Margaret Hassan Offed

[WCP]

Allahu Akbar!!

Fuckers.

[Bassman]

Educate me,O Wise Oracle....who da fuck is Margaret Hassan???

[Persephone]

Educate me,O Wise Oracle....who da fuck is Margaret Hassan???


The kidnapped Iraqi humanitarian aid worker.

[WCP]

Hassan, the director of CARE international in Iraq, was abducted in Baghdad on Oct. 19. Her captors later issued videos showing her pleading for Britain to withdraw its troops from Iraq and calling for the release of female Iraqi prisoners.

On Nov. 2, Al-Jazeera television reported her abductors had threatened to turn her over to followers of Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

Al-Zarqawi and his men have been blamed for numerous deadly car bombings and the slayings of foreign hostages. More than 170 foreigners have been kidnapped in Iraq this year; more than 30 of them have been slain.

Hassan lived in Iraq for 30 years and married an Iraqi. She was a citizen of Britain, Ireland and Iraq.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-11-16-iraq-hostage_x.htm

[Bassman]

OK.Now I remember.
Fucking savages.She spent thirty fucking years helping Iraqis.
And what will the leftie-media response be?
Bush's fault.

[WCP]

And what will the leftie-media response be?
Bush's fault.


I think they're finally getting it. They're pretending to be horrified with the brutality of it all!! :o

[Annie04]

Poor woman. What a terrible way to die, at the hands of those terrorists. The good work she did actualy made her a target. The terrorist felt they would get what they wanted to save her, she gave her life so others maybe won't be kiddnapped. Once these terrorist realize we or other Countries won't give in to such threats. How many do they have to kill to realize it's not working? They are just killing to spread fear from that far away? I sure won't step foot anywhere near that country...maybe it's working in that sense.

[Larry_Oldtimer]

Poor woman. What a terrible way to die, at the hands of those terrorists. The good work she did actualy made her a target. The terrorist felt they would get what they wanted to save her, she gave her life so others maybe won't be kiddnapped. Once these terrorist realize we or other Countries won't give in to such threats. How many do they have to kill to realize it's not working? They are just killing to spread fear from that far away? I sure won't step foot anywhere near that country...maybe it's working in that sense.


The only answer is to kill the likes of those who murdered her. Every one of them and all who follow them or support them, civilians included. Nothing else will work with these demented monsters. >:(

[Unca Walt]

reisei:

You are DODGING AND HIDING FROM ME.

Tell me about your freedom fighters.

Unca Walt

[reisei]

reisei:

You are DODGING AND HIDING FROM ME.

Tell me about your freedom fighters.

Unca Walt


Hey Unca!
When did you start lying without hesitation? Is it something you"ve engaged in since childhood? Or something you come by recently... perhaps a weakening of your own moral code as you age?

Oh, silly me.... why am I asking questions of a known liar? What possible reliable information could be gained from such a person?

PS: If you want, in the future, to address me about a post like this, it might be wise to give me a heads up. You can do it either through IM or by mentioning it to me in another thread in which we both are already participating.
Addressing me in a post I had not yet visited and therein accusing me of hiding from you might be construed as dishonesty on your part.

Oh.... wait a minute.... I forgot.... you're a known liar. Why would you be the least concerned about people thinking you dishonest?
Silly me.
Please, do carry on...

[ilovelucy]

Boy, did they dial the wrong number....

Damn

[Sparky26]

Any illusions left about the :peaceful" "gentle" religion called Islam?

*echoing silence*

I thought not.

[ilovelucy]

In the end it didn't matter what she did or cared about....she cared about PEOPLE/

duh?

Kill her/

She is the face of the enemy.....she is not one of us. She is a foreigner. She speaks our language, but who cares. She tends to our ill. our old people. our children. But, she is not the face of ISLAM. who cares. She wants to help us. She has given her time, her life, all her energies to OUR PEOPLE...but, who cares. SHE IS NOT THE FACE OF ALLAH> She is not Islam. She is not one of us. She is a foreigner and she should be a good catch for the Westerners. If we kill her, they will listen. If we kill her, they will repent and leave us be.

Damn it all anyway.

Prayers for Mrs. Hassan and I hope she really wasn't killed/

[arod]

How many do they have to kill to realize it's not working?

I'm sure if you think about that question, you'll realize it makes no sense. The more they kill without penalty, the further they are from realizing it's "not working".

[ilovelucy]

It doesn't make sense at all....none of what is happening makes sense to me, these days.

[Unca Walt]

Hey Unca!
When did you start lying without hesitation? Is it something you"ve engaged in since childhood? Or something you come by recently... perhaps a weakening of your own moral code as you age?

Oh, silly me.... why am I asking questions of a known liar? What possible reliable information could be gained from such a person?

PS: If you want, in the future, to address me about a post like this, it might be wise to give me a heads up. You can do it either through IM or by mentioning it to me in another thread in which we both are already participating.
Addressing me in a post I had not yet visited and therein accusing me of hiding from you might be construed as dishonesty on your part.

