Not What You Think..............

[HollyBaere]

November 20, 2004
Not What You Think

by Charley Reese
With all of the political hoopla and heifer dust that is spread about the Middle East, you might think we are totally dependent on Middle Eastern oil. Actually, we are not.

The United States imports about 62 percent of its oil and other petroleum products. Only about 11 percent of domestic usage comes from the Persian Gulf countries. Saudi Arabia, for example, supplies about 7.2 percent of domestic usage.

Our main imports by far come from Canada, Mexico, Venezuela, and Nigeria. From January to July 2004, Saudi Arabia was fourth, just ahead of Nigeria and behind Canada, Mexico, and Venezuela. Iraq was sixth. These figures [.pdf] are from the American Petroleum Institute.

We are bogged down in the Middle East because of Israel, not oil. Iraq was perceived as a threat to Israel, not to Saudi Arabia and certainly not to us. A man who at one time prepared the president's daily intelligence briefing told me years ago that there was never any indication whatsoever that Iraq was going to invade Saudi Arabia. We just used that as an excuse for the first Gulf War.

The majority of American diplomatic efforts in the Middle East are directed at trying to persuade Arab countries to accept Israel. Their relationship to Israel is really none of our business.

I realize that members of a Christian cult that originated in the 19th century believe they have a biblical obligation to love Israel. Well, people are entitled to their religious beliefs, but none of them has any business being used as a basis for American foreign policy. We have one, and only one, interest in the Middle East. That is access, at a fair market price, to oil. Whether the countries from which we buy oil like or don't like Israel, are democracies or monarchies or dictatorships, is immaterial and irrelevant.

I harbor no ill feelings toward Israel. In many ways, it is an admirable country, but it is a foreign country, and the United States should treat Israel the same as it treats every other foreign nation. We should make it clear, for example, that Israel's enemies are not our enemies. If the Israelis and the Syrians don't get along, that's their business. Our relations with Syria should be based strictly on how Syria treats Americans and America's interests.

Unfortunately, Israel has a very powerful lobby in the United States. Even though our intelligence people said Syria was cooperating with the United States in the war on terrorism, we nevertheless applied sanctions, not because of anything Syria said about us or did, but because Syria allows some Palestinian organizations opposed to Israeli occupation to operate inside Syria.

When Jimmy Carter was president, we ended up in effect paying bribes both to Israel and to Egypt so they would sign a peace treaty. That was a dumb thing to do. It was in their interest, not ours, to sign a peace treaty. Why should the American taxpayers be dunned to pay for it?

The whole underlying basis of the neoconservative cockamamie idea of democratizing the Middle East at the point of a gun is the theory that if the Arab countries are democracies, they will accept and get along with Israel. I seriously doubt that, as their dispute with Israel is not over forms of government but over Arab land Israel has seized and refuses to relinquish.

George Washington advised us to harbor neither habitual enmity nor habitual friendship for any foreign country. He also advised us to beware of foreign influence in our domestic affairs. Both pieces of good advice, and both ignored because too many politicians in Washington are wet-pants scared of the Israeli lobby.

We should not be involved in the Middle East at all except as purchasers of oil, but we will go on spending treasure and blood in that area until the American people elect some politicians brave enough to face down the Israeli lobby.

Establishing a modern state of Israel in the middle of the Arab world was a British colonial idea. Americans should not pay with their lives and tax dollars for a British blunder.

Find this article at:
http://www.antiwar.com/reese/?articleid=4017

[the bib]

I'd say you have a screw loose, holly but in fact you have several screws loose.

[wendy]

Establishing a modern state of Israel in the middle of the Arab world was a British colonial idea. Americans should not pay with their lives and tax dollars for a British blunder.





It was supported by the President, Congress and the American people. Congress passed a resolution endorsing the Balfour declaration in Spetember 1922. American support guaranteed the creation of Israel.

The only reason arabs have any land of their own is because the Ottoman empire was defeated in WWI. The arab countries were created just as Israel was created.

[Conservinator]

Yeah, Hollybeast's article is not what you think...it's worse.

What would one expect from www.antiwar.com?

Do you really think you are doing anything here by posting crap like this, Hollybeast?

[HollyBaere]

It was supported by the President, Congress and the American people. Congress passed a resolution endorsing the Balfour declaration in Spetember 1922. American support guaranteed the creation of Israel.

