View Full Version : Opining and pithy - marines, fallujah and the war on terror
the bib
11-16-2004, 06:48 PM
Marines have 3 jobs:
Stay alive, protect your buddies and kill the enemy. If you don't want to die, stay out of their way.
This is Viet Nam revisited and the SAME reason that
Great Britain lost the colonies. The American Revolutionaries went gorilla, the English prosecuted a "civilized" war.
There IS NO such thing as a civilized war and the "high" road
is the one that leads to victory.
No country? No flag? No uniform? ... NO GENEVA
CONVENTION PROTECTION.
This is my rifle. There are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my rifle is useless. Without my rifle I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy, who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will. Before God I swear this creed: my rifle and myself are defenders of my country, we are the masters of my enemy, we are the saviors of my life. So be it, until there is no enemy, but peace. Amen.
Unit, Corps, God, country
In THAT order.
Fuck everything else...or die.
the bib
11-16-2004, 07:02 PM
bn
Fuck everything else...or die.
Semper fi.
bn Semper fi.
It really isn't all that difficult, is it?
Ooorah.
You're attacked? Kill them. You're about to be attacked? Kill them. They even think about attacking you? Kill them.
What's the problem?
katsrdelicious
11-16-2004, 07:11 PM
It really isn't all that difficult, is it?
Ooorah.
You're attacked? Kill them. You're about to be attacked? Kill them. They even think about attacking you? Kill them.
What's the problem?
The problem is too many people want a magic pill. Life and reality can be ugly at times and some can't cope with that. I think you know where I'm going with this.
the bib
11-16-2004, 07:24 PM
Arm chair quaterbacks, all. They're the ones who live behind security alarms and 911.
Who was it on another board Sargeant Zimm who said that the cops call 911 "Dial a Prayer."
Bn can can talk. He's been there. Anyone who hasn't served (including ME) has NO RIGHT to second guess much LESS criticize.
You want to bring someone up on charges? Then bring the media ALL of them who disparage our troops and present them in any light less than HERO.
Bn can can talk. He's been there. Anyone who hasn't served (including ME) has NO RIGHT to second guess much LESS criticize.
You want to bring someone up on charges? Then bring the media ALL of them who disparage our troops and present them in any light less than HERO.
I've never "been there," but I can guaranty you, man, woman, child, pets, plants, mineral, if ordered to and instructed to, I would have "been there."
Nazi? Perhaps.
The winners of wars write the history. The losers attempt to redact forever.
ilovelucy
11-16-2004, 08:35 PM
the winners have a way of redacting quite a bit themselves.....
the winners have a way of redacting quite a bit themselves.....
Any complaints and they'll get the other boot up their ass. That's the problem with humans. They can't remember they've had the shit kicked out of them past two generations.
the bib
11-16-2004, 08:52 PM
I've never "been there," but I can guaranty you, man, woman, child, pets, plants, mineral, if ordered to and instructed to, I would have "been there."
Nazi? Perhaps.
The winners of wars write the history. The losers attempt to redact forever.
You wore the uniform and stood ready, willing and able.
That's more than I and more than the ones here with big mouths and no gonads.
They have NO RIGHT to sit in judgement. Even the COnstitution guarantees that each shall only be judged by a jury of HIS PEERS.
The yellow bellied, sniveling, apologist, appeasers HAVE NO right to critique. Let them look themselves in the eye and judge themselves for the cowardly nolifes they are. >:(
My nephew sits in a wheelchair today for his service in Iraq. The socialist disension sickens him. He regrets only not being able to continue serving in battle and remains doing his servie to this country by speaking and trying to educate those like the thickheads here.
HE HAS EARNED the right to be heard. He walked the walk.
the bib
11-16-2004, 08:55 PM
the winners have a way of redacting quite a bit themselves.....
To the victor belongs the spoils.
And yet, please, name one war we've fought that we've brought any goodies home. Instead we've rebuilt former enemies countries.
Japan, all of Europe, even Russia and China now are beneficiaries of our largesse. Dismissing these truths as "redactive" is agriegious, lucy.
Have you ever read the book "The Mouse that Roared?" You should.
ilovelucy
11-16-2004, 09:07 PM
No, I am not saying that certain outcomes are perhaps better than others, and I do believe by and large, the US has been an honorable "victor" in our treatment of those who have lost against us....
I honor your nephew's service, bib and hope he will be okay physically....
We are not perfect. I hope we have a sense of the value of life as well....the individual life, as we have had in the past....
Winners tend to villianize the losers to the extreme sometimes, though....
ilovelucy
11-16-2004, 09:09 PM
ps
It is interesting to me that the US has never fought an open war with China or Russia....they have been our allies, no?
ilovelucy
11-16-2004, 09:10 PM
well, with the exception of the Korean and Vietnamese wars, which were undeclared wars, actually.....Iraq? Well, mostly in an uneasy debate.....
Larry_Oldtimer
11-16-2004, 09:34 PM
ps
It is interesting to me that the US has never fought an open war with China or Russia....they have been our allies, no?
China, the before Mao version was an ally during WWII, and afterwards for a short bit, until it became Red China. Never again. Russia also, as part of the USSR was an ally during WWII, but the USSR was after that a bitter and constant enemy of the US. Red China crossed the Korean border during the Korean War in support of the North Koreans . . . they lost more than 1,000,000 KIA in this venture. That was a pretty open war. So nope, neither has really been an actual ally. In need during wartime, but not friends in need. ;)
the bib
11-17-2004, 02:37 PM
No, I am not saying that certain outcomes are perhaps better than others, and I do believe by and large, the US has been an honorable "victor" in our treatment of those who have lost against us....
I honor your nephew's service, bib and hope he will be okay physically....
We are not perfect. I hope we have a sense of the value of life as well....the individual life, as we have had in the past....
Our guys are losing life and limb in deference to avoiding taking any non-combatant life. That's more than respect and more than should be demanded of our soldiers.
Compare and contrast to the enemies they are rooting out. The ones who hide behind civilians and try to increase the count the Iraqi bodies for propaganda.
I can't believe you have not realized this.
Winners tend to villianize the losers to the extreme sometimes, though....
Ok. I'll bite. Show me the humanity of our enemy, how they are not villians. ;)
the bib
11-17-2004, 02:48 PM
China, the before Mao version was an ally during WWII, and afterwards for a short bit, until it became Red China. Never again. Russia also, as part of the USSR was an ally during WWII, but the USSR was after that a bitter and constant enemy of the US. Red China crossed the Korean border during the Korean War in support of the North Koreans . . . they lost more than 1,000,000 KIA in this venture. That was a pretty open war. So nope, neither has really been an actual ally. In need during wartime, but not friends in need. ;)
Prior to Hilter's invasion of Russia, the Molotov Pact ensured Russia would stay out of any war with Germany, IOW, not join the rest of Europe's war against Germany.
Circumstances dictated our alliance with Russia. We were not attacked nor did we enter the war until December 8th, 1941. By that time Germany had broken the non-aggression pact w/Russia during spring/summer 1941.
Had Germany not broken that pact, their Russian alliance would have been intact.
By virtue of that pact, Russia would probably not have joined the war on either side, but like a vulture, waited to see which died and which it could make a meal over.
But because of that pact, the USA would not have allied with Russia, more probably would have considered it a political if not a military enemy.
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