn't say that for sure he was dead, I said that it was alledged that he had died in Dec. of 2001.

It certainly would explain why Osama looked so different in the videos. And it would explain why neither Bush or Pakistan would no longer worry about looking for him.

[HollyBaere]

And.......what about this????

http://www.freepressinternational.com/laden.1762539.abc.2817671.html

[the bib]

Go look at the link, Lucy.

It was faked, like all the others.


Yeah, luc. They edited that Star Trek episode. "They" meaning Bush & Co. Just ask Kerry & Co. ::)

[Conservinator]

Hollybeast:

So, What is your point Connie??

That you should be instituionalized...It's not safe to allow you to roam free in society any more.

[Conservinator]

Hollybeast:

And.......what about this????

www.freepressinternational.com...bc.2817671.html

Yeah, what about it? It's yet another conspiracy nut case site that you just love to post things from. Let's take a look at some of the topics listed on the site:

911 Conspiracy
New World Order
Mind Control
Skull And Bones
Weather Control

9/11 conspiracy? New World Order? Mind Control? WEATHER CONTROL?

And you expect rational people to take an article from this source seriously?

[Voxo]

Holy mackerel - I really laughed heartily at this thread.
thanks!

[ilovelucy]

I am glad you got a tickle.

The thing in my mind is that even if OBL has been killed or died of ailments, such as kidney failure....there is also the chain of command which merely takes on the cause, so to speak....so, in the end....OBL is merely another ghost to be replaced by another ghost, etc.....

[HollyBaere]

Hollybeast:

Yeah, what about it? It's yet another conspiracy nut case site that you just love to post things from. Let's take a look at some of the topics listed on the site:

911 Conspiracy
New World Order
Mind Control
Skull And Bones
Weather Control

9/11 conspiracy? New World Order? Mind Control? WEATHER CONTROL?

And you expect rational people to take an article from this source seriously?



9/11 Conspiracy......Seeing 9/11 was never investigated properly and their are still families who lost loved ones in this tragedy that are being shut out by The Bush Reich, who truly deserve answers as to why their loved ones were killed. The 9/11 Commission, just like the Warren Commission was designed to make people think that this situation was investigated, when all it is is another diversion to the actual truth!

The New World Order?? Wasn't that an idealology brought forth by Bush's Father?? Some silly notion that they both carry, thinking they can make the whole world bow to their will. sick and twisted don't you think?

Mind control?? Wasn't I just told the other day, by Badnews that I would be sent by the FBI to a "Re-Education Camp", for my not liking the president and his policies?? Talk about mind control!!

Skull and Bones??? Doesn't "Your Hero" Bush belong to that?? Also, John Kerry and every other congreesman and senator secretly patriotic to Israel and it's goals?? Does the name Zionist fit here?? Now, go ahead and tell me it doesn't exsist!

I don't know about any weather control.

I should expect that if this country will ever see the truth again, it had better take articles form these sources MORE seriously!!

[ilovelucy]

Holly.

Change what you can to make a better world.
Accept those things beyond our control.
Give and create to the best of your ability.

Each onto his own.....

[Larry_Oldtimer]

There is another good reason why Osama is largely irrelevant now. It has to do with Arab culture. The only ones they have ever followed are those who themselves lead, and take risks. Arabs have no use for those who hide themselves away from the action. If Osama is alive, he is so afraid to expose himself at all that he is pretty useless in motivating other Arabs. ;)

[Conservinator]

Hollybeast:

I should expect that if this country will ever see the truth again, it had better take articles form these sources MORE seriously!!

Let me get up off of the floor...I fell down laughing at this!

People take YOUR articles seriously?

The only people that really take them serious are other mental cases like...YOU.

[HollyBaere]

Hollybeast:Let me get up off of the floor...I fell down laughing at this?

People take YOUR articles seriously?

The only people that really take them serious are other mental cases like...YOU.



And luck for YOU that I don't take you seriously, Connie!! They would have taken you away with a bag over your head long ago!!