The only reason arabs have any land of their own is because the Ottoman empire was defeated in WWI. The arab countries were created just as Israel was created.




But, what you fail tomention is that the Arab countries exsited BEFORE Israel was created!! You can't mean to make anyone believe there were no Arab countries before 1948 now.

[wendy]

But, what you fail tomention is that the Arab countries exsited BEFORE Israel was created!! You can't mean to make anyone believe there were no Arab countries before 1948 now.


Whoop de fucking do. Are you going to claim a 20 year difference makes the creation of Israel less valid? ::)

Palestine has never existed as a country.

[Thunder Bay]

Cool; Holly gets to blast Israel again AND trash the opinion of our favorite 'it was for oil' whore, LaL. :)

The bigot and the commie both lose. ;D

[HollyBaere]

Whoop de fucking do. Are you going to claim a 20 year difference makes the creation of Israel less valid? ::)

Palestine has never existed as a country.


Actually, no I am not! If Israel cna exsist, so too should Palestine. And it should have right from the very begining!

Although you still fail to mention that, Palestine never exsisted as a country because Israel would NOT let it!!(How convienient!) And still won't let it to this very day!!

[BrandonL]

Holly, if the southerners were suicide bombing the notherns civilian populations, would you let the CSA go free?

[wendy]

Although you still fail to mention that, Palestine never exsisted as a country because Israel would NOT let it!!(How convienient!) And still won't let it to this very day!!




So? Why the hell should they? Britain didn't see fit to grant the arab nomads wandering the land their own country.

[Conservinator]

Hollybeast:

If Israel cna exsist, so too should Palestine. And it should have right from the very begining!

Although you still fail to mention that, Palestine never exsisted as a country because Israel would NOT let it!!(How convienient!) And still won't let it to this very day!!

....and again I will remind you...according to your own standards, you are not qualified to render an opinion about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, because you have never been there and could not possibly know the real truth about the conflict.

[Sparky26]

Yeah, Hollybeast's article is not what you think...it's worse.

What would one expect from www.antiwar.com?

Do you really think you are doing anything here by posting crap like this, Hollybeast?


Hey conservinator...didja see what they're advertising on the main page. :) A book about the Israeli spies in the pentagon and how its the JOOS fault for 9-11...

That outs the page right there as completely anti-semetic and gives your post, Holly absolutely no objectivity and hence, no believability. :) Nice try. Come again when you aren't smoking the crack. :)

[HollyBaere]

So? Why the hell should they? Britain didn't see fit to grant the arab nomads wandering the land their own country.


Since the original Zionists blackmailed Britain and Truman to "create" Israel, you don't think it is possible that Palestine was not only divided into 3 parts, but also convieniently left out of the equasion??

Naw....probably not!

Connie, again you still are assuming that I actually care what you think. Trust me, I DO NOT!!

Sparky26 how do you know that, that article isn't correct?? Just 'cause you say so?? Explain the 5 dancing Israeli's on the rooftop in Manhattan that day then.

[Giancarlo]

Holly thinks Arab countries existed in the middle east before 1948. This isn't actually true because there British occupation. There was also the Ottoman empire, which had control of the region. It was a dying empire, but it still held a lot. The british came in right after the Ottoman Empire collapsed (so there was no such thing as Palestine to begin with). Your anti-war site is shit too.

[LanceALott]

would you let the CSA go free?


Sometimes I wish there was some way to get rid of the stupid Bible-thumping bastards.

[Sparky26]

Since the original Zionists blackmailed Britain and Truman to "create" Israel, you don't think it is possible that Palestine was not only divided into 3 parts, but also convieniently left out of the equasion??

Naw....probably not!

Connie, again you still are assuming that I actually care what you think. Trust me, I DO NOT!!

Sparky26 how do you know that, that article isn't correct?? Just 'cause you say so?? Explain the 5 dancing Israeli's on the rooftop in Manhattan that day then.


Hey holly. That was FIVE. Wanna know how many palestinians were dancing in the streets when they found out about 9-11? It was all over the major news organizations.

Five out of HOW MANY that live in NY?

Do you actually live anywhere near new york? Was this a personal observation of yours, or did you get that off a website too?

Your a poor reporter and a bad source of info, Holly.

