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NorNec
11-04-2004, 06:33 AM
"Arafat is in a coma and in a critical condition," a senior Palestinian official told Reuters. He was transferred to the intensive care unit on Wednesday at around 5 p.m. (11 a.m. EST).
"He has no immunity whatsoever," another aide said.
French Military Doctors are at a loss as to his health issues. One un-named official stated "If only Palestine had Oil, we could fix this problem"
HollyBaere
11-04-2004, 08:03 AM
"Arafat is in a coma and in a critical condition," a senior Palestinian official told Reuters. He was transferred to the intensive care unit on Wednesday at around 5 p.m. (11 a.m. EST).
"He has no immunity whatsoever," another aide said.
French Military Doctors are at a loss as to his health issues. One un-named official stated "If only Palestine had Oil, we could fix this problem"
Even though it's been said he hasn't, I still go with the belief that Arafat is being poisoned.
Watch, as soon as Arafat is dead Palestine will disappear. Those who helped Arafat meet his end will find a way to let Israel get what it has always longed for.
Conservinator
11-04-2004, 08:11 AM
Oh, so you really are sad about Arafat's illness, aren't you? I would have expected no less from you , Hollybeast. You love terrorists so much.
You say that he is being poisoned...yeah, right. By the way, have you checked out the new "Black Helicopters" section, the one for conspiracy nuts like...YOU?
BTW...How do you feel about having four more years of, "The Bushy Boy Regime" (your words)?
Is it galling enough to get you to leave this country? Can I help you bu buying you a one-way airline ticket to the Middle East, maybe?
Conservinator
11-04-2004, 08:47 AM
ARAFAT'S DESERT DIRT NAP APPROACHING?
Wire services are reporting that Palestinian terrorist Yasser Arafat is in a coma at a Paris hospital. Were he to actually take the proverbial eternal celestial desert dirt nap, no single event would do more to jump start the Middle East peace process.
Should he die, expect the media swoon to last for a solid week. They will mourn the passing of this "peace maker," when in reality it is Arafat that has stood in the way of a Palestinian state for years.
Link (http://boortz.com/nuze/200411/11042004.html#arafat)
wendy
11-04-2004, 08:59 AM
Arafat poisoned? Yeah right...by his own people perhaps. ::)
If the Israelis wanted to kill him....they'd just do it.
wendy
11-04-2004, 10:10 AM
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Palestinian President Yasser Arafat was declared clinically dead on Thursday in a French hospital, Israeli television said citing French sources.
But Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qurie denied the report, saying: "I have just spoken to the officials in Paris and they say the situation is still as it was. He is still in the intensive care unit."
Israel's Channel Two television cited unnamed sources in Paris saying that Arafat underwent a brain scan and was found to be "no longer alive."
Palestinian sources earlier told Reuters that the Palestinian president, who was admitted to hospital last week with a mysterious stomach illness, had slipped into a coma.
LINK (http://reuters.myway.com/article/20041104/2004-11-04T163956Z_01_L04284404_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-MIDEAST-ARAFAT-DC.html)
Even though it's been said he hasn't, I still go with the belief that Arafat is being poisoned.
Watch, as soon as Arafat is dead Palestine will disappear. Those who helped Arafat meet his end will find a way to let Israel get what it has always longed for.
Nope, what will happen is Hamas will take over, the the shit will REALLY hit the fan. This is a fucking nightmare.
Nope, what will happen is Hamas will take over, the the shit will REALLY hit the fan. This is a fucking nightmare.
Good call.
Armageddon!! Armageddon!! Armageddon!!
We're all coming home to Jesus!
wendy
11-04-2004, 10:19 AM
Nope, what will happen is Hamas will take over, the the shit will REALLY hit the fan. This is a fucking nightmare.
You can bet your ass the Israelis are working with the Palestinian authority right now to make sure they have some kind of transfer of power. Neither side wants Hamas to start raising hell.
wendy
11-04-2004, 10:22 AM
This is going to be like Weekend at Bernie's. They'll keep the bastard's corpse on life support for the next 6 months while they try and figure out what to do...since Arafat apparently refused to set up a line of succession.
This is going to be like Weekend at Bernie's. They'll keep the bastard's corpse on life support for the next 6 months while they try and figure out what to do...since Arafat apparently refused to set up a line of succession.
that is EXACTLY what we are seeing right now. Mark my words though, Hamas will not be controlled no matter how hard the Israelis and Arafat's aids try. We thought the ME problems were bad before...
Nice of them to inquire about his health:
Mideast - AFP
AFP
Top Hamas leader calls Arafat in Paris
Mon Nov 1,11:33 AM ET
Add to My Yahoo! Mideast - AFP
GAZA CITY (AFP) - The political chief of the radical Hamas movement, Khaled Meshaal, called ailing Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat (news - web sites) at his sick bed in Paris to inquire after his health, a Hamas spokesman told AFP.
"Khaled Meshaal called president Arafat last night to inquire about his health. He also called (Palestinian prime minister Ahmed) Qorei and Abu Mazen," Mushir al-Masri said Monday, referring to former premier Mahmud Abbas.
Earlier, the official Palestinian news agency Wafa reported that Meshaal had called Arafat "to wish him good health and to wish for his to return to Palestine and to his people".
Meshaal is the head of Hamas' Damascus-based politburo but his exact whereabouts are usually shrouded in mystery for fear that he could be the target of Israeli attack.
Two other top Hamas leaders have been killed in Israeli air strikes this year.
Meshaal has kept contacts with Arafat to a minimum but did ring the veteran leader back in July to urge action to tackle an unravelling security crisis in the West Bank and Gaza Strip (news - web sites).
Arafat was flown to Paris for urgent medical treatment on Friday after his health sharply deteriorated last week.
With the 75-year-old leader undergoing tests in France, Qorei has taken over as acting head of the Palestinian government while Abbas has temporarily taken charge of the Palestine Liberation Organisation and Arafat's dominant Fatah (news - web sites) faction.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20041101/wl_mideast_afp/mideast_arafat_health_041101163302
I hope he is in indescribable excrutiating pain...for a very long time.
Bassman
11-04-2004, 01:38 PM
Nope, what will happen is Hamas will take over, the the shit will REALLY hit the fan. This is a fucking nightmare.
I hope it does.
Opens the door to the exterminators....
BrandonL
11-04-2004, 01:43 PM
Even though it's been said he hasn't, I still go with the belief that Arafat is being poisoned. Maybe you could post something in the black 'copter forum with some "proof" you have of this?
Watch, as soon as Arafat is dead Palestine will disappear. Those who helped Arafat meet his end will find a way to let Israel get what it has always longed for. OK, let's say Palestine becomes a soverign nation, independent of Israel. This is what will happen in a few years' time. First, Palestine would not peacefully coexist with Israel. Israel will still suffer suicide bombings. The Palestinians will no be comfortable with the size of their country, and will want pieces of Israel.
Secondly, it will become another third world shit-hole. What would a newly-formed Palestine have to offer the world economy? Nothing is the answer. They really don't have any oil to sell, their lands would be barren (unlike Israel's-which the Israeli's workd hard to cultivate.), and about all they could do is offer their people into servitude.
Tell us Holly, what would your take on Palestine being free? What would change?
HollyBaere
11-04-2004, 01:57 PM
OK, let's say Palestine becomes a soverign nation, independent of Israel. This is what will happen in a few years' time. First, Palestine would not peacefully coexist with Israel. Israel will still suffer suicide bombings. The Palestinians will no be comfortable with the size of their country, and will want pieces of Israel.
Secondly, it will become another third world shit-hole. What would a newly-formed Palestine have to offer the wold economy? Nothing is the answer. They really don't have any oil to sell, their lands would be barren (unlike Israel's-which the Israeli's workd hard to cultivate.), and about all they could do is offer their people into servitude.
Tell us Holly, what would your take on Palestine being free? What would change?
O.K. show me where you would have proof of this??
If Israel would leave Palestinians ALONE and quit razing their homes, stealing their land and demolishing their infrustructure and their cities, they would be just fine!
Palestinians were there LONG BEFORE Israel came along, they have survived 56 years of oppression under Israeli's thumb, so what makes you think they can't handle taking care of themselves?? Bigot!! It's ONLY people like you that believe that Arabs are "third-world"!!
How do other nations exsists that don't have oil to sell?? These people know how to manage the desert far better than the whiney Israeli's who TOTALLY depend on monitary aid from the U.S. to exsist.
Israel is afraid that they won't accomplish this goal they have had all along, to take ALL of Palestinian land and call it Israel. If Palestine become a state, they know they no longer have a chance for this.
Unconfirmed report that the Douchebag has gone to meet his virgins.
wendy
11-04-2004, 02:06 PM
Unconfirmed report that the Douchebag has gone to meet his virgins.
They're going to keep him on the machines for another day or two so they can work out the security situation.
Holly, he is 75 years old. Don't be silly with this poisoning thing.
Holly, he is 75 years old. Don't be silly with this poisoning thing.
I'm ashamed to admit it, but that's exactly what I'm thinking has happened to the dirt bag.
Allahu Akbar!!
HollyBaere
11-04-2004, 02:15 PM
Holly, he is 75 years old. Don't be silly with this poisoning thing.
What does his age have to do with it?? I have customers that are in their 90's that are healthier than I am!!
O.K. Voxo.......prove he isn't being poisoned.
What does his age have to do with it?? I have customers that are in their 90's that are healthier than I am!!
O.K. Voxo.......prove he isn't being poisoned.
WTF for? You are the one making a silly assertion.
And speaking of silly assertions:
"Hamas is now steadily becoming a mainstream movement. Nobody, even the Americans and the Israelis, can exclude Hamas from any future political equation."
One Hamas official in the Hebron region tells Aljazeera.net that Hamas would act more responsibly and more wisely after Arafat.
"We will be more flexible in accommodating other views and we shall not allow any ideological rigidity to impede progress towards national unity," says the Islamist leader who, for security reasons, demanded anonymity.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/AD1D14C2-D1D1-4354-B54B-E500DBCD2656.htm
The boys are prepping those old Reebok Pumps, getting ready to run wild in the streets.
BrandonL
11-04-2004, 02:23 PM
prove he isn't being poisoned.
Ummm...You are the person who brought it up. YOU prove it. You've done what is normally called a strawman.
BrandonL
11-04-2004, 02:29 PM
What does his age have to do with it?? I have customers that are in their 90's that are healthier than I am!!Are you really that blind??? Can you not see that, in the US, the average life span is around 70-75. What makes you think it would be higher for an Arab living in Israel?
ponygurl
11-04-2004, 02:32 PM
;D
Even the sewer of the middle east has blood tests..