Oh.... wait a minute.... I forgot.... you're a known liar. Why would you be the least concerned about people thinking you dishonest?
Silly me.
Please, do carry on...


(*snicker*)

Can I take this to mean you do NOT consider them "freedom fighters" or "insurgents", and that I am a liar if the quote of yours I posted indicates so?

Very well, I accept that you do NOT consider them "insurgents". You DO consider those who cut off the heads of helpless ladies to be terrorists.

This is a good, thing, reisei, that we have this agreement, no matter what went on before.

Unca Walt, Still Old And Cuddly ;D :-* :-*

[ilovelucy]

Is Hassan really dead????

This upsets me so much. She gave so much to the betterment of Iraq and to come to this.....Damn it all anyway.

[Whiskey4bfast]

Is Hassan really dead????

This upsets me so much. She gave so much to the betterment of Iraq and to come to this.....Damn it all anyway.
<refer to AC-130 vid>

"do not engage the mosque"

These people are dipshits. Why are you surprised? Watch some beheading vids. Then you'll "get it"....

[WCP]

Is Hassan really dead????

This upsets me so much. She gave so much to the betterment of Iraq and to come to this.....Damn it all anyway.


Yep. They even filmed her execution. <pop> to the head and sent it to Al Jazeera in case anyone wanted to watch their handiwork. Then they dumped her corpse like a bag of potatoes.

Nice people, huh? That's what you get for trying to help your own people.

[ilovelucy]

they are idiots/

[WCP]

they are idiots/


Oh, you can do better than that, lucy.

Repeat after me...

Kill the mother fuckers!

[ilovelucy]

Oh, you can do better than that, lucy.

Repeat after me...

Kill the mother fuckers!


You would pee if I actually posted something like that.

[ilovelucy]

Okay, get the perps, but I am not going to say KILL 500 INNOCENTS for the death of Hassan, and that is not what she would have wanted either....

Bless her lovely heart.....

[LanceALott]

She is the face of the enemy.....she is not one of us. She is a foreigner. She speaks our language, but who cares. She tends to our ill. our old people. our children. But, she is not the face of ISLAM. who cares. She wants to help us. She has given her time, her life, all her energies to OUR PEOPLE...but, who cares. SHE IS NOT THE FACE OF ALLAH> She is not Islam. She is not one of us. She is a foreigner and she should be a good catch for the Westerners. If we kill her, they will listen. If we kill her, they will repent and leave us be.


Now, go read some of Badnews' posts, and about 90% of the other posters as well who want to nuke them and kill them all, the good, the bad, and the ugly;

And then you have a chance to see we "good christians" really are no different than they.

In an US/THEM world, there are no good guys. -- What those fuckers did to this nice lady is ugly indeed; but when our own hands are not clean, when we have in fact killed their babies from 30,000 feet, to hurt them enough to make them quit fighting, somehow, our white hats seem as dirty as their "evil" hands.


Until we see all of humanity as just us, not us/them..., there is no solution to this kind of insanity. -- "Love thy enemy as thyself."

[Unca Walt]

(*snicker*) KerryALott's on "blocked".

But I bet he defended the terrorists.

Unca Walt

[Giancarlo]

LaL, that's all wrong as usual.

Iraqis are fuming mad...

Iraqi Reaction (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&ncid=564&e=2&u=/nm/20041117/ts_nm/iraq_hassan_reaction_dc)

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraqis reacted with anger and disbelief Wednesday to news that British-Iraqi aid worker Margaret Hassan, who worked in Iraq (news - web sites) for decades before being kidnapped a month ago, had been killed by her captors.

Irish-born Hassan, 59, moved to Iraq more than 30 years ago after marrying an Iraqi engineer. She learned Arabic and became a pillar of support in local communities, often helping the needy in the face of opposition during Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s regime.

Those who knew her, worked with her or were helped by her described Hassan as a formidable woman who went about her work with determination. She helped the disabled, the orphaned and those without water or sanitation calmly and efficiently.

One of the hospitals she regularly supported was a spinal cord clinic in Baghdad run by Qayder al-Chalabi, who said her loss was a huge blow to all Iraqis.

The killers "made a very big mistake. This was the wrong person," he told Reuters Wednesday.

"I cannot imagine that these things could happen to her because she was a very humanitarian person. She felt our suffering, she understood the suffering of the Iraqi people.

"We need to admire and remember her. We must have a ceremony every year to remember her," he said, adding that he believed a statue should be erected in her honor.

Hassan was kidnapped Oct. 19 as she was being driven to work in Baghdad, where she was the director of the local operation of aid organization Care International.

A video released to Arabic news channel Al Jazeera showed a hooded figure shooting a blindfolded woman in the head.

Hassan's husband and British foreign office officials have said they believe the video tape is "probably genuine" and her family has said they believe Margaret Hassan is dead.

[ilovelucy]

I am going to have to agree to LAL's post.

We cannot expect to kill the Iraqis like we are doing without payback....

[ilovelucy]

Margaret Hassan would have hated this.....even though she died in the process.

So sad/.