Nothing you say is trustworthy. :D

[truelies]

It was supported by the President, Congress and the American people. Congress passed a resolution endorsing the Balfour declaration in Spetember 1922. American support guaranteed the creation of Israel.

The only reason arabs have any land of their own is because the Ottoman empire was defeated in WWI. The arab countries were created just as Israel was created.

Holly is by and large right that what became Israel was an attempt by Britain to use zionism as a means of creating a European colony in the ME. Before WW1 in say 1905 the Jewish population of Palestine was smaller than the Christian population and trivial compared to the moslem population.

[HollyBaere]

Hey holly. That was FIVE. Wanna know how many palestinians were dancing in the streets when they found out about 9-11? It was all over the major news organizations.

Five out of HOW MANY that live in NY?

Do you actually live anywhere near new york? Was this a personal observation of yours, or did you get that off a website too?

Your a poor reporter and a bad source of info, Holly.

Nothing you say is trustworthy. :D


Oh really??

There were witnesses that saw those 5 Israeli's on the rooftop.

Funny, how you have so much to say on this subject, but no credible facts to back it up.

The Palestinians were dancing for a totally different reason, but Americans were made to think otherwise. And since most of what you can find on this is from Israel biased sites, I wouldn't count it it being very truthful.

Although, you can read here about the 5 Dancing Israeli's:

http://ww1.sundayherald.com/37707

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/05/59800.php

Sparky26, denying will not make the lies go away!! Why should we take anything from you as trustworthy??

[Conservinator]

Hey conservinator...didja see what they're advertising on the main page. A book about the Israeli spies in the pentagon and how its the JOOS fault for 9-11...

That outs the page right there as completely anti-semetic and gives your post, Holly absolutely no objectivity and hence, no believability. Nice try. Come again when you aren't smoking the crack.

Hollybeast has posted all kinds of things from anti-Jew sites, in case you haven't noticed yet. She even references sites that support Hamas, Hezbollah, and the PLO. But hey, she says she doesn't hate Jews...

[SamHill]

Oh really??

There were witnesses that saw those 5 Israeli's on the rooftop.

Funny, how you have so much to say on this subject, but no credible facts to back it up.


Holly, I've been searching the web to find photographic evidence of your claim that five Israeli Jews were dancing on the roof. Thus far, I could only find this one picture.

http://www.mgm.com/mgm/uk_images/box-dvd/FIDDLER_ON_THE_ROOF_DVD_hires.jpg

The guy on the roof is in fact a Jew, but he is playing a fiddle. Do think perhaps that he was playing the fiddle for four other Jews who were dancing? ;)

[Whiskey4bfast]

Holly, I've been searching the web to find photographic evidence of your claim that five Israeli Jews were dancing on the roof. Thus far, I could only find this one picture.

http://www.mgm.com/mgm/uk_images/box-dvd/FIDDLER_ON_THE_ROOF_DVD_hires.jpg

The guy on the roof is in fact a Jew, but he is playing a fiddle. Do think perhaps that he was playing the fiddle for four other Jews who were dancing? ;)
Tevye the milkman was probably playing: "If I were a bitch, man...." (for guess who?) ???

[HollyBaere]

SamHill and Whiskey, you ASS and a Half!!

I didn't say there was photgraphic evidence. I said there were people that saw them. (You know, witnesses!)

I said "read these":

http://ww1.sundayherald.com/37707

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/05/59800.php

Or don't you know how to read?? I promise there are now big words! But, sorry to say there are no pictures, so you can understand better.

[WCP]

you ASS and a Half!!


<snicker> Good one!

<jot, jot, jot>

[HollyBaere]

<snicker> Good one!

<jot, jot, jot>


Yes but, you didn't ask who was the ASS and who was the Half! :P

[WCP]

Yes but, you didn't ask who was the ASS and who was the Half! :P


I just figured you gave them equal billing. ;D

[HollyBaere]

LEFT: SOCRATES TAKES THE POSION CUP
RIGHT: ARE YOU A THINKER..OR A LEMMING ?