Tigerphoenix
11-04-2004, 02:33 PM
How would their economy stand up on its own? Do they have anything to trade? A countries livelyhood is based on its economy. That is why the have third world countries. They can't stand on their own.
lgllady
11-04-2004, 02:37 PM
I don't know that Holly is so far off the mark. I've heard many times that his people were slowly poisoning him. Palestine has tried peace so many times and Arafat sends out his suicide bombers as soon as something viable is suggested. It was Arafat who deep sixed the agreement reached at Camp David! It is clear to many in the Palestinian Authority that there were never be anything approaching a peace agreement as long as Arafat is alive.
I know he's old, but it's interesting that as soon as Israel began withdrawing from Gaza, Arafat sinks. I think that was the negotiation. Gaza pullout in exchange for Arafat's life. So his people started with the program.
HollyBaere
11-04-2004, 02:41 PM
WTF for? You are the one making a silly assertion.
And speaking of silly assertions:http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/AD1D14C2-D1D1-4354-B54B-E500DBCD2656.htm
The boys are prepping those old Reebok Pumps, getting ready to run wild in the streets.
Naturally, since Ariel Sharon and his Mossad buddies helped create Hamas, they will act in his interest.
wendy
11-04-2004, 02:48 PM
I have customers that are in their 90's that are healthier than I am!!
That doesn't surprise me one bit.
McBp_2003
11-04-2004, 02:51 PM
Yasser Arafat, not feeling too well and concerned about his mortality, goes to consult a Psychic about the date of his death.
Closing her eyes and cupping her hands around her crystal ball, she finds the answer and says "You will die on a Jewish holiday". "Which one?" Arafat asks nervously. "It doesn't matter", she replies "the day you die will be a Jewish holiday."
I don't care how he dies just that he dies.
NorNec
11-04-2004, 04:58 PM
I don't care how he dies just that he dies.
He's in a Coma, use a Comma.
lgllady
11-04-2004, 07:03 PM
Rumor has it, he's left his entire fortune to be used to finance terrorisim.
HollyBaere
11-04-2004, 07:51 PM
Rumor has it, he's left his entire fortune to be used to finance terrorisim.
OH, COME OFF IT!!
Billions of YOUR tax dollars fianance the terror Israel inflicts on Palestinains EVERYDAY!!
wendy
11-04-2004, 07:57 PM
OH, COME OFF IT!!
Billions of YOUR tax dollars fianance the terror Israel inflicts on Palestinains EVERYDAY!!
Arafat has billions sitting in personal bank accounts while his people live in hovels.
If you're so fond of the pals, why don't you sell all your worldly goods and hie your fat ass over there?
Larry_Oldtimer
11-05-2004, 11:08 AM
OH, COME OFF IT!!
Billions of YOUR tax dollars fianance the terror Israel inflicts on Palestinains EVERYDAY!!
Shit . . . that's not terrorism, that is justice. ;)
BrandonL
11-05-2004, 12:05 PM
OH, COME OFF IT!!
Billions of YOUR tax dollars fianance the terror Israel inflicts on Palestinains EVERYDAY!!
Holly, the PLO and the other organizations started after the wars against Israel. Arafat came onto the scene in September 1974. This was after the Yom Kippur war.
Israel won the right to occupy those territories as a matter of national security.
If you do not see it this way-then, would you have supported France's taking of the Alsace-Lorraine area of Germany after WWI as a matter of "national security"?
You better answer.
McBp_2003
11-05-2004, 12:07 PM
Foxnews reporting that Arafat may be dead in hours.
Conservinator
11-05-2004, 01:23 PM
A-Fat is such a wonderful guy...
***************************
Arafat's wife
left out of will?
PLO chief reportedly refuses to leave money to spouse, could go to terrorists
Posted: November 4, 2004
8:30 p.m. Eastern
By Aaron Klein
Suha Arafat, wife of ailing Yasser Arafat, requested her husband this week draft a will leaving his multimillion dollar fortune to her, but Arafat refused, a Palestinian source told WorldNetDaily.
Meanwhile, Israel security sources said they're worried the PLO chief's money could be passed on to terrorists to continue the intifada.
...earlier this week, when Arafat was alert and in intensive care, likely paying attention to the U.S. elections, Suha requested that her husband instruct lawyers to draft a will that would leave his money to her upon his demise, a Palestinian source said.
"The President [Arafat] told her he had no plans of dying, and also said that his money would be well cared for," said the source. "He rejected her request."
Arafat is said to be worth hundreds of millions, mostly from money Israel says he secretly shifted to bank accounts in his name by allegedly plundering financial aid, mostly from European countries, sent to help a battered West Bank and Gaza economy over the years.
Forbes calculates Arafat, who comes in sixth behind Queen Elizabeth II in a list of wealthy world leaders, has a net worth of $300 million.
Arafat also has millions invested in real estate, Middle East phone companies and a Coca-Cola bottling plant in Ramallah, where the PA chairman's shattered compound lies.
That Arafat refuses to sign over his money to Mrs. Arafat has experts worried his fortune might be made available to Palestinian terror organizations for further attacks against Israelis.
Full Article (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41305)
You know, I've heard MANY times that Arafat was actually a homosexual.
You know, I've heard MANY times that Arafat was actually a homosexual.
He didn't get the name 'Yesser' for nothing you know. ;D
He didn't get the name 'Yesser' for nothing you know. ;D
<groan>
Yup, that was a pretty bad one Lonestar.
You people are dull after this exciting election. ;D
You people are dull after this exciting election. ;D
A Mexican crossed the border to give his family a better life. He could not find work anywhere and his family was hungry. He went to the bottom of a nearby hill, fell to his knees and prayed.
"Sweet Jesus, please show me a way to feed my family....
Eyes closed, the Mexican does not see the Black man coming over the top of the hill, who is struggling with a broken grocery sack and who loses a wheel of cheese.
When the Mexican man opens his eyes, the large wheel of cheddar cheese from the Black man's grocery bag rolls down the hill and lands at the Mexican's feet!!
Oh, thank you Jesus, thank you, he cries, grabs the cheese, and runs straight home.
Upon returning home, he gives the cheese to his wife and instructs her to make nachos.
But wouldn't you rather have cheese enchiladas and burritos and other things? she inquires.
No, the husband says, "Jesus sent this to me with a message.....As I ran
home, I kept hearing a voice yelling,
"THAT'S NACHO CHEESE"
<rimshot>
Lazarus
11-05-2004, 03:44 PM
I don't care how he dies just that he dies.
Everyone dies eventually. Are you planning to dance a jig on his grave? 8)
Everyone dies eventually. Are you planning to dance a jig on his grave? 8)
Yes we all die and no I don't plan to dance a jig on his grave. His dying is like a bit of Satan's handyman going to his reward. His dying won't stop terrorism or bring peace to the Middle East; his dying is just one small end to one small evil man and one small victory in the scheme of things, which are greater than us all.
A Mexican crossed the border to give his family a better life. He could not find work anywhere and his family was hungry. He went to the bottom of a nearby hill, fell to his knees and prayed.
"Sweet Jesus, please show me a way to feed my family....
Eyes closed, the Mexican does not see the Black man coming over the top of the hill, who is struggling with a broken grocery sack and who loses a wheel of cheese.
When the Mexican man opens his eyes, the large wheel of cheddar cheese from the Black man's grocery bag rolls down the hill and lands at the Mexican's feet!!
Oh, thank you Jesus, thank you, he cries, grabs the cheese, and runs straight home.
Upon returning home, he gives the cheese to his wife and instructs her to make nachos.
But wouldn't you rather have cheese enchiladas and burritos and other things? she inquires.
No, the husband says, "Jesus sent this to me with a message.....As I ran
home, I kept hearing a voice yelling,
"THAT'S NACHO CHEESE"
<rimshot>
Yesser ;D
No, the husband says, "Jesus sent this to me with a message.....As I ran
home, I kept hearing a voice yelling,
"THAT'S NACHO CHEESE"
<rimshot>
GOOD GOD. I didn't see it coming... did a spit take. ;D
GOOD GOD. I didn't see it coming... did a spit take. ;D
<<grown>>
HollyBaere
11-05-2004, 04:44 PM
<<grown>>
Are you really niave enough to think that Arafat was the ONLY cause for the terror in the Palestine/Israel conflict??
Do you really think that with Arafat's death will there be instantanious peace between Palestine and Israel??
Then I have some beach-fron property in Nevada to sell you, and all who believe this!!
Are you really niave enough to think that Arafat was the ONLY cause for the terror in the Palestine/Israel conflict??
Do you really think that with Arafat's death will there be instantanious peace between Palestine and Israel??
Then I have some beach-fron property in Nevada to sell you, and all who believe this!!
read what i said to lazarus.
HollyBaere
11-05-2004, 04:58 PM
read what i said to lazarus.
Sorry, I stand corrected.
I'm wondering though, how you think Arafat is such a "Satan's Handyman". He stood with his people in this fight, they voted him their President. When he appeared on the scene in 1974, Israel was taken by surprise. They thought for sure, they finally had their greasy hands on all of the land that was to be Palestine, and Arafat shut the door in their faces.
Tell me, why would Arafat be awarded the Nobel PEACE PRIZE?? Do you think he stole it?? BTW: If Ariel Sharon is "the man of peace", Bush thinks he is, then where is his Nobel Peace Prize?? I do believe Sharon's nickname is "The Butcher".
Thunder Bay
11-05-2004, 05:57 PM
Well, they had to give it to somebody; like when they gave it to that Carter idiot for getting Arafat and Begin to sign the Camp David Accords; didn't mean shit. ::)
HollyBaere
11-05-2004, 07:10 PM
Well, they had to give it to somebody; like when they gave it to that Carter idiot for getting Arafat and Begin to sign the Camp David Accords; didn't mean shit. ::)
Yes, Thunder Bay your signature line says it all........."Genius has it's limits; stupidity doesn't. ~ Anon"
YOUR stupidity certainly knows NO LIMITS!!
NorNec
11-05-2004, 07:19 PM
Sorry, I stand corrected.
I'm wondering though, how you think Arafat is such a "Satan's Handyman". He stood with his people in this fight, they voted him their President. When he appeared on the scene in 1974, Israel was taken by surprise. They thought for sure, they finally had their greasy hands on all of the land that was to be Palestine, and Arafat shut the door in their faces.
Tell me, why would Arafat be awarded the Nobel PEACE PRIZE?? Do you think he stole it?? BTW: If Ariel Sharon is "the man of peace", Bush thinks he is, then where is his Nobel Peace Prize?? I do believe Sharon's nickname is "The Butcher".