[Giancarlo]

How can you agree with such a moron? Most Iraqis liked Hassan and saw her connecting with them very well. My article mentioned some Iraqis talking about how they killed the wrong person. Payback? Moron, most of the people doing murder are foreign fighters.

[ilovelucy]

At some point or another,if we are to help Iraq, we will have to show good will....

[Giancarlo]

At some point or another,if we are to help Iraq, we will have to show good will....


Holy shit, we aren't showing good will? WE AREN'T SHOWING GOOD WILL? What about all the hospitals and schools we rebuilt? What do you want for good will? Needless to say on this point you have been deluded.

[ilovelucy]

whatever/

[Unca Walt]

At some point or another,if we are to help Iraq, we will have to show good will....


That sentiment would have been ridiculous in 1942 regarding Germany.

That sentiment IS ridiculous in 2004.

You have a kind heart, lucy, but... for the love of Christ, WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK THE SACRIFICES MADE BY OUR FUCKING GI'S IS???

WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK BUILDING SCHOOLS, HOSPITALS, CLEAN WATER SOURCES FOR THE AVERAGE IRAQI IS???

WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK STOPPING THE DAILY MASS-GRAVE FILLINGS IS?

WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK CLOSING THE CHILDRENS' PRISONS, RAPE ROOMS, RED ROOMS, SHREDDERS IS???

WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK SETTING UP A FREE IRAQI GOVERNMENT WITH ELECTIONS SCHEDULED WITHIN THE NEXT TWO MONTHS IS?

...IF ALL THE ABOVE DOES NOT "SHOW GOOD WILL"...

WHAT THE FUCK WOULD??????????????????

Jayzus.

Unca Walt

[Unca Walt]

...and don't give me "whatever".

[ilovelucy]

Good questions.

I do hope and pray the good we are doing in Iraq outweighs the carnage...

You are right though, WTF.

[Giancarlo]

Why don't you respond to my post, lucy? Why do you have to say whatever when I point out the good will we are doing in Iraq?

[reisei]

Very well, I accept that you do NOT consider them "insurgents". You DO consider those who cut off the heads of helpless ladies to be terrorists.

This is a good, thing, reisei, that we have this agreement, no matter what went on before.

Unca Walt, Still Old And Cuddly ;D :-* :-*

Is this an admission you were wrong? Really hard to tell.
I think an apology from you would be appropriate about now.
Waiting...

[WCP]

Why don't you respond to my post, lucy? Why do you have to say whatever when I point out the good will we are doing in Iraq?


Because you're rude, arrogant, demeaning and queer.

Well, I just threw in the queer as a bonus. ;D

[ilovelucy]

Why don't you respond to my post, lucy? Why do you have to say whatever when I point out the good will we are doing in Iraq?



Sorry.

Yes, from what I have read and from what people say, we are doing much good for Iraq. But, we are also bombing civilians in a way I have questions about....

[ilovelucy]

Give giancarlo some room to grow....

[Observer]

Give giancarlo some room to grow....


Into what?

[WCP]

Sorry.

Yes, from what I have read and from what people say, we are doing much good for Iraq. But, we are also bombing civilians in a way I have questions about....


Not a single verified civilian casualty has occured in Iraq. 8)

[ilovelucy]

Into what?


Honey, he's a Republican Spaniard...I wouldn't diss him if I were you.

[Larry_Oldtimer]

Sorry.

Yes, from what I have read and from what people say, we are doing much good for Iraq. But, we are also bombing civilians in a way I have questions about....


Lucy, get a clue. The terrorists we are fighting don't wear uniforms like we do. They dress in civilian clothing when they aren't dressing in the same uniforms that the legimate Iraqi National Guard folks do. They may dress and look like civilians when they aren't shooting at our troops, or blowing up people, or beheading or just plain shooting hostages . . . but they damn well aren't "civilians" in any sense of the word. ::)

[Observer]

Honey, he's a Republican Spaniard...I wouldn't diss him if I were you.


I actually like Giancarlo. I think he's as messed up as a soup sandwich, but he's basically a decent kid. If he could get away from the constant name calling and gratuitous profanity, and be a little less on the defensive side, he could contribute a lot more than he does.

Right now, a lot of people just tune him out... not because of what he has to say, but because of the way he says it.

[ilovelucy]

okay, those of terroist bent are awful, huh,,,,,,,

But, there are the civilians......god, I really hate it when terroristsuse civilians......

[lgllady]

I have known a number of killers in my time. Some of them serial killers, some have been executed already and some are awaiting execution on death row.

In my opinion, after personally knowing killers, Al Zarqawi and his "gang" LONG AGO kidnapped and killed because they wanted to exert political pressure. They now do it because they like it. It has become the addiction, as it NORMALLY does with serial killers.

Here is an indication that there has been a fundamental change in the motivation of the terrorists. They started out exhibiting their prowess by killing men. Their victims have been getting progressively weaker and more vulnerable. This is the progression with killers. Prowess is meaningless, political pressure is a formality. It's the fear in their victims that they want. They get more fear with more vulnerable victims.