THE DANCING ISRAELIS

Like most Americans, I was gripped by senses of profound shock, horror, revulsion, sadness, and rage as I watched the horror of September 11, 2001 unfolding live on my television screen. Watching the mass murder of thousands of innocent people live on television was the most upsetting experience of my life. How could any person of sound moral character not be enraged at witnessing this horrific act of barbarism? To read about some faraway, long-ago genocide in a newspaper or a book is distressing enough. But to actually witness the mass murders of what was, at first, believed to have been tens of thousands of innocent people is truly heart stopping and traumatic. I barely slept for two nights afterwards and suffered nightmares. Polling data would later reveal that 65% of Americans actually shed tears on 9-11.1

But not all of the eye-witnesses to the 9-11 slaughter were so saddened. On September 11, five Israeli army veterans were arrested by the FBI after several witnesses saw them "dancing", "high-fiving", and "celebrating" as they took pictures of the World Trade Center disaster from across the river in New Jersey. Steven Gordon was the lawyer who volunteered to represent the five Israelis. He was asked by a Hebrew newspaper why the five men were being detained by the FBI. Here’s what Gordon told Yediot America:

"On the day of the disaster, three of the five boys went up on the roof of the building where the company office is located," said Gordon. "I'm not sure if they saw the twin towers collapse, but, in any event, they photographed the ruins right afterwards. One of the neighbors who saw them called the police and claimed they were posing, dancing and laughing, against the background of the burning towers….

"Anyhow, the three left the roof, took an Urban truck, and drove to a parking lot, located about a five-minute drive from the offices. They parked, stood on the roof of the truck to get a better view of the destroyed towers and took photographs. A woman who was in the building above the lot testified that she saw them smiling and exchanging high-fives. She and another neighbor called the police and reported on Middle-Eastern looking people dancing on the truck. They copied and reported the license plates. 2

When the photos were developed, they revealed that the dancing Israelis were smiling in the foreground of the New York massacre. 3 According to ABC’s 20/20 attempted whitewash of the incident, in addition to their outrageous and highly suspicious behavior, the five also had in their possession the following items; box-cutters, European passports, and $4700 cash hidden in a sock. 4 Why were these Israeli agents so happy about the horrible massacre that was unfolding right before their very eyes? What evil spirit could possess people who are supposed to be America's "allies", and who receive billions of dollars in financial and military aid from US taxpayers each year , to publicly rejoice as innocent people (including many American jews) were burning to death and jumping out of 110 story buildings? Could it be that these happy Israeli army veterans were in some way linked to this monstrous attack? That’s what officials close to the investigation initially told The Bergen Record newspaper of New Jersey. 5

As incredible, as ridiculous, and as "paranoid" as that belief may appear to you at this point, the fact is that certain elements within the Israeli government, and Zionist movement in general, have a long history of attacking the USA and framing Arabs in order to gain support from the US. Before we begin to piece together what really transpired on 9-11, it is absolutely critical that we first review some historical precedents regarding Israel's and International Zionism's treacherous history of manipulating America (and other nations) for their own selfish purposes. Without a basic understanding of this history, it would be impossible to understand the truth as it is today. So put aside your preconceived notions, your psychological defense mechanisms, and your prejudices, and step into my time machine for a journey down the memory hole.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm For the full article

[Whiskey4bfast]

I just figured you gave them equal billing. ;D
I'd hate to be half assed....... >:(

[Larry_Oldtimer]

SamHill and Whiskey, you ASS and a Half!!

I didn't say there was photgraphic evidence. I said there were people that saw them. (You know, witnesses!)

I said "read these":

http://ww1.sundayherald.com/37707

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/05/59800.php

Or don't you know how to read?? I promise there are now big words! But, sorry to say there are no pictures, so you can understand better.


And I can find "eye-witnesses" who have seen aliens from outer space, and have had their "experiences" reported. So what? Is an eye-witness account being published adequate evidence to you that an event occured? ???

[lgllady]

Our current conflict doesn't have a lot to do with oil.

The murder of Theo Van Gogh had nothing to do with oil.

Our current conflict has nothing to do with Israel.

The murder of Margaret Hassan had nothing to do with Israel.

[LanceALott]

Our current conflict doesn't have a lot to do with oil.


Then why has the enemy blown up the OIL pipeline about 200 times?

[Conservinator]

From Hollybeast's insane post above, she uses apfn.org as a source. In all of the rambling that is done, out of it comes this key sentence:

"The (9-11) attacks against New York and Washington were Israeli engineered."