Curious? why did you choose the name HollyBaere? What does it mean to you?
HollyBaere
11-05-2004, 07:27 PM
Curious? why did you choose the name HollyBaere? What does it mean to you?
Seriously, My nickanme from my Husband is baeremutz, which means teddy bear in Swiss-German.
My first name is Holly.......Holly Baere. NOT Halle Berry
NorNec
11-05-2004, 07:35 PM
Seriously, My nickanme from my Husband is baeremutz, which means teddy bear in Swiss-German.
My first name is Holly.......Holly Baere. NOT Halle Berry
Conservinator
11-06-2004, 11:23 AM
The Hollybeast:
Seriously, My nickanme from my Husband is baeremutz, which means teddy bear in Swiss-German.
Interesting...
Face it, Hollybeast...A-FAT (Arafat) sucks, the Palestinians suck, YOU suck, and when you put it all together and mix it up...it SUCKS.
P.S. I hear A-FAT wants to be buried in Jerusalem...no way. But I do have a GREAT alternate burial location for A-FAT...it suits him well...
http://www.mbenvironmental.com/MBE/images/dumpster.jpg
I just heard they've got him in a "light coma to protect his delicate internal organs."
This has "poisoning" written all over it.
Allahu Akbar!!
Conservinator
11-06-2004, 11:34 AM
If someone poisoned A-FAT...more power to them.
Whether by poison, or a Tomahawk cruise missile suppository,
DEAD is DEAD. And a dead A-FAT makes the world a better place...
Get in the dumpster, A-FAT...time to take out the trash.
http://www.mbenvironmental.com/MBE/images/dumpster.jpg
HollyBaere
11-08-2004, 08:27 AM
Aide alleges Israel poisoned Arafat
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Lamia Lahoud, THE JERUSALEM POST Nov. 8, 2004
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Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat was poisoned by Israel, one of his advisers said Sunday.
The option is being seriously considered by the PA, which has sent blood samples to the US and Germany to confirm or rule out the option, he said.
Arafat suffers symptoms similar to those of former PFLP military leader Wadi'a Hadad, he said.
Hadad was poisoned in the late 1970s by a close aide who was allegedly recruited by the Mossad, the adviser said, although the official reason for his death was cancer.
"It took Hadad eight weeks to die... he also entered a coma", he said, "Unless they find an antidote, Arafat will die," he added.
There are four possible reasons for the breakdown of Arafat's red blood cells, and two options have been ruled out, he said.
He does not have cancer and did not take an overdose of certain medications, he added.
Poisoning is one of the two remaining possibilities, he claimed.
Other PA officials, including Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei said they could not rule out that Arafat was poisoned, but said they needed to see some proof before publicly making such accusations.
Some PA officials dismissed the poisoning option.
They said it was in the PA's interest to keep Arafat on life support to allow PLO deputy Mahmoud Abbas and Qurei to run the PA.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1099801104660
Conservinator
11-08-2004, 03:55 PM
Hollybeast:
Aide alleges Israel poisoned Arafat
If this were true, I would say...GOOD.
But it's not...more Black Helicopter stuff from someone who is not even remotely in touch with reality.
LanceALott
11-09-2004, 08:16 AM
Arafat has been brain dead for years, so has Sharon; and Bush never had a brain to begin with.
HollyBaere
11-09-2004, 09:11 AM
Sharon; and Bush never had a brain to begin with.
With this I completely AGREE!!
Bush never had a brain to begin with.
How embarrassing for Kerry that he couldn't even beat a moron, huh? ;D
Whiskey4bfast
11-09-2004, 09:24 AM
How embarrassing for Kerry that he couldn't even beat a moron, huh? ;D
A moron with a higher IQ I might add.
The only homo sapien I can think of lower on the IQ scale than Kerry is our own IM.
(IM = Insurgent's Motivator, Insipid Moron, Ignorant Muthah, Illin' Misogynist, etc.)
HollyBaere
11-09-2004, 09:37 AM
How embarrassing for Kerry that he couldn't even beat a moron, huh? ;D
That's why the had to rig the voting machines. They knew that Bush couldn't win any other way!!
Larry_Oldtimer
11-09-2004, 10:10 AM
And, Holly, I am also sure that those evil Republicans did contract with aliens from outer space to beam down instructions to voters. You liberals better issue some tinfoil hats next time around. :o
That's why the had to rig the voting machines. They knew that Bush couldn't win any other way!!
How embarrassing that the Democrats couldn't stop the Republicans from rigging the voting machines. ;D
What are they? Stupid? ;)
HollyBaere
11-09-2004, 10:31 AM
And, Holly, I am also sure that those evil Republicans did contract with aliens from outer space to beam down instructions to voters. You liberals better issue some tinfoil hats next time around. :o
How intelligent!
I guess you don't bother to read the news then?? Or do you only read what fits your "rose-colored" view??
Whiskey4bfast
11-09-2004, 11:53 AM
That's why the had to rig the voting machines. They knew that Bush couldn't win any other way!!
They're coming to take me away.....ha ha ....ho ho... hee hee... ;D ;D ;D
Gawd, I love it so...............
Conservinator
11-09-2004, 02:46 PM
Hollybeast:
That's why the had to rig the voting machines. They knew that Bush couldn't win any other way!!
The voting machines were not rigged.
Take a clue from what everyone is trying to tell you.
You are sick, and need professional help.
wendy
11-09-2004, 06:10 PM
What are they? Stupid? ;)
Stupid, emotionally retarded whiners.
Giancarlo
11-09-2004, 10:26 PM
If the Israelis poisoned Arafat, I would like to celebrate with whoever did it and who ordered it. I'd pin medals on those who decided to go forward with it, if it happened. They saved lives by killing a terrorist.
Giancarlo
11-09-2004, 10:26 PM
That's why the had to rig the voting machines. They knew that Bush couldn't win any other way!!
Yes, the demo-rats tried to rig the voting machines! They tried to steal a victory away from Bush.
ilovelucy
11-09-2004, 10:29 PM
Personally, I don't understand all the attention given to Arafat's illness and if he dies, well he dies....we all do, actually....
I think there might be some apprehension as to who will take his place, no?
Giancarlo
11-09-2004, 10:31 PM
If he dies, I celebrate. That's why I care. Give PM Queria (SP?) all the power.
ilovelucy
11-09-2004, 10:38 PM
Well, I don't think his death is worth a celebration, really....just the passage of a warlord who has been his own people's worst enemy, imo.
He has done nothing for the Arabs who have looked to him for leadership and has merely hoarded a bunch of money no one seems to really know where it is, etc....
He is/was a shaman (is that the word?)
Jethro Tull
11-09-2004, 11:47 PM
Death to Arafat, and to every single Islamic terrorist, to the last man!
And, a pox upon their defenders and sympathizers in this country! They are a disgrace . . .
Flyrod
11-10-2004, 06:58 AM
Well, I don't think his death is worth a celebration, really....just the passage of a warlord who has been his own people's worst enemy, imo.
He has done nothing for the Arabs who have looked to him for leadership and has merely hoarded a bunch of money no one seems to really know where it is, etc....
He is/was a shaman (is that the word?)
Think you're right, Bud. Arafat is just like Jackson, Sharpton, and the Democrats here! Just obstructionists to anything that would be productive. And the money which is just now coming out; great job by MSM (Main Stream Media), a little late by years and years as usual! Just like the race baiting against corporations done by Jackson, democrats, etc. here! It's just a way to make a good living nowdays. Keep a race all hyped up about some little thing, and the donations just pour into, individual or political partY.
Larry_Oldtimer
11-10-2004, 10:46 AM
If the Israelis poisoned Arafat, I would like to celebrate with whoever did it and who ordered it. I'd pin medals on those who decided to go forward with it, if it happened. They saved lives by killing a terrorist.
I sure agree with you on this one! While I doubt that there will ever be "peace" in this small part of the world, with Arafat gone there might well come to be at least less violent disagreement. He was at least one of the "rotten apples in the barrel" and in my viewpoint, the most rotten and corrupt of all. Good riddance. :D
Conservinator
11-10-2004, 02:19 PM
DEAD OR ALIVE?
There seems to be a bit of confusion as to whether or not Yasser Arafat has assumed room temperature and gone to visit his 72 virgins yet. Reportedly, Palestinians are making burial preparations to bury the lifelong Islamic terrorist thug. There are reports that he is still alive in a French hospital, but most reports say he is dead.
I know you're not supposed to say things about dead people unless it's good. Well, he's dead. Good.
And so it is that now the media swoon will begin. He will be portrayed as the symbol of Palestinian struggle, and a proponent of Palestinian statehood. The truth is he was in favor of winning neither. Just like the NAACP has no interest in eliminating racism, Yasser Arafat had no interest in a Palestinian state. It would mean he was out of a job, and being a pimp for the downtrodden paid pretty well. In fact, it paid so well, they're not sure where all the money he stole from the Palestinian people went.
Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered Arafat everything including the moon at Camp David in 2000, and he turned it down. At that point, it was plain for anyone to see that Arafat did not want peace. His continued support for terrorism and his direct payments to suicide bombers further cemented his status as a Palestinian warlord.
Perhaps now that he is pushing up daisies, the Palestinians will get their state. Maybe.
Link (http://boortz.com/nuze/200411/11102004.html#arafat)
NorNec
11-10-2004, 02:22 PM
Well, I don't think his death is worth a celebration, really....just the passage of a warlord who has been his own people's worst enemy, imo.
He has done nothing for the Arabs who have looked to him for leadership and has merely hoarded a bunch of money no one seems to really know where it is, etc....
He is/was a shaman (is that the word?)
Lucy, you are sweet. But Arafat was the worst of all killers. He sent women, men, children to do his dirty work, and now that he is dying of old age, his young wife is fighting for the money. That is what makes me hate the Palestinians the most.
HollyBaere
11-10-2004, 02:34 PM
Lucy, you are sweet. But Arafat was the worst of all killers. He sent women, men, children to do his dirty work, and now that he is dying of old age, his young wife is fighting for the money. That is what makes me hate the Palestinians the most.
And pray tell.....what would you call Ariel "The Butcher" Sharon?? A saint?? ::)
ModusPonens
11-10-2004, 02:39 PM
Well, I don't think his death is worth a celebration, really....just the passage of a warlord who has been his own people's worst enemy, imo.
He has done nothing for the Arabs who have looked to him for leadership and has merely hoarded a bunch of money no one seems to really know where it is, etc....
He is/was a shaman (is that the word?)