And they film it. They filmed it at first to make a statement. To make a demand. The demands - though never having been met - have increased with making more ridiculous demands. Demands that they know will never be met. This is the excuse, the justification for killing.

Zarqawi and his murderous gang no longer care who they kill. They'll kill 50 or more Iraqis (not their countrymen) at a crack. To make a statement, or just to enjoy the act?

Our forces have to end this serial killer's madness. He cannot, nor can any of his gang members be allowed to live.

[Flyrod]

I have known a number of killers in my time. Some of them serial killers, some have been executed already and some are awaiting execution on death row.

In my opinion, after personally knowing killers, Al Zarqawi and his "gang" LONG AGO kidnapped and killed because they wanted to exert political pressure. They now do it because they like it. It has become the addiction, as it NORMALLY does with serial killers.

Here is an indication that there has been a fundamental change in the motivation of the terrorists. They started out exhibiting their prowess by killing men. Their victims have been getting progressively weaker and more vulnerable. This is the progression with killers. Prowess is meaningless, political pressure is a formality. It's the fear in their victims that they want. They get more fear with more vulnerable victims.

And they film it. They filmed it at first to make a statement. To make a demand. The demands - though never having been met - have increased with making more ridiculous demands. Demands that they know will never be met. This is the excuse, the justification for killing.

Zarqawi and his murderous gang no longer care who they kill. They'll kill 50 or more Iraqis (not their countrymen) at a crack. To make a statement, or just to enjoy the act?

Our forces have to end this serial killer's madness. He cannot, nor can any of his gang members be allowed to live.




I agree; terrorists are a bunch of nut cases! They attack, blow up the infructure, ambush our troops, hide behind women and children, in houses, in mosques, prey on the inocent, kidnap the inocent, execute the inocent, doing this while not wearing uniforms, while being cheered on by the leftist, the mainstream media, French, Germans, and Russians, for some strange and curious reasons. The Constitution speaks about enemies, foreign and domestic, so maybe there are some internment camps that should be used. Criticism of the war by Americans, etc. is the aid that terrorists are seeking!! It's akin to playing a football game and your own fans cheering for the opponent!! Execution of babies by the terrorists, are probably next!! Meanwhile these idiot cheerleaders think that with a language barrier, terrorists wearing civilian clothes, hiding behind women /children, houses and mosques; ZERO civilians should be killed. Given these circumstances, if I was in the army there now, I would have my finger on the trigger at all times!! ;)
It's either an addiction or they're brainwashed!! Same thing goes for the leftists, the mainstream media, etc.....

[Giancarlo]

Because you're rude, arrogant, demeaning and queer.

Well, I just threw in the queer as a bonus. ;D


I didn't know you were lucy. Is she your alternate personality?

[Giancarlo]

I actually like Giancarlo. I think he's as messed up as a soup sandwich, but he's basically a decent kid. If he could get away from the constant name calling and gratuitous profanity, and be a little less on the defensive side, he could contribute a lot more than he does.

Right now, a lot of people just tune him out... not because of what he has to say, but because of the way he says it.


I don't like you observer. Now you can stop misstating how I am. I'm messed up? Why is that? Because I'm gay? Because you are homophobic and dumb? Or because you just hate me as a person? Personally I think you should back off because when you try to compliment someone, you end up insulting them.

[Sparky26]

Now, go read some of Badnews' posts, and about 90% of the other posters as well who want to nuke them and kill them all, the good, the bad, and the ugly;

And then you have a chance to see we "good christians" really are no different than they.

In an US/THEM world, there are no good guys. -- What those fuckers did to this nice lady is ugly indeed; but when our own hands are not clean, when we have in fact killed their babies from 30,000 feet, to hurt them enough to make them quit fighting, somehow, our white hats seem as dirty as their "evil" hands.


Until we see all of humanity as just us, not us/them..., there is no solution to this kind of insanity. -- "Love thy enemy as thyself."


LAL, that's all fine and good, but the other side, yeah, they're not too keen on the "Love thy Neighbor" stuff. They're into the "Kill everyone for Allah" and the "Infidels must die" Kick. :)

As I'm sure many people have tried to say before,

ISLAM IS NOT A PEACEFUL RELIGION. :) Try reading the koran. :)

[Giancarlo]

You are gay? No shit! I had no clue. Wow I am learning something new every day! Giancarlo we know too much about you....the hetero's around here dont tell half the personal shit you tell. Ease up bud. ::)


So telling you I'm gay is telling you a lot of personal shit? That's very funny. One word tells you all that? I don't think so.

[Unca Walt]

Good questions.

I do hope and pray the good we are doing in Iraq outweighs the carnage...

You are right though, WTF.


(*snicker*)

You are, without doubt, the kindest, sweetest person.

nem. con.

Unca Walt :-* :-*

[Unca Walt]

Is this an admission you were wrong? Really hard to tell.
I think an apology from you would be appropriate about now.
Waiting...


HUH?????

Are we fighting terrorists in Iraq?

Are the SAME people who are fighting in Fallujah the ones who cut the heads off of innocents?