Oh, I get it now...it was the JEWS who caused 9/11, right Hollybeast? First you said Bush was behind it, now...the Jews.

There is no possibility that Islamic terrorists were behind 9/11, according to you. Figures. You who do not believe that Muslims are capable of committing terrorist acts.

You have GOT to be kidding. You expect rational people to buy into this garbage?

Do you really think you are making a difference here by posting this stuff? You are not...all you are doing is making yourself look like an ass.

[HollyBaere]

From Hollybeast's insane post above, she uses apfn.org as a source. In all of the rambling that is done, out of it comes this key sentence:

"The (9-11) attacks against New York and Washington were Israeli engineered."

Oh, I get it now...it was the JEWS who caused 9/11, right Hollybeast? First you said Bush was behind it, now...the Jews.

There is no possibility that Islamic terrorists were behind 9/11, according to you. Figures. You who do not believe that Muslims are capable of committing terrorist acts.

You have GOT to be kidding. You expect rational people to buy into this garbage?

Do you really think you are making a difference here by posting this stuff? You are not...all you are doing is making yourself look like an ass.


So!!?????

You use Boortz as a reference, Connie!!

[Conservinator]

Are you brave enough to go on the record and say that you believe the Jews were responsible for 9-11?

Or will you just refuse to answer the question, like you have done so many times before?

[I-RIGHT-I]

Really, who cares what she thinks? Thanks to the Patriot Act and key loggers she's going to end up in one of those detention camps George started building in 2000.

[SamHill]

SamHill and Whiskey, you ASS and a Half!!

I didn't say there was photgraphic evidence. I said there were people that saw them. (You know, witnesses!)

I said "read these":

http://ww1.sundayherald.com/37707

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/05/59800.php

Or don't you know how to read?? I promise there are now big words! But, sorry to say there are no pictures, so you can understand better.


No Holly. I'm sorry to say that neither Whiskey, nor I know how to read. :( Sadly, we were not able to take advantage of the fine Islamic education that is available to you women. Would you mind terribly, to read it to us? I promise that we will listen very carefully. ;)

[Conservinator]

Are you brave enough to go on the record and say that you believe the Jews were responsible for 9-11?

Or will you just refuse to answer the question, like you have done so many times before?


Looks like another refusal...

[SamHill]

Whenever I try to visualize Holly, all I can see is the demented lady bus driver on South Park.

http://images.southparkstudios.com/img/content/characters/9a.gif

[WCP]

Whenever I try to visualize Holly, all I can see is the demented lady bus driver on South Park.

http://images.southparkstudios.com/img/content/characters/9a.gif


Heh heh. So do I. ;D

[HollyBaere]

Whenever I try to visualize Holly, all I can see is the demented lady bus driver on South Park.

http://images.southparkstudios.com/img/content/characters/9a.gif


NOPE!! Not even close!

South Park, huh?? And you think I am demented?? ::)

[Conservinator]

Hollybeast:

Are you brave enough to go on the record and say that you believe the Jews were responsible for 9-11?

Or will you just refuse to answer the question, like you have done so many times before?

(second request)

[Larry_Oldtimer]

Whenever I try to visualize Holly, all I can see is the demented lady bus driver on South Park.

http://images.southparkstudios.com/img/content/characters/9a.gif


Quite apt! ;D ;D ;D

[katsrdelicious]

Hollybeast:

Are you brave enough to go on the record and say that you believe the Jews were responsible for 9-11?

Or will you just refuse to answer the question, like you have done so many times before?

(second request)
Damn, you're a little obsessive compulsive don't ya think?

She's an idiot. It's well known. Move on.

[Flyrod]

Damn, you're a little obsessive compulsive don't ya think?

She's an idiot. It's well known. Move on.



Yeah, an overbearing buffoon and a blabbering embicile, with one agenda of pushing little Israel into the sea. Move on until the next one I guess. Damn, what a clusterfuck! ::)

[HollyBaere]

Yeah, an overbearing buffoon and a blabbering embicile, with one agenda of pushing little Israel into the sea. Move on until the next one I guess. Damn, what a clusterfuck! ::)


When did I ever say that, flyrod?? If you are going to put words in my mouth you have damn well better show me some proof!!