Lucy, Arafat isn't even a palestinian. He assumed the mantle of Palestinian, but he is actually Egyptian.
Lucy, Arafat isn't even a palestinian.
There is no such thing as a "Palestinian." I keep telling everyone that but they don't seem to understand that there is no such place on this planet recognized as "Palestine."
Except by the dregs of Jordanian society who have been kicked out of their own country and call themselves "Palestinians." ::)
HollyBaere
11-10-2004, 08:28 PM
There is no such thing as a "Palestinian." I keep telling everyone that but they don't seem to understand that there is no such place on this planet recognized as "Palestine."
Except by the dregs of Jordanian society who have been kicked out of their own country and call themselves "Palestinians." ::)
Bull Shit, Baby!! All Propaganda Bull Shit!! (Which Badnews buys by the truckload!)
Read on:
I INTRODUCTION Palestine, historic region, the extent of which has varied greatly since ancient times, situated on the eastern coast of the Mediterranean Sea, in southwestern Asia. Palestine is now largely divided between Israel and the Israeli-occupied territories, parts of which are self-administered by Palestinians.
II THE LAND
The region has an extremely diverse terrain that falls generally into four parallel zones. From west to east they are the coastal plain; the hills and mountains of Galilee, Samaria, and Judea; the valley of the Jordan River; and the eastern plateau. In the extreme south lies the Negev, a rugged desert area. Elevations range from 408 m (1340 ft) below sea level on the shores of the Dead Sea, the lowest point on the surface of the earth, to 1020 m (3347 ft) atop Mount Hebron. The region has several fertile areas, which constitute its principal natural resource. Most notable of these are the Plain of Sharon, along the northern part of the Mediterranean coast, and the Plain of Esdraelon (or Jezreel), a valley north of the hills of Samaria. The water supply of the region, however, is not abundant, with virtually all of the modest annual rainfall coming in the winter months. The Jordan River, the region’s only major stream, flows south through Lake Tiberias (the region’s only large freshwater lake) to the intensely saline Dead Sea.
III HISTORY
The Canaanites were the earliest known inhabitants of Palestine. During the 3rd millennium BC they became urbanized and lived in city-states, one of which was Jericho. They developed an alphabet from which other writing systems were derived; their religion was a major influence on the beliefs and practices of Judaism, and thus on Christianity and Islam.
Palestine’s location—at the center of routes linking three continents—made it the meeting place for religious and cultural influences from Egypt, Syria, Mesopotamia, and Asia Minor. It was also the natural battleground for the great powers of the region and subject to domination by adjacent empires, beginning with Egypt in the 3rd millennium BC.
Egyptian hegemony and Canaanite autonomy were constantly challenged during the 2nd millennium BC by such ethnically diverse invaders as the Amorites, Hittites, and Hurrians. These invaders, however, were defeated by the Egyptians and absorbed by the Canaanites, who at that time may have numbered about 200,000. As Egyptian power began to weaken after the 14th century BC, new invaders appeared: the Hebrews, a group of Semitic tribes from Mesopotamia, and the Philistines (after whom the country was later named), an Aegean people of Indo-European stock.
A The Israelite Kingdom
Hebrew tribes probably immigrated to the area centuries before Moses led his people out of serfdom in Egypt (1270? BC), and Joshua conquered parts of Palestine (1230? BC). The conquerors settled in the hill country, but they were unable to conquer all of Palestine.
The Israelites, a confederation of Hebrew tribes, finally defeated the Canaanites about 1125 BC but found the struggle with the Philistines more difficult. The Philistines had established an independent state on the southern coast of Palestine and controlled a number of towns to the north and east. Superior in military organization and using iron weapons, they severely defeated the Israelites about 1050 BC. The Philistine threat forced the Israelites to unite and establish a monarchy. David, Israel’s great king, finally defeated the Philistines shortly after 1000 BC, and they eventually assimilated with the Canaanites.
The unity of Israel and the feebleness of adjacent empires enabled David to establish a large independent state, with its capital at Jerusalem. Under David’s son and successor, Solomon, Israel enjoyed peace and prosperity, but at his death in 922 BC the kingdom was divided into Israel in the north and Judah in the south. When nearby empires resumed their expansion, the divided Israelites could no longer maintain their independence. Israel fell to Assyria in 722 and 721 BC, and Judah was conquered in 586 BC by Babylonia, which destroyed Jerusalem and exiled most of the Jews living there.
B Persian Rule
The exiled Jews were allowed to retain their national and religious identity; some of their best theological writings and many historical books of the Old Testament were written during their exile. At the same time they did not forget the land of Israel. When Cyrus the Great of Persia conquered Babylonia in 539 BC he permitted them to return to Judea, a district of Palestine. Under Persian rule the Jews were allowed considerable autonomy. They rebuilt the walls of Jerusalem and codified the Mosaic law, the Torah, which became the code of social life and religious observance. The Jews believed they were bound to a universal God, Yahweh, by a covenant; indeed, their concept of one ethical God is perhaps Judaism’s greatest contribution to world civilization.
C Roman Province Persian domination of Palestine was replaced by Greek rule when Alexander the Great of Macedonia took the region in 333 BC. Alexander’s successors, the Ptolemies of Egypt and the Seleucids of Syria, continued to rule the country. The Seleucids tried to impose Hellenistic (Greek) culture and religion on the population. In the 2nd century BC, however, the Jews revolted under the Maccabees and set up an independent state (141-63 BC) until Pompey the Great conquered Palestine for Rome and made it a province ruled by Jewish kings. It was during the rule (37-4 BC) of King Herod the Great that Jesus was born.
Two more Jewish revolts erupted and were suppressed—in AD 66 to 73 and 132 to 135. After the second one, numerous Jews were killed, many were sold into slavery, and the rest were not allowed to visit Jerusalem. Judea was renamed Syria Palaistina.
Palestine received special attention when the Roman emperor Constantine the Great legalized Christianity in AD 313. His mother, Helena, visited Jerusalem, and Palestine, as the Holy Land, became a focus of Christian pilgrimage. A golden age of prosperity, security, and culture followed. Most of the population became Hellenized and Christianized. Byzantine (Roman) rule was interrupted, however, by a brief Persian occupation (614-629) and ended altogether when Muslim Arab armies invaded Palestine and captured Jerusalem in AD 638.
D The Arab Caliphate The Arab conquest began 1300 years of Muslim presence in what then became known as Filastin. Palestine was holy to Muslims because the Prophet Muhammad had designated Jerusalem as the first qibla (the direction Muslims face when praying) and because he was believed to have ascended on a night journey to heaven from the area of Solomon’s temple, where the Dome of the Rock was later built. Jerusalem became the third holiest city of Islam.
The Muslim rulers did not force their religion on the Palestinians, and more than a century passed before the majority converted to Islam. The remaining Christians and Jews were considered "People of the Book." They were allowed autonomous control in their communities and guaranteed security and freedom of worship. Such tolerance (with few exceptions) was rare in the history of religion. Most Palestinians also adopted Arabic and Islamic culture. Palestine benefited from the empire’s trade and from its religious significance during the first Muslim dynasty, the Umayyads of Damascus. When power shifted to Baghdâd with the Abbasids in 750, Palestine became neglected. It suffered unrest and successive domination by Seljuks, Fatimids, and European Crusaders (see Caliphate; Crusades). It shared, however, in the glory of Muslim civilization, when the Muslim world enjoyed a golden age of science, art, philosophy, and literature. Muslims preserved Greek learning and broke new ground in several fields, all of which later contributed to the Renaissance in Europe. Like the rest of the empire, however, Palestine under the Mamelukes gradually stagnated and declined.
E Ottoman Rule The Ottoman Turks of Asia Minor defeated the Mamelukes in 1517 and, with few interruptions, ruled Palestine until the winter of 1917 and 1918. The country was divided into several districts (sanjaks), such as that of Jerusalem. The administration of the districts was placed largely in the hands of Arabized Palestinians, who were descendants of the Canaanites and successive settlers. The Christian and Jewish communities, however, were allowed a large measure of autonomy. Palestine shared in the glory of the Ottoman Empire during the 16th century, but declined again when the empire began to decline in the 17th century.
The decline of Palestine—in trade, agriculture, and population—continued until the 19th century. At that time the search by European powers for raw materials and markets, as well as their strategic interests, brought them to the Middle East, stimulating economic and social development. Between 1831 and 1840, Muhammad Ali, the modernizing viceroy of Egypt, expanded his rule to Palestine. His policies modified the feudal order, increased agriculture, and improved education. The Ottoman Empire reasserted its authority in 1840, instituting its own reforms. German settlers and Jewish immigrants in the 1880s brought modern machinery and badly needed capital.
The rise of European nationalism in the 19th century, and especially the intensification of anti-Semitism during the 1880s, encouraged European Jews to seek haven in their "promised land," Palestine. Theodor Herzl, author of The Jewish State (1896; translated 1896), founded the World Zionist Organization in 1897 to solve Europe’s "Jewish problem" (see Zionism). As a result, Jewish immigration to Palestine greatly increased.
In 1880, Arab Palestinians constituted about 95 percent of the total population of 450,000. Nevertheless, Jewish immigration, land purchase, and claims were reacted to with alarm by some Palestinian leaders, who then became adamantly opposed to Zionism.
F The British Mandate
Aided by the Arabs, the British captured Palestine from the Ottoman Turks in 1917 and 1918. The Arabs revolted against the Turks because the British had promised them, in correspondence (1915-1916) with Husein ibn Ali of Mecca, the independence of their countries after the war. Britain, however, also made other, conflicting commitments. Thus, in the secret Sykes-Picot agreement with France and Russia (1916), it promised to divide and rule the region with its allies. In a third agreement, the Balfour Declaration of 1917, Britain promised the Jews, whose help it needed in the war effort, a Jewish "national home" in Palestine. This promise was subsequently incorporated in the mandate conferred on Britain by the League of Nations in 1922.
During their mandate (1922-1948) the British found their contradictory promises to the Jewish and Palestinian communities difficult to reconcile. The Zionists envisaged large-scale Jewish immigration, and some spoke of a Jewish state constituting all of Palestine. The Palestinians, however, rejected Britain’s right to promise their country to a third party and feared dispossession by the Zionists; anti-Zionist attacks occurred in Jerusalem (1920) and Jaffa (1921). A 1922 statement of British policy denied Zionist claims to all of Palestine and limited Jewish immigration, but reaffirmed support for a Jewish national home. The British proposed establishing a legislative council, but Palestinians rejected this council as discriminatory.
