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The Guardian
11-12-2004, 02:54 PM
FORMER HEAD OF CIA'S OSAMA BIN LADEN UNIT SAYS THE QAEDA LEADER HAS SECURED RELIGIOUS APPROVAL TO USE A NUCLEAR BOMB AGAINST AMERICANS
Fri Nov 12 2004 12:02:34 ET

Osama bin Laden now has religious approval to use a nuclear device against Americans, says the former head of the CIA unit charged with tracking down the Saudi terrorist. The former agent, Michael Scheuer, speaks to Steve Kroft in his first television interview without disguise to be broadcast on 60 MINUTES Sunday, Nov. 14 (7:00-8:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.

Scheuer was until recently known as the "anonymous" author of two books critical of the West's response to bin Laden and al Qaeda, the most recent of which is titled Imperial Hubris: Why the West is Losing the War on Terror. No one in the West knows more about the Qaeda leader than Scheuer, who has tracked him since the mid-1980s. The CIA allowed him to write the books provided he remain anonymous, but now is allowing him to reveal himself for the first time on Sunday's broadcast; he formally leaves the Agency today (12).

Even if bin Laden had a nuclear weapon, he probably wouldn't have used it for a lack of proper religious authority - authority he has now. "[Bin Laden] secured from a Saudi sheik...a rather long treatise on the possibility of using nuclear weapons against the Americans," says Scheuer. "[The treatise] found that he was perfectly within his rights to use them. Muslims argue that the United States is responsible for millions of dead Muslims around the world, so reciprocity would mean you could kill millions of Americans," Scheuer tells Kroft.

Scheuer says bin Laden was criticized by some Muslims for the 9/11 attack because he killed so many people without enough warning and before offering to help convert them to Islam. But now bin Laden has addressed the American people and given fair warning. "They're intention is to end the war as soon as they can and to ratchet up the pain for the Americans until we get out of their region....If they acquire the weapon, they will use it, whether it's chemical, biological or some sort of nuclear weapon," says Scheuer.

As the head of the CIA unit charged with tracking bin Laden from 1996 to 1999, Scheuer says he never had enough people to do the job right. He blames former CIA Director George Tenet. "One of the questions that should have been asked of Mr. Tenet was why were there always enough people for the public relations office, for the academic outreach office, for the diversity and multi-cultural office? All those things are admirable and necessary but none of them are protecting the American people from a foreign threat," says Scheuer.

And the threat posed by bin Laden is also underestimated, says Scheuer. "I think our leaders over the last decade have done the American people a disservice...continuing to characterize Osama bin Laden as a thug, as a gangster," he says. "Until we respect him, sir, we are going to die in numbers that are probably unnecessary, yes. He's a very, very talented man and a very worthy opponent," he tells Kroft.

Until today (12), Scheuer was a senior official in the CIA's counter terrorism unit and a special advisor to the head of the agency's bin Laden unit.

Developing...

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash2.htm

LanceALott
11-12-2004, 03:21 PM
quote: And the threat posed by bin Laden is also underestimated, says Scheuer.

I have read Scheurer's book IMPERIAL HUBRIS, and anyone who has not read it simply does not understand the situtation, nor do they understand how damn serious this is.


Everybody else wants to send out a positive message, that they have the situation under control; when the reality is that we are very vulnerable and have little real defense.

truelies
11-12-2004, 04:38 PM
Should this come to pass the involvement of moslem religous authorities would be a strong argument for our retaliation by a War of Extermination.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash2.htm

Osama bin Laden now has religious approval to use a nuclear device against Americans, says the former head of the CIA unit charged with tracking down the Saudi terrorist. The former agent, Michael Scheuer, speaks to Steve Kroft in his first television interview without disguise to be broadcast on 60 MINUTES Sunday, Nov. 14 (7:00-8:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.

Scheuer was until recently known as the "anonymous" author of two books critical of the West's response to bin Laden and al Qaeda, the most recent of which is titled Imperial Hubris: Why the West is Losing the War on Terror. No one in the West knows more about the Qaeda leader than Scheuer, who has tracked him since the mid-1980s. The CIA allowed him to write the books provided he remain anonymous, but now is allowing him to reveal himself for the first time on Sunday's broadcast; he formally leaves the Agency today (12).
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the bib
11-12-2004, 08:27 PM
These people think Iraq is the best we've got.

They truly don't know that Iraq is more a war of restraint and avoidance of "collateral" damage.

Should OBL be so stupid to engineer or order WMD here, the only regret I'll have is that he will not live long enough to see just HOW MANY Moslems American is capable of killing.

The bombs will rain down on his head in the mountains and everywhere Moslems live. They won't be able to dig big enough holes this time.

ilovelucy
11-12-2004, 08:57 PM
One would think the Saudis would try to rein him in a bit more....actually, if he nuked us, then even the SA would not be immune to a response from the West....

I think most of this is hyperbole, myself, but perhaps that is just wishful thinking on my part. OBL would be nuts to begin a nuclear engagement with the West....stupid actually....no wait. INSANE.

the bib
11-12-2004, 09:50 PM
One would think the Saudis would try to rein him in a bit more....actually, if he nuked us, then even the SA would not be immune to a response from the West....

I think most of this is hyperbole, myself, but perhaps that is just wishful thinking on my part. OBL would be nuts to begin a nuclear engagement with the West....stupid actually....no wait. INSANE.



Seems to me that a very strong case could be made that he is insane and psychopathic. One thing he's not though is suicidal. I just don't think he's in aby particulary personal hurry to meet his 72 alloted virgins.

ilovelucy
11-12-2004, 09:53 PM
Why would he do that when he can have the pick of the litter here and now?

the bib
11-12-2004, 10:08 PM
"Litter." How appropos. ;D

lgllady
11-15-2004, 10:50 AM
The world has not used nuclear weapons because of the risk of MAD, Mutually Assured Destruction.

If Bin Laden used a smuggled in nuke, there would be no mutually assured destruction because we have no nation that we would rain nukes down on.

He's got us on that one. It's surely check and mate.

WCP
11-15-2004, 10:52 AM
Seems to me that a very strong case could be made that he is insane and psychopathic.

I prefer to think of him as "fervently religious."

Not much of a difference, is there? ;)

Larry_Oldtimer
11-15-2004, 10:58 AM
The world has not used nuclear weapons because of the risk of MAD, Mutually Assured Destruction.

If Bin Laden used a smuggled in nuke, there would be no mutually assured destruction because we have no nation that we would rain nukes down on.

He's got us on that one. It's surely check and mate.



Well, not neccessarily one specific nation. I think we could and would figure out a "medley" of nations that would do the trick. ;)