[HollyBaere]

Really, who cares what she thinks? Thanks to the Patriot Act and key loggers she's going to end up in one of those detention camps George started building in 2000.



Ooooh HEY!!

Now that is REALLY American, don't you think??

Welcome to the U.S.! (S.R)

I really never thought this country would sink so low. I hope you are all proud...... ::)

[WCP]

Ooooh HEY!!

Now that is REALLY American, don't you think??

Welcome to the U.S.! (S.R)

I really never thought this country would sink so low. I hope you are all proud...... ::)


You're either with us or against us. If you are against us, you will be destroyed.

You, my dear, are obviously against us. Your time is coming. Get your personal affairs in order.

[HollyBaere]

You're either with us or against us. If you are against us, you will be destroyed.

You, my dear, are obviously against us. Your time is coming. Get your personal affairs in order.


Is that a threat?? Are you threatening me??

That's exactly how it started in Germany!! Remember the Holocaust that the Jews are always whining about?? So, now is it The Bush Reich?? Only those who agree with "the Fuerer" get to be free?? I'm not the Nazi....it's YOU!!

What Gestapo is paying you to threaten me and other Americans, who for the moment, still have "freedom of Speech"?? Oh I see, we are only free if we "go along"??

Your ilk is still the minority!! And the fact that most Americans are either still sleeping or too afraid to speak doesn't give your kind any power at all!!

Do you hear that??

It's the sound of our American Fore- Father's spinning in their graves!!

[WCP]

Is that a threat?? Are you threatening me??

You take it for what it is. Some evening while you're berating the government or giving sympathy to foreign terrorists and there is a knock on your door, don't be too surprised if you're taken away in the night with a hood over your head, your arms cuffed behind your back, and someone gives you a whack or two up side of your head just for fun on the way to some place from which you will never return.

Certainly you have freedom of speech. You don't have freedom to say anything you want when it comes to inciting violence to overthrow this country.

We used to execute traitors. It will be so again.

Keep up the good work. You are being watched.

[HollyBaere]

You take it for what it is. Some evening while you're berating the government or giving sympathy to foreign terrorists and there is a knock on your door, don't be too surprised if you're taken away in the night with a hood over your head, your arms cuffed behind your back, and someone gives you a whack or two up side of your head just for fun on the way to some place from which you will never return.

Certainly you have freedom of speech. You don't have freedom to say anything you want when it comes to inciting violence to overthrow this country.

We used to execute traitors. It will be so again.

Keep up the good work. You are being watched.


REALLY??

I am truly considering to report this THREAT you have made to me to the FBI!!

Who's inciting violence?? It's YOU that promotes war and hatred against countires and people that were NEVER a threat to this nation!!

It's YOU Zionist war-monagers that think that they can incite violence and thinks it can take over the WORLD!! In your sick and twisted little brain you think you can get the world to cow-tow and bend to your evil. You are being used and duped and are either too stupid or idiotic to even see it!!

I do NOT give sympathy to terrorists!! I do, give sympathy to the innocent's that your Fourth Riech steam-roller thinks it can bulldoze under the dirt, anyone that doesn't agree! It's the actions of YOUR kind that give the terrorist all the more reason to attack!

I am being watched?? So are YOU!!

[katsrdelicious]

I am truly considering to report this THREAT you have made to me to the FBI!!


Tomorrows Monday. I'm sure they'll just be sitting around looking for things to do. Give'em a call. It's time they earn their keep.

[WCP]

REALLY??

I am truly considering to report this THREAT you have made to me to the FBI!!



I DARE you to bring more attention to yourself than there already is in reporting me to the FBI!!

+ !!!!!!

In fact, I'm begging you to report me to the FBI. I'm on my knees pleading that you contact the FBI and bring them into this forum so they can read your shit.

Triple-fucking-dog-dare you, you ignorant bitch.

[WCP]

Here, Holly.

Contact Numbers For The F.B.I. (http://www.fbi.gov/contact/fo/fo.htm)

Please!!!

[WCP]

"Remarks made toward the president in an antagonistic way are checked out by the Secret Service. That's always been the case," says Jill Spillman, an FBI agent detailed to the Justice Department. "The FBI checks out [possible] domestic terrorism." She says the people visited are under no obligation to answer questions and are not necessarily viewed as suspects.