After 1928, when Jewish immigration increased somewhat, British policy on the subject seesawed under conflicting Arab-Jewish pressures. Immigration rose sharply after the installation (1933) of the Nazi regime in Germany; in 1935 nearly 62,000 Jews entered Palestine. Fear of Jewish domination was the principal cause of the Arab revolt that broke out in 1936 and continued intermittently until 1939. By that time Britain had again restricted Jewish immigration and purchases of land.
G The Post-World War II Period
The struggle for Palestine, which abated during World War II, resumed in 1945. The horrors of the Holocaust produced world sympathy for European Jewry and for Zionism, and although Britain still refused to admit 100,000 Jewish survivors to Palestine, many survivors of the Nazi death camps found their way there illegally. Various plans for solving the Palestine problem were rejected by one party or the other. Britain finally declared the mandate unworkable and turned the problem over to the United Nations in April 1947. The Jews and the Palestinians prepared for a showdown.
Although the Palestinians outnumbered the Jews (1,300,000 to 600,000), the latter were better prepared. They had a semiautonomous government, led by David Ben-Gurion, and their military, the Haganah, was well trained and experienced. The Palestinians, on the other hand, had never recovered from the Arab revolt, and most of their leaders were in exile. The Mufti of Jerusalem, their principal spokesman, refused to accept Jewish statehood. When the UN proposed partition in November 1947, he rejected the plan while the Jews accepted it. In the military struggle that followed, the Palestinians were defeated. Terrorism was used on both sides.
The state of Israel was established on May 14, 1948. Five Arab armies, coming to the aid of the Palestinians, immediately attacked it. Israeli forces defeated the Arab armies, and Israel enlarged its territory. Jordan took the West Bank of the Jordan River, and Egypt took the Gaza Strip.
The war produced 780,000 Palestinian refugees. About half probably left out of fear and panic, while the rest were forced out to make room for Jewish immigrants from Europe and from the Arab world. The disinherited Palestinians spread throughout the neighboring countries, where they have maintained their Palestinian national identity and the desire to return to their homeland. In 1967, during the Six-Day War between Israel and neighboring Arab countries, Israel captured the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, as well as other areas.
In 1993, after decades of violent conflict between Palestinians and Israelis, leaders from each side agreed to the signing of an historic peace accord. Palestine Liberation Organization leader Yasir Arafat and Israeli prime minister Yitzhak Rabin met in the United States on September 13, 1993, to witness the signing of the agreement. The plan called for limited Palestinian self-rule in Israeli-occupied territories, beginning with the Gaza Strip and the West Bank town of Jericho. Palestinian administration of these areas began in 1994. In September 1995 the PLO and Israel signed a second peace accord, expanding limited Palestinian self-rule to almost all Palestinian towns and refugee camps in the West Bank. Under the agreements, Israel maintains the right to send armed forces into Palestinian areas and controls the areas between Palestinian enclaves.
Contributed By:
Philip Mattar
Conservinator
11-11-2004, 08:15 AM
Where did you get your last posting from, Hollybeast?
Also...are you in mourning today? A-FAT, your hero, is dead.
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ARAFAT TAKES THE DESERT SAND NAP
Arafat is dead ... finally. Now we're going to have to deal with the insipid spin on what a grand man Yasser Arafat was from the media for a few days. This will definitely not be a day to remember the Israelis who died, including innocent schoolchildren, who died in attacks engineered by this thug.
One of the first people to offer his condolences was none other than UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, who had this to say: "President Arafat was one of those few leaders who could be instantly recognized by people in any walk of life all around the world." Oh really? Hitler could be recognized around the world too. How big a deal is that? The media is hailing Arafat as a "peacemaker" and a proponent of a Palestinian state. The fact of the matter is that he wanted neither. Let's take a look at his life's "work," shall we?
In 2000 at Camp David, in a last ditch attempt at resolving the peace process, Arafat turned down the best deal he would have ever gotten from the Israelis. It included a Palestinian state with most of the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem as well as a right of return for the Palestinians. Like any other activist that draws their money and power from a cause, Arafat didn't want to solve the problem. So he turned Ehud Barak down, and the fighting has raged ever since.
Under Arafat's leadership, the PLO conducted airplane hijackings and financed suicide bombers that killed civilians. They were also behind the massacre of children in 1974, the deaths of Israeli athletes at the Olympics in 1972 and the killings of Christians in Lebanon. Even with all this, Arafat was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. Not bad for an image makeover.
The caption under Arafat's picture on the Atlanta Journal-Constitution's website says "The icon of Palestinian national aspirations, who had won the Nobel Prize, has died in Paris." Icon? Let's get rid of the spin. Arafat was an icon for violence, for murder and for terrorism. Rather than working toward the goal of an independent Palestinian state, Arafat spent the last two decades doing everything he possibly could to prevent one. Arafat knew that as soon as a Palestinian state became a reality he would become irrelevant. In addition to being a terrorist murderer, Arafat was a thief. He stole millions, perhaps billions of dollars that were donated to Palestinian causes. While Palestinians were suffering Arafat's wife was flitting around Paris spending her $100,000 a month allowance, money stolen from Palestinians. Arafat's death came decades too late. It's about time.
Link (http://boortz.com/nuze/200411/11112004.html#arafat)
HollyBaere
11-11-2004, 08:33 AM
Where did you get your last posting from, Hollybeast?
Also...are you in mourning today? A-FAT, your hero, is dead.
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ARAFAT TAKES THE DESERT SAND NAP
Link (http://boortz.com/nuze/200411/11112004.html#arafat)
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All Israeli Zionist Propaganda and Boortz CRAP!!
My last post came from: Microsoft ENCARTA Encyclopedia '99 Edition Part No. X03-69634
Conservinator
11-11-2004, 09:33 AM
No, it's the truth...what you post is the crap.
Why do you care so much about the Palestinian terrorists, anyway? You have absolutely no affiliation with them...why have you centered your whole life around being a mouthpiece for them?
HollyBaere
11-11-2004, 10:39 AM
No, it's the truth...what you post is the crap.
Why do you care so much about the Palestinian terrorists, anyway? You have absolutely no affiliation with them...why have you centered your whole life around being a mouthpiece for them?
Truth?? Where is your proof??
I care about the Palestinian plight, because due to Israel's cover-ups, lies and mis-information these people are made to look like terrorists when they are just trying to hold on to their land. Land that should have been made a state for them at the very same time as Israel was. They were cheated because everyone was busy feeling sorry for Jews due to the Holocaust. And I believe that Israel always had the idea to take the Palestinian's land from the very begining. And that is why Arafat was made to look like a terrorist by Israel, because he came out of the blue and spoiled their plan. (And that's why I believe they poisoned him!)
Unless you have been there and have seen how the Palestinians suffer due to the hands of their Israeli oppressors, you have NO CLUE as to what the truth actually is!
I have not "centered my whole life" around Palestinians, but I do feel that more people should be made aware of the lies that our media tells us and how our goverment always acts in Israel's favor when it comes to this situation. These people have been Israel's scape-goat for 56 years and considering who runs our media we only hear one side.
What do you care anyway, Connie?? All you care about is Boortz, Bush and being evil and ugly to people that don't agree with you.
Thunder Bay
11-11-2004, 10:53 AM
Holly, the pals are Jordan's homeless, shipped out to bother the Jews. Read a book. ::)
HollyBaere
11-11-2004, 11:59 AM
Holly, the pals are Jordan's homeless, shipped out to bother the Jews. Read a book. ::)
Do you have link to that "fact", or is it just another of your misinformed opinions again, Thunder Bay??
I shouldn't think I would have to post that excerpt from Encarta again?? Ever hear of the Phillastines??
Do you have link to that "fact", or is it just another of your misinformed opinions again, Thunder Bay??
I shouldn't think I would have to post that excerpt from Encarta again?? Ever hear of the Phillastines??
You're a fucking Arab, aren't you?
HollyBaere
11-11-2004, 12:08 PM
You're a fucking Arab, aren't you?
Sorry. No, I am Irish-German and was born in the U.S.!! (I am quite sure I will regret telling you that though. :()
BTW: What does that have to do with knowing history??
Conservinator
11-11-2004, 02:42 PM
Hollybeast:
Truth?? Where is your proof??
It's contained in the 900 something posts you have made.
I care about the Palestinian plight, because due to Israel's cover-ups, lies and mis-information these people are made to look like terrorists when they are just trying to hold on to their land.
That's not what I asked you...what is your PERSONAL stake in what happens with the Palestinians? You have already admitted that you are not of Middle Eastern descent, and you are not a Muslim. Why the particular interest in the Palestinians?
Unless you have been there and have seen how the Palestinians suffer due to the hands of their Israeli oppressors, you have NO CLUE as to what the truth actually is!
Nope...wrong. The Palestinians are Muslims...I don't have to get in a plane to go see what they are doing, as I know that their behavior matches other Muslim behavior that can be seen anywhere in the world. By the way...have YOU ever been over there yourself? If so, was it just a vacation, or did you actually LIVE there for a while?
I have not "centered my whole life" around Palestinians
Again, the proof is in your posts...most of the 900 that you have made deal with the Palestinians.
What do you care anyway, Connie?
Make no mistake about it...as anyone can plainly see, I do not care for the violent religion of Islam or any of its followers. When someone (like you) tries to support and defend the animals that follow the terrorism that is disguised as Islam, of course I am going to get involved.
Conservinator
11-11-2004, 02:44 PM
Hollybeast:
Sorry. No, I am Irish-German and was born in the U.S.!! (I am quite sure I will regret telling you that though.
Since neither the Irish or the Germans will claim you, let's just say that you are a....mongrel!
Conservinator
11-11-2004, 05:20 PM
Here you go, Hollybeast...look at how much A-Fat's skank looking wife is going to get...22 MILLION dollars a year. And we are supposed to feel sorry for the Palestinians when they can't even manage money properly? We are supposed to feel sorry for them when they let A-Fat get rich off of their money?
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Report: Suha to receive $ 22m. a year from PA
Khaled Abu Toameh, THE JERUSALEM POST Nov. 11, 2004
Yasser Arafat's widow, Suha, is expected to receive a sum of $22 million a year out of the Palestinian Authority budget, according to the Italian newspaper Corriere De La Serra.
The paper said Suha reached an agreement about the money during a meeting with Mahmoud Abbas, the PLO's newly elected chairman, who visited while she was staying next to her husband's bed in the French military hospital outside Paris.
It said Abbas personally promised Suha that she would receive $22 million a year to cover her expenses in Paris. The paper noted that in July Arafat transferred to his wife $11 million to cover her living costs for the first six months of the year.
Abbas and the Palestinian leadership were forced to strike the deal with Suha after she refused to allow them to visit her husband in hospital.