To quote you AGAIN:

"STATEMENT A: "I say that those who are fighting us in Iraq are terrorists."

STATEMENT B: "BY YOUR OWN DEFINITION, you will admit we are fighting terrorists in Iraq."

"I would be inclined to disagree with your Statement A, and inclined to agree with your Statement B."

reisei... *IF* you are {to quote you EXACTLY... AGAIN} "inclined to disagree" [that those fighting us in Iraq are terrorists]...

...that, LOGICALLY leads one to the conclusion that those people our GI's were fighting there in Fallujah... upon defeating them... and discovering the HUMAN SLAUGHTERHOUSES, observing the murdered and mutilated and decapitated woman, finding the CD's, finding the ACTUAL "stage" where the murders were done...

...all IN THE SAME PLACE THE IRAQIS WERE DEFENDING...

...LOGICALLY, one must conclude that you do not consider them terrorists.

There is NO lie there.

There is NO exaggeration there.

There is the stone, cold FACT that those who the US Marines defeated were, in fact, TERRORISTS. No matter what YOU want to define them as.

Now, how the hell you can say I lie about this cold fact, how you can rationally expect ME to apolgize to YOU for your purblind defense of your "insurgents" is psychotic.

Dead, mutilated, decapitated woman, film stage, CD's... IN THE PLACE DEFENDED BY YOUR "insurgents".

Are you saying they were somehow... UNinvolved? Really?

Unca Walt

[reisei]

There is NO lie there.

There is NO exaggeration there....

Now, how the hell you can say I lie about this cold fact, how you can rationally expect ME to apolgize to YOU for your purblind defense of your "insurgents" is psychotic.

Back-sliding again. This gets tiresome.

"Those who are fighting us in Iraq are terrorists."

This means that everyone fighting against us in Iraq is a terrorist. I disagree. This does not mean that I do not think there are any terrorists in Iraq. There are obviously considerable numbers of them, including the people who cut the heads off of innocents.

If you were less intelligent I'd cut you some slack. If you didn't know your way around a phrasing I'd do the same.
You're not unintelligent, though. Far from it. And you're extremely gifted with words.

So the inescapable conclusion is that you lie.
You may be cute and cuddly at times. But you lie. That's something I can't really abide by.

[ModusPonens]

Back-sliding again. This gets tiresome.

"Those who are fighting us in Iraq are terrorists."

This means that everyone fighting against us in Iraq is a terrorist. I disagree. This does not mean that I do not think there are any terrorists in Iraq. There are obviously considerable numbers of them, including the people who cut the heads off of innocents.

If you were less intelligent I'd cut you some slack. If you didn't know your way around a phrasing I'd do the same.
You're not unintelligent, though. Far from it. And you're extremely gifted with words.

So the inescapable conclusion is that you lie.
You may be cute and cuddly at times. But you lie. That's something I can't really abide by.


Get a new schtick, dingy chick.

Walt has deconstructed your argument to an absurdity, and you call him a liar for exposing your vapid "argument", such as it is?

Have you run out of Halidol? My sister is a pharmacist - I can get you more if you want some.

[Observer]

I don't like you observer. Now you can stop misstating how I am. I'm messed up? Why is that? Because I'm gay? Because you are homophobic and dumb? Or because you just hate me as a person? Personally I think you should back off because when you try to compliment someone, you end up insulting them.


Giancarlo, you just proved my point. You are a soup sandwich. It was not my intent to compliment you. It was not my intent to insult you. It WAS my intent to convey my impression of you.

Nobody here except you really cares at all about your sexual preference (except maybe IRI, and he has some serious problems of his own).You use your homosexuality as an excuse. If someone doesn't like you, it's because you are homosexual. If someone disagrees with you, it is because you are homosexual. If someone thinks your hair looks stupid in the pictures you post, it is because you are homosexual...

New flash for you... that's not it. People get annoyed at you because you've got a gutter mouth. They get annoyed at you because you personally attack anyone who disagrees with. They get annoyed with you because you are smart enough to contribute something to the discussions here, but you are too juvenile and undsciplined to actually do it.

Grow up.

[Giancarlo]

You mention it every day like a kid who mentions what he got for Christmas. I have a lot of gay friends and trust me they don't insert their sexual orientation constantly. I work in the beauty business and have gay employees. I could care less if you are gay, straight, bi, tri, whatever. What is it with you? You dont hear Badz talking about how he likes to have his dogs watch do you? OPPPPS was that supposed to be a secret? Sorry Bads ;D


Okay here is the problem with this post. I'm not the one constantly bringing it up (sorry but you're wrong). Nothing wrong with being wrong.. you just have to admit it sometimes. You can be stupid about it and continue on your delusions, or you could be a man and admit you were wrong.

[Giancarlo]

Giancarlo, you just proved my point. You are a soup sandwich. It was not my intent to compliment you. It was not my intent to insult you. It WAS my intent to convey my impression of you.

And here are more problems with this post... you are the soup sandwich (royally fucked up, honestly). I don't get where you are coming from and how you can accuse me of these things. Therefore I must conclude it is only you that has problems.