But Attorney General John Ashcroft's post-September policy is that each tip be looked into. While not every tip leads to a face-to-face visit, surprise encounters with federal agents are leaving some Americans feeling their privacy has been violated - and that their speech has made them targets of official scrutiny.

For example, A.J. Brown, a student at Durham Technical Community College in North Carolina, faced 40 minutes of grilling by two Secret Service agents and a Raleigh police officer in her doorway (she wouldn't let them come in, and they had no search warrant). By her account, they said they were investigating a tip that she had "un-American material" in her apartment. From the doorway, they took particular note of a poster of George W. Bush holding a noose. It read: "We hang on your every word," referring to his unflinching support of the death penalty as governor of Texas.



http://csmonitor.com/2002/0108/p1s4-usju.html

It's just a matter of time, Holly. You're on the list. Sooner or later, they will come into your home with or without a search warrant, find anti-American materials and whisk you away to a re-education camp...which is where you belong.

God Bless America.

[Conservinator]

Hollybeast:


I am truly considering to report this THREAT you have made to me to the FBI!!

Oh really? This is coming from a person that implied the Presdent would soon be assassinated?

Perhaps the U.S. Secret Service needs to pay a visit to YOU, maybe?

[Conservinator]

Hollybeast:

Remember the Holocaust that the Jews are always whining about??

...and there it is right there. Hollybeast shows her true colors when she gets upset. The Jews are "whining" about the Holocaust. This is coming from the same person that claimed she didn't say the Holocaust was faked.

[HollyBaere]

http://csmonitor.com/2002/0108/p1s4-usju.html

It's just a matter of time, Holly. You're on the list. Sooner or later, they will come into your home with or without a search warrant, find anti-American materials and whisk you away to a re-education camp...which is where you belong.

God Bless America.


But, you forgot to include:

"All of this speaks to the new McCarthyism, where political dissent is being equaled to treason," Mr. Steinhardt says. "It's a very frightening trend: that people are doing nothing more than expressing the very freedoms that we are fighting to preserve - and find themselves with the FBI at their door."


Don't think your Zion-Nazi scare tactics are going to have an effect on real peace-loving Americans like me, Badnews!!

GOD SAVE AMERICA!!

[HollyBaere]

Hollybeast:

...and there it is right there. Hollybeast shows her true colors when she gets upset. The Jews are "whining" about the Holocaust. This is coming from the same person that claimed she didn't say the Holocaust was faked.


Look here Numb-Nutz!!

When and where did I say that Bush would soon be assasinated?? SHOW ME, NOW!!

Who in their right mind would do such thing?? Then we would have Cheney for president!!

As to the Jews whining about the Holocaust.......Who else would??

FWY: I NEVER said the Holocaust was faked!!

[Conservinator]

YES YOU DID SAY THE HOLOCAUST WAS FAKED. YOU SAID IT OVER AT PASSING THOUGHT.

As far as Bush being assassinated...you made that hint a little ways back in one of your posts. It looks like I'm not the only one who has noticed it...I don't need to dredge it up again.

[HollyBaere]

YES YOU DID SAY THE HOLOCAUST WAS FAKED. YOU SAID IT OVER AT PASSING THOUGHT.

PROVE IT THEN!! I NEVER SAID THE HOLOCAUST WAS FAKED!!

As far as Bush being assassinated...you made that hint a little ways back in one of your posts. It looks like I'm not the only one who has noticed it...I don't need to dredge it up again.


NO Connie, I didn't!! You only ASSUMED that's what I was "hinting to". YOU ASSUMED WRONG!! As usual!!

It's always so amazing how you seem to read so much into what I say.

[Whiskey4bfast]

I am truly considering to report this THREAT you have made to me to the FBI!!

I think BN operates at a level above where the FBI will go. Or the SS (not Schutzstaffel).

You might want to try the Mayberry PD. (Gomer="Citizen's Arrest" ~episode#392)

[LanceALott]

I think BN operates at a level above where the FBI will go. Or the SS (not Schutzstaffel).

You might want to try the Mayberry PD. (Gomer="Citizen's Arrest" ~episode#392)


Badnews has great powers.

He can fart and wipe out a whole trailer court. -- Gass attack!

[the bib]

Actually, no I am not! If Israel cna exsist, so too should Palestine. And it should have right from the very begining!