The Palestinian leaders reached the conclusion that it would be better to make a deal with her in order to solve the crisis surrounding Arafat's possessions and secret bank accounts.
According to Palestinian officials, the money that Suha is expected to receive will come from secret accounts held by Arafat and his cronies in various countries. They estimated that at least $4 billion were being held in these secret accounts.
Link (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/Printer&cid=1100147302168&p=1078113566627)
Giancarlo
11-12-2004, 02:23 AM
I care about the Palestinian plight, because due to Israel's cover-ups, lies and mis-information these people are made to look like terrorists when they are just trying to hold on to their land. Land that should have been made a state for them at the very same time as Israel was. They were cheated because everyone was busy feeling sorry for Jews due to the Holocaust. And I believe that Israel always had the idea to take the Palestinian's land from the very begining. And that is why Arafat was made to look like a terrorist by Israel, because he came out of the blue and spoiled their plan. (And that's why I believe they poisoned him!)
You're full of shit. I'm sorry but this just isn't true. Palestine didn't exist in the first place (it was the Ottoman empire before). Secondly, Israel is fighting for its right of survival and it is a legitimate country. You are full of misinformation and deep stupidity. Arafat is the father of modern arab terrorism and is a mass-murderer.
HollyBaere
11-12-2004, 05:32 AM
You're full of shit. I'm sorry but this just isn't true. Palestine didn't exist in the first place (it was the Ottoman empire before). Secondly, Israel is fighting for its right of survival and it is a legitimate country. You are full of misinformation and deep stupidity. Arafat is the father of modern arab terrorism and is a mass-murderer.
No...sorry, giancarlo. YOU are the one who is full of shit!! Did it ever occur to ou that Palestine is doing the VERY SAME THING??
And if what I said "isn't true", then you had better back it up with FACTS and hard evidence, because that's where I got my information. Research, alot of reading and studying encylopedias and history books.
I believe I had already posted an excerpt from Encarta '99 Edition (about 13 posts back) in this thread that disputes your claim of "Palestine didn't exsist in the first place", using that excuse, neither did Israel for that matter!! I can also show you maps if you like.
Tigerphoenix
11-12-2004, 10:47 AM
I believe I had already posted an excerpt from Encarta '99 Edition
Yeah something that is 5 years old ::) Alot of things can change in that time.
Conservinator
11-12-2004, 05:17 PM
Nope...wrong. The Palestinians are Muslims...I don't have to get in a plane to go see what they are doing, as I know that their behavior matches other Muslim behavior that can be seen anywhere in the world. By the way...have YOU ever been over there yourself? If so, was it just a vacation, or did you actually LIVE there for a while?
All I know is I was really impressed with the Palestinians the way they handled themselves with such quiet dignity and grace when they were clawing and scratching at Arafat's coffin like a bunch of fucking hyenas over a rotting corpse.
HollyBaere
11-12-2004, 05:24 PM
Yeah something that is 5 years old ::) Alot of things can change in that time.
Yes Tigerphoenix, many things can change in 5 years, BUT NOT history. What has been, has been and cannot be changed. Although, some try to change history to fit their needs.
HollyBaere
11-12-2004, 05:30 PM
NO!! Connie, all Palestinians are NOT Muslims!! Just incase your pea-brain didn't know that some Palestinians are (*gasp*)Christians!! BONE-HEAD!!
Yes, you do have to go there to know what is going on!! You do have to see for yourself what the Zionist media won't show us here. You could NEVER know the truth about this situation otherwise.
wendy
11-12-2004, 05:30 PM
Unless you have been there and have seen how the Palestinians suffer due to the hands of their Israeli oppressors, you have NO CLUE as to what the truth actually is!
You stupid twit.
Arafat was the original terrorist. He's the one who thought it would be grand to kill women and children....including palestinian women and children. He was a diseased thug and the world is a hell of a lot better off without him.
How can you possibly stand up for that vicious amoral murderous bastard while KNOWING he was salting away billions of dollars in aid to his private accounts...while his "people" were starving? You've seen the pictures, dumbass....can YOU justify paying that pig he married 22 million a year while they pals are living in ruins?
wendy
11-12-2004, 05:39 PM
NO!! Connie, all Palestinians are NOT Muslims!! Just incase your pea-brain didn't know that some Palestinians are (*gasp*)Christians!! BONE-HEAD!!
Yes, you do have to go there to know what is going on!! You do have to see for yourself what the Zionist media won't show us here. You could NEVER know the truth about this situation otherwise.
And the muslim pals are driving them out of the country, dumbass. ::)
Why don't you write about the Muslim persecution of Palestinian Christians?
Oh that's right.... it doesn't fit into your agenda.
Conservinator
11-12-2004, 08:11 PM
The Hollybeast:
Yes, you do have to go there to know what is going on!! You do have to see for yourself what the Zionist media won't show us here. You could NEVER know the truth about this situation otherwise.
So say you...why didn't you answer the rest of the question then? I'll put it to you again:
By the way...have YOU ever been over there yourself? If so, was it just a vacation, or did you actually LIVE there for a while?
HollyBaere
11-12-2004, 08:13 PM
You stupid twit.
Arafat was the original terrorist. He's the one who thought it would be grand to kill women and children....including palestinian women and children. He was a diseased thug and the world is a hell of a lot better off without him.
How can you possibly stand up for that vicious amoral murderous bastard while KNOWING he was salting away billions of dollars in aid to his private accounts...while his "people" were starving? You've seen the pictures, dumbass....can YOU justify paying that pig he married 22 million a year while they pals are living in ruins?
Aparantly you didn't bother to watch Arafat's funeral today, Wendy. It didn't look like he was hated at all. Although Israel did want us to believe all the propaganda they pushed about Arafat. And it worked too, you stupidly bought ALL of it!
Why would he have won a Nobel Peace Prize?? Or did he salt that away too?? I don't see anyone offering Sharon or Bush one, do you??
Maybe you might inform yourself as to how foolish you are as to believing the propaganda and read this:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20041113/ap_on_re_mi_ea/arafat
BTW: You might want to check with Suha as to where all that money went. From what I hear, she was salting it away in Swiss banks. It didn't look like Arafat was living in the lap of luxury in his burnt out compound in Ramallah. And since he wouldn't leave Palestine for fear that Israel would not let him return, just where was he going to spend all that money anyway??
Well Wendy, once again you've earned your Arab-Hating Bigot star for today!! I hope you are proud!
As to your "claim" about the Muslim and Christian Palestinians, I haven't heard or read anything to that effect, but since I see no actual viable proof to your statement, I'll look for myself and see what I can find to dispute it.
Giancarlo
11-12-2004, 08:15 PM
B.S. Holyshit, Arafat was a crook and you know it.
wendy
11-12-2004, 08:18 PM
Holly would have performed fellatio on Arafat if he hadn't been so interested in boys. ::)
HollyBaere
11-12-2004, 08:24 PM
The Hollybeast: So say you...why didn't you answer the rest of the question then? I'll put it to you again:
NO Connie.....I wasn't there myself, but my best friend was in October of 2001. He didn't even realize, as I didn't, as to how severe the Palestinian situation was until then. We didn't realise that the Zionist media here was so one-sided as to what they so us about it until he came back.
Israel in it's hopes to totally take over this land controls EVERYTHING in Palestine. Electricity, water, food, and each and every rediculous check point. Israel has tried it's very best to make life in Palestine so miserable for it's people so that they would leave. These people can't even get to a hospital without going through at least 4 checkpoints just to drive 5 miles. And twice a day, the water is shut off so the settlers up on the hills can water their lawns.
But, why am I going through the trouble of explaining this to you, Connie.......I am quite sure somehow you will find a way to use it against me.
Whiskey4bfast
11-12-2004, 08:25 PM
Holly would have performed fellatio on Arafat if he hadn't been so interested in boys. ::)
She'd a blown him too..... ;D
HollyBaere
11-12-2004, 08:42 PM
Holly would have performed fellatio on Arafat if he hadn't been so interested in boys. ::)
Oooooo........yet another Dim-witted statement by Wendy!! And NO credible proof to back it up!!
Your intelligence excapes you!!
katsrdelicious
11-12-2004, 08:48 PM
Oooooo........yet another Dim-witted statement by Wendy!! And NO credible proof to back it up!!
Your intelligence excapes you!!
You know, for the first time I agree with you. Wendy's wrong. The evidence pretty much backs up the fact that you'd blow him regardless of his interests.
Conservinator
11-12-2004, 10:33 PM
The Hollybeast:
But, why am I going through the trouble of explaining this to you, Connie.......I am quite sure somehow you will find a way to use it against me.
Oh, absolutely! That's why you didn't want to answer the question!
You first said this about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.
Unless you have been there and have seen how the Palestinians suffer due to the hands of their Israeli oppressors, you have NO CLUE as to what the truth actually is!
Yes, you do have to go there to know what is going on!! You do have to see for yourself what the Zionist media won't show us here. You could NEVER know the truth about this situation otherwise.
But then you admit THIS:
NO Connie.....I wasn't there myself, but my best friend was in October of 2001.
Well, you haven't been there yourself, and you haven't seen how the Palestinians suffer due to the oppression of the Israelis, so...using your own logic, YOU HAVE NO CLUE AS TO WHAT THE TRUTH ACTUALLY IS CONCERNING THE PALESTINIAN SITUATION, AND YOU COULD NEVER KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT THE SITUATION.
WHY SHOULD ANYONE LISTEN TO A WORD YOU SAY ABOUT THE PALESTINIANS OR ISRAELIS IF YOU DO NOT MEET THE VERY REQUIREMENTS YOU HAVE SET FOR OTHERS TO MEET?
Try answering THAT one.
Expect to see this popping up again when you start running your mouth about the Palestinians. You are not qualified to speak on the subject...
Your reply to Wendy:
Your intelligence excapes you!!
Who's intelligence is escaping?
Sparky26
11-13-2004, 01:19 AM
You know, for the first time I agree with you. Wendy's wrong. The evidence pretty much backs up the fact that you'd blow him regardless of his interests.
Kats, you just made me spew diet cherry pepsi all over my monitor....
NO Connie.....I wasn't there myself, but my best friend was in October of 2001.
Just curious - what kind of person would fly over to the ME for an exploratory social call a mere few weeks after the US was attacked?
Conservinator
11-13-2004, 09:13 AM
Just curious - what kind of person would fly over to the ME for an exploratory social call a mere few weeks after the US was attacked?
Very good question!