Nobody here except you really cares at all about your sexual preference (except maybe IRI, and he has some serious problems of his own).You use your homosexuality as an excuse. If someone doesn't like you, it's because you are homosexual. If someone disagrees with you, it is because you are homosexual. If someone thinks your hair looks stupid in the pictures you post, it is because you are homosexual...

I don't really care what people think. It is their own issue. For the most part when people gang up on me in this forum, it most likely has to do with the gay issue. But you know what... the primary problem I have with people here is their own delusions. You can say something, but just by saying it doesn't make it true.

New flash for you... that's not it. People get annoyed at you because you've got a gutter mouth. They get annoyed at you because you personally attack anyone who disagrees with. They get annoyed with you because you are smart enough to contribute something to the discussions here, but you are too juvenile and undsciplined to actually do it.

Grow up.


You grow up, and you shut up. Personally as I said before to others, you should admit when you are wrong and in this case you are wrong. You are not contributing anything. You are useless to this forum. I'm trying to contribute, but idiots and assholes such as yourself insist on bringing up my sexual orientation. I find it quite demeaning.

And don't tell me if I'm smart or anything like that, I don't take any words from you.

[Unca Walt]

Get a new schtick, dingy chick.

Walt has deconstructed your argument to an absurdity, and you call him a liar for exposing your vapid "argument", such as it is?

Have you run out of Halidol? My sister is a pharmacist - I can get you more if you want some.


AHA!!!

The light dawns!!!

By reisei's cllintonspeak, she is microparsing a statement that EVERY SINGLE SOUL MUST be a terrorist... or you cannot call those we are fighting "terrorists".

(*ahem*) As noted by Modus, your clintonspeakmicroparsing has been deconstructed for the foolish, fallaciousness that it is.

If ONE member of the Einsatzgruppen never pulled the trigger on the innocents at Babi Yar, and ONLY WATCHED... well then, reisei, the Einsatzgruppen could not (by your clintonspeakmicroparsing) be labeled an SS execution group... could it.

NOW I see.

And NOW I ask you: Would you say that those involved in the fighting (limiting it to, say, ONE building in Fallujah -- the building with the photo studio, the building with the murdered, mutilated woman...) would THOSE who the US Marines fought and conquered meet your oh-so-very-generously-parsed definition of terrorists?

Inquiring minds... the clever ones (that's me, you said) want to know.

Ah... the beauty of your logic: If there is ONE SINGLE SOLITARY person that has taken up arms among all the rest... and this ONE SINGLE SOLITARY person is a True Believer in trying to simply return Saddam to power...

...then we cannot be fighting terrorists in Iraq.

Dear me. What a liar I am for saying that the forces we are fighting are terrorist forces. After all, I could not have possibly interviewed every single clintonspeak-labeled "insurgent" to find out his true motivation AND HIS METHODS!!!, so... I must be lying. After all, possibly MORE than one... maybe a dozen... even a HUNDRED (*gasp*) may never have murdered or protected with gunfire those that DID murder and mutilate.

How obtuse I am.

Unca Walt

[ilovelucy]

We are fighting not only terrorists, perhaps, but also people who are not keen on our being there in the first place....so, how do we differientiate the two?

[WCP]

We are fighting not only terrorists, perhaps, but also people who are not keen on our being there in the first place....so, how do we differientiate the two?


Well, this reminds me of something my daddy used to say when he forced me to go somewhere I didn't want to go. "You're going and you're going to have fun even if it kills you."

We're over there in the midst of a cultural/religious war and we're giving everyone a time out to reflect on how they are going to join the international community and become to a degree "civil" with one another...even if it kills them.

[Unca Walt]

We are fighting not only terrorists, perhaps, but also people who are not keen on our being there in the first place....so, how do we differientiate the two?


Lucydear:

1. IF a reisei "freedom fighter" is using arms to protect and defend terrorists (as in Fallujah, where they were holed up in the buildingS with the "human slaughterhouses", the "film studios", and the actual mutilated, murdered headless body of the woman...

2. IF a reisei "freedom fighter" spends his afternoons torturing and mutilating and murdering innocents...

THEN that "freedom fighter" is forever a terrorist.

A murderer is a murderer forever. The differentiation is NOT difficult.

If you are in close combat with a force... and after defeating the force, you enter what that force HAD BEEN PROTECTING...

...and you find what they HAD BEEN PROTECTING was a murder photo-studio, a bunch of human slaughterhouse buildings...

...then every swingin' dick there -- reisei's clintonspeakmicroparsing notwithstanding -- is, or was a fucking terrorist.

Easy, nicht wahr? Well for some of us, anyway.

Unca Walt

[WCP]

We are fighting not only terrorists, perhaps, but also people who are not keen on our being there in the first place....so, how do we differientiate the two?


I heard it said by a Marine the other day when asked the question:

"How do you know they are terrorists?"

He said,

"It's pretty easy. The terrorists are the guys with the guns shooting at us and the civilians are the ones who have their hands up in the air."