Although you still fail to mention that, Palestine never exsisted as a country because Israel would NOT let it!!(How convienient!) And still won't let it to this very day!!




Because it's NOT a country. ;)

And FTR, Israel is not the ME country who "doesn't let it" exist, Israel has been prepared to give it autonomy since 1992 when they agreed to over 90% of Arafat's demands.

What YOU don;t understand is that the Palestinian unrest is as much political grist for the rest of the Arab world as it was for Arafat. There's HUGEpolitical and financial reward for keeping the "Palestinian' status quo, keeping the masses distracted with hate of Israel and the west so the dopes never notice how the Arab ME is picking their pockets and keeping them oppressed.

HOW DO YOU explain Arafat's billions, my dear? ::)

HOW DO YOU explain the terrorist war chest, my dear?

[Conservinator]

YES YOU DID SAY THE HOLOCAUST WAS FAKED. YOU SAID IT OVER AT PASSING THOUGHT.

PROVE IT THEN!! I NEVER SAID THE HOLOCAUST WAS FAKED!!

Quote from: The Conservinator on Yesterday at 11:14:39 PM
As far as Bush being assassinated...you made that hint a little ways back in one of your posts. It looks like I'm not the only one who has noticed it...I don't need to dredge it up again.

NO Connie, I didn't!! You only ASSUMED that's what I was "hinting to". YOU ASSUMED WRONG!! As usual!!

It's always so amazing how you seem to read so much into what I say.

You know that Passing Thought doesn't exist anymore, so how am I going to pull up the posts? But you know what I read over there, don't you?

Why don't you tell everyone what you did say over there? You keep avoiding that...why?

No, I didn't assume anything wrong...I know you. I don't have to read anything into what you are saying.

[HollyBaere]

You know that Passing Thought doesn't exist anymore, so how am I going to pull up the posts? But you know what I read over there, don't you?

Why don't you tell everyone what you did say over there? You keep avoiding that...why?

No, I didn't assume anything wrong...I know you. I don't have to read anything into what you are saying.


Other than your stupid little whiney-assed say-so, YOU can't prove what I did or didn't say, Connie!!

All I know, is that whenever I try to contradict you, you turn around what I say to mean something it didn't!!

I am NOT going to waste my time, so I can get slandered by you once again!!

You can't prove anything, so why do YOU kepp bringing it up??

[katsrdelicious]

I am NOT going to waste my time, so I can get slandered by you once again!!


I'm having a hard time imagining you ever putting your time to good use. No offense intended.

[MidnightRider]

Badnews has great powers.

He can fart and wipe out a whole trailer court. -- Gass attack!
ROTFLMMFAO!

[Conservinator]

Holllybeast:

You can't prove anything, so why do YOU kepp bringing it up??

Because you'll eventually make a mistake in here which will prove my point. You can't help yourself. The more you run your mouth, the more chances there are to insert your foot into it.

[SamHill]

YOU can't prove what I did or didn't say, Connie!!
<snip>
You can't prove anything, so why do YOU kepp bringing it up??


This is known as the "Bart Simpson triple play defense:" "I didn't do it. Nobody saw me, and You can't prove it." ;D

It is only used when people are dead guilty, and think they have gotten away with something.

[HollyBaere]

This is known as the "Bart Simpson triple play defense:" "I didn't do it. Nobody saw me, and You can't prove it." ;D

It is only used when people are dead guilty, and think they have gotten away with something.


Who rattled your cage?? I wasn't talking to you!!

Connie knows EXACLTY what I said. Since Passing Thought is gone, I can't prove anything and neither can he.

So now, no matter what I say, he will say that wasn't it.

GOT IT NOW??

[Conservinator]

Connie knows EXACLTY what I said. Since Passing Thought is gone, I can't prove anything and neither can he.

So now, no matter what I say, he will say that wasn't it.

GOT IT NOW??

Yes, I know exactly what you said at PT, and I don't fabricate anything. Unfortunately for you, some of my conversations with you and others over there were saved...I kept them saved on my hard drive. I have shared them with some of my friends as extreme examples of liberal idiocy.

You just have to guess which conversations were saved...and which were not. Rest assured that some may come back to haunt you at a later time. I caught you in a number of lies over at PT, and I'll catch you in some here, too.