NorNec
11-13-2004, 10:04 AM
HollyB. where is the $Billions of dollars he has...Who contols it? I think you would say that the money should go to the Palestinians...right?
katsrdelicious
11-13-2004, 11:28 AM
Kats, you just made me spew diet cherry pepsi all over my monitor....
I made you do nothing ;D
I was humored by Wendy's posting because it wasn't but five minutes beforehand, after I had read one of Holly's anti-jew rants, that I was thinking that she was lobbying for an opportunity to make Hitler cum in his and her afterlife.
HollyBaere
11-13-2004, 08:07 PM
HollyB. where is the $Billions of dollars he has...Who contols it? I think you would say that the money should go to the Palestinians...right?
From what I have read, Arafat's wife had stashed it in Swiss accounts. Don't forget she has been in Paris while Arafat was held in his Ramallah compound. Whay don't you aske Suha where all that money is and what she planned on doing with it??
YES!! NorNec it should go to the Palestinian people!! They need all the help they can get!
Holly, as long as you are back to this thread, I'd still like to know who these friends of yours are; what types of people they are to travel to the ME a couple of weeks after 9-11. Why did they go? What was the agenda?
I-RIGHT-I
11-14-2004, 08:12 AM
Holly, as long as you are back to this thread, I'd still like to know who these friends of yours are; what types of people they are to travel to the ME a couple of weeks after 9-11. Why did they go? What was the agenda?
Reading between the lines and having read some of her spew on another forum I'd say Holly is a fat white girl cohabitating with an Arab foreign national. Her "best friend" is some Muslim scumbag who's probably here illegally.
Sparky26
11-14-2004, 08:14 AM
I made you do nothing ;D
I was humored by Wendy's posting because it wasn't but five minutes beforehand, after I had read one of Holly's anti-jew rants, that I was thinking that she was lobbying for an opportunity to make Hitler cum in his and her afterlife.
Semantics, Kats. It doesn't matter.
I still had to clean up the cola off my monitor
HollyBaere
11-14-2004, 09:13 AM
Holly, as long as you are back to this thread, I'd still like to know who these friends of yours are; what types of people they are to travel to the ME a couple of weeks after 9-11. Why did they go? What was the agenda?
The trip was to promote The World Peace Monument. It was to represent the three religions, Christian, Islam and Judaism. The idea was to bring the peacful leaders, govermental and religious alike, together to unite people all over the world. It was to be erected in Jerusalem because it is supposed to be the world capital of the the three main religions.
The trip was to survey the site where the monument was to be built and to offer membership to Yasser Arafat and Ariel Sharon. Arafat welcomed the idea and his name was to be engraved on the monument to represent Palestine. Ariel Sharon, however declined (as expected). Other members were included Pope John Paul, Ezer Weitzman (former President of the state of Israel), Tedy Kolek (Mayor of Jerusalem), Prof. Shimon Shetreet (Vice-Mayor of Jerusalem), Bishop Riah Abu El-Assal (Anglican Bishop in Jerusalem, and many other officials from Luxembourg, Monnaco and the United States.
A great idea to unite the people of the world after such a tragedy as 9/11. But, due to The Bush Regime's wanting to go to war and problems created by the Israeli government, the project was scrapped.
NorNec
11-14-2004, 09:21 AM
The trip was to promote The World Peace Monument. It was to represent the three religions, Christian, Islam and Jews.
Not to be a pest, but the term "Jews" is a little weird. I think it is refered to as "Judaism" You typed it so hateful.
NorNec
11-14-2004, 09:24 AM
From what I have read, Arafat's wife had stashed it in Swiss accounts. Don't forget she has been in Paris while Arafat was held in his Ramallah compound. Whay don't you aske Suha where all that money is and what she planned on doing with it??
YES!! NorNec it should go to the Palestinian people!! They need all the help they can get!
Well, it seems you don't scream loud enough to stop the blond lady, so I ask you this. When will you demand the money be returned?
HollyBaere
11-14-2004, 10:31 AM
Not to be a pest, but the term "Jews" is a little weird. I think it is refered to as "Judaism" You typed it so hateful.
How does typing the word Jews look hateful, unless you just wanted to interperet it that way?? I didn't make it bold, or change the font, or even underline it. So how do you get hateful out of that??
Or are you just straining to make me look bad?
Sure....I'll demand that Suha give the money back. I'll e-mail her right away! No, really...I will do that if I can figure out whose contact would do the most good.
I'll demand that Suha give the money back. I'll e-mail her right away! No, really...I will do that if I can figure out whose contact would do the most good.
What places you in a position to demand anything? Are you a Palestinian?
How does typing the word Jews look hateful, unless you just wanted to interperet it that way?? I didn't make it bold, or change the font, or even underline it. So how do you get hateful out of that??
Or are you just straining to make me look bad?
You are doing that on your own:
It was to represent the three religions, Christian, Islam and Jews
"Christian" is a religion.
"Islam" is a religion.
"Jew" is not. Ever hear of someone saying, "I am getting married... for the sake of my new spouse I am converting to Jew"? Judaism is a religion, a Jew is a Hebrew descendant. They do not neccessarily have to practice Judaism.
Lazarus
11-14-2004, 01:26 PM
Yes we all die and no I don't plan to dance a jig on his grave. His dying is like a bit of Satan's handyman going to his reward. His dying won't stop terrorism or bring peace to the Middle East; his dying is just one small end to one small evil man and one small victory in the scheme of things, which are greater than us all.
Well, I don't see any reason to travel to Gaza just to dance, either. ;)
Conservinator
11-14-2004, 06:09 PM
Reading between the lines and having read some of her spew on another forum I'd say Holly is a fat white girl cohabitating with an Arab foreign national.
I'd say you are probably very close to the truth...I think the same thing. And when she doesn't answer right away, you know you are right.
HollyBaere
11-14-2004, 06:17 PM
You are doing that on your own:"Christian" is a religion.
"Islam" is a religion.
"Jew" is not. Ever hear of someone saying, "I am getting married... for the sake of my new spouse I am converting to Jew"? Judaism is a religion, a Jew is a Hebrew descendant. They do not neccessarily have to practice Judaism.
Look Voxo, did you even bother to read my reply to you, or did you only bother to look at just the one word?? See what I get for being honest with you.
Connie, as usual you are WRONG on BOTH counts!! Awwww... did I disappoint you??
Larry_Oldtimer
11-14-2004, 09:24 PM
NO Connie.....I wasn't there myself, but my best friend was in October of 2001. He didn't even realize, as I didn't, as to how severe the Palestinian situation was until then. We didn't realise that the Zionist media here was so one-sided as to what they so us about it until he came back.
Israel in it's hopes to totally take over this land controls EVERYTHING in Palestine. Electricity, water, food, and each and every rediculous check point. Israel has tried it's very best to make life in Palestine so miserable for it's people so that they would leave. These people can't even get to a hospital without going through at least 4 checkpoints just to drive 5 miles. And twice a day, the water is shut off so the settlers up on the hills can water their lawns.
But, why am I going through the trouble of explaining this to you, Connie.......I am quite sure somehow you will find a way to use it against me.
All the fault of Israel, huh? Gee whiz, and what about the billions of dollars given to the PLO, from many countries in the world, to help the "Palenstinians"? Doesn't it bother you just the least little bit that there is absolutely not a thing to show for it? Not one damn thing? Surely a little of that could have been spent on a power generating plant, and on oil to run it. Or a hospital or two might have been built. Could have spent some of it to provide real educations for some of them. Your hero, Arafat, controlled every damn dime of it. But no, it all went to corruption or terror. All of it. Your accusations have no validity whatsoever. Arafat and crew pissed all the money away on themselves and terrorism and spent none of it on the people it was intended to help. But Arafat is their great hero. With friends like Arafat, those people don't need enemies . . . but they seem damn determined to make enemies every chance they get. :o
HollyBaere
11-15-2004, 08:23 AM
All the fault of Israel, huh? Gee whiz, and what about the billions of dollars given to the PLO, from many countries in the world, to help the "Palenstinians"? Doesn't it bother you just the least little bit that there is absolutely not a thing to show for it? Not one damn thing? Surely a little of that could have been spent on a power generating plant, and on oil to run it. Or a hospital or two might have been built. Could have spent some of it to provide real educations for some of them. Your hero, Arafat, controlled every damn dime of it. But no, it all went to corruption or terror. All of it. Your accusations have no validity whatsoever. Arafat and crew pissed all the money away on themselves and terrorism and spent none of it on the people it was intended to help. But Arafat is their great hero. With friends like Arafat, those people don't need enemies . . . but they seem damn determined to make enemies every chance they get. :o
YES Larry it is ALL the fault of Israel!! ALL of it!! Since Israel and the IDF control EVERYTHING that goes in and out and EVERYTHING that goes on inside Palestine, it is their fault. Like it or not, that is the truth!
Billions of dollars?? Oh, you mean the one's that went right into Arial Sharon's bank account?? I did say the Israel controls EVERYTHING didn't I? Seeing that Arafat was held captive in his compound for the past 3 years, do you REALLY think that any of that money even made it to Palestine? Tell me, WHO prevented Arafat being buried in Jerusalem?? Israel has NO CLAIM over Jerusalem! It is an International religious captial, not supposed to be "owned" by any one nation. So where do they get the power to say who is buried there??
Anytime Palestinians even try to maintain or build something the IDF will find a way to destroy it. Gee....do you really think Arafat was living in the lap of luxury in his bombed out compound in Rahmalla?? You mean to tell me that you never paid any attetion to when the IDF raised homes and plowed over olive orchards and bombed buildings claiming that they were going after terrorists?? And what about Jenin?? The IDF went in and when they came the whole city was in rubble. Now are you going to tell me that the Palestinians did that to themselves??
Israel has made Palestine an open-air prison, with ALL of it's people living in the ruins it leaves behind!
EVERY word I tell you is the truth! Arafat has been held captive in his compound since November of 2001, so do you think at night when no one was looking, he snuck out and went wild on the town with all that money??
Israel's aim from the very begining was to eventually take ALL of the land, that is why Palestine was not given statehood along with Israel. And all the propaganda you want to believe about Palestine was made up by Israel. Why would they want you to think anything good about them? Do you really think with the Pro-Israel government we have in the U.S., we would be told anything good about Palestine?? Then I have some beach-front property to sell you in Nevada!
Have you ever heard of the term "Greater Israel"?? According to the Torah, the "savior" of the Jewish people will not come until this is achieved. Israel has made life for Palestine so misreable and impossible in the hopes that they would just move away, so they could claim the land for itself. Why has Palestine gotten so much smaller over the years if this weren't true?