Not so tough, huh?

[LanceALott]

LAL, that's all fine and good, but the other side, yeah, they're not too keen on the "Love thy Neighbor" stuff. They're into the "Kill everyone for Allah" and the "Infidels must die" Kick. :)


Ya, you make half a good point. -- They are not too keen on the "love thy neighbor" shit, at least not the way the USA practices it; and has practiced it against them since WW II, by raping, robbing, and slaughtering their people behind assholes WE PUT INTO POWER, like Saddam.

Hell, I bet if you were one of them, you'd even decide the way to love the USA is to "Kill everyone for Allah," whose prophet Mohammad, like Christ, teaches a different kind of love for neighbors than the USA practices.

[ilovelucy]

But, not all people want to be part of the murdering, etc. faction....after all, we are still talking about human beings with families and such....just wanting to survive...no?

[LanceALott]

"How do you know they are terrorists?"

He said,

"It's pretty easy. The terrorists are the guys with the guns shooting at us and the civilians are the ones who have their hands up in the air."




So, If some guy buries his AK-47 in the sand, and puts his hands in the air, he is a civilian, not a terrorist. Praise Jesus.

[ilovelucy]

I heard it said by a Marine the other day when asked the question:

"How do you know they are terrorists?"

He said,

"It's pretty easy. The terrorists are the guys with the guns shooting at us and the civilians are the ones who have their hands up in the air."

Not so tough, huh?


no.

I hope we help those who have their hands in the air....

[WCP]

So, If some guy buries his AK-47 in the sand, and puts his hands in the air, he is a civilian, not a terrorist. Praise Jesus.


For the time being, yes, he would be a "civilian" unless he was discovered later that he was involved in the shooting.

Why do you suppose all those grunts have cameras on their helmets? You don't think Michael Moore is footing the bill for those units for his upcoming film, do you?

[Sparky26]

Ya, you make half a good point. -- They are not too keen on the "love thy neighbor" shit, at least not the way the USA practices it; and has practiced it against them since WW II, by raping, robbing, and slaughtering their people behind assholes WE PUT INTO POWER, like Saddam.

Hell, I bet if you were one of them, you'd even decide the way to love the USA is to "Kill everyone for Allah," whose prophet Mohammad, like Christ, teaches a different kind of love for neighbors than the USA practices.


Lal, Um. You missed the point. AGAIN. The koran doesn't preach peace. Never has, never will unless they decide to revise it A LOT and muslims for some weird strange reason don't want to revise their holy book.

Mohammed, is nothing like Christ.

You really HAVE'NT read the Koran, have you?

[LanceALott]

Lal, Um. You missed the point. AGAIN. The koran doesn't preach peace. Never has, never will unless they decide to revise it A LOT and muslims for some weird strange reason don't want to revise their holy book.

Mohammed, is nothing like Christ.

You really HAVE'NT read the Koran, have you?



Actually I have read parts of the Koran. It was in a college level course on Religions of the world, and I took it about five years before 9/11, 1995, so what I got was not the same propaganda that is floating around today, which you may be referring to.

The course was taught by an ordained preacher of the Church of the Nazarene, a fundamentalist Christian church who grew up as a Catholic and converted; and Rev Heald knew his shit about Islam as well as all the other major religions of the world. He did not try to turn the class into a sermon for Christianity or for his Nazarenes.

In many ways Mohammad was indeed very much like Christ, and he even recognized and respected Christ as a great prophet, but did not go the extra step to make Jesus a god, nor did Mohammad preach that he, Mohammad, was a god, just a prophet who lead his people at a difficult time, just like Christ.



There was a difference. Mohammad was a general, a warrior, unlike Christ; and Mohammad led his people in war from Mecca to Medina, conquered the corrupt enemies, and founded a great society that made many advances in science and technology of the time; WHICH IN FACT ALONG WITH THE PEACE HE BROUGHT, DID LEAD HIS PEOPLE TO A BETTER LIFE.


The problem is that since the time of Mohammad, Islam has had many crooked assholes like Pat Robertson who distorted the religion for his own profit.

[ilovelucy]

robertson is a moslem?????

[LanceALott]

robertson is a moslem?????


He might as well be, he is crooked enough; and he sure as hell does not teach the same religion Christ taught.

[ilovelucy]

Why do you say he's "crooked"?
'

[ilovelucy]

I knew his son some years ago,,,,cute guy. very creative.

[LanceALott]

Why do you say he's "crooked"?
'


Because I have listened to him, and his words advance the cause of Robertson, not the cause of Christ. He is mean-spirited and evil and sadistic.

His shit is politically motivated, not religiously.

[ilovelucy]

this surprises you?

[LanceALott]

this surprises you?


No. I have watched Fat Rubbertson for a long time.


He preaches the same ugly "Christian" religion that once said Hitler was The Messiah.


I happened to stop on the 500 Club just last week. Pat had some writer on peddling a "Christian" book. They talked about the girls at Harvard who were going around screwing men they just met, didn't even know their name; and then they graded the preformance in their diary. -- Pat wrung his hands and said "Ain't it awful. And this is indeed happening everywhere in our society."