[Conservinator]

Luck for ME that YOU haven't taken me seriously? What is that supposed to mean? Should I be afraid, or something? Should I stop laughing?

And who is THEY? Who would take me away with a bag over my head?

[LanceALott]

And who is THEY? Who would take me away with a bag over my head?




The people from the funny farm with the white coats.

[HollyBaere]

The people from the funny farm with the white coats.


Oh Gee......I forgot...they've already done that!!

Must have been that " Didn't You Know I Was a CIA Agent?" thread over at Passing Thought!!

[wendy]

You lick Neil (The Bigot) Boortz's butt!!





That would be Neal, dipshit. ::)

If you're going to attempt to bash someone, at least get the name right.

[wendy]

I am glad you got a tickle.

The thing in my mind is that even if OBL has been killed or died of ailments, such as kidney failure....there is also the chain of command which merely takes on the cause, so to speak....so, in the end....OBL is merely another ghost to be replaced by another ghost, etc.....


I think it's really out of his hands now...and was designed to be that way. To the terrorists, the "cause" is much more important than one man.

[Jethro Tull]

Holly.

Change what you can to make a better world.
Accept those things beyond our control.
Give and create to the best of your ability.

Each onto his own.....




Sure, but Holly's vision of a "better world" is one without Jews.


And one where we think her wacko websites are credible . . . ::)

[Conservinator]

Oh Gee......I forgot...they've already done that!!

Must have been that " Didn't You Know I Was a CIA Agent?" thread over at Passing Thought!!

Yes, Hollybeast...remember that thread? The one that was a joke, that EVERYONE got except YOU? You believed it...and you still believe it! What a moron...

[LanceALott]

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Quote from: HollyBaere on November 29, 2004, 08:11:16 AM
You lick Neil (The Bigot) Boortz's butt!!







That would be Neal, dipshit. ::)

If you're going to attempt to bash someone, at least get the name right.



Okay, now that the spelling police have made their bust, tell us the truth: Do you KNEEL when you lick Neal's butt?

[HollyBaere]

Yes, Hollybeast...remember that thread? The one that was a joke, that EVERYONE got except YOU? You believed it...and you still believe it! What a moron...



Sorry to burst your bubble, Connie. I NEVER believe it!! And I told you that from the very begining, Nim-Rod!!

Although, I think YOU still believe it!!

[HollyBaere]

That would be Neal, dipshit. ::)

If you're going to attempt to bash someone, at least get the name right.


Who gives a crap, Wendy!! Apparently you knew who I was talking about.

[Conservinator]

Hollybeast:

Sorry to burst your bubble, Connie. I NEVER believe it!! And I told you that from the very begining, Nim-Rod!!

Although, I think YOU still believe it!!

Oh yes you did believe it. Of course, what could be expected from someone as dumb as rocks.

You can't even keep track of your own lies...

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." George W Bush, September 13, 2001


Bush Mum on Pakistan's Bin Laden Efforts

Dec 04, 2004

WASHINGTON - President Bush offered no criticism Saturday of Pakistan's role in the still-unsuccessful hunt for al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden, even though Pakistan's army is pulling back from the region where the terrorist mastermind is believed hiding.

After an Oval Office meeting with Pakistan's president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, Bush said, "His army has been incredibly active and very brave ... flushing out an enemy that though they had found safe haven."

Bush characterized Musharraf as "a determined leader to bring to justice not only people like Osama bin Laden but to bring to justice those would inflict harm and pain on his own people. ... I am very pleased with his efforts."

Pakistan's army said last month it was withdrawing hundreds of troops from the tense tribal region near Afghanistan. The decision to pull back from the South Waziristan area come after several military operations by thousands of troops against remnants of bin Laden's al-Qaida organization and its supporters in recent months.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20041204/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_pakistan

[LanceALott]

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." George W Bush, September 13, 2001


Bush Mum on Pakistan's Bin Laden Efforts

Dec 04, 2004


Bush has f-ed up eveythng he has touched all his life.