Even Saddam, who held the money away from his people had palaces and riches that were obvious to everyone. So if we are to believe your "claim", where are all of Arafat's palaces and riches?? You've been fed a wad of crap a mile wide and managed for you to swallow every last hunk!!
As I said, unless you have gone there and seen the situation as it exsists, and not the "fairy tale" that Israel tells, then you are sadly and totally misinformed!
Maybe in your spare time you might do some research, as I did, and turn OFF yout T.V. set!!
Conservinator
11-15-2004, 02:31 PM
Hollybeast:
EVERY word I tell you is the truth!
Hollybeast before the last statement:
Unless you have been there and have seen how the Palestinians suffer due to the hands of their Israeli oppressors, you have NO CLUE as to what the truth actually is!
Yes, you do have to go there to know what is going on!! You do have to see for yourself what the Zionist media won't show us here. You could NEVER know the truth about this situation otherwise.
But then she admits THIS:
NO Connie.....I wasn't there myself, but my best friend was in October of 2001.
You yourself said that for people to know the real truth about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, they had to have been there. You also have admitted that you have never been there yourself, so...you could not possibly know what the truth is about the conflict, according to your own reasoning.
Look Voxo, did you even bother to read my reply to you, or did you only bother to look at just the one word?? See what I get for being honest with you.
Connie, as usual you are WRONG on BOTH counts!! Awwww... did I disappoint you??
I did not reply to you because I was giving you the befenit of the doubt. It is rather peculiar that the multitude of websites for your World Peace Monument are now completely offline:
world-peace-monument.org (http://world-peace-monument.org)
www.world-peace-monument.com (http://www.world-peace-monument.com)
www.wpmcc.biz (http://www.wpmcc.biz)
Even running them through Way Back yields nothing, which means someone intentially thought to clear them out. Best I can find is the occasional Google cache page.
You see, Holly, I cannot possibly take any of your words at face value, because you haves spewed pretty foul stuff around the internet. For all I now, this World Peace Monument was some kind of PAL plot to blow up important movers and shakers. But as I said, I was willing to say nothing since I see no evidence of anything, neither positive nor negative.
So there you go, I have commented on your post.
what do you have to say about the 3 world religions - "Christians, Islam and Jews" - can you admit that you misspoke?
Lazarus
11-15-2004, 02:58 PM
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....And so is this topic. ::)
HollyBaere
11-15-2004, 09:47 PM
I did not reply to you because I was giving you the befenit of the doubt. It is rather peculiar that the multitude of websites for your World Peace Monument are now completely offline:
world-peace-monument.org (http://world-peace-monument.org)
www.world-peace-monument.com (http://www.world-peace-monument.com)
www.wpmcc.biz (http://www.wpmcc.biz)
Even running them through Way Back yields nothing, which means someone intentially thought to clear them out. Best I can find is the occasional Google cache page.
You see, Holly, I cannot possibly take any of your words at face value, because you haves spewed pretty foul stuff around the internet. For all I now, this World Peace Monument was some kind of PAL plot to blow up important movers and shakers. But as I said, I was willing to say nothing since I see no evidence of anything, neither positive nor negative.
So there you go, I have commented on your post.
what do you have to say about the 3 world religions - "Christians, Islam and Jews" - can you admit that you misspoke?
Well, there ya go Voxo!! I knew I shouldn't have been so open with you. Believe me it was a mistake I won't be repeating.
Remember, I said the project was scrapped back in 2002 because Israel would not allow it to be in Jerusalem. Therefore, there would no longer be a website. Yup, I believe the person that created the idea for the monument cleared everything out. I was going to give his name, but why should I?? He is located in Zurich, Switzerland.
Oh MY!! Yes Almighty Voxo, I misspoke!! I even changed it, but did you bother to look??
So don't take anything I say at face value, it's YOUR loss. You asked the questions, I thought you at least deserved an answer. Do you REALLY think I made all that up? I can see being honest with you is a waste of my time.
Observer
11-15-2004, 11:47 PM
Voxo,
Does the name Sanderson Beck ring a bell?
Holly - I never said I thought you made it up. I simply couldn't confirm that it was a "righteous" cause.
No, I didn't look - why should I? You should have just apologized at that's it.
Observer - not at all. You've got my curiousity going so I'll look around.
A cursory google leads me to say "Heavens to Betsy - is this an alias of Archangel?
Observer
11-16-2004, 03:09 PM
Beck was with the World Peace Movement, not Monument... my error.
Observer
11-16-2004, 03:11 PM
is this an alias of Archangel?
;D
I had pretty much the same thought.
Well, there ya go Voxo!! I knew I shouldn't have been so open with you. Believe me it was a mistake I won't be repeating.
Remember, I said the project was scrapped back in 2002 because Israel would not allow it to be in Jerusalem. Therefore, there would no longer be a website. Yup, I believe the person that created the idea for the monument cleared everything out. I was going to give his name, but why should I?? He is located in Zurich, Switzerland.
Oh MY!! Yes Almighty Voxo, I misspoke!! I even changed it, but did you bother to look??
So don't take anything I say at face value, it's YOUR loss. You asked the questions, I thought you at least deserved an answer. Do you REALLY think I made all that up? I can see being honest with you is a waste of my time.
Holly, I also did quite a bit of research on your World Peace Monument yesterday when you posted it and, as Voxo did, discovered that the "World Peace Monument" is no longer available online. Must not have been a very popular movement, huh?
Why should you be believed on here? You've proven yourself to be a biased, slanted liar over and over again.
Thunder Bay
11-16-2004, 03:32 PM
This just in; Arafat no longer in coma. Holly will be thrilled to see his forth-coming blog, due on computer screens in time for the Hollydaze. ::) ;D
HollyBaere
11-16-2004, 08:54 PM
Holly, I also did quite a bit of research on your World Peace Monument yesterday when you posted it and, as Voxo did, discovered that the "World Peace Monument" is no longer available online. Must not have been a very popular movement, huh?
Why should you be believed on here? You've proven yourself to be a biased, slanted liar over and over again.
Yup, I guess peace isn't very popular these days, when you have a government in power that believe the answer to everything is...KILL KILL KILL!!
I am no more biased than you are, Badnews! Let me remind you once again....Just because I don't agree with YOUR slanted thinking, DOES NOT mean I am lying!!
Observer
11-16-2004, 10:21 PM
Just because I don't agree with YOUR slanted thinking, DOES NOT mean I am lying!!
Holly,
You seem to have a hard time differentiating between opinion and fact. Your opinions are no secret. The fact that use places like Stormfront and numerous other Neo-Nazi and blatantly racist sites as your main references makes it quite clear what your basic position is.
The United States has offered up tens of thousands of her sons and daughters as sacrifices to keep people like you from taking over the world. It will continue to do so. It must, if we are to remain true to our fundamental reason for existence as a nation.
The "facts" you post are very seldom facts at all. They are most often, the rantings and paranoid delusions of some very sick minds, the minds of the people who create and support the sites from which you gather your information.
Fortunately for all of us, you are a very small minority, both here and abroad. That however, does not mean you present no danger. Continue to try to spread your own particular brand of hatred. One of the greatest things about this nation is that even people like you are entitled to have your voice. Just remember, We know about you. We know what you are. This isn't Germany in the 1930s. We have learned much from that era in history, and one of the biggest lessons we learned, at great expense, is that we cannot ever wait until you are in a position of power before taking action to stop you.
Keep spouting your venomous lies. We'll keep laughing at you. But while we are laughing, we are also watching. You have no power here. You never will.
HollyBaere
11-17-2004, 02:07 PM
Holly,
You seem to have a hard time differentiating between opinion and fact. Your opinions are no secret. The fact that use places like Stormfront and numerous other Neo-Nazi and blatantly racist sites as your main references makes it quite clear what your basic position is.
The United States has offered up tens of thousands of her sons and daughters as sacrifices to keep people like you from taking over the world. It will continue to do so. It must, if we are to remain true to our fundamental reason for existence as a nation.
The "facts" you post are very seldom facts at all. They are most often, the rantings and paranoid delusions of some very sick minds, the minds of the people who create and support the sites from which you gather your information.
Fortunately for all of us, you are a very small minority, both here and abroad. That however, does not mean you present no danger. Continue to try to spread your own particular brand of hatred. One of the greatest things about this nation is that even people like you are entitled to have your voice. Just remember, We know about you. We know what you are. This isn't Germany in the 1930s. We have learned much from that era in history, and one of the biggest lessons we learned, at great expense, is that we cannot ever wait until you are in a position of power before taking action to stop you.
Keep spouting your venomous lies. We'll keep laughing at you. But while we are laughing, we are also watching. You have no power here. You never will.
Observer,
We were talking about a project called the World Peace Monument here. My FACTS came from FIRST HAND information NOT Stormfront or any other "Neo-Nazi" site! Just because the information no longer exsists on the internet doesn't mean it didn't happen. I have plenty of information still. Documents, pictures, and certainly my friend's experience of being in Palestine. He is still in the process of writing a book on the trip.
People like me taking over the world?? People like me that would rather reach the truth instead of believing incredible lies that are only proving to make this country AND IT'S PEOPLE more hated the world over?? People like YOU that believe that the ONLY WAY to handle who it doesn't like is to kill, are not setting the greatest example. People like YOU are acting just like the terrorists you claim to conquer.
What amazes me the most is that people like YOU stand behind a president and a government that thinks it can lie to and decieve it's people. A government that cares more about it's "agenda" than the people it represents. A country that now thinks that it can go around the world making other counties behave the way they want them to. And all you do is give those who hate us more reason to attack us!
People like YOU, who are far more racist than people like me would ever be! People like YOU who are easily tricked into thinking that a whole race of people are all terrorists, just to carry out the agenda of another group of people.
You are watching me?? Do you really think all of your threats have me scared?? Do you really think it will make me change my mind?? The FACT that you resort to threats make me even more certain I and people like ME are on the right track!
People like YOU have trashed this country's great reputation! Completely demolished what our fore-Fathers meant it to be!
Did it ever occur to you that the truth needs NO LAWS to make people believe it??
But, I guess in the end, God will be the true judge as to exactly who is right and who is wrong. GOD BLESS (SAVE) AMERICA!!
Observer
11-17-2004, 03:07 PM
You are watching me?? Do you really think all of your threats have me scared?? Do you really think it will make me change my mind?? The FACT that you resort to threats make me even more certain I and people like ME are on the right track!
Threats... there are no threats here Holly... just a simple statement of fact.
Since you have been here, you have presented not a single shred of credible evidence to support any of your allegations. All you have done is use this forum as a sounding board for your hate filled, racist and baseless accusations.
What do you think Stormfront is?