Then, the writer told him that the source for what he put in his own book was a new novel by Tom Wolfe.

[reisei]

By reisei's cllintonspeak, she is microparsing a statement that EVERY SINGLE SOUL MUST be a terrorist... or you cannot call those we are fighting "terrorists".

No, you cannot call all of the people we are fighting "terrorists". You can call the terrorists we are fighting "terrorists". I'd probably even join in.


AHA!!!

The light dawns!!!

Unfortunately for you its a false dawn.
Lucy's got it right, and you don't.
You've put words into my mouth, and claim that I said that people who cut off the heads of innocents are not terrorists. Yet you cannot provide substantiation for the claim.

You may find yourself charming and cuddly.
When I boil it down I get one central fact...
You're a liar.
You may be those other things as well.
But when you get tagged a liar, other things seem far less important.

[WCP]

Reisei, your problem, and it is, indeed, a problem is that you are so utterly vague in expressing yourself that no one knows really what you're talking about even when asked direct questions. You deflect and respond with the most obtuse responses I've ever heard short of arod.

Seems to me you have an inability to clearly express yourself on a bulletin board. It's either that or you're just flat-assed ashamed of what you believe in.

Either way, you're a waste of band width. You're only good to stir shit around here and you do that quite well. Too bad the job's already taken.

[reisei]

Reisei, your problem, and it is, indeed, a problem is that you are so utterly vague in expressing yourself...

BN:

Thanks for the input.
Now, please allow me to respond in kind by letting you know what I think your problem might be. Your problem, and its not really a serious one from where I sit, is that you seem to actually believe that I care in some way about what you think of me.
Let me put you straight... I don't. I don't for many reasons, primary among them being that I really don't put much stock in the opinions of foul-mouthed people who obviously inhabit the far low end of the intelligence Bell curve.
In my eyes you're simply an amusing idiot, about 80% court jester and 20% Lenny Bruce.
No offense intended, of course.

Hope that wasn't too vague for you...

[Flyrod]

LAL, that's all fine and good, but the other side, yeah, they're not too keen on the "Love thy Neighbor" stuff. They're into the "Kill everyone for Allah" and the "Infidels must die" Kick. :)

As I'm sure many people have tried to say before,

ISLAM IS NOT A PEACEFUL RELIGION. :) Try reading the koran. :)


I totally agree, Sparky! Have you noticed that the libbies talk about Pat Robertson etc., who have followers here of about zero! And... how many people here sit around and talk about the Communist Party USA! Almost none, because we talk about the ISSUES instead of WHINE like LaH, and his buddies here! You know who they are! REALISTICALLY speaking , what does it matter what Pat Robertson or CPUSA think??

[LanceALott]

what does it matter what Pat Robertson or CPUSA think??


And what does it matter what some damn dumb Flyspeck, er Flyrod, thinks?

[Sparky26]

And what does it matter what some damn dumb Flyspeck, er Flyrod, thinks?


Following that argument, LAL, who cares what you think?

[LanceALott]

Following that argument, LAL, who cares what you think?


Nobody cares what I think, unless what I think is true; then someday everybody will have to face it.

[Giancarlo]

Nobody cares what I think, unless what I think is true; then someday everybody will have to face it.


That day will never come. ::)

[Flyrod]

Quote from: flyrod on November 18, 2004, 11:14:54 PM
what does it matter what Pat Robertson or CPUSA think??


And what does it matter what some damn dumb Flyspeck, er Flyrod, thinks?



And just exactly where did I say the above on this thread that you claim I said, damn dumb LaH?? You are saying I didn't even capitalize the first word of the sentence? You've got your tit in a ringer now, bud!!!

[Unca Walt]

No, you cannot call all of the people we are fighting "terrorists". You can call the terrorists we are fighting "terrorists". I'd probably even join in.Unfortunately for you its a false dawn.
Lucy's got it right, and you don't.
You've put words into my mouth, and claim that I said that people who cut off the heads of innocents are not terrorists. Yet you cannot provide substantiation for the claim.

You may find yourself charming and cuddly.
When I boil it down I get one central fact...
You're a liar.
You may be those other things as well.
But when you get tagged a liar, other things seem far less important.


Oh, deary dear...

You go and actually confirm what I said... and get yourself confused in your Clintonspeakmicroparsing so that even though you confirm it you deny it.

Jeez... Do you know who that reminds me of?

Think: Someone who can confirm and deny the same statement... now, whoooooo could that be?

Would it be someone you would support politically? (*snicker*)

Unca Walt

[reisei]

Oh, deary dear...

Hey, Unca!

How's the lying business going?
You really an Uncle? Is your name really Walt? Are you really married?
How about all those hunting and fishing stories you regale us with? Are they true, or part of the pathology?

So many questions, yet no way to get an honest answer.

"Oh, deary dear" indeed...

[ilovelucy]

I got something right?????

[reisei]

I got something right?????

You get a lot right, luc'.
At least as far as I